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作者: poonseelai 時間: 16-12-8 09:05

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學生有咩分別？

又開這類post?

作者: Antonyliang 時間: 16-12-16 18:31

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作者: susumi123 時間: 16-12-16 21:12

Antonyliang 發表於 16-12-16 18:31
沒有區別，很多能力是天生的，未必與讀什麼學校有關，主要是以後工作的地方英文重要還是中文重要，其實 IS ...

咁其實讀國際學校學生係咪大多數都無諗住第時香港做野？

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 16-12-16 23:18

Antonyliang 發表於 16-12-16 18:31
沒有區別，很多能力是天生的，未必與讀什麼學校有關，主要是以後工作的地方英文重要還是中文重要，其實 IS ...

把選校問題變成選語言, 太太太簡化了。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 16-12-16 23:20

susumi123 發表於 16-12-16 21:12
咁其實讀國際學校學生係咪大多數都無諗住第時香港做野？

我老細老細, 就係KGV 畢業, 英國大學, 回港一路做到而家。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 16-12-16 23:21

susumi123 發表於 16-12-16 21:12
咁其實讀國際學校學生係咪大多數都無諗住第時香港做野？

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作者: Antonyliang 時間: 16-12-16 23:48

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susumi123 發表於 16-12-16 21:12
咁其實讀國際學校學生係咪大多數都無諗住第時香港做野？

其實IS學生第時好大機會無人請的。千其唔好讀。

作者: Antonyliang 時間: 16-12-17 01:05

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作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-12-17 01:35

Antonyliang 發表於 16-12-17 01:05
現在香港所有的東西都是以英文定標準的，中文只是起輔助的作用。以後怎樣就不知道了 ...

當然是用普通話，唔係點體現祖國的偉大，香港的渺小。

作者: 964000 時間: 16-12-17 08:03

samsam123321 發表於 16-12-17 00:45
其實IS學生第時好大機會無人請的。千其唔好讀。

有些工作的確limit左

作者: hoshi88h 時間: 16-12-26 19:54 標題: 回覆：IS vs LS 學生各方面能力

I think IS is stronger in developing independence and problem solving. Local school better at developing concentration and focus skills.

作者: hkparent 時間: 16-12-27 18:03 標題: 引用：Quote:samsam123321+發表於+16-12-17+00:45

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有些工作的確limit左

If your child plans to work in Hong Kong in future, better study at a local school. If your child has a foreign passport/ right of work or abode and can choose to work either in hk or overseas, IS is a good choice.

作者: Jane1983 時間: 16-12-27 18:52

只以語言去選校，有點以偏概全。如果讀IS，能達到合理的中文程度，競爭力會比local school高。

作者: papaof2 時間: 16-12-28 09:30

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作者: slowlyslowly 時間: 16-12-28 11:03

點解IS 會冇人請？

作者: Saboc 時間: 16-12-28 12:26

小一升學亦有家長問類似：英基VS喇沙

作者: Saboc 時間: 16-12-28 12:29

我指小一選校討論區嗰邊

作者: Saboc 時間: 16-12-28 12:31

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某些工作limit咗，但考有些工作又會有優勢！其實不能一概而論

作者: nintendo 時間: 16-12-28 17:05

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Saboc 發表於 16-12-28 12:26
小一升學亦有家長問類似：英基VS喇沙

