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標題: Change in application policy for ESF [打印本頁]
作者: Chase922 時間: 17-4-5 07:09 標題: Change in application policy for ESF
Effective from August 2017, Year 1 and Year 7 Central Admissions process for August 2018 entry will be a ‘one form’ application system for ESF primary and secondary schools including Discovery College and Renaissance College. Parents may only submit one online application per child with their selected preference of schools. Subject to final approval by the Education Bureau, the application fee will be HK$2,000. School zoning (http://www.esf.edu.hk/esf-zones/) applies for ESF primary and secondary schools based on residential address at the time of application. Discovery College and Renaissance College remains zone free. Details of the 2017-18 admissions process will be available from the ESF website in late June 2017.
作者: 964000 時間: 17-4-5 08:20
即只可apply一間？
作者: Chase922 時間: 17-4-5 09:01
964000 發表於 17-4-5 08:20 
即只可apply一間？
It seems that u need to state your priority and only if the first choice does not offer an interview, u will hv a chance for having an interview with your second priority. In short there wouldn't be candidates receiving offers from both foundation schools and RC/DC.
作者: little-pig-pig 時間: 17-4-5 10:32
Chase922 發表於 17-4-5 09:01
It seems that u need to state your priority and only if the first choice does not offer an intervie ...
Similar to NR?
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-5 10:48
Chase922 發表於 17-4-5 09:01
It seems that u need to state your priority and only if the first choice does not offer an intervie ...
one interview only:
Important announcement!! Especially if you have a 2013 born and plan to apply for ESF/ESFPIS this September for Y1 (18-19). You must know.
ONE application (one fee) and ONE interview only.
Effective from August 2017, Year 1 and Year 7 Central Admissions process for August 2018 entry will be a ‘one form’ application system for ESF primary and secondary schools including Discovery College and Renaissance College. Parents may only submit one online application per child with their selected preference of schools. Subject to final approval by the Education Bureau, the application fee will be HK$2,000. School zoning (http://www.esf.edu.hk/esf-zones/) applies for ESF primary and secondary schools based on residential address at the time of application. Discovery College and Renaissance College remains zone free. Details of the 2017-18 admissions process will be available from the ESF website in late June 2017.
Please visit https://www.facebook.com/RCHK-Admissions-Q-A-153181278477183/ for Q & A related to RCHK.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-5 11:47
This is bad news. Previously applicants could have 3 chances (Foundation school + RC + DC) assessed separately, now there is only 1.
作者: mandy_ng207 時間: 17-4-5 12:06
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Really thanks for sharing the link :)
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-5 12:24
FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-5 11:47
This is bad news. Previously applicants could have 3 chances (Foundation school + RC + DC) assessed ...
I think this is a good arrangement. At the moment, there are people that get 2 or 3 offers and yet a lot of other people are on the waiting list (those that passed interview). The new arrangement will prevent parents from holding onto more than one offer for extended period of time.
作者: 964000 時間: 17-4-5 12:57
nintendo 發表於 17-4-5 12:24
I think this is a good arrangement. At the moment, there are people that get 2 or 3 offers and yet ...
I think so too, it's better for those on wait list but I wonder if those got reject, will they get a second interview by another school?
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-5 13:20
nintendo 發表於 17-4-5 12:24
I think this is a good arrangement. At the moment, there are people that get 2 or 3 offers and yet ...
May be a better arrangement is to allow applicants to make 3 separate applications as before, but they can only accept and confirm 1 place from any school under the ESF umbrella.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-5 13:23
964000 發表於 17-4-5 12:57
if those got reject, will they get a second interview by another school? ...
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-5 13:27
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964000 發表於 17-4-5 12:57
I think so too, it's better for those on wait list but I wonder if those got reject, will they get ...
作者: hong0706 時間: 17-4-5 13:34
No details yet, so just a guess. They use the word "one form", not one school or one choice. Also they say "preference", not selected school. So I imagine they will still allow you to apply all 3 (foundation, RC and DC) but you need to state your preference when you apply. This is to deal with the large no of ESF kinder kids who decline RC and DC offers.
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-5 13:41
FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-5 13:20
The current arrangement does allow people to hold onto multiple places while waiting for other poten ...
I do think that they are also trying to reduce the work load of different schools too.
Note that RC and DC have no catchment area limitation. So basically everyone can apply.
But in the end, how many people living on the island would choose RC because of the location?
Getting 3 offers might make some parents "feel so good", yet it is also a huge work load for the schools, and a huge issue for the people on "waitlist".
There have been a lot of hateful topics and messages regarding ESF applications this year, just in EK.
This move hopefully would make things better next year.
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-5 13:53
There are 3 ESF schools parents can apply now, one foundation + RC and DC.
In the end, you can attend only one.
This new arrangement is only making parents make a clear choice a few months earlier.
Consider the situation when you were accepted by all 3. You have to make a choice anyway.
