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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-5 16:55     標題: ------



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作者: shadeslayer    時間: 19-5-5 19:31

Why did you apply to HKIS in the first place?

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-5 19:45     標題: Delete

shadeslayer 發表於 19-5-5 19:31
Why did you apply to HKIS in the first place?

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作者: shadeslayer    時間: 19-5-5 19:55

CM2020 發表於 19-5-5 19:45
I haven't applied yet. I lined up for the debenture a long time ago (some 7-8 years if i remember co ...

If your child is doing fine in ESF and you have not got good reasons to change, or you don’t prefer one over the other, isn’t the answer quite obvious.  

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作者: eyyc    時間: 19-5-5 20:26

shadeslayer 發表於 19-5-5 19:55
If your child is doing fine in ESF and you have not got good reasons to change, or you don’t prefe ...

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作者: shadeslayer    時間: 19-5-5 20:30

eyyc 發表於 19-5-5 20:26
I don’t think that parent has an obvious answer, just trying to seek some advice. Nothing wrong wi ...

He / she did say there is no US or UK preference.  

The one thing that might make a difference is proximity to where the student lives.  

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-5 20:41



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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-5 20:46

shadeslayer 發表於 19-5-5 20:30
He / she did say there is no US or UK preference.  

The one thing that might make a difference is  ...

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作者: eyyc    時間: 19-5-5 21:02

shadeslayer 發表於 19-5-5 20:30
He / she did say there is no US or UK preference.  

The one thing that might make a difference is  ...

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-5 21:04

eyyc 發表於 19-5-5 20:26
I don’t think that parent has an obvious answer, just trying to seek some advice. Nothing wrong wi ...

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作者: BCDJP    時間: 19-5-5 23:13

CM2020 發表於 19-5-5 21:04
My child is already in pathway 3, but the gap between my child's chinese and those mandarin speaking ...

HKIS has near native stream for Chinese.
The fees for HKIS is prob doubled of ESF.
I think it depends on if you want IB or AP. HKIS has smaller class size and newer facilities. But I would not change if the kid is doing well in the current school, esp if the kid is joining a school in a year when there is no big intake.

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作者: shadeslayer    時間: 19-5-5 23:30

CM2020 發表於 19-5-5 20:46
The difference in travel time by school bus is not that much (5-10 minutes more for HKIS), but then  ...

Changing school always has its risks, not to mention friends and teachers.  If there is no apparent benefits (to you), why take the risk?

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-6 00:04

shadeslayer 發表於 19-5-5 23:30
Changing school always has its risks, not to mention friends and teachers.  If there is no apparent ...

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作者: Mrspan    時間: 19-5-6 23:20

Perhaps u can list out what in ESF u are not satisfy with first? So that others may comment if HKIS is better in that regard?

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-9 23:24

Mrspan 發表於 19-5-6 23:20
Perhaps u can list out what in ESF u are not satisfy with first? So that others may comment if HKIS  ...

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作者: shadeslayer    時間: 19-5-9 23:44

CM2020 發表於 19-5-9 23:24
Not that I am not satisfied. My child joined esf since k1 and have been having happy school life in  ...

I am no expert in ESF or HKIS, but the math and Chinese “issues”, it seems they are quite common among IS in general.

To address them both in IS, typical students need tons of tuition.  By the time you spend the money and time for tuition, you may as well save money and time by going to a local schools.

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作者: whitesky    時間: 19-5-10 12:11

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不久之前到HKIS 參觀，考慮申請中學，認識朋友女兒已經畢業了好幾年。以前朋友有提及中學部，學校會抽查學生頭髮驗毒，想問現在仲有沒有定時抽查？
想問中學部，學生的品行如何，以前看報紙報道學生涉及毒品，給警方調查。我對學校印象不錯，但就比較擔心品行及毒品問題，唔知真實情況是如何，有家長熟悉中學部嗎？

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作者: 1992英语baby    時間: 19-5-13 04:48

whitesky 發表於 19-5-10 12:11
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不久之前到HKIS 參觀，考慮申請中學，認識朋友女兒已經畢業了好幾年。以前朋友有提及 ...