我剛去看了那個 topic。
ESF 要考，大把 ESF kindergarten 學生考唔到。
喇沙唔駛考，但靠計分派位，聽聞以往試過 alumni 仔都入唔到。
真係兩邊都有 offer 咁好采，機會唔會高，討論冇意思，真係有兩間 offer 先算。
再講，香港人原來仍然未知醒，家長仍然留在，以為國際學校"數學和中文都弱＋英文唔識 grammar" 的心態。甚至講到 "紀律"。
其實，真係唔好以為 LS 數學和中文有好大優勢。
我識有外藉學生入了 HKU LLB，人地只係讀 Chinese B SL，普通話流利過好多香港人。
HKU 定 CUHK，連 MEDI 都收咗個鬼仔。
大學的認同，比 BK 師奶的吹牛更有份量。
至於甚麼 english grammar 或紀律，要以為 IS 差，也由佢地。
講明，我唔係嚟踩場，不過提醒大家要客觀，做人要看得闊少少。
我們仔女已大學，(細女上個月已有外國名大 offer)，我只係唔想有其他人被誤導。
IS 和 LS ，各有特色，選擇邊條路，各有前因。
以英基VS喇沙為例，無論係考英基，還是喇沙派位，家長冇可能掌握在手。
唔好以為自己真係咁威有得㨂。
我只出這文，不再回覆。

作者: Moonlight819 時間: 16-12-28 17:17

nintendo 發表於 16-12-28 17:05
我剛去看了那個 topic。
ESF 要考，大把 ESF kindergarten 學生考唔到。
喇沙唔駛考，但靠計分派位，聽聞 ...

作者: 964000 時間: 16-12-28 17:42

nintendo 發表於 16-12-28 17:05
我剛去看了那個 topic。
ESF 要考，大把 ESF kindergarten 學生考唔到。
喇沙唔駛考，但靠計分派位，聽聞 ...

看了那邊，似乎很多人仍覺得IS是1.入吾到local名校的後備。2.小學讀local中學讀IS 是(emoji)取晒兩邊的好處。
兩點我都不讚同

，只能説：明的就明吾明就吾明

作者: slowlyslowly 時間: 16-12-28 17:50

無錯，我身邊好多朋友問我點解唔試左local跟唔到先去IS，而IS就一定等同吸毐同好除便，有錢就入得，好似避難所咁，講到一錢不值...

作者: Saboc 時間: 16-12-28 19:03

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答都答到悶

作者: Antonyliang 時間: 16-12-28 21:44

讀IS，生活在大部份人說中文的地方，只要用心，一般中文不會不好，有些長輩沒有上過學校讀書，中文讀寫都可以很好

作者: samsam123321 時間: 16-12-29 19:33

IS學生畢業多數用咩工？

作者: Radiomama 時間: 16-12-29 20:20

samsam123321 發表於 16-12-29 19:33
IS學生畢業多數用咩工？

家族中從IS 畢業的有三位醫生、一位大律師、一位獸醫；LS畢業的有一位老師、三位會計師、一位高級公務員。

結論是：只要肯讀，IS or LS都可以啊

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 16-12-29 21:18

Antonyliang 發表於 16-12-28 21:44
讀IS，生活在大部份人說中文的地方，只要用心，一般中文不會不好，有些長輩沒有上過學校讀書，中文讀寫都可 ...

敝在佢每日在校時間多過屋企, 朋友也是英文人。

作者: siden 時間: 16-12-30 15:22

hoshi88h 發表於 16-12-26 19:54
I think IS is stronger in developing independence and problem solving. Local school better at develo ...

Well said. Each has its own advantage and drawback.

作者: Kittybama 時間: 16-12-31 10:44

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作者: LittleHoot 時間: 16-12-31 13:38

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_WSJUNxPZc

A quiet clear view on this topic. No comments on which one is better than another. Just how do you want your kids to be like.

作者: LittleHoot 時間: 16-12-31 13:46

The future of a kid is not categorized by by which school the kid attends, I believe it is replied on parents 's view! Last year top HK students' view are being Doctors. So you are your kids!

作者: Kittybama 時間: 16-12-31 15:48

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作者: LittleHoot 時間: 16-12-31 17:15

Parents's views Influence kids all the way since birth. Philosophy, values, and etc.

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作者: LittleHoot 時間: 16-12-31 23:06

So do not put which career is best to your kid's mind. Do not calculate how many graduates becoming doctors, lawyers from
which school... which does not mean anything.

Develop them abilities and expend their interests, let them to explore, to be independent!

