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作者: 慢咪咪    時間: 21-3-13 16:11     標題: 大學入學要求 ATAR vs IELTS

見到澳大很多科目以 ATAR ENGISH 或 ENGLISH additional language C 可以入讀, 但同一科目對應 IELTS 就要 6 或 7分 (好似= B 或 A), 若小朋友考慮升讀澳大, 糸咪早D入去讀中學以 ATAR 容易入D?
作者: PBTC    時間: 21-3-15 19:45

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ATAR绝对是王道, 每个hk kids 来读我孩子中学读都是得到AGrade in their English As a 2nd Language Subj. . My own kids have to do local English Studies, 反以得B+。🙄
作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-15 22:05

ielts 6/7唔難啫。
作者: 洋蔥頭媽咪    時間: 21-3-15 23:59

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-15 22:05
ielts 6/7唔難啫。

如果讀大學 IELTS 連6都冇就真係好差喎

作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-16 00:20

洋蔥頭媽咪 發表於 21-3-15 23:59
如果讀大學 IELTS 連6都冇就真係好差喎
其實大学收生ielts係咪最低起碼要6.5或以上?
作者: 洋蔥頭媽咪    時間: 21-3-16 08:04

本帖最後由 洋蔥頭媽咪 於 21-3-16 08:04 編輯
Yanamami 發表於 21-3-16 00:20
其實大学收生ielts係咪最低起碼要6.5或以上?

最少啦,DSE 英文4 對照 Ielts约 6.3-6.5,外國好啲大學多數 要求6.5以上,6算係好弱好弱。
作者: 洋蔥頭媽咪    時間: 21-3-16 08:22

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-16 00:20
其實大学收生ielts係咪最低起碼要6.5或以上?

印象中睇過一编報導講全港大學生英語能力统計,三大學生平均可達 IELTS 6.5或以上,港大學生英語能力較強,排名越後嘅大學學生英語能力就越差,有部份低於6得5點幾,即係DSE 所謂英文成绩達 3就入大學,所以亦能明白點解現今世代大學畢業生英語能力可以咁差。



作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-16 10:57

想請教一下,係香港讀local school ,如果Year 11先去讀書,HSC 嘅英文(Eng Standard/Eng Advanced)可以應付到嗎?
作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-16 12:09

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-16 10:57
想請教一下,係香港讀local school ,如果Year 11先去讀書,HSC 嘅英文(Eng Standard/Eng Advanced)可以應 ...
果边英文,你用香港DSE中文科要求咁去諗就可以想像到,佢地用著作去考,唔係考usage, 咁如果習慣寫文,好似答Eng Lit咁形式咪应付到。不过应付到同高分係两回事。
作者: Poyau    時間: 21-3-16 12:32

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-16 00:20
其實大学收生ielts係咪最低起碼要6.5或以上?

據IELTS Asia網頁
澳洲基本上要6.5 Melb要7.0
本地八大 五間要6.5 3間要6.0

https://www.ieltsasia.org/hk/study-in-australia/required-score

https://www.ieltsasia.org/hk/study-in-hongkong/required-score

作者: Poyau    時間: 21-3-16 14:12

洋蔥頭媽咪 發表於 21-3-16 08:22
印象中睇過一编報導講全港大學生英語能力统計,三大學生平均可達 IELTS 6.5或以上,港大學生英語能力較強 ...

UGC資助學位畢業生IELTS成績
港大歴次皆為最佳 中大/科大隨後

以下為2013/14年度最後一次成績

院校 IELTS → DSE
港大 7.22 → 5*
中大 6.98 → 5
科大 6.86 → 5
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三大 7.03 → 5
理大 6.61 → 4
城大 6.49 → 4
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五大 6.82 → 5
浸大 6.66 → 4
嶺大 6.45 → 4
教大 6.29 → ~4
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八大 6.76 → ~5

https://www.ugc.edu.hk/big5/ugc/about/press_speech_other/press/2014/pr26092014.html

https://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/en/recognition/benchmarking/hkdse/ielts/



作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-17 09:02

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-16 12:09
果边英文,你用香港DSE中文科要求咁去諗就可以想像到,佢地用著作去考,唔係考usage, 咁如果習慣寫文,好似 ...
謝謝解答,其實就係擔心佢只係用DSE 英文程度黎讀HSC 英文會跟唔上。最重要係一去到就Y11 冇時間慢慢適應。
咁大學入學HSC英文成績要求有冇話min Band? 我睇好似只有寫ATAR 分數,無特別講英文科要求,謝謝。



作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-17 09:30

本帖最後由 Yanamami 於 21-3-17 09:31 編輯
bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-17 09:02
謝謝解答,其實就係擔心佢只係用DSE 英文程度黎讀HSC 英文會跟唔上。最重要係一去到就Y11 冇時間慢慢適應。 ...