我都想知道HKIS如何做到多年來畢業生每年都有十分好的大學offers, 好可能是有最好大學placement 頭幾名IS, 同時亦有外面道聽塗說的吸毒問題存在。 ESF 沒有抽查學生驗毒？ 答案都是有的。

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作者: shadeslayer    時間: 19-5-13 11:09

1992英语baby 發表於 19-5-13 04:48
我都想知道HKIS如何做到多年來畢業生每年都有十分好的大學offers, 好可能是有最好大學placement 頭幾名IS,  ...

我的估計，其一因素係 HKIS 升美多，美國大學有 legacy。

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作者: 1992英语baby    時間: 19-5-13 23:14

shadeslayer 發表於 19-5-13 11:09
我的估計，其一因素係 HKIS 升美多，美國大學有 legacy。

大學Legacy ? 所以Ivy league 畢業的父母送子女去HKIS 而不是ESF，因為入去Ivy 相對容易？

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作者: shadeslayer    時間: 19-5-14 00:37

1992英语baby 發表於 19-5-13 23:14
大學Legacy ? 所以Ivy league 畢業的父母送子女去HKIS 而不是ESF，因為入去Ivy 相對容易？
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如果家長是ivy 畢業，孩子一心美國讀，咁AP的HKlS比ESF好，合理呀。

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-18 02:18

shadeslayer 發表於 19-5-9 23:44
I am no expert in ESF or HKIS, but the math and Chinese “issues”, it seems they are quite common  …

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-18 02:27

whitesky 發表於 19-5-10 12:11
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不久之前到HKIS 參觀，考慮申請中學，認識朋友女兒已經畢業了好幾年。以前朋友有提及 ...

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-18 02:38

1992英语baby 發表於 19-5-13 04:48
我都想知道HKIS如何做到多年來畢業生每年都有十分好的大學offers, 好可能是有最好大學placement 頭幾名IS,  ...

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作者: 貝珠    時間: 19-5-18 16:10

CM2020 發表於 19-5-18 02:18
Many parents with kids in secondary said their kids have a lot of catching up to do in terms of acad ...

Cdnis has a more intense Chinese curriculum than Esf for native stream. No doubt.

Esf vs Hkis regarding Chinese , sorry no idea.

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作者: Shootastar    時間: 19-5-20 13:40

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My two kids settled in UK and HK upon leaving HKIS several years ago.

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-21 00:46

Shootastar 發表於 19-5-20 13:40
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My two kids settled in UK and HK upon leaving HKIS several years ago.

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作者: Shootastar    時間: 19-5-21 11:05

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They chose to study in UK and HK because they wished to become professionals. The road of becoming professionals would be shorter if they studied the qualifications which are recognized locally.

I have no figures of the nationality of the students who chose to study outside US. However, as far as I know, even if you are not an US citizen, the chance of being admitted by a top US college would be better if you are a graduate of HKIS. As far as I know, one of my son's classmates (holding HK residency) was admitted by Yale and one of my daughter's classmates (holding an Japan passport) was admitted by Stanford.
Apart from China, US education system is the largest education system in the world. Each year, about 3.0 million students take the AP and SAT examinations which are college entrance qualifications. The liberal art style education well prepares the students for colleges.

About 0.5 million students took the British A-Level examination. About 0.2 million students took the IB examinations. About 65,000 students took the HKDSE.

So you can realize that the US college entrance qualifications are well recognized by the leading universities in the world.

For diversity reason, those top colleges would like to admit applicants of US college entrance qualifications. In Hong Kong, only a handful international schools adopt the US education system. That means the competition among them for non-US colleges is less fierce than the competitions among the IB or A-Level students. So whether you aim for an US college or not, it may be a good choice for the kid to study in a school adopting the US education system.