作者: mandy_ng207 時間: 17-4-5 13:58
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Can't agree with you more.
Combining the applications also avoids unnecessary stress on the child, who has to attend 3 interviews in a short time. It is a good move.
If my mathematics is correct, there should be more interview chances for non-ESF kindie students under the new arrangement. Then the school can have more students to choose from and pick the best ones. I think it is a win-win situation.
I am really annoyed with some parents' idea of applying multiple schools. This is more common among local schools' parents indeed. Like what the ESF admin said, why waste time interviewing a school that you don't like, and then giving up everything when your ideal school called for admission?
作者: chumiguan 時間: 17-4-5 14:17
I do think it is good arrangement. I called ESF this morning. The lady said parents can still apply to both Foundation Schools and PIS in the 1 centralized form, just putting the schools as preference. The only thing is that the application fee she did not confirm me, saying they are waiting for EBD approval. She asked me to wait for further details which will be announced in June. So, the new arrangement may save application fee and interview process.
作者: Chase922 時間: 17-4-5 14:21
Extracted from RCHK Fb page:
The new system is on the ONE application (one fee only), ONE interview basis. Hence, please only choose the one you will accept the offer. if you ONLY want an ESF school then do not choose PIS. In that case, you will only be interviewed (and be considered) by an ESF school- but there is NO guarantee you will be interviewed. Failed an interview is the end of the application, the child will not be interviewed by the other choices of school. Same principal, if the child is successful in the interview, he/she can ONLY go to that school. i.e. one can not use the ESF's success result to attend PIS school, vice verse.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-5 14:43
While the new scheme will probably mean less work overall for admissions staff, the schools will get less money in application fees, so it is a give and take for the schools.
From the point of view of the applicant however, it is definitely bad news in that they previously could have 3 chances but now there is only 1. It would be like JUPAS allowing applicants to apply to only 1 university in HK.
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-5 14:55
FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-5 14:43
While the new scheme will probably mean less work overall for admissions staff, the schools will get ...
The new arrangement definitely would make things move on faster.
Consider the fact that one can hold on to only one school in the beginning.
I think I read it here in EK that many parents thought the previous arrangement was not fair, allowing parents to hold multiple offers.
There were so many hateful and insulting massages here on EK.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-5 15:45
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 17-4-5 16:12 編輯
nintendo 發表於 17-4-5 14:55
here in EK that many parents thought the previous arrangement was not fair, allowing parents to hold multiple offers.
There were so many hateful and insulting massages here on EK ...
I don't think there is absolute fairness in this world, and ESF is already relatively fair in that people can only apply to one Foundation school according to their residential address and not all Foundation schools. There are many International Schools outside of ESF and there is nothing to stop anyone from applying to all of them and theoretically hold onto a dozen places if they don't mind paying all the registration fees and deposits, no one seems to think that is not fair.
If there is any dissatisfaction it should really be directed towards those people who have a "stamp collector" mentality and not any particular school.
作者: 964000 時間: 17-4-5 16:22
On second thought, maybe less people will be applying to one school and so at the end, more people will get an interview chance.
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-5 16:30
FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-5 15:45
I don't think there is absolute fairness in this world, and ESF is already relatively fair in that ...
Fyi, not my words but it was comments of other parents.
Like you said, there is no absolute fairness anyway, so what is wrong with the new arrangement then.
No matter what ESF do, there will be people complaining anyway.
One thing good about it, if there are parents who think it is not fair, just forget about ESF.
Go to apply to other schools.
作者: ChocoMilk33 時間: 17-4-5 16:42
本帖最後由 ChocoMilk33 於 17-4-5 16:49 編輯
It seems the new arrangement can simplify the procedures and save parents' monetary and time cost, so why not?!
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-5 16:48
nintendo 發表於 17-4-5 16:30
so what is wrong with the new arrangement then ...
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-5 16:49
FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-5 16:48
There is nothing "wrong" with the new arrangement, just that it has become more restrictive and more ...
Some happy, some not happy.
Cannot please everyone anyway.
作者: Activehealth 時間: 17-4-5 17:55
Chase922 發表於 17-4-5 14:21
Extracted from RCHK Fb page:
The new system is on the ONE application (one fee only), ONE interview ...
This, in fact, contradicts with your previous post saying that the candidate will get a second interview with his second choice if he fails his original interview with his first choice.
If that is the case, it will be bad news for ESF kindy, and sibling priority candidates, who used to have priorities TWICE in applying for BOTH ESF foundation AND PIS schools; will only have priority ONCE when applying for foundation school OR PIS school, over others without any priority.
作者: Shuidudu 時間: 17-4-5 18:31
Chase922 發表於 17-4-5 07:09
Effective from August 2017, Year 1 and Year 7 Central Admissions process for August 2018 entry will ...