大学好似只睇ATAR分,有尐学科無Preferred / Prerequisites,有尐或要有advanced English....即如果人你只首ESL就免問。我女係中四去讀Yr10, 無跳Yr11就係想俾時间佢习慣下英文。佢本身係香港都唔差,去到同鬼妹一齐自然差一截,跟得上,但唔慌会高分。
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-17 09:58

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-17 09:30
大学好似只睇ATAR分,有尐学科無Preferred / Prerequisites,有尐或要有advanced English....即如果人你只 ...
我都唔想佢直入Y11, 原本想佢7月過去插Y10適應下,耐何今年都冇機會入到境
佢英文唔係特別好, 上年年尾考過IELTS overall雖然有7.5但writing 果part 都係得6,所以擔心。

唔知入讀澳洲大學,如果HSC English考得唔好,可唔可以用IELTS 成績搭夠?我諗IELTS操下都唔難攞高分掛。

作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-17 10:39

本帖最後由 Yanamami 於 21-3-17 10:40 編輯
bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-17 09:58
我都唔想佢直入Y11, 原本想佢7月過去插Y10適應下,耐何今年都冇機會入到境
佢英文唔係特別好,  ...

咁又唔知HSC可否用Ielts搭夠,我大女考DSE就用Ielts搭夠。只不过Ielts成績只原keep两年,你女到考大学時可能已过期?
作者: 洋蔥頭媽咪    時間: 21-3-17 11:12

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-17 10:39
咁又唔知HSC可否用Ielts搭夠,我大女考DSE就用Ielts搭夠。只不过Ielts成績只原keep两年,你女到考大学時可 ...
係啦,我都唔太明點解 IELTS 試成績只係 keep 得2年咁短,而且考試费用都唔平。
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-17 11:13

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-17 10:39
咁又唔知HSC可否用Ielts搭夠,我大女考DSE就用Ielts搭夠。只不过Ielts成績只原keep两年,你女到考大学時可 ...
原來我冇講,我果個係仔
我知IELTS係只睇兩年內成績, 上年年尾考係想比佢試下,同埋當時唔知考中學會唔會睇埋英文能力所以考定先。

我係諗住叫佢下年年尾再考多次IELTS,以備不時之需。

作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-17 11:41

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-17 11:13
原來我冇講,我果個係仔
我知IELTS係只睇兩年內成績, 上年年尾考係想比佢試下,同埋當時唔知考中學會唔會 ...
咁train下寫作果part先。
作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-17 11:47

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-17 11:13
原來我冇講,我果個係仔
我知IELTS係只睇兩年內成績, 上年年尾考係想比佢試下,同埋當時唔知考中學會唔會 ...
其实大学心儀咩学系?望下果科英文有無乜特別要求,如果無咁咪揀普通英文班唔好揀English Advanced咪易尐。入大学都係主要睇ATAR总分,又唔似DSE咁有最低门檻33222咁。
作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-17 11:48

洋蔥頭媽咪 發表於 21-3-17 11:12
係啦,我都唔太明點解 IELTS 試成績只係 keep 得2年咁短,而且考試费用都唔平。 ...
就係要賺考試費
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-17 18:17

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-17 11:47
其实大学心儀咩学系?望下果科英文有無乜特別要求,如果無咁咪揀普通英文班唔好揀English Advanced咪易尐。 ...
問過佢又講唔出想讀咩科, 我有提過澳洲 熱門讀health care 例如physiotherapy 果喲佢又好似唔抗拒, 不過佢唔係數學人就一定唔會讀Engineering/Computer science 喇.
我見Sydney U 大部分 Course 嘅  Eng Language requirement 係 record of satisfactory achievement in a completed and recognised secondary education (high school) qualification, 咁 HSC 嘅英文科係點為之 not satisfactory (below band 3?)

作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-17 19:23

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-17 18:17
問過佢又講唔出想讀咩科, 我有提過澳洲 熱門讀health care 例如physiotherapy 果喲佢又好似唔抗拒, 不過佢 ...
Physio係medi以外其中一科要超高分既科,有信心嗎?要有Physics, Chem同Maths呢。
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-18 11:06

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-17 19:23
Physio係medi以外其中一科要超高分既科,有信心嗎?要有Physics, Chem同Maths呢。

我仲諗澳洲physio學位比較多會比香港易少少入添

我上大學網只睇到ATAR/ENG嘅要求, 冇話有其他必修科目,請問可以係邊度搵到?