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-21 23:01

Shootastar 發表於 19-5-21 11:05
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They chose to study in UK and HK because they wished to become professionals. Th ...

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-21 23:05

Shootastar 發表於 19-5-21 11:05
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They chose to study in UK and HK because they wished to become professionals. Th ...

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作者: Shootastar    時間: 19-5-22 18:27



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The beauty of liberal art style education is the opportunity given to the students to explore different subjects in different levels. If an underachievers in a subject at a higher level (say honor level) cannot follow the subject, he can study the same subject at the ordinary level.  I did not know there were underachievers who were advised to leave the school. If you were an underachievers of a particular subject, you could be advised to take a lower level of that subject. Usually, a student who might be an underachiever in science or math subject, he might be a high flyer in language or humanity subjects. The liberal style education would allow the students to find out what are best for him in the future.

Although some students might leave HKIS for UK boarding school after Grade 9 or Grade 10, the number was not too many. Most of them would go to US boarding school. However, in Grade 9 or Grade 10, the spots available for new comers was around 15 each year. So the number of students leaving for boarding school (no matter UK or USA) was not too many.

The major factor for me to consider whether or not to put my kids in HKIS was whether it was in their interest to receive the liberal art style education. Before you make a move, I think you should understand the US curriculum first. There is no right or wrong to choose A-Level, IB, HKDSE or US education system. You should understand more about the US education system before you make a decision for your kids.

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作者: Shootastar    時間: 19-5-22 18:41

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My understanding of HKIS's American culture is "US is the best". They provide the "best" education to your kids in terms of teachers and hardware. Their campus is one of the largest and best campuses of schools in Hong Kong. The equipment used in teaching is advanced. The staff and students ratio is about 10 to 12. Although the teachers might come from different part of world and might be of different nationalities, nearly all of them received education in US and had the experience of teaching American curriculum. You will be amazed that some of them are graduates of Harvard, Yale or UPenn. They want your kids to be "first" amongst the competitors. They stretch your kids's potential beyond the comfort zone, sometimes beyond their limit. If your kids enjoy these, your kids should have the initiatives to study well. Although it is termed as an international school, in substance it is an American school which is accredited by an American educational association according to the standard of the schools in America.

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-23 00:01

Shootastar 發表於 19-5-22 18:41
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My understanding of HKIS's American culture is "US is the best". They provide th ...

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作者: HKPES    時間: 19-5-23 10:13



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作者: jellomama    時間: 19-5-23 15:24

Shootastar 發表於 19-5-22 18:27
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The beauty of liberal art style education is the opportunity given to the studen ...

May I ask from which source you heard that for grade 9 and 10, there are about 15 new spots each year in HKIS?

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作者: Shootastar    時間: 19-5-23 17:29



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The "best" education needs money. That is why their school fee is nearly the highest amongst the international schools in Hong Kong. If your kid adapts well in the school, there is no need to go back. If not, he or she should not have problem to transfer to another IS in Hong Kong or go to a boarding school. I think (but not sure) CIS and GSIS could provide hardware of similar standard.  

Regarding entry to top US colleges. you are correct that US citizens have advantages. If you surf the websites of the top US colleges, they would tell you they reserve roughly 8% to 10% of the spots to international students. The rest of the spots go to those holding US passports or Green Card.

I think if your kid is an Australian, he/she should have a better chance of being admitted than Chinese or HKSAR citizens. As far as I know not many Australians would opt to study in USA when compared with Chinese or HKSAR citizens. For diversity reason, if everything is equal, they would admit an Australian applicant rather than a Chinese or HKSAR citizen.

It is never too early to plan for the future of your kids. You should study well the US education system before you make a decision on your kid's future. Honestly, for different reasons, not all parents may like to put their kids in an US education system. They prefer IB or A-Level.

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作者: Shootastar    時間: 19-5-23 17:31

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The figure of 15 varies in each year. If you have friends whose kids study at Grade 9 or Grade 10, just ask them approximately how many new students they meet at the beginning of the academic year.