Given a Foundation school is many people's first choice, will this new change result in the foundation school being able to pick the best of students before the PIS do?
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-5 22:01 標題: 回覆樓主：
本帖最後由 VVhuilee 於 17-4-5 22:02 編輯
I do think it is a better arrangement for everyone.I have always imagine what we would do if we have offer from RC but only on reserved list for Foundation school (which would be our first choice).... or even not given the opportunity for interview to the foundation school at all. As their kinder's students, we are at least guarantee would be interviewed!But I do think they may be more selective!!Those with sibling priority cannot just sit back and relax! not sure if they would still give a second chance as they do now.I wonder if they would still draw random # for each applicant as this is not applicable to PIS today.
作者: Chase922 時間: 17-4-5 22:34
Activehealth 發表於 17-4-5 17:55
This, in fact, contradicts with your previous post saying that the candidate will get a second inte ...
I didn't say so. I just said only had an interview chance with the second choice if the first choice does not offer an interview.
作者: Activehealth 時間: 17-4-5 22:39
Chase922 發表於 17-4-5 22:34
I didn't say so. I just said only had an interview chance with the second choice if the first choic ...
OIC.
Thanks for clarifying.
作者: Cara2006 時間: 17-4-5 23:56
Shuidudu 發表於 17-4-5 18:31
Given a Foundation school is many people's first choice, will this new change result in the foundat ...
The foundation schools do not get to pick students BEFORE PIS.
If you fail your interview with foundation school (your first choice), you are out of ESF totally. No second chance to attend interview with PIS (your second choice).
PIS will interview students that put them as first choice first anyway.
Basically foundation schools and PIS schools will interview totally different pool of students.
作者: Cara2006 時間: 17-4-5 23:58
VVhuilee 發表於 17-4-5 22:01
But I do think they may be more selective!!Those with sibling priority cannot just sit back and relax!
Yes. They were already a lot more selective this year.
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-6 07:16
VVhuilee 發表於 17-4-5 22:01
I do think it is a better arrangement for everyone.I have always imagine what we would do if we have ...
but further thoughts, we are most likely guaranteed to be interviewed but not necessary the first choice.... but if parent already need to decide upfront, I am hoping there would be sufficent spots to interview all kinder students.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-6 10:43
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VVhuilee 發表於 17-4-6 07:16
but further thoughts, we are most likely guaranteed to be interviewed but not necessary the first ...
Put it this way, in the current arrangement, if your child is in an ESF kindergarten, he/she can make 3 separate applications to 3 schools and enjoy interview priority in all 3, and the 3 assessments are done separately and independently. In other words it would be like applying to 3 unrelated schools, all of which give interview priority to your child.
In the new arrangement, your child can submit only 1 application, enjoy interview priority to only 1 school, and will be assessed only once.
I honestly think the new arrangement will only bring more disappointment to applicants, not less.
作者: Activehealth 時間: 17-4-6 12:57
FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-6 10:43
Put it this way, in the current arrangement, if your child is in an ESF kindergarten, he/she can ma ...
That's what I think too.
Not candidates from ESF kindergartens but candidates with sibling priority as well.
作者: Cara2006 時間: 17-4-6 13:32
VVhuilee 發表於 17-4-6 07:16
but further thoughts, we are most likely guaranteed to be interviewed but not necessary the first ...
There will be huge problems for ESF kindergarten children if their first choice is very popular and it is a small school.
For example, a child name Sam has choices (1) BHS (2) RC (3) DC.
Sam will of course have priority with BHS. But BHS is small and if he was not even granted interview chance, he will have to go to RC for interview.
Now, even more problems!
He has chosen RC as second choice. Now obviously, RC will interview those that put RC as first choice first. And the situation is that Sam will be in the queue at RC behind ESF kindergarten children (and other kids with priority) that chose RC as first choice AND probably also behind non-ESF kindergarten children that chose RC as first choice.
To be honest, I do not think RC is really less popular. Many people consider it their first choice. So RC will get filled up very soon probably even with handling applications that put them as their first choice. And Sam again will probably end up being directed to choice number three which is DC and now he is at the further end of the queue.
To sum up, if you MISSED the chance to get any interview with choice number one, you have near zero chance to get into ESF. The choices 2 and 3 are really jokes!
This new arrangement is good news to non-esf kindergarten kids but bad news for esf kindergarten kids.
作者: Activehealth 時間: 17-4-6 15:09
Cara2006 發表於 17-4-6 13:32
There will be huge problems for ESF kindergarten children if their first choice is very popular and ...
How do other ESF kindergarten candidates have priority over Sam in getting the interview with BHS?
Are they going to assign the random numbers too, like what they do to the non priority candidates now？
How about the candidates with sibling priority? Are they going to do the same too?
作者: Cara2006 時間: 17-4-6 16:26
Activehealth 發表於 17-4-6 15:09
How do other ESF kindergarten candidates have priority over Sam in getting the interview with BHS?