作者: careysum 時間: 17-1-1 09:08

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我一個女讀LS, 現在在UK讀緊大學Y3, 另一個女讀緊IS嘅小學G2, 其實IS同LS都無得比較話能力邊樣好d，因為根本係完全唔同嘅野，各有各好，只是我自己個人唔係好認同香港嘅教學理念，所以先同細女入IS, 至於話IS嘅學生嘅英文只係睇聽識講唔識寫，又話唔識英文Grammar，又話有錢就入得，又話盲字都唔識多隻，又話我浪費左個女...聽過好多，其實，已經聽到麻目，要講嘅人由佢講，我只係見到我細女每日返學好開心，每日都主動追住d知識學，放學有大量時間做自己野同睇書，假期係零功課，可以去旅行去玩，暫時未有考試壓力，大量親子時間，返學期間，仍然可以訓到11個鈡，完全有足夠睡眠時間，只係以上嘅種種，已經令我更加覺得無選擇錯，唯一後悔係當初無比大女讀IS, 佢喺LS成績係好好，但如果當初我係比佢讀IS, 相信佢成個人會更加好。

作者: 964000 時間: 17-1-1 10:11

careysum 發表於 17-1-1 09:08
我一個女讀LS, 現在在UK讀緊大學Y3, 另一個女讀緊IS嘅小學G2, 其實IS同LS都無得比較話能力邊樣好d，因為根 ...

Thanks for your sharing, that's what I thought too

作者: fabei 時間: 17-1-1 10:30

nintendo 發表於 16-12-28 17:05
我剛去看了那個 topic。
ESF 要考，大把 ESF kindergarten 學生考唔到。
喇沙唔駛考，但靠計分派位，聽聞 ...

I agree with you!

作者: hoshi88h 時間: 17-1-1 11:11 標題: 回覆：IS vs LS 學生各方面能力

I voted with my feet, my girl had local dragon kindie and IS offer. We chose IS because my husband and I want to see her character development into more independent n confidence over academic. So far very happy with her development. I think it is pointless to compare the 2 systems... It really comes down to what aligns to parenting values.

作者: hoshi88h 時間: 17-1-1 11:14 標題: 回覆：IS vs LS 學生各方面能力

I really don't agree with this narrow view. I worked in many international firms and I think IS foreign students have advantage.

作者: Kittybama 時間: 17-1-1 11:57

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作者: lui 時間: 17-1-1 12:56

Kittybama 發表於 16-12-31 15:48
若到入大學選科還要聽命於父母或受父母嚴重影響的人，入到甚麼神科也不值得替他/她高興，這也是反映了失敗 ...

你這句十分認同

作者: Gmama 時間: 17-1-3 16:04

careysum 發表於 17-1-1 09:08
我一個女讀LS, 現在在UK讀緊大學Y3, 另一個女讀緊IS嘅小學G2, 其實IS同LS都無得比較話能力邊樣好d，因為根 ...

恭喜你選擇了這樣開心的學校給女兒，我也是期望我小朋友能考到心儀的lS，也極度嚮往冇功課的快樂親子時間，我極不喜歡LS，因為小時候也曾經在LS就讀，中學，小學也是Band1，但又如何，我不享受上學，後來在外國就讀高中及大學，便明白不同教育上的極大分別
講真，要考入lS真的不容易，大把人交完Form，連面試機會也冇呢！點入呀？仲要話將來冇人請添？我識好幾個本地大學的講師，教授，他們一定知道LS及lS學生的分別，根本不同層次喎！

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-3 21:16

Gmama 發表於 17-1-3 16:04
恭喜你選擇了這樣開心的學校給女兒，我也是期望我小朋友能考到心儀的lS，也極度嚮往冇功課的快樂親子時間 ...

