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作者: melobi12 時間: 22-9-20 09:23 標題: 有得學French嘅IS

請問除左FIS，仲有邊啲學校係中學時有比較進階嘅法文學（而唔係由零開始）？

作者: mandy_ng207 時間: 22-9-20 09:35

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Kellett School?

作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 22-9-20 11:39

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Harrow. Up to A level.

作者: melobi12 時間: 22-9-20 20:24

似乎都係英制學校先有機會。兩間學校都係小學開始學？知唔知係咪會考igcse French (first language / second language)?

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作者: sxd 時間: 22-9-20 20:46

cis有法文同西班牙文

作者: bbandww 時間: 22-9-20 22:09

melobi12 發表於 22-9-20 09:23
請問除左FIS，仲有邊啲學校係中學時有比較進階嘅法文學（而唔係由零開始）？
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其实要睇你小朋友到中學時French是什么程度，如是學了比較短的時間，由零开始更可把基礎打好。當然如已到達A2程度就不應從零开始。但這樣要找到法文程度高的Y7中學，可能是没有的。

作者: snowlaw 時間: 22-9-21 07:56 標題: 回覆樓主：

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CDNIS有法文
因法文是加拿大另一個法定語言

作者: 964000 時間: 22-9-21 08:31

如果樓主自細學french去到Y7巳有A2 level想keep, 可能真係FIS先得，或自己出面學, 其他好多IS Y7雖然有french, 但的學生多數高小或Y7先開始，要就佢哋level, 唔知夠唔夠人開到再高stream.
我朋友自幼稚園自己學french, 入了GSIS Y7選了french(好似已經入了高D的stream) 佢都覺得太淺，之後索性轉返中文，繼續出面學french.
一般Y7先開始學都夠考IGCSE french.

作者: kaplanmeier 時間: 22-9-21 11:39

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Too many years ago, don't remember whether there were (and don't know whether there are) French+Spanish classes in Yr1-Yr5 at Harrow. From Yr6 (Secondary School starts from Yr6 at Harrow), students have to opt for either French or Spanish but not both. Yr10, have to confirm which i/GCSE subjects to sit. For French, they will sit Edexcel iGCSE, which unlike Chinese, does not have the first language/second lanuage option. Then they can choose French in GCE A-level.

I think iGCSE French is not very advanced.

In the UK, universities do not require any qualification in a second language for admissions in general (of course, unless e.g. you want to major in a foreign language), because this would cause unfairness to some underprivileged groups, and often do not count a language subject at A-level as one A-level if that language is your mother-tongue.

You probably have to check FIS, CDNIS or GSIS, where they have to meet the need of the French-speaking people from their own countries.

作者: melobi12 時間: 22-9-21 13:10

964000 發表於 22-9-21 08:31
如果樓主自細學french去到Y7巳有A2 level想keep, 可能真係FIS先得，或自己出面學, 其他好多IS Y7雖然有fren ...

正是。完成year 6 應該目標係有A2 level。但FIS 中學地點實在係非常遠… 想睇睇有冇其他options。

不過老實講我唔知A2實際係咩程度，如果到時唔學French （打左個底，之後有興趣再自己進修吧），或者轉學Spanish？

作者: melobi12 時間: 22-9-21 13:15

kaplanmeier 發表於 22-9-21 11:39
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Too many years ago, don't remember whether there were (and don't know whether ...

Thank you for the information.

It seems like moving closer to the secondary school might be our only option then

作者: mandy_ng207 時間: 22-9-21 13:21

melobi12 發表於 22-9-21 13:10
正是。完成year 6 應該目標係有A2 level。但FIS 中學地點實在係非常遠… 想睇睇有冇其他options。

不過老 ...

Spanish其實去英國讀中學有冇用㗎？我仔之前在學校學咗一年，佢有興趣，所以我比佢去私人班繼續，但係諗到要讀到year 9，都真係有排喎⋯⋯其實值唔值得繼續讀？

作者: bbandww 時間: 22-9-21 13:53

melobi12 發表於 22-9-21 13:10
正是。完成year 6 應該目標係有A2 level。但FIS 中學地點實在係非常遠… 想睇睇有冇其他options。

不過老 ...

The French DELF A2 exam has three levels (Prim, Junior and Adult). Passed the junior level is about Edexcel IGCSE grade 5/6, and B1 is about grade 8/9. The Prim A2 is very basic which might low than the Junior A1.

作者: 964000 時間: 22-9-21 14:43

melobi12 發表於 22-9-21 13:10
正是。完成year 6 應該目標係有A2 level。但FIS 中學地點實在係非常遠… 想睇睇有冇其他options。

不過老 ...

一般A2level等如小學程度，IGCSE 外語約A2-B1 level. IB Lang B要求高些可去到B2.Lang A 就C1-2(proficient)
一般語言要夠工作水平通常起碼B2或以上。其實我識不少外國人有時傾開會話以前考過IGCSE french /German等，不過而家都差唔多唔記得哂

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作者: melobi12 時間: 22-9-21 15:44

bbandww 發表於 22-9-21 13:53
The French DELF A2 exam has three levels (Prim, Junior and Adult). Passed the junior level is about ...