...
Only my wild guess what would happen.I am only trying to guess what will happen to a typical ESF kindergarten kids if he applies to a small ESF primary school.
The situation would be horrible if the total number of available places cannot even accommodate all kids that enjoys priority (including alumni, siblings, ESF kindie etc).
What is the present situation?
How they rank these priority kids?
作者: happymama2007 時間: 17-4-6 19:26
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FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-6 10:43
Put it this way, in the current arrangement, if your child is in an ESF kindergarten, he/she can ma ...
100% agree...that means there will be more non-ESF kindergarten kids who can have interview and we need to compete with them!
作者: 貝珠 時間: 17-4-6 22:16
Cara2006 發表於 17-4-6 13:32
There will be huge problems for ESF kindergarten children if their first choice is very popular and ...
Do I get it wrong ?
My thought is if Sam fails to get bhs interview and Gets RC interview, Sam will be as equal chance as other RC interviewees.
Anyone knows if Sam (a esf kinder student) has higher priority than other non esf kinder students in RC? If Sam and another non esf kinder student both pass RC interview , will RC pick the one performed better or RC do give priority to esf kinder students just like the esf foundation school ?
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-6 22:43 標題: 回覆樓主：
本帖最後由 VVhuilee 於 17-4-6 23:10 編輯
都係估，呢到大家都仲係估緊：
- 會有random #, RC admission係FB答咗
- random # 應該同宜家玩法一樣，即不同priority group內有自己一堆no.e.g. sibling #100 會高過esf kinder #50
- 如果你1st choice bhs, random # 500, bhs面試名額已full, 2nd choice RC仲有一個名額，#500 仲有得見 RC. 但 #501 1st choice RC, 但最後一個quota已經俾咗#500, 自然會assign 2nd choice俾#501.
即#501 雖然1st choice 係RC 都無得見，但#500 RC 係2nd choice 就有得見。咁理應唔存在先見1st choice嘅學生，俾哂位先見2nd choice, 佢應該一齊見，再要跟random # 俾offer -> 未有official出來confirm以上theory
- 理論上non-esf kinder唔會機會高咗
- esf kinder反而少咗兩個機會，一見定生死，但因為唔會再有人可以揸著2,3 個offer, 應該免卻痛苦的wait list.
作者: 貝珠 時間: 17-4-6 22:56
如果你1st choice bhs, random # 500, bhs面試名額已full, 2nd choice RC仲有一個名額，#500 仲有得見 RC. 但 #501 1st choice RC, 但最後一個quota已經俾咗#500, 自然會assign 2nd choice俾#501.理應唔存在先見1st choice嘅學生，俾哂位先見2nd choice, 佢應該要跟random # 俾offer.未有official出來confirm
I disagree with you. After the deadline of central application, the system will know Sam cannot get interview chance of his first choice and assign his second choice RC for him to interview. It does not mean that Sam is in the 2nd batch of RC interview. All schools should have only 1 round of interview.
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-6 23:05
貝珠 發表於 17-4-6 22:56
如果你1st choice bhs, random # 500, bhs面試名額已full, 2nd choice RC仲有一個名額，#500 仲有得見 RC. ...
你係唔係disagree我呀？ 但我好似同你講緊同一樣野喎。可能我寫得難明？
作者: saijanjan 時間: 17-4-6 23:06
Activehealth 發表於 17-4-5 17:55
This, in fact, contradicts with your previous post saying that the candidate will get a second inte ...
It is a bad news to us. ESF kindy has less advantage over other internationl kindergarten. The school principal told us that around 99% of ESF kindy can get an offer in ESF schools at the time when we were attending the school visits. Now, RC said only offer 170spots among the interviewed 340 esf kindy
作者: 貝珠 時間: 17-4-6 23:08
Anyway, RC admission Facebook has answered this question. It seems that esf has not came out with standard answer on this.
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作者: babyonboard 時間: 17-4-7 04:15
本帖最後由 babyonboard 於 17-4-7 04:36 編輯
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The new policy seems to be more open to non ESF kindy which makes me more hestitate to take their kindy offer. I wonder there will still be 9x% admitted to ESF primary. Much less advantage to their own primary school, ESF kindy is not that tempting. No advantage to other international school not to mention local school. Where can the kids go after 2 years? It is indeed very bad news for ESF kindy. From my point of view the changing policy means the change of direction of school at the end of the day we actually need to join pushy kindergarten after intensive training kids must perform better during interview. E.g. With training by let say Victoria kindy the kid could probably writing some words already compare to ESF kid who just spent 2 years playing around in ESF which is happy kindy of coz ESF kindy cannot compete with them. So happy school is just a joke? I mean how do they evaluate their language skills? One kid can only write A, one can write Apple, one can write alligator? It's really sad that I applied happy kindy for my kid becos I believe overdevelop their brain at early stage has no advantage. Now I have to train my kid for interview no matter at the end of the day we join ESF or not.