有咩層次唔同呢？

作者: hoshi88h 時間: 17-1-3 21:56 標題: 回覆：samsam123321 的帖子

Perspective 同exploration skills 唔同. Local school 太spoon feed, D學生應變能力差D

作者: Moonlight819 時間: 17-1-3 22:22

Gmama 發表於 17-1-3 16:04
恭喜你選擇了這樣開心的學校給女兒，我也是期望我小朋友能考到心儀的lS，也極度嚮往冇功課的快樂親子時間 ...

你過來人分享最真實和有意思！

作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-3 22:50

hoshi88h 發表於 17-1-3 21:56
Perspective 同exploration skills 唔同. Local school 太spoon feed, D學生應變能力差D

Not necessarily. It depends on individuals. Both my children study in IS and I was brought up in complete local system. I think I used to be far more independent and resilient than them. I think as parents get to be more sophisticated, we tend to intervene too much (myself too). As a result, the new generation gets less and less resilient. No matter it's IS or LS, the most important thing as parent should do is to let go.

作者: hoshi88h 時間: 17-1-4 09:19 標題: 回覆：ratafan 的帖子

Of course, school is only one element of child development. There are lots more aspects such as character, home values, etc... I think it just comes down to choosing a school that aligns - however, I do think generally speaking IS students tend to have better language and problem solving capabilities compare to LS.

作者: Kittybama 時間: 17-1-4 10:31

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作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-4 10:56

Kittybama 發表於 17-1-4 10:31
依家係講緊general speaking or in general或統計學上的平均、趨勢及標準差異度，等等。 ...

I dare not generalise. Both LS and IS would excel. Some kids in IS can hv very gross behaviour too but some very disciplined.

作者: behd 時間: 17-1-4 11:04

Discipline 好唔好同讀IS LS 冇関係，名校學生都有偷竊同吸毒。E d係好睇本身家教

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作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-4 12:21

Kittybama 發表於 17-1-4 12:09
單看你這段回應，就看得出來自LS畢業的典型思維狹益。
一般權威型父母都會覺得自己孩子有許多地方不足，需 ...

I welcome different views. I was also expressing my views as well and I would not easily jump to absolute conclusion like you. The purpose of this thread is to compare 2 systems, therefore I would tend to express my observations from different angles too.
I advice to the person who raised this question is that it is better to stay objective and don't focus too much on comparing the success or achievement of kids from the 2 systems.
Pls read carefully my message above, I was just quoting my observation on my children, I didn't try to generalise that's the case for everyone too.

作者: Kittybama 時間: 17-1-4 12:29

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作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-4 12:45

Kittybama 發表於 17-1-4 12:29
可是，你的表達方式有問題，讓人覺得你不認同LS與IS有明顯分別。而你舉的所謂Counter-example也不合適（我 ...

Frankly speaking, I thought IS would be much better than LS when my kids were small. However i still hv doubts of whether that's true or not. So I tend not to jump to absolute conclusion. But one thing for sure, kids hv much better work life balance in IS. Again, I don't link that to academic success.
When choosing between IS vs LS, to certain extent, it really depends on your intuitive sense.

作者: nintendo 時間: 17-1-4 13:03

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Radiomama 發表於 16-12-29 20:20
家族中從IS 畢業的有三位醫生、一位大律師、一位獸醫；LS畢業的有一位老師、三位會計師、一位高級公務員。

結論是：只要肯讀，IS or LS都可以啊

I think the reason why many parents are trying to compare IS vs LS is not because of the "outcome".

As your son is also in IS, I am sure you would agree that we do not only look for "outcome".
We also care about the "process".
IS and LS have very different ways of teaching and nurturing students.
The most obvious would be in primary school, when the teaching style are not even similar.
But even in secondary school or even at the level of IBDP, you will see that IS and LS are very different.
I am not going to say which is better: there is no such thing as "better", but different parents have different views of a "more suitable" style.
One thing parents need to bare in mind. If you choose IS, be prepared that your child might have a very different set of goals or priority compared to a typical local child.

