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作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-8-31 16:22 標題: ESF Application of K1

我想問下ESF 係non-selective school. 咁即係任何人都可以apply完電腦抽random number, 定係佢地都會screen過下d application form, filter下先?
Thanks.

作者: wg_ann 時間: 20-8-31 18:30 標題: 回覆樓主:

pass左assessment就係以random number 決定取錄次序

作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 20-8-31 21:03

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Play visits will be offered to those with priority first (staff, siblings, alumni etc). Then remaining play visits will be offered by random number as not all will be seen. Foreign passports also have priority. Other than these, I dont think they have any other form of screening application forms.

作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-9-1 10:24

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So apart from priority, those who get invited for play visit were only based on random number?They don't even screen the applications before they do the lucky draw?

難聽D講, 阿豬阿狗but have good random number can be get invited? but those who are elite will be rejected with bad random number?

作者: gavroche915 時間: 20-9-1 10:45

Falcon媽媽發表於 20-9-1 10:24
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So apart from priority, those who get invited for play visit were only base ...

Please define "阿豬阿狗" and "elite" and advise how one can determine the so called "elite" from the "阿豬阿狗" based on the application?

作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 20-9-1 10:51

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That's correct as they are non-selective as you have mentioned. There is no such thing as elite or not.

作者: nganchi176 時間: 20-9-1 11:22

(emoji) esf emphasizes Non Selective. so this is not the rule u agree, maybe u should not apply?

作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 20-9-1 11:55

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Oh and also wanted to add, those with an unlucky random number are not rejected, just waitlisted until a spot becomes available.

作者: jylo666 時間: 20-9-1 12:43

May I ask if I have UK passport, but both my wife and my son do not have that, can my son still get into the priority list?

作者: sabsab122 時間: 20-9-1 12:58

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no, schools only look at your child's passport, not yours.

作者: gfkwong 時間: 20-9-1 13:36

Falcon媽媽發表於 20-9-1 10:24
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So apart from priority, those who get invited for play visit were only base ...

就算有得interview, 都唔係一定得，Non-selective 都要識英語溝通。
其他學校唔用random number, 點為之 Elite ？如果完全冇priority, 無得in 係唔出奇。

作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-9-1 14:33

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Because local kindergartens or maybe some of the int'l kindergartens will interview all candidates and pick the child who they thought were suitable. (E.g. Well behaved, active or from the schools that they like to offer)
So I don't know the procedures of the interview from ESF. I wonder is that only pass their English level is already ok.

作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-9-1 14:41

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I didn't say I disagree of this rule. Just wondering and wanna know more about it. I cannot ask anything here?

作者: nganchi176 時間: 20-9-1 14:43

jylo666 發表於 20-9-1 12:43
May I ask if I have UK passport, but both my wife and my son do not have that, can my son still get ...

No, the kid must have it to be under the priority list.

作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 20-9-1 14:46

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Yes, if you have a play visit, then understanding and use of English are all they are looking for. That's why many say passing the play visit is not the hard part, the hardest part is getting a play visit offer in the first place.

作者: yankiyan 時間: 20-9-1 14:47

Falcon媽媽發表於 20-9-1 14:33
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Because local kindergartens or maybe some of the int'l kindergartens will i ...

For ESF, it all depends on luck useless you have priority,

作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-9-1 14:53

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totally understand.
it seems very hard to get into this school unless you have to pray to god everyday. hoping to have a good random number.

作者: nganchi176 時間: 20-9-1 14:54

yankiyan 發表於 20-9-1 14:47
For ESF, it all depends on luck useless you have priority,

Agree! esp through train started from this year!!

作者: yankiyan 時間: 20-9-1 14:55

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hilary_tang 發表於 20-9-1 14:46
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Yes, if you have a play visit, then understanding and use of English are all ...

May I ask for ESF application, do we need to spend lots of time to answer the open-ended questions?(why do you choose ESF and how can you to be more involved in the community)
Since that for other local kinders, most of the parents ans those questions with few pages..
If ESF doesn't filter any applicants based on the application form, does it mean that we don't need to spend lots of time on it?

作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 20-9-1 15:00

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Definitely not pages hahaha. I'm not sure what other parents did but I only wrote maybe 3-4 lines to answer those questions.

作者: 已刪除用戶 時間: 20-9-1 15:01

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Haha yes or unless you can afford the kindergarten debenture. Good luck!

作者: gavroche915 時間: 20-9-1 15:02

Falcon媽媽發表於 20-9-1 14:33
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Because local kindergartens or maybe some of the int'l kindergartens will i ...

Well, I believe ESF does that through the assessment interview as well, agree? Isn't it a good thing they give interview opportunities to as many candidates as possible? How can a school determine whether the candidate is well behaved and active through some basic information written on the application?
If there are limited vacancies, and both candidates have passed the interview assessment, what do you think makes one candidate stand out from the other candidate by looking at the information on the application which deserves giving weight over a random number? The home address they fill in or the parents' occupation? Is this the so called "elite" you are implying?

作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-9-1 15:38

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I read from some old posts that the random number game was upsetting some parents as the school even doesn't hv a chance to hv an assessment for their child.
Also from the old post, if A is more outstanding than B but B has a better random number, then the school will give offer to B instead of A.

So I thought the assessment is only for passing English level, I don't think they will determine the candidates' behavior which usually happened in LS. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think u misunderstood me that the "elite" i'm implying is referring to children's ability, I'm not talking about wealth, home address or occupation.