作者: 貝珠 時間: 17-4-7 07:01
saijanjan 發表於 17-4-6 23:06
It is a bad news to us. ESF kindy has less advantage over other internationl kindergarten. The sc ...
本帖最後由 貝珠 於 17-4-7 09:04 編輯
Reply from RC admission officer : RC only have 162 seats in Year One and we offered 170 ESF kindergarten kids the seats(many more pass but placed on the wait list) but only 60 of them accept our offer. I am not sure you view the number right from the school's point of view.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-4-7 08:59
貝珠 發表於 17-4-7 07:01
Reply from RC admission officer : RC only have 162 seats in Year One and we offered 170 ESF kinderg ...
之前可以兩邊申請，同時有ESF 和 RC offer可能多人選ESF
作者: bighead234 時間: 17-4-7 09:09
貝珠 發表於 17-4-7 07:01
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Reply from RC admission officer : RC only have 162 seats in ...
so RC did over offer!
作者: elsathomas 時間: 17-4-7 10:34
babyonboard 發表於 17-4-7 04:15
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The new policy seems to be more open to non ESF kindy which makes me more hes ...
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I dont see why with the new admission policy the admission rate for esf kindie must decrease/not able to maintain 9x%!Its true that the kids will now only have 1 chance 1 interview, but those who fail esf y1 interview are just minority, esf primary is still giving priority to esf kindie over other schools. If one targets esf primary, the best way is to either purchase NR ( if you dont wanna play the game and try your luck as they use random no.) or stick to esf kindie.
It will only be true that if esf primary is raising the interview requirements (academic standard/level) which may result in more kids failing to pass the interview.
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-7 11:04 標題: 回覆樓主:
official reply from RC:
Those who choose RC first will have the higher priority otherwise what was the point of asking parents for the preference? 
The whole point of the new system is to avoid spending so much time/effort on the applicatns who have no intention to attend the school deep down in their heart and give the seats to those who really want certain school. RC appreciates parents' confident vote. 
Different to what I thought......OMG
作者: diablo3 時間: 17-4-7 11:17
elsathomas 發表於 17-4-7 10:34
I dont see why with the new admission policy the admission rate for esf kindie muWith the new policy, esf kindie can apply only ONE school, if you were the K1 parents this year, you really would feel no difference?
What should the K1 parents do now? I wonder any parents really apply for one school and relax..not in local school not in IS.
Now, the esf schools want to simplify their work, gives more chances for non-esf kindie. If esf kindie kids have to apply other school as back-up, why dont the big esf community help the kindie kids first? But ask them to go get other backup?
It should be more safe for esf kindie to apply foundation schools than PIS, cos at least no need to compete so much with non-esf kids.
But if parents really think PIS is their preference and cannot get the offer? Thats the end of the game...more competition with non-esf kids who are learning more from other school. I can see the admission rate must drop alot.
I think the new policy would help non-esf kids to get into PIS bcos esf kindie kids would probably put foundation school as 1st choice cos it is a safer bet.
作者: diablo3 時間: 17-4-7 11:25
VVhuilee 發表於 17-4-7 11:04
official reply from RC:
Those who choose RC first will have the higher priority otherwise what was ...
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-7 11:33
diablo3 發表於 17-4-7 11:25
With what she said, basically in order to get accepted you must put RC as 1st choice...dont even thi ...
yep! no chance of getting an offer for 2nd & 3rd choice
作者: siubotze 時間: 17-4-7 12:13
As parents of ESF kindle K1 student, I am extremely discontent with the new policy. ESF sort of committed to us when we accepted the K1 offer that our kids will have priority for interview for the foundation school and PIS if we join in K1. We accepted the offer and moved my kid from a reputable nursery given the commitment they made. Now they unilaterally changed the policy to the disadvantage of us. I know there's never a guarantee for any offer for being in ESF Kindie, but at least we should be honoured what the school has committed when we applied. Now we have no choice but to buy our kids insurance by applying more schools as back-up. Totally disappointing.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-7 12:44
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 17-4-7 12:52 編輯
If ESF's intention of introducing the new arrangement is to guard against "stamp collectors" holding on to multiple seats for extensive periods and clogging up the system, what ESF should do is to stick to the current arrangement but perform cross-checking between their schools to ensure an applicant can only hold 1 seat at any one time.
Take a hypothetical but typical example of applicants applying to both SJS and RC and treating RC as a backup. Lets say they are wait-listed at SJS but receive offer from RC, so they accept RC's offer as a fail-safe, and then at some later time they also receive offer from SJS. The current arrangement allows them to hold on to multiple seats for as long as they like, but ESF can easily prevent that by performing a simple cross-check, and accepting a new offer will immediately void and release a previously accepted seat.