The percentage of top score (scores with 43 or up) students going off to 非神科 is definitely much higher in a typical IS IB program than local IB program.

PS For those who cares, please re-read what I said here. I have never said IS is better. In fact, I do not think IS or LS can be suitable for everyone. So ultimately, choose whatever YOU LIKE. And thus, no need to "remind" me how wonderful LS is.

作者: 964000 時間: 17-1-5 00:08

If you check out the ESF website, when they invited inspiring alumni for interview they were TV chef, mountaineering expert, philanthropist, Olympic swimmer etc but no doctors/Lawers/successful entrepreneurs etc
Of course there are plenty of alumni who were the later but you can see the prospectus of the school from this example. As a parent see if you like this way or not and if this is in line with your own expectation. There is no absolute good or bad.

作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-5 07:12

Let me go back to the thread's question. Here is the difference I observe :
1/ IS kids speak only English with their schoolmates vs LS mainly speak Chinese
2/ in most IS, they offer one more third language outside English and Chinese(Chinese will usually be streamed depending on your kid's ability). One of my children's school even has a foreign language which is mandatory (Chinese is their 3rd language)
3/ in IS, a majority of children are having foreign passports
4/ IS kids tend to take risks in the activities they engage in. They send children out to go diving, expedition in desert, skiing, building houses for the less privileged every year. That can be eye opening. All these need to be paid by parents of course. In mainstream LS, we seldom hv these kinds of activities

作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-5 07:15

But the resources offered by different LS can differ a lot. Some private or DSS LS may also be able to offer more activities to children as they hv bigger autonomy on where money can be spent. However it is never comparable to IS.
I cannot generalise on specific ability of IS vs LS students as that really depends on individuals, but 2 things for sure:
1/ most IS students hv better English but Chinese is not as good as LS children
2/ students from IS are mostly from better off families

作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-5 07:20

Kittybama 發表於 17-1-4 12:09
單看你這段回應，就看得出來自LS畢業的典型思維狹益。
一般權威型父母都會覺得自己孩子有許多地方不足，需 ...

Pls mind your aggressive language in judging the perspective of local graduates. This is supposed to be a platform for more experienced parents to share the views to those who need help.

作者: hkparent 時間: 17-1-5 10:46 標題: 引用：Quote:Gmama+發表於+17-1-3+16:04+恭喜你選

原帖由 samsam123321 於 17-01-03 發表
有咩層次唔同呢？

LS students tend to wait for material to be taught and notes to be distributed by the lecturer, then study them and prepare for examinations. In the workplace, they wait for the boss to give them directions and then work hard to serve the boss. IS students tend to think and discuss issues with the lecturer when preparing for and attending lectures, and are then stimulated to raise open questions and do their own research to answer the questions. In the workplace, they anticipate problems and address them before even being directed by the boss, and hence later they becomes bosses. This learning attitude is nurtured from primary school in IS.

作者: Gmama 時間: 17-1-5 22:18

samsam123321 發表於 17-1-3 21:16
有咩層次唔同呢？

績極主動性思考及發問，另一類學生比較被動，也極少發問問題

作者: callmebabe 時間: 17-1-7 10:28 標題: 回覆樓主:

有需要去比較咩

作者: hkparent 時間: 17-1-7 10:41 標題: 引用：有需要去比較咩

原帖由 callmebabe 於 17-01-07 發表
有需要去比較咩

It's important for those parents deciding to let their kids go for the LS or IS route. By the way, if someone is targeting to study law in future, IS is better. You can ask any lawyer from big firms. Native English tongue and IS type problem solving skills are important. But if you don't mind working in local smaller firms, LS can do.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-7 16:01

hkparent 發表於 17-1-7 10:41
It's important for those parents deciding to let their kids go for the LS or IS route. By the way, i ...

Big firm lawyers大部分都有native tongue.

作者: LittleHoot 時間: 17-1-7 22:54

Why so many parents in HK want kids to be lawyers? Don't understand!