作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-18 12:17

本帖最後由 Yanamami 於 21-3-18 12:19 編輯
bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-18 11:06
我仲諗澳洲physio學位比較多會比香港易少少入添

我上大學網只睇到ATAR/ENG嘅要求, 冇話有其他必修科目,請 ...

我係阿女櫃上揾到SydneyU 2018本Guide Book入面有各科入學要求(Assumed knowledge: Phy&Chem, Recommended studies: Maths)。你仔係int'l student定citizen'? 當年Physio收生要求個ATAR同IB分亦有分別:ATAR97, IB39/ ATAR99, IB42. Intel student已比本地學生易。做個參考,我估今明兩年唔會有太大差別啩……或者其他U要求唔一樣?
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-18 18:20

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-18 12:17
我係阿女櫃上揾到SydneyU 2018本Guide Book入面有各科入學要求(Assumed knowledge: Phy&Chem, Recommende ...
Thx 等我試下網上搵有冇呢本guide book 先
佢會用international student 身分申請大學,我都有睇過international student 嘅entry requirement 係低少少, 所以先諗physio係咪可以考慮(雖然我唔知HSC同DSE難度有幾大嘅分別)

作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-18 19:00

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-18 18:20
Thx 等我試下網上搵有冇呢本guide book 先
佢會用international student 身分申請大學,我都有睇過internat ...
睇其他帖,要季慮埋placement問題?唔知int'l student句local有無差別?
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-19 18:02

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-18 19:00
睇其他帖,要季慮埋placement問題?唔知int'l student句local有無差別?
謝謝提醒,呢樣都係要考慮嘅因素,唔知如果澳洲冇placement可唔可以去其他國家(英國/加拿大)實習?
作者: Activehealth    時間: 21-3-19 19:33

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-19 18:02
謝謝提醒,呢樣都係要考慮嘅因素,唔知如果澳洲冇placement可唔可以去其他國家(英國/加拿大)實習?:questio ...

本帖最後由 Activehealth 於 21-3-19 19:39 編輯

我係N年前U Syd Physio 畢業生,讀果時係International student (澳洲讀中學), 畢咗業先移民在當地工作,現在港工作。

可以答你international student 如果收得入U Syd Physio, 一定會包埋placement.

因為Physio 4年課程內已包咗1040 hours of mandatory work component (
clinical placement). 即成功完成4年Physio 已可註冊成澳洲物理治療師,不用畢業後一年實習。

Clinical placement local 同international students 完全一樣,醫院等醫療機構根本唔會知(亦唔會理)邊個international/local. That means 如果英文唔好,出到clinical 溝通唔到即死,international 唔會有情講!

澳洲Physio 跟加拿大/英國不同,實習只可以在澳洲做。


作者: MaMaHH    時間: 21-3-19 23:03

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My child had finished yr 11, 12 in the high school of Australia and applied for the uni with local ATAR. In my experience, if your child aims to apply for healthcare related subjects in Australia, I would highly recommend your child to take exam in HK and apply for uni in the international student queue. Also find help from HK education agents to apply.
It was nightmare to me in helping my child apply for uni as all the five states have their different rules to handle applications of international students located in Australia. Some uni even cannot accept international students who take English as a second language for healthcare related subjects if they took Australian exam.  If possible, your child should take IELTs exam regardless of where he/she finishes high school.

作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-19 23:13

Activehealth 發表於 21-3-19 19:33
本帖最後由 Activehealth 於 21-3-19 19:39 編輯

我係N年前U Syd Physio 畢業生,讀果時係Internationa ...
謝謝你解釋,咁即係入到u就唔駛擔心placement嘅問題
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-19 23:36

MaMaHH 發表於 21-3-19 23:03
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My child had finished yr 11, 12 in the high school of Australia and applied for  ...
I read from the UAC website that international students can apply for uni through UAC if they complete an Australian Y12 in or outside Aus, do you mean the healthcare related subjects are excluded from application thro UAC?


作者: PBTC    時間: 21-3-20 15:45     標題: 回覆樓主:

My Kids ' school is an IB school in Adelaide, It advised HK students to do  on campus  bridging course 除非是从小到大都读国际学校, even band 1 hk students 都是要去newly arrivals class  5 to 10 Weeks. Just to make sure they can understand what their subject requirements. Only government schools here are still doing a kind of swim or sink practice.

作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-3-20 16:13

本帖最後由 Yanamami 於 21-3-20 20:07 編輯
bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-19 23:36
I read from the UAC website that international students can apply for uni through UAC if they comple ...