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-5-23 21:55

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The "best" education needs money. That is why their school fee is nearly the hig ...

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作者: mikimoto12    時間: 19-5-31 00:01

HKIS's Chinese program is far stronger than ESF's.

HKIS went through a major reform in recent years in terms of its Chinese curriculum.

I have two friends whose kids transferred from ESF to HKIS Upper Primary last year, one from RC and one from Quarry Bay, and they both commented that they were surprised how rigorous HKIS's Chinese curriculum was. There is a lot of reading and writing homework on a daily basis, and the teachers are stringent. Each student is required to write a Chinese journal every week. If you fail to turn in your journal on time, you get penalized and have to write an extra one. Their kids were in the highest Chinese stream at their old ESF schools but both found it hard to keep up with the demands of the Chinese curriculum at HKIS.

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作者: CherylChloe    時間: 19-6-2 23:02

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In the last year’s new parents group, there are several families coming from ESF, with same reason targeting at US universities for their children.

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-6-3 00:15

CherylChloe 發表於 19-6-2 23:02
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In the last year’s new parents group, there are several families coming from ES ...

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作者: CherylChloe    時間: 19-6-3 00:41

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Totally agree that HKIS must have better Chinese than ESF, however still 1-2 more grades lower than local school curriculum and may not as well as SIS or CIS.

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作者: CherylChloe    時間: 19-6-3 00:42

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My kid joined Upper Primary last year and she was fully connected with every affairs of the school.

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-6-3 00:50

CherylChloe 發表於 19-6-3 00:42
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My kid joined Upper Primary last year and she was fully connected with every aff ...

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作者: CherylChloe    時間: 19-6-3 01:01

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Last year is the opening of the new Upper Primary School campus. As far as I know, there is one more class for each grade , making it to be 10 in total with each class size of 22. So total student number is 220 in one grade. Because of one more new class, this made more newcomers last year, as a result my girl was not the only new in the class , actually many many others.
I think before making a move , you should think more deeply about which exam system you feel better fit your kid, ie AP vs IB. One of my friends transferred from ESF picked HKIS because they felt his son’s strength is in maths and science rather than literacy, so they think AP exam-based style would benefit him in applying universities while IB focuses much on research and writing.  HKIS’s maths curriculum is not too easy too，and it will adjust the level to different kids based on MAP assessment (因材施教）！

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-6-3 01:13

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Last year is the opening of the new Upper Primary School campus. As far as I kno ...

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作者: CherylChloe    時間: 19-6-3 01:21

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My girl studied in local school before, so there must be much big difference at least the English environment.
Ok, per my friend whose kid comes from ESF QB, I did ask her when I got a late interview offer from Gleneary School 2 months ago. Her reply is depending on your future plan on the kid , US vs UK, AP vs IB. Apart from it, she thinks HKIS has better teacher quality on average, better school communication, better focus on her son’s strength in Maths, better Chinese curriculum and better university counseling services (as heard from parents from senior form). Therefore I didn’t go for the ESF interview finally.

Having said the above, one may be sort of biased on her own choice. So don’t take it as 100% trustworthy!

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作者: CherylChloe    時間: 19-6-3 01:29

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其實未sure 將來係點，一動不如一靜，而且你小朋友有多年感情。ESF IB 成績也十分好！

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-6-3 01:39

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其實未sure 將來係點，一動不如一靜，而且你小朋友有多年感情。ESF IB 成績也十分好！ ...

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作者: meimeimandy    時間: 19-6-3 08:36

CM2020 發表於 19-6-3 01:39
Very true indeed. He will miss his classmates. Indeed I never thought about this after my kid got in ...

Can you share more about the weak foundations and dissatisfaction they are referring to? Academically?
We will be joining ESF this Aug and would like to understand more. Thanks

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作者: CherylChloe    時間: 19-6-3 09:08

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If the secondary school of ESF is ok, there is no point to leave their system. Just do more academic practice and tuitions to cover up the gap if I were you.