Is this necessarily "bad" for RC or any school that is treated as a backup? Yes it is troublesome to have to make new offers after someone gives up a seat, but the school also gets good money for it. It costs almost $90k to accept RC's offer and they will simply pocket this money if the seat is subsequently given up.
作者: Radiomama 時間: 17-4-7 13:08
Smart move to the school administration but disappoint the ESF kindies' parents.
So from now on, make up your mind to pick your preferences for primary. Anyway ESF kids will still enjoy their priority to have a higher chance to have interview. Otherwise you'll need to purchase NR or by luck.
For non ESF kids, still, interview is not a MUST. Make sure you have other plan.
作者: babyonboard 時間: 17-4-7 13:16
siubotze 發表於 17-4-7 12:13
As parents of ESF kindle K1 student, I am extremely discontent with the new policy. ESF sort of com ...
作者: babyonboard 時間: 17-4-7 13:29
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What you said is so true. I'm now thinking about the strategy to set preference.
作者: hong0706 時間: 17-4-7 13:49
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作者: babyonboard 時間: 17-4-7 13:56
hong0706 發表於 17-4-7 13:49
其實你哋第一步要做嘅，係將你哋嘅憂慮，同埋感覺到嘅不公平，反映比英基，今次政策改變先出大綱，六月先出 ...
作者: diablo3 時間: 17-4-7 14:20
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作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-7 14:32
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 17-4-7 23:33 編輯
hong0706 發表於 17-4-7 13:49
如果反响夠大，都唔係冇微調空間 ...
This is very true. A few years ago ESF was planning to stop giving interview priority to ESF kindergarten pupils altogether, and then this plan was suddenly withdrawn just before the start of primary school applications.
However the move to withdraw the plan albeit a sensible move did cause resentment among some parents because they took ESF's word and declined offers from ESF kindergartens believing their children would not have interview priority towards ESF primary schools.
So I wouldn't be surprised if this plan to introduce a new application arrangement will also be withdrawn sometime later this year before applications begin, I won't bet on it though.
作者: diablo3 時間: 17-4-7 14:49
FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-7 12:44
If ESF's intention of introducing the new arrangement is to guard against "stamp collectors" holding ...
Someone asked her any benefits for ESF kindie, she could not answer any. She kept on emphasizing how easy for the school.
I really wonder who doesnt plan to have a backup school...non-esf kids sure wont just apply RC too, they may as well give up RC finally. This new policy is kind of like PUNISHING esf kids. Old practise non-esf kids may not even get the interview chance, now they will have a higher chance to get it plus they have their own backup plans
But for esf kindie kids,it is like taking away their chances, cos they wont even be given a chance to get interview in 2nd school.
I will be emailing them my concern but it wont stop me from replying here too. As some esf kindie parents (and future ones)may not be aware of the risk they are facing now
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-4-7 15:19
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 17-4-7 15:21 編輯
diablo3 發表於 17-4-7 14:49
I really wonder who doesnt plan to have a backup school ...
Most people would arrange a backup, one would be stupid not to.
The new arrangement is essentially saying "Your application will only be assessed once by one ESF school, so your backup cannot be another ESF school, you'll have to look outside of ESF for backups".
In the case of a particular school (I won't say which one), they're essentially saying "I'm tired of being everyone's favourite backup in all these years, from now on if I'm not your first choice then please go away".
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-7 15:27
FattyDaddy 發表於 17-4-7 15:19
Most people would arrange a backup, one would be stupid not to.
The new arrangement is essentially ...
yep! so true!
作者: VVhuilee 時間: 17-4-7 15:32
diablo3 發表於 17-4-7 14:49
Totally! I guess their intention or I should say at least RC (cos the RC admission manager was the o ...
This is really punishment.... with this new system we would be assessed once and offered once only. The 2nd choice becomes 1st choice. Why would someone puting that school as 2nd choice has to be punished (bottom of the queue)? Then what is the point of puting 2nd choice?
作者: little-pig-pig 時間: 17-4-7 16:20
其實如果Sam 真係BHS冇位而去2nd choice RC, 佢都應該排名先過non-ESF kindy 學生（assume佢地揀RC係1st choice)? 因為佢地個priority list 都仲係esf kindy 學生先過非kindy 學生嘛
作者: 964000 時間: 17-4-7 16:24
I read from the other post RC is offering 160 spots to ESF kids and at the end only 60 take it. So I think they are really fed up as being the backup.
作者: babyonboard 時間: 17-4-7 16:38
diablo3 發表於 17-4-7 14:49
Totally! I guess their intention or I should say at least RC (cos the RC admission manager was the o ...
作者: Cara2006 時間: 17-4-7 16:43
964000 發表於 17-4-7 16:24
I read from the other post RC is offering 160 spots to ESF kids and at the end only 60 take it. So I ...
I would too if I were the admission officer. Who would not?