Hmm… I am no expert in this area but from what I have read, the standards of the same level (e.g. A2) in different DELF “versions” (prim, junior, adult) should be the same…?

The only difference is that the topics they use in different versions are different (more age appropriate)?

But thank you for bringing all these terms and exams up! I have absolutely no clue about IGCSE levels yet so I will have to do my research on that now (never thought I would have to start looking into that when my kid is not even 6 yet

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作者: melobi12 時間: 22-9-21 15:53

964000 發表於 22-9-21 14:43
一般A2level等如小學程度，IGCSE 外語約A2-B1 level. IB Lang B要求高些可去到B2.Lang A 就C1-2(proficien ...

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明白明白，IB呢個表好有用。我啱啱都開始揾緊CEFR 同igcse/IB level 對照… 我本身連IB language A/B HL/SL都未搞得清，頭都暈。我都冇諗過可以用英文嚟比較，一路執著喺揾法文。其實CEFR都幾好，可以對照晒唔同language嘅程度。

係呀，language 唔用就唔記得。我大學時都密集地日日上日文堂上左2年，當時都有一定程度，但而家我連介紹自己都有啲驚

作者: dem0cracy 時間: 22-9-21 15:55

bbandww 發表於 22-9-21 13:53
The French DELF A2 exam has three levels (Prim, Junior and Adult). Passed the junior level is about ...

I think the language levels are supposedly the same for DELF Prim A2, DELF Junior A2, and DELF for adults A2. It's just that the topics in the Prim and Junior versions are adapted to primary school kids and teenagers. A1, A2, etc are levels mapped to CEFR framework as mentioned in the above post.

作者: dem0cracy 時間: 22-9-21 16:11

其實大人去Alliance Francais學一年都可以去到A2 level，但佢地細細開始學，仲要FIS有語境，係唔同境界的。

作者: 964000 時間: 22-9-21 16:22

dem0cracy 發表於 22-9-21 16:11
其實大人去Alliance Francais學一年都可以去到A2 level，但佢地細細開始學，仲要FIS有語境，係唔同境界的。 ...

一般大人學一個外語，估計需投入約150小時可達到A2, 讀寫還可以（靠記），但冇語境聽講真係好難。你講得啱從小有語境真係唔同境界，淨係個發音大個先學巳經冇可能學到。

作者: bbandww 時間: 22-9-21 16:31

dem0cracy 發表於 22-9-21 15:55
I think the language levels are supposedly the same for DELF Prim A2, DELF Junior A2, and DELF for ...

My son took both Prim and Junion A2. The Delf official said that the three versions have the same standards mapped to CEFR but for different ages. Although all versions learn the same grammar structure, the contents, listening and speaking skills have big gaps between Prim and Junior versions as well as exam techniques. The certs are the same and you can't distinguish which version from the cert.

作者: beastiebistro 時間: 22-9-21 18:07

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有用。基本上去英國讀書，MFL（Modern Foreign Language）係必修。最popular始終都係法文，不過都有好多人揀德文或者西班牙文。除非連英文都搞唔掂，否則多數都expect個學生讀一樣MFL到考埋GCSE。

作者: Poyau 時間: 22-9-21 19:58

melobi12 發表於 22-9-21 15:44
Hmm… I am no expert in this area but from what I have read, the standards of the same level (e.g. ...

GCSE to CEFR mapping for Spanish, German and French

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/inter-subject-comparability-in-gcses

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/844034/Investigating_standards_in_GCSE_French__German_and_Spanish_through_the_lens_of_the_CEFR.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/844035/Investigating_standards_in_GCSE_French__German_and_Spanish_through_the_lens_of_the_CEFR_-_Appendices.pdf

作者: Poyau 時間: 22-9-21 20:18

mandy_ng207 發表於 22-9-21 13:21
Spanish其實去英國讀中學有冇用㗎？我仔之前在學校學咗一年，佢有興趣，所以我比佢去私人班繼續，但係諗到 ...

GCSE Spanish 受歡迎程度向上
2022年考生人數差不多追上 French

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/provisional-entries-for-gcse-as-and-a-level-summer-2022-exam-series

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/provisional-entries-for-gcse-as-and-a-level-summer-2022-exam-series/provisional-entries-for-gcse-as-and-a-level-summer-2022-exam-series

作者: 964000 時間: 22-9-22 10:49

mandy_ng207 發表於 22-9-21 13:21
Spanish其實去英國讀中學有冇用㗎？我仔之前在學校學咗一年，佢有興趣，所以我比佢去私人班繼續，但係諗到 ...