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-6-4 00:44

CherylChloe 發表於 19-6-3 09:08
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If the secondary school of ESF is ok, there is no point to leave their system. J ...

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-6-4 00:48

meimeimandy 發表於 19-6-3 08:36
Can you share more about the weak foundations and dissatisfaction they are referring to? Academical ...

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作者: meimeimandy    時間: 19-6-4 01:10

CM2020 發表於 19-6-4 00:48
Looking back at my wordings, these may be a bit too strong. I am not that critical of ESF. Different ...

Thanks. I hope my kid would learn & adapt well in the school.

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-6-5 00:01



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作者: Moonlight819    時間: 19-6-5 07:37

CM2020 發表於 19-6-4 00:48
Looking back at my wordings, these may be a bit too strong. I am not that critical of ESF. Different ...

Feeling the same as you! Actually quite many ESF parents think so, but they don’t voice out publicly as their children are still studying. I know a friend who is still keep on taking the exercise for her child from another IS that is stronger in Maths curriculum.

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作者: Shootastar    時間: 19-6-5 12:50

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I read through web sites of several IS, all have % of students going to US colleges much higher than the % of students who are American citizens, e.g 80% of HKIS went to US (51% American citizen), 15% of ESF students went to US (7% US citizens), 50% CIS students went to US (no figure on US citizenship, but certainly well below 50%). Seems many students are wiling to give some sacrifice to go to US despite being in a disadvantaged position. Do you know why? (The reason as I can see is the parents like and trust the US education system and wish their kids to take the liberal art education there). Wouldn't it be better for a student to go to say Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial etc instead of settling at a lower tier US college? (I do not know what is your definition of a lower tier US college, outside top 50 or outside top 25? In my personal view, Oxbridge is definitely better than, a college outside top 25. However, if one has the quality to be admitted by LSE, Imperial or UCL, he should have the quality to be admitted by a top 25 US college. It boils down to the education system in which the parents want their kids to receive education. There is no right or wrong whether you choose, for example LSE or Georgetown or Washington U at St. Louis. It is entirely a personal choice).   

Regarding disadvantages to non-US citizens, what's your best guess of how much is it? (As far as I know, the top 25 or even top 30 US colleges admitted students with reference to their nationality. If you are not an US citizen or a green card holder, then you have to be considered in the pool of international students. From the websites, one may find that the top 20 US colleges usually allocate about 8% to 10% of the spots to the international student pool. Amongst the international pool, if you are a Canadian or a Mexican, your chance will be higher than other international applicants.) Say, to get to the same college, how many points higher the SAT score has to be? (This is a tricky question because if you are an international students, you are competing with other international applicants. Further as we can see, no single factor would guarantee your admission (unless you are a development office case). The colleges take a holistic approach to consider the applications, i.e. SAT& AP results, GPA, leadership, social service, any special skill, any academic honor (such as the gold medal of Intel Science competition or special skill (i.e. member of the Olympic team)). Or, if say top 20% of the students at HKIS with US citizenship or green cards can get to colleges of a certain tier, what's the corresponding % for non-US citizens, are we talking about something like 15%, 10%, 5% or even lower? (My personal guess is that if 20 students of HKIS were admitted to a top 20 US colleges, about 8 to 9 of them were non-US citizens.) I know it is impossible for anyone to know, but perhaps your best guess, or your feel? (Before 2012, it is possible to know because the placements of the students were published in the intranet. The parents had access to the intranet. The parents could, if they wished, find out the nationality of the students within the school's resources. However, since 2012 probably due to the Protection of Personal Data legislation, the school did not publish the placements of the graduation class. I have to caution that I am outdated.)

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作者: CM2020    時間: 19-6-5 15:02



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作者: CherylChloe    時間: 19-6-5 23:58

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Thanks Shootstar , your information is encouraging!

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