經驗分享：如何令仔女讀好書

huba

回復 shadeslayer 的帖子

Although I also see reading an important and beneficial activity for children, I would not challenge other parents' guts. Instead, I would say they have already made a conscious choice for the children based on their resources, constraints, preferences and beliefs.

shadeslayer

huba 發表於 12-12-18 00:54
回復 shadeslayer 的帖子

Although I also see reading an important and beneficial activity for childr ...

Yeah, everyday we make decisions based on our resources, constraints, preference, etc. That does not mean that all decisions are equal.  I don't think parents who put leisure reading to the last has the right information for the decision making.  I don't think they know a lot of exercises and tuition are NOT required for good English.  I have seen many many cases to support this.

I strongly believe prioritizing leisure reading to the last is a mistake, which many of the parents do everyday.  Reading should be at least ahead of English exercises, English tuition classes (in primary years at least) and even ahead of some of the English revision for dictation/test, etc, if you want the child to achieve English proficiency.  

Next time, when you see children having good English without any of the exercises and drilling, nor any tuition classes or long hours of revision, you know their parents have made good decisions.  Other parents who made "conscious" decisions have to keep asking what are the best exercises, the best teachers for tuition class and asking why their children do not like reading.

huba

回復 shadeslayer 的帖子

'Next time, when you see children having good English without any of the exercises and drilling, nor any tuition classes or long hours of revision, you know their parents have made good decisions.  Other parents who made "conscious" decisions have to keep asking what are the best exercises, the best teachers for tuition class and asking why their children do not like reading.'

Thanks for repeating your message. Yet, using extreme cases does not add weight to your belief. Reading and doing exercises can co-exist. Whether a kid needs more reading or more exercise, it's case by case and can be different even for twins.

Let's use a sharing attitude instead of forcing attitude to promote reading. It will benefit more parents.

huba

你覺得我在批評學習英文方法嗎？其實我有的也是—位好閱讀的孩子，我提出的是分享的方法和態度。

如果是真心去推廣學習方法，個人不認為這樣的我對你錯及不跟我這套就你死你事的態度語氣是有效的，反而會引起家長們的反感而抗拒。

坦明說，我有欣賞你早陣子的態度轉變，只可惜漸漸地你以往的風格本色又再重現。

我上來EK只為學習及分享，不為也不好爭辯。若閣下真的是某大行高層，那我預祝閣下的氣度及待人接物方面再上—層樓。

shadeslayer

Huba,

I am not saying reading cannot coexist with exercises.  Today many parents put say 80% time on exercise and tuition and revising English.  20% time on reading and other activities, reading being the lowest priority. I am simply suggesting parent start by swapping the priorities, eg 80% time reading, 20% exercises, tuition, revising and other activities. At least in primary years.  Soon you will find out very little or no exercises and tuition are required.

torunpoland

回復 huba 的帖子

I don't think huba is posing challenges to those who promote reading as the best way of learning English.
As to IPA, I think it's quite useless of kindergarten kids to learn, yet it yields wonderfully when it becomes an asset of Grade 2 or Grade 3 kids.

And I want to say it is a topic raised by joey126 who shares her ways. Others may take it as a reference if you find hers useful, or just leave it alone if not, but please don't challenge hers because her post name has already revealed what she wants to say - share.

If anyone thinks another approach a lot better, raise another thread, perhaps?

shadeslayer

This is a discussion forum and i thought anything is up for discussion.  Sharing is holy and cannot be criticized?  What makes you think that my messages are not sharing?  Do i enjoy immunity to criticism?

IPA is still pretty useless at grade 2 and 3. IS students have a much better exposure to native English speaker and with a good environment, students don't need IPA symbols in the dictionary to tell them how to pronounce correctly. With all the smart phones an online dictionaries, the importance of IPA is no where near it was before.

torunpoland

回復 shadeslayer 的帖子

Thanks for your sharing your views on IPA, to which, despite I can hardly agree.
I don't mean to criticize you, but invite anyone considering other approaches are better than those of joey126 to have a new thread.

shadeslayer

原帖由 torunpoland 於 12-12-18 發表
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Thanks for your sharing your views on IPA, to which, despite I can hardly a ...

I still don't understand why people should not have "opinion" on joey's method in the same thread.  As long as we are not off-topic, why not?  

On IPA, I have given my reason behind my belief above.  Phonics is taught in local and international schools, HK and elsewhere. Can you name some of the schools in HK that teach IPA as a compulsory topic to learn English?

HKTHK

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Is this based on research or your personal opinion?

HappiMom

其實只想繼續看及期待Jeoy126的分享，其他爭論請另開一條題，可以嗎？

HappiMom

都唔明宜家EK 好端端一個分享都會鬧交，真心分享咪自己開條題，好多人自然會走入去睇，如果真係對joey126某d方法唔認同，可以係自己條thread提醒大家，這叫分享。係哩條題到不斷來來去去爭論，叫鬧交。

I actually seldom respond to this kind og argument but yhis time i mudt say something.  It is because i really like the way joey do her sharing.  

Frankly i don't agree her point of putting leisure reading to the last but at least it reminds parents that we have to use some control measures to confine the leisure books the kids are exposed to. This is about striking a balance.

HappiMom

Jeoy126, pls continue with your sharing! I can't wait to learn more!

Jane1983

HappiMom 發表於 12-12-18 23:25
Jeoy126, pls continue with your sharing! I can't wait to learn more!

有些家長可能喜歡「真理越辯越明」的討論方式，但真係吾係人人鍾意。

既然大家想聽樓主分享心得，不如就重回正軌啦！

S-Kwok

讚同，我都好期待joey的分享，其實joey只係分享他的心得，意見啫。

hapiBettyL

支持joey繼續分享！

ysnmama

樓主很用心分享她的經驗. 一寫便很多字. 實在難得. 其他家長雖然也想分享. 但往往最後卻變成罵戰.

muimui812

我雖然日日都上來期待jeoy126的分享，我自己都係第一次回應這條thread，我都好想繼續看jeoy126的分享。

雖然我不是完全同意她某些方法，但也很有參考價值，自己再因應自己的情況和想法去調較就是了。如果覺得對某些事要再深入討論，就開另一條thread好嗎？