我諗因為佢孩子中學讀Eng as a second language而申請health care subjects先有困難。以Speech Pathology 為例,要Eng Advance, 連Eng Standard都未必得,更可况as a 2nd lang?
作者: MaMaHH    時間: 21-3-20 16:38

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It is quite complicated! First you have to bear in mind different uni have different selection process for international students.
There are on-shore and off-shore international students applying for uni in Australia. It depends on the policy of the uni whether the application of international students should be submitted directly to the uni or the local application system like UAC for NSW state. You have to check clearly beforehand because the application deadlines and selection processes can be different. Say if you child is an onshore international students, taking Australian local exam, mostly likely he/she will follow the application process and schedule applicable to local students, and possibly also the ATAR requirements set for local students.

For Healthcare (professional) subjects, the uni call them "quota programs", which means the places are limited by the government and a rigid quota is set for local students and international students respectively. The requirement on English standard is very high because the students are supposed to communicate with local citizens without any problems in verbal and non-verbal formats during placement period before they can graduate successfully. To play safe, your child should better take the IELT exam as well in case his/her score in English subject cannot be competitive enough.

作者: MaMaHH    時間: 21-3-20 16:44

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You are correct.  I would say we made a big mistake when we chose the subjects in Yr 11. We just considered the potential score of a higher ATAR which can fulfil the ATAR requirements for the uni program, but did not know there are some specific requirements on the language. Even we did not know the standard is also applicable to international students who are taking local exam, which is much higher than the standards for offshore international students.
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-22 15:20

Yanamami 發表於 21-3-20 16:13
我諗因為佢孩子中學讀Eng as a second language而申請health care subjects先有困難。以Speech Pathology  ...
Eng Advanced 鬼仔讀就冇問題,但我個仔呢啲咁大先過去仲要唔係讀開國際學校嘅學生,我諗Eng standard都已經係掹車邊
不過果邊啲人教揀科話要揀難啲嘅Eng Advanced都唔好揀易啲嘅Eng standard, 因為scaling 問題就算Standard 攞高分最後都可能低分過Advanced, 應真複雜!

作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-22 15:22

MaMaHH 發表於 21-3-20 16:38
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It is quite complicated! First you have to bear in mind different uni have  ...
Thanks for your advice, I also plan my boy to take IELTS as a back up for uni English requirement
作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-3-22 15:28

MaMaHH 發表於 21-3-20 16:44
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You are correct.  I would say we made a big mistake when we chose the subjects ...
could your boy take his preferred subject at uni at last?
作者: ystaihk    時間: 21-6-6 12:38

女兒是澳洲citizen,在英國剛剛讀完中學A level回港隔離,成績會8月先出。
佢咁嘅情況(海外讀完中學,用local身份申請大學),申請Sydney U和Melbourne U,用的是本地ATAR分數嗎?... 還是用海外分數呢?

佢讀Eng Lit、History和Math,外加一個EPQ。

讀Eng Lit應該可以豁免Eelts吧?

作者: Yanamami    時間: 21-6-6 17:44

本帖最後由 Yanamami 於 21-6-6 17:45 編輯
ystaihk 發表於 21-6-6 12:38
女兒是澳洲citizen,在英國剛剛讀完中學A level回港隔離,成績會8月先出。
佢咁嘅情況(海外讀完中學,用lo ...

無係澳洲考入大學試(Eg HSC),唔會有ATAR分,海外都係用其他試成績申請。DSE, IB, GCE都接受。
作者: jcy    時間: 21-6-7 21:39

bowlinghead 發表於 21-3-17 09:58
我都唔想佢直入Y11, 原本想佢7月過去插Y10適應下,耐何今年都冇機會入到境
佢英文唔係特別好,  ...

呢個問題我今日啱啱先問完我個agent,我女今年yr11,考左2次校內試大部份科都考得好有90%,得科英文麻麻地60%,agent建議佢考埋ielts,如果atar計完出黎唔夠好就可以搭份ielts 上去試下,不過我都仲消化緊佢呢段建議

作者: bowlinghead    時間: 21-6-8 08:58

jcy 發表於 21-6-7 21:39
呢個問題我今日啱啱先問完我個agent,我女今年yr11,考左2次校內試大部份科都考得好有90%,得科英文麻麻地 ...
請問你女女係幾年級過去? 同埋佢係讀Eng Standard 定 Eng Advanced?
如果佢其他科都考得好,其實可能英文都唔差,只不過未掌握到英文科嘅要求.

我覺得正如agent建議,考定IELTS 冇壞,因為IELTS有得操又可以考幾次,當買定個保險





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