作者: gavroche915 時間: 20-9-1 16:09

Falcon媽媽發表於 20-9-1 15:38
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I read from some old posts that the random number game was upsetting some p ...

I haven't applied to ESF but I think the whole purpose of having a random number system is because it's sometimes very difficult to weigh one student over another based on either the information written on the application itself, or the performance during the interview. Many candidates are equally strong during the assessment. Given the number of applicants ESF receive each year, the random number system does play a role to give fair opportunities to everyone.
Yes some schools do screen applicants based on a number of factors (e.g. gender, date of application, nationality etc.) until they fill up all the vacancies. Whether that's fair or not is also debatable. For ESF, we are talking about thousands and thousands of applications each year. You would agree that ESF receives the largest number of applications across Hong Kong given the number of member schools they have right? If they have 100 applicants that are equally strong, but only 50 vacancies, eventually they have to make the difficult choice. The random number system does help to eliminate subjectiveness under such circumstance. Sometimes, we do have to accept the fact that luck plays a role throughout our lives. Be it applying for a school, taking an exam, looking for a job. We as parents need to relax~~

作者: siuta 時間: 20-9-1 16:20

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gavroche915 發表於 20-9-1 15:02
Well, I believe ESF does that through the assessment interview as well, agree? Isn't it a good thing ...

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作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-9-1 16:23

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Totally agree with you.
Just sometimes thought that random number is not a fair game as half of the candidates cannot have a chance for showing themselves and some parents really pay hard effort for them. I can imagine their disappointment when receiving the waitlist email.

Anyway, my fds, sister-in-law who their kids are now in ESF said it's not difficult to get into this school. But I don't think it is as luck always not stand behinds me. LOL

作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-9-1 16:28

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Yes. I think I will be very upset if my son being rejected is because of random number instead of his performance.
Of coz need to apply more for backup.

作者: gavroche915 時間: 20-9-1 16:46

siuta 發表於 20-9-1 16:20
I think it's better for students who are better to get offer rather than those who have better luck. ...

Yes you are right and I think this is what all schools are trying to achieve as well. But sometimes we need to appreciate there are limitations in every screening process. Imagine they interview every candidate from the thousands of applications. How long do you think it would take to finish the whole assessment process? Will parents be patient enough to wait for more than 6 months before the results come out? And will a 10 minute assessment be enough to weigh all the candidates? For schools that interview every applicant, do you think they don't rely on other factors to screen candidates even if they tell you it's purely based on the candidate's performance?
To be honest, putting the debenture priority aside which many IS adopts (I personally quite hate it as it has deviated too much from its original intention of guaranteeing expatriates' children a spot as employers pay for a corporate debenture to save employees from too much hassle when staying in Hong Kong. But business is business, we need to live with it), I think the random number system should be by far the fairest.

作者: cheungwahaha 時間: 20-9-1 17:40

hilary_tang 發表於 20-9-1 15:01
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Haha yes or unless you can afford the kindergarten debenture. Good luck! ...

I know someone who bought 500K debenture but got rejected after the play visit, ESF is not purely non selective I would say.

作者: yankiyan 時間: 20-9-1 17:50

cheungwahaha 發表於 20-9-1 17:40
I know someone who bought 500K debenture but got rejected after the play visit, ESF is not purely n ...

I think the so-called non-selective is they are looking for kids who can communicate in English(basic requirement), but not looking for the best kids.

作者: peter1 時間: 20-9-1 18:49

It is non selective.
Certain level of English proficiency is a entry requirement, just like age also entry requirement. These didnt give a rank. So it still non selective.
If demand more than supply, and based on non selective, there are to introduce a tool/ rule to fill the vacancy by e.g. first apply first fill, or lucky draw from successfull pool....poor me not able to suggest the third options....so it is very fair from my point of view

作者: lauyinkei 時間: 20-9-2 09:40

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Random number only determines where your kids are on the queue (ie who will interview earlier or later)
Once your are invited to interview, you will either pass or fail. Random number won't affect your interview results at all.

作者: Falcon媽媽 時間: 20-9-2 10:26

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But there was a post said that if 2 child got interview and they also pass the assessment, the school would gave the offer to the one who had the good random number. So random number also played a important role to the interview. They didn't consider the child's ability but random number only.

作者: lauyinkei 時間: 20-9-2 11:26

Falcon媽媽發表於 20-9-2 10:26
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But there was a post said that if 2 child got interview and they also pass th ...

If passed, the kid will either get offer (better random number) or on waitlist (poorer random number) in offer letters.
How can they know the kids passed the interview but got rejected? Or they were in fact on waitlist? If they are on waitlist, they still have chance.

ESF interview is only to assess if the kids are seen to be able to communicate in English? Isn't it one of the kid's ability.

What kind of abilities you think ideal schools should look at during K1 play visit when the kids are mostly less than 2 years old?

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 20-9-2 18:46

Falcon媽媽發表於 20-9-2 10:26
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They didn't consider the child's ability but random number only.
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This is correct, a child either passes or fails the interview (play visit), there is no grading so there is no such thing as passed with flying colours or passed but barely made it. So if 2 children pass the interview but there is only 1 spot left, then the one with the better random number will get it.
In fact there is no grading throughout ESF kindergartens and primary schools, no tests, no assessments, so for those who believe their child is gifted and so should be regularly assessed and be given preferential treatment according to ability, then ESF is probably not the right path, at least not their kindergartens and primary schools.

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