有興趣就繼續學，如果可以堅持，到準備GCSE時呢科應該會較輕鬆，我仲聽過有些高level的學生會早兩年便考外語GCSE。不過我也有朋友的boarding school沒有Spanish要自修考（都好top, 可能少數）
另外有朋友本身在IS, 幼稚園開始已自己學french, Y9過英國boarding,今年考GCSE也得了9分，他說很少華人拿到9（A*最高級別）。

作者: mandy_ng207 時間: 22-9-22 10:56

964000 發表於 22-9-22 10:49
有興趣就繼續學，如果可以堅持，到準備GCSE時呢科應該會較輕鬆，我仲聽過有些高level的學生會早兩年便考外 ...

多謝鼓勵，但我屋企冇語境，而家連學校都冇，我真係好懷疑啲錢會唔會倒落個鹹水海

如果有機會Y9讀返，咁都值得去學下。

作者: beastiebistro 時間: 22-9-22 11:53

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其實我相信絕大部份香港家庭都唔會有外語語境。如果想plan小朋友去英國讀寄宿學校，更加應該俾佢持續學外語（可以參考我日誌）。

我自己就由細plan咗小朋友去英國讀寄宿學校，所以由小一起就俾佢哋喺街外學法文。只不過一個星期一堂，非常輕鬆但持之以恆。到我嘅小朋友去到英國入Y9銜接冇問題，而且程度都有返咁上下，考GCSE絕對冇問題。

雖然法文始終係英國寄宿學校MFL主流，但係德文同西班牙文近年都非常多人揀，我相信大部份學校應該都有得選擇。我仔同女（分別唔同學校）Y9係必修「兩科」MFL添！我仔係揀法／德而女就係法／西，所以大部份學校都有得繼續讀西班牙文起碼至GCSE level。

我認為如果你小朋友有興趣學，絕對應該俾佢繼續，遲啲去英國讀書一啲都唔會嘥。

作者: 964000 時間: 22-9-22 12:33

mandy_ng207 發表於 22-9-22 10:56
多謝鼓勵，但我屋企冇語境，而家連學校都冇，我真係好懷疑啲錢會唔會倒落個鹹水海如果有機會Y9讀 ...

其實多數就算當地人都冇語境，去到MFL也會分stream, 家有語境多會入native stream.
如果你持續學唔會扔落咸水海嘅，萬一學二三年唔學，細個開始發音都會好D（尤其Spanish 個D震脷聲），而且將來pickup 返相信會有D印象。
我小朋友細個都playgroup形式學過兩年法文, 之後因為學校要學另一外語所以停了，但女現在仍發到法文那些好奇怪嘅發音，同一些日常用單字和number個D都仲記得，細個同大個學習語言個機制唔同，如果有時問接觸下都無壞。

作者: melobi12 時間: 22-9-22 15:30

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自己學好叻! 唔知一星期要花幾多時間上堂呢?

作者: melobi12 時間: 22-9-22 15:34

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贊成。細個接觸左，大個想pick up 返都易啲。發音呢啲真係大個學唔到。

作者: 964000 時間: 22-9-22 15:44

melobi12 發表於 22-9-22 15:30
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自己學好叻! 唔知一星期要花幾多時間上堂呢?

佢在法國文化協會學的，我估一星期一堂？
另外一個也是讀開IS, 自幼開始一星期兩堂私補法文，GCSE french也是A*, 佢仲打算A level考French.
不過以上兩個小朋友都係幼稚園已開始學，都係自己對法文有興趣自己想繼續學。

作者: Apple_Orange_T 時間: 22-10-22 09:49

melobi12 發表於 22-9-21 13:10
正是。完成year 6 應該目標係有A2 level。但FIS 中學地點實在係非常遠… 想睇睇有冇其他options。

不過老 ...

不好意思想問吓其他嘢，請問讀完法文，有少少基礎，再讀西班牙文，係唔係容易啲，比較容易上手呢？

作者: beastiebistro 時間: 22-10-22 18:12

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Apple_Orange_T 發表於 22-10-22 09:49
不好意思想問吓其他嘢，請問讀完法文，有少少基礎，再讀西班牙文，係唔係容易啲，比較容易上手呢？
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會。兩樣都係由拉丁文演變而嚟，所以vocabulary同grammar都有唔少相近嘅地方。一般認為法問略略難少少，所以學法文先更有助學西班牙文。

作者: Apple_Orange_T 時間: 22-10-23 08:25

beastiebistro 發表於 22-10-22 18:12
會。兩樣都係由拉丁文演變而嚟，所以vocabulary同grammar都有唔少相近嘅地方。一般認為法問略略難少少，所 ...

謝謝回覆

而家就調返轉，想讀了幾年法文去讀西班牙文

作者: beastiebistro 時間: 22-10-23 08:30

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Apple_Orange_T 發表於 22-10-23 08:25
謝謝回覆
而家就調返轉，想讀了幾年法文去讀西班牙文

係呀，我就係話學咗法文先再學西班牙文會更容易。我自己個女都係咁，非常容易pick-up 。

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