作者: hkparent 時間: 17-1-8 08:27 標題: 回覆：LittleHoot 的帖子

One more point, if you want your kid to work as a civil servant in future, local school is better. Strong Chinese and being an obedient follower are required.

作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-8 10:28

hkparent 發表於 17-1-8 08:27
One more point, if you want your kid to work as a civil servant in future, local school is better. S ...

I'm not civil servant but my profession requires strong Chinese too.
Anyways for the past 20 years, with the open up of China, more and more opportunities arise. The niche of HK people is that they hv strong understanding of Chinese culture and possess strong ethical standard. The pathetic part is that HK government doesn't put a lot of resources on R&D. Therefore we are still playing a role as "servicing" large corporations to enter the China market. I really hope the new generation can help HK break through. But at this stage if we decide to stay in hk, Chinese is still playing a critical role.

作者: LittleHoot 時間: 17-1-8 16:44

本帖最後由 LittleHoot 於 17-1-8 16:46 編輯

I do not know how many of you actually went through Primany education overseas. I have seen so many kids totally wasted by 'happy' learning system at let we say 'western style' schools. Of cause, I am not with LS steam 100%, but I still believe foundation of learning is including hard working, drilling and repetition.

What are we focusing on 'happy learning' ? Happy or learning ? Or simply you do not think kids need to learn, so for that, why do we need to teach? And send them to school?

作者: Radiomama 時間: 17-1-8 17:21

LittleHoot 發表於 17-1-8 16:44
I do not know how many of you actually went through Primany education overseas. I have seen so many ...

Happy learning 不等於放任；happy learning也不等於沒有基礎學習。
小兒由K1 到Year 8在IB學制下已經歷了快樂的學習、也打穩了不錯的基礎。作為家長，我們信賴學校和孩子，到中學階段，培養的重點是自主學習和奮鬥心。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 17-1-8 18:11

本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 17-1-8 18:12 編輯

LittleHoot 發表於 17-1-8 16:44
What are we focusing on 'happy learning' ? Happy or learning ? Or simply you do not think kids need to learn, so for that, why do we need to teach? And send them to school? ...

You seem to think "happy" and "learning" are mutually exclusive, if you're happy you can't really learn, and if you want to learn it must be done through drilling and repetition and so can't be happy.

May be there is a way to happily learn, just that you don't believe in it.

作者: Choochootrain 時間: 17-1-8 18:26

Why learning = unhappy? 人自從一出世已經學習，學習呼吸，學習飲食，學習爬，坐，走路，學習人際....咁即是人生一開始就已經unhappy?

作者: hkparent 時間: 17-1-8 18:28 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+LittleHoot+於+17-1-8+16:46+

原帖由 LittleHoot 於 17-01-08 發表
本帖最後由 LittleHoot 於 17-1-8 16:46 編輯

I do not know how many of you actually went through Pr ...

Sorry I have children who attended primary school overseas. It is very difficult to explain to you what and how students learn if you only received local Hong Kong education and do not have kids attending an international school. In fact, students work very hard in class and develop various essential skills and an independent learning attitude. As they have spent 6-7 hours in school, after school, children are encouraged to do sports and various ECAs, and read extensively. They also need to do a small amount of homework every day to consolidate learning. Minimal support from parents is necessary. If the primary school is a rigorous one with good academic results (based on regular standard tests nation-wide), some students will feel some pressure in class too, but not after school. I hope that helps, if you are serious in considering to send your child to an IS in hk.

作者: hkparent 時間: 17-1-8 18:36 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+LittleHoot+於+17-1-8+16:46+

原帖由 LittleHoot 於 17-01-08 發表
本帖最後由 LittleHoot 於 17-1-8 16:46 編輯

I do not know how many of you actually went through Pr ...

One point about drilling and repetition in western schools - students do a lot of repetition in maths in class, and have to write a lot in English, Science, Geography and History classes. If you read the class materials returned home at term end, you will be amazed at how such a small child can write so much and so nicely.