作者: diablo3 時間: 17-4-7 17:20
little-pig-pig 發表於 17-4-7 16:20
其實如果Sam 真係BHS冇位而去2nd choice RC, 佢都應該排名先過non-ESF kindy 學生（assume佢地揀RC係1st ch ...
作者: ddbb0099 時間: 17-4-7 17:25 標題: 回覆樓主:
咁讀esf k有乜好過讀其他k?
作者: ddbb0099 時間: 17-4-7 17:27 標題: 回覆樓主：
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作者: diablo3 時間: 17-4-7 17:38
964000 發表於 17-4-7 16:24
I read from the other post RC is offering 160 spots to ESF kids and at the end only 60 take it. So I ...
She is trying to do math tricks. There was only 162 seats in total, how could the school give out 170 offers to esf kindy alone? Are they over-offering that much? I heard many non esf kindy got offer of RC first round. I can still recall the same staff mentioned before that they DO NOT over-offer...how the math has gone wrong?
I again really think the acceptance rate is very disappointing to the school admission, but I believe non-esf kids do the same too. Why would they come up with a new policy to just punish the esf kids?
Why dont the 3 schools liaise with each other, maybe announce the result together, making the deposit deadline the same, so the parents wont be “stamp collector”...or as Fattydaddy has mentioned, just cross check with each other so that they wont be holding 2 schools or 3 at the same time.
I am sure all schools out there are facing many turn down after giving out the offers, this is how the backup thing all parents are doing, isnt it? No matter how smart your kid is, you will still apply for backup bcos you think there maybe chances he/she may fail the interview. If you are the lucky parents, you got all offer and you will have to give up the seat, so what is the big deal of having many turn down from the parents?
When PIS is not happy with that, they choose to punich esf kids, what a nice big family we are!
作者: bighead234 時間: 17-4-7 17:40
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still can enjoy the priority for interview if parents dun wanna try the luck of number drawing or paying for INR
作者: diablo3 時間: 17-4-7 17:43
ddbb0099 發表於 17-4-7 17:25
咁讀esf k有乜好過讀其他k?
The potential parents will then decide whether or not to choose to study in esf kindy in the future.
作者: bighead234 時間: 17-4-7 17:49
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good point
作者: ddbb0099 時間: 17-4-7 17:54
diablo3 發表於 17-4-7 17:43
So true...so pls all esf parents, pls send some noise to esf admission.What I think they can do is, ...
本帖最後由 ddbb0099 於 17-6-23 01:12 編輯
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作者: babyonboard 時間: 17-4-7 18:09
ddbb0099 發表於 17-4-7 17:54
我認為如果要轉新政策起碼2年後，讀緊k1既好似俾人賣豬仔咁，剛交留位$既我，覺得學校點解唔係在今年2月改 ...
作者: poonseelai 時間: 17-4-7 18:38 標題: 回覆樓主:
我理解之前90+% esf kindy 会上esf (假設包括60個去RC)，如果%不变，可唔可以講如一心入foundation 的學生影響应該不大
作者: wongalison 時間: 17-4-7 18:59
有冇人知依家first round 有約幾多% esf kindie 有y1 offer (包括RC & DC)?
作者: florenceshum 時間: 17-4-7 23:39
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Agree! Let's raise our concern together!!!
作者: happeecc 時間: 17-4-8 13:32
Majority parents I know have foundation school as 1st choice and RC/DC as backup.
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-8 14:39
diablo3 發表於 17-4-7 17:38
While I think the acceptance rate is really low, she didnt mention the acceptance rate of non-esf kids. Do you think non-esf got offered of RC and 100% accepted it?
No schools will have 100% acceptance rate of offer.
But it was probably that non-esf kinder kids have much much higher acceptance rate.
作者: Petitechien 時間: 17-4-8 21:32 標題: 回覆：Change in application policy for ESF
Esf kids will lose the advantage that they enjoyed before. It will be a bit unfair to some esf kinder kids. For example some live in discovery bay are under Bradbury zone. Before they will apply Bradbury and DC. Bradbury is back up . Now if they can submit one applicationWhich one should they put as their first choice. I think if they review the admission policy they should also review the zoning. Currently certain flaws exist. Some area are oversubscribed and some are under. They know the problem but they turn a blind eye to it as they will have all places taken anyway.
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-8 22:36
happeecc 發表於 17-4-8 13:32
Majority parents I know have foundation school as 1st choice and RC/DC as backup.
This is true but fact is, even the two PIS are now over subscribed.Whether they are considered first choice or second choice or third choice, they do not lack applicants.
So I do believe it is quite fair for the schools to prefer taking students that put them as first choice.
If you want so much to get into RC/DC, put them as first choice. That solve the problems.
作者: babyonboard 時間: 17-4-9 06:50
Petitechien 發表於 17-4-8 21:32
Esf kids will lose the advantage that they enjoyed before. It will be a bit unfair to some esf kinde ...