作者: hkparent 時間: 17-1-8 18:40 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+LittleHoot+於+17-01-08+發表

原帖由 hkparent 於 17-01-08 發表
One point about drilling and repetition in western schools - students do a lot of repetition in math ...

Even at lower primary, students have to write in response to open-ended questions, and devise their own questions in response to a discussion topic, being guided by the teacher. You will be amazed. But that's a norm.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-8 19:03

hkparent 發表於 17-1-8 08:27
One more point, if you want your kid to work as a civil servant in future, local school is better. S ...

其實做公務員無雙量，無長馮，進升慢（除左某些職系），是否真係咁好做？

作者: LittleHoot 時間: 17-1-8 19:09

Do not get me wrong. My kids are both at IS, I do not like LS from many reperspectives. But I do not like to plunge 'happy' learning to a kid. Learning is hard overall and it takes time and efforts.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-8 19:09

LittleHoot 發表於 17-1-7 22:54
Why so many parents in HK want kids to be lawyers? Don't understand!

唔係個個做到。主要是人工還是比較高。香港地生活指數高無財還是不行。每個父母都唔想子女生活太差。

作者: Christi 時間: 17-1-8 19:32

LittleHoot 發表於 17-1-7 22:54
Why so many parents in HK want kids to be lawyers? Don't understand!

同問: 為什麼咁多家長希望子女讀醫?
講真,如果不是真的有興趣, 由大學一年級開始到實習到行醫,生活是無窮無止的讀書和評核,忙碌和壓力. 而且, 好難可以返轉頭.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-8 20:01

LittleHoot 發表於 17-1-8 19:09
Do not get me wrong. My kids are both at IS, I do not like LS from many reperspectives. But I do no ...

take time and effort 都唔一定係unhappy.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-8 20:12

IS學生其實都可以好懶，視乎父母點教育小朋友。
LS學生都可以高水準。
LS中文寫作大部分都好些。IS英文大部分都好些。
至於講普通話，IS學生可以做到發音好準的，講未必會差過LS，在普通話口語可能會更好。

作者: macdullbaby 時間: 17-1-8 20:44

做人係應該不斷學習，不斷進步（learning for life). 如果不能有happy learning, 就是很可憐了。

其實可不可以有happy learning, 係要看看學校和家長有沒有給予小朋友正面的教育態度和環境，令小朋友愛上學習，有正確的學習態度。

學習態度是很個人，而且伴隨一生，反而老師/家長只是在旁邊給予機會、環境和支持，到了某時段就會淡出，要靠小朋友自己。

所以 happy 和 learning 應該並存，才可以learning for life in positive approach

作者: LittleHoot 時間: 17-1-8 21:31

本帖最後由 LittleHoot 於 17-1-8 21:38 編輯

it is like climbing mountains. When you are at the top and seeing the views, you can feel every efforts or time are worthy ( or not worthy). But on the way to top, is not easy, it is a hard process. Sure, we can encourage our kids to enjoy the side-views of climbing, be positive. But only when yout kids reach to top, then they can draw the conclusion.

作者: macdullbaby 時間: 17-1-8 22:26

要成功就需要付出，這是必然和必需。付出的過程可能係會辛苦，但不等於痛苦或者不快樂。過程可以艱辛但愉快的。

作者: Artie 時間: 17-1-8 23:33

小兒在 IB 小學時，一點也不 hea，反而老師要求十分高，因此多年來根底打得十分好。
然而在課程的高要求下，他冇話辛苦，即使在忙碌的 IBDP，他仍然可以有期待返學的心態，整體，返學是很 "快樂"。
學習路上，必要努力，但努力忙碌之餘，也可以快樂。
另一方面，亦不要假設快樂的孩子學唔到嘢。

作者: hkparent 時間: 17-1-9 05:50 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+LittleHoot+於+17-1-8+21:38+

原帖由 LittleHoot 於 17-01-08 發表
本帖最後由 LittleHoot 於 17-1-8 21:38 編輯

it is like climbing mountains. When you are at the top ...

I myself had gone through the local hk education before going overseas, and concluded that much of my previous efforts studying in hk had been wasted and NOT worthwhile, especially the days and nights of studying and regurgitating the materials 'taught' by teachers. In the local education, for most teachers, 'teaching' means telling the students knowledge in the textbook, giving them a summary of the chapter in the textbook. If the students can 'remember' the materials and notes and reproduce them in examinations, they can score high marks. I don't find such skill any useful in university and the workplace. Much of that 'knowledge' has been forgotten. I don't want my child to waste such time.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-9 11:55

hkparent 發表於 17-1-9 05:50
I myself had gone through the local hk education before going overseas, and concluded that much of m ...

其實我自己十分懷疑學文言文的用途

作者: LittleHoot 時間: 17-1-9 14:49

本帖最後由 LittleHoot 於 17-1-9 16:11 編輯

None of text book knowledge is useful anyhow anymore. It is printed, which means it is quite out of date. You learned methodologies from your teacher how to summarize, how to prioritize, how to prepare,how to get foucused ,which I believe are more important than 'knowledge' itself. And I hope you can appreciate a bit for those abilities you gained from your LS study.

Necessary training is important for kids, somehow, how much is enough. LS is very strong on training up kids' mind, developeing fundermental skills,to my option. But after certain age, they need to free up kids, so kids can practice those skills they learned from past few years and do something they are interested. Project-based assignment, individual or groups. Motivate kids with their own drive. That is the main issue I have with LS.
In terms of 'Happy learning', I think diff person diff view.

Saying too much on this thread, will just drop here.

作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-9 23:07

samsam123321 發表於 17-1-9 11:55
其實我自己十分懷疑學文言文的用途

It's not about practice use l. It's an appreciation of the language or text. You can read and understand a lot of ancient text if you comprehend it. Like Shakespeare. You don't know what you are missing if you haven't read it before. But unfortunately kids in IS have literally zero access to 文言文

作者: hkparent 時間: 17-1-10 07:09 標題: 回覆：ratafan 的帖子

Does IBDP Chinese B teach any Chinese literature? I understand IS students can at most take Chinese B, not Chinese A. I know English B teaches some English literature.

作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-10 07:15

hkparent 發表於 17-1-10 07:09
Does IBDP Chinese B teach any Chinese literature? I understand IS students can at most take Chinese ...

Chinese B is easier. For 2nd Lang. No idea for English B as I believe IS requires English A only. And Eng Lang & Lit and Eng Lit are 2 subjects.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-10 15:11

ratafan 發表於 17-1-9 23:07
It's not about practice use l. It's an appreciation of the language or text. You can read and under ...

讀古文，起碼對我無意義。讀多一門modern language 好過。文學都可以有現代文學。

作者: Artie 時間: 17-1-10 21:05

hkparent 發表於 17-1-10 07:09
Does IBDP Chinese B teach any Chinese literature? I understand IS students can at most take Chinese ...

There is literature component for Language B HL.
No literature at all for Language B SL.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 17-1-18 20:52

想問一下各IS的功課量是否很不同？

作者: koala_xin 時間: 17-1-18 22:12

本帖最後由 koala_xin 於 17-1-19 13:40 編輯

I had the chance to teach elite secondary students in university summer program, both from LS and IS. Some are just from quite normal local school, not those hot DSS or private schools.
I would say, top students from both LS and IS are really all smart!! They are equally good in many aspects.

作者: ratafan 時間: 17-1-19 11:08

koala_xin 發表於 17-1-18 22:12
I had the chance to taught elite secondary students in university summer program, both from LS and I ...

Agreed with you! It really depends on individuals and how they are brought up by parents. Schools offer a platform for them to grow. They differ only in terms of atmosphere and style.

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