作者: alblanc 時間: 17-4-10 08:47
Chase922 發表於 17-4-5 07:09
Effective from August 2017, Year 1 and Year 7 Central Admissions process for August 2018 entry will ...
現時所有ESF schools 都沒有政府資助，這個對ESF schools 收生的質數有影響嗎？會否偏向選擇有能力付擔學費的家庭，而不是有質素的學生？
作者: SpringRollLover 時間: 17-4-10 09:45 標題: 回覆樓主:
小朋友嚟緊會開始abacus k1！想問下點解大家都會揀foundation school 而pis做backup? 我自己住西貢區所以返CWBS or RC都方便， 兩間學校分別會好大？
作者: wongalison 時間: 17-4-10 10:47
SpringRollLover 發表於 17-4-10 09:45
小朋友嚟緊會開始abacus k1！想問下點解大家都會揀foundation school 而pis做backup? 我自己住西貢區所以返 ...
I chose RC for traditional chinese and better sch facilities.
我諗以前係因為有政府資助, foundation schools平好多, 而且PIS新d冇咁耐歷史, 而家我諗除咗地點問題之外, 會多咗人揀PIS!
作者: 貝珠 時間: 17-4-10 11:57
alblanc 發表於 17-4-10 08:47
現時所有ESF schools 都沒有政府資助，這個對ESF schools 收生的質數有影響嗎？會否偏向選擇有能力付擔學 ...
從來esf 也是non-selective school , 宜家佢都claim 自己係non-selective . 你如何覺得以前學生質素高d？而現在不是呢？
作者: 貝珠 時間: 17-4-10 12:00
wongalison 發表於 17-4-10 10:47
I chose RC for traditional chinese and better sch facilities.
我諗以前係因為有政府資助, foundation ...
My preference is RC too. But I heard many will choose esf foundation school due to its long history and Better IB result ( says SJS / KGV ), even RC is catching up in IB score
作者: 964000 時間: 17-4-10 12:23
alblanc 發表於 17-4-10 08:47
現時所有ESF schools 都沒有政府資助，這個對ESF schools 收生的質數有影響嗎？會否偏向選擇有能力付擔學 ...
不用擔心，仍然有很多又負擔到，又有質素的學生。
作者: nintendo 時間: 17-4-10 15:02
本帖最後由 nintendo 於 17-4-10 15:09 編輯
alblanc 發表於 17-4-10 08:47
現時所有ESF schools 都沒有政府資助，這個對ESF schools 收生的質數有影響嗎？會否偏向選擇有能力付擔學 ...
學校唔會叫家長提供收入證明，根本唔可能知家長經濟背景。
而且，大把貴過 ESF 好多的學校，一樣收到有質素學生。
作者: happymama2007 時間: 17-4-10 19:17
本帖最後由 happymama2007 於 17-4-10 19:19 編輯
nintendo 發表於 17-4-8 22:36
This is true but fact is, even the two PIS are now over subscribed.Whether they are considered firs ...
個問題係新制度下，不論PIS同foundation school (尤其係PIS)會多左好多non ESF kinder 既學生有得IN。咁喺ESF kinder 玩足兩年既學生點會夠佢地爭？
除非佢個system係會Interview 晒有priority 既學生，比晒offer比符合要求既學生，先再in冇priority既學生
其實佢個system係點？
作者: alblanc 時間: 17-4-10 21:39
貝珠 發表於 17-4-10 11:57
從來esf 也是non-selective school , 宜家佢都claim 自己係non-selective . 你如何覺得以前學生質素高d？ ...
Non-selective means? 你意思是ESF向來不會考慮所收學生的能力和質數？
我認識有子女在ESF讀的不多，但大部分都是高學歷背景的，而不是富有一族；
ESF 沒有了政府資助後，所有foundation schools 的學費已和PIS 看齊後，其實對現時PIS學校有咩影響？
作者: 貝珠 時間: 17-4-10 21:50
alblanc 發表於 17-4-10 21:39
Non-selective means? 你意思是ESF向來不會考慮所收學生的能力和質數？
我認識有子女在ESF讀的不多，但 ...
Non - selective 意思係主要看英語溝通能力，社交能力，pass 到requirement 之後再按priority及random number 收生。英基向來不是拔尖的學校。假如，申請人A能力超過同齡，英文及social skill 也合乎預期，而申請人B能力一般，英文及social skill 只是合格。假設兩個申請人皆冇priority , 但如申請人B random number 高d，esf 會收申請人B 先
作者: 貝珠 時間: 17-4-10 21:51
alblanc 發表於 17-4-10 21:39
Non-selective means? 你意思是ESF向來不會考慮所收學生的能力和質數？
我認識有子女在ESF讀的不多，但 ...
家長高學歷唔代表d乜，也不代表學生質素
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