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作者: frenchfries 時間: 16-9-22 10:02 標題: 點判斷鋼琴老師好唔好

想揾鋼琴老師教6級，小朋友試完幾個，覺得個個差唔多，點揀好？

作者: Oboe_FRSM 時間: 16-9-22 10:56

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作者: bebebe12345 時間: 16-9-22 12:00

找得太多的確會令自己的感覺複雜化、
每位所"講"的都似乎有點道理!
找到其他的資料作為參考是最重要的一環!
說實在、學的孩子選教的、教的亦在選學的。
只有一點、當發覺學得不理想、早轉早享受!
孩子、老師、家長.....三者配合、缺一不可!

作者: heebo 時間: 16-9-22 12:06

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個人認為，除了資歷經驗好及學生考試成績理想之外，最重要是要與你的小朋友夾，有要求，亦要有適當的鼓勵。

作者: Gina11 時間: 16-9-22 12:29 標題: 回覆：frenchfries 的帖子

本帖最後由 Gina11 於 16-9-22 12:37 編輯

如果用某樓主講，用成績來衡量老師好吾好，1來太長遠，二，如果一個吾努力練習嘅學生成績來決定一老師好與壞也不公平。我覺夾吾夾先係重點，另方面老師準時，出席率，有無經常更改課堂。家長嘅建議/要求老師點答同配合到嗎也是考慮因素。

有家長要求每學一首新曲要錄影（音），有老師不喜歡做，也有老師覺沒問題。（當然要視乎學生是否有此需要，呢D就係"配合"了）又或者學生測考真係練唔哂，要求老師不用教新曲，溫習舊曲先。有家長同我反映老師無理，同樣比全部新曲。（我自己就會視乎學生彈得OK嗎，佢無錯，我又唔想花多一星期再練，咁我會選擇彈新曲但份量不比太長）所以有時試堂只係比個機會家長老師見個面，談一談。太深入既野，真係要開始左，大家先會了解更多。
所有建議選個時間OK，價錢你又覺合理吧

作者: mansum92 時間: 16-9-22 13:58

Gina11 發表於 16-9-22 12:29
如果用某樓主講，用成績來衡量老師好吾好，1來太長遠，二，如果一個吾努力練習嘅學生成績來決定一老師好與 ...

我從來都唔要求老師配合我，我會叫阿仔配合老師。

作者: Gina11 時間: 16-9-22 14:11 標題: 引用：Quote:Gina11+發表於+16-9-22+12:29+ 如果

原帖由 mansum92 於 16-09-22 發表
我從來都唔要求老師配合我，我會叫阿仔配合老師。

哈哈，不同人不同要求。這個世界有怪獸家長，有虎媽，也有無要求/千依百順型。

作者: aeiou_drm 時間: 16-9-22 17:33 標題: 回覆：點判斷鋼琴老師好唔好

請教~

如果5~6 級的歌，一般幾多堂教完一首歌? 要覆琴覆到什麼程度才開新歌?

作者: Sypmum 時間: 16-9-22 18:05

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講得好!!!

作者: yannie_man 時間: 16-9-22 18:29 標題: 引用：Quote:Gina11+發表於+16-9-22+12:29+ 如果

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作者: yannie_man 時間: 16-9-22 18:32 標題: 引用：請教~+ 如果5~6+級的歌，一般幾多堂教完一

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作者: Oboe_FRSM 時間: 16-9-22 19:26

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作者: yannie_man 時間: 16-9-23 00:18 標題: 引用：Quote:frenchfries+發表於+16-9-22+10:02+

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作者: heebo 時間: 16-9-23 08:06

yannie_man 發表於 16-9-23 00:18
極之同意！試一堂好難清楚！最重要搵個同小朋友夾的老師吧

非常同意！但如果已到5、6級，小朋友在試堂時或多或少應有感覺喜歡哪個老師多一點，或者哪種教法較適合，揾個夾的。

作者: Oboe_FRSM 時間: 16-9-23 08:42

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作者: heebo 時間: 16-9-23 08:55

Oboe_FRSM 發表於 16-9-23 08:42
I don't think you can totally depend on the kid to tell whether a teacher is suitable for him/her, ...

I don't mean totally because I assume the parent would have done some initial screening but the child's feeling also plays an important part. If the child is still small, he or she is more likely to take whatever you give (or choose for) him/her. But when he/she is older, there are more considerations.

Take my daughter's case as an example. When she started piano, she did whatever the teacher asked her to do. They got along, she did well and there was no problem. But when she became older, she needed another teacher and after having trial lessons with a few teachers, we found the most suitable teacher for her.

作者: 馬媽媽 時間: 16-9-23 14:28

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想請問正在教八級鋼琴老師, 你們會否彈一次樂曲給學生聽, 然後才仔細教.

作者: Oboe_FRSM 時間: 16-9-23 14:32

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作者: Pptwli 時間: 16-9-23 14:35

馬媽媽發表於 16-9-23 14:28
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想請問正在教八級鋼琴老師, 你們會否彈一次樂曲給學生聽, 然後才仔細教.

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會示範，亦會叫學生聽其他演奏者彈奏，引導學生判斷及分析處理音樂的不同做法

作者: 馬媽媽 時間: 16-9-23 14:38

yannie_man 發表於 16-9-22 18:32
視乎學生嘅睇譜能力及練習時數而定！一般學生若果每天練習1小時，平均2-3堂可完成一首曲

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Would you ask your student to increase the tempo (t=88 to 120) and adding dynamics? Can they do all within 2-3堂? How long is the piece?

作者: 馬媽媽 時間: 16-9-23 14:41

Pptwli 發表於 16-9-23 14:35
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會示範，亦會叫學生聽其他演奏者彈奏，引導學生判斷及分析處 ...

If you have not played that piece before or it is a very difficult piece, will you still 會示範?

I want to know the above because I have come across with a teacher who does not play any piece (whole piece). She just only demonstrate a very few portion of it and sometimes just demonstrate a bit. Is it a good teacher to teach higher grade?

作者: 馬媽媽 時間: 16-9-23 14:44

Oboe_FRSM 發表於 16-9-23 14:32
Personally I don't. There are recordings of much better players than me which can serve the purpos ...

You mean that you just play the recordings during the lesson or ask your students to listen at home. Then how you teach your student if you do not demonstrate?

作者: Pptwli 時間: 16-9-23 14:48

馬媽媽發表於 16-9-23 14:41
If you have not played that piece before or it is a very difficult piece, will you still 會示範?

I ...

高級既歌通常較長, 如果示範哂成首都夠鐘落堂了...

作者: Oboe_FRSM 時間: 16-9-23 14:52

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作者: 馬媽媽 時間: 16-9-23 14:54

Pptwli 發表於 16-9-23 14:48
高級既歌通常較長, 如果示範哂成首都夠鐘落堂了...

Will you demonstrate a portion e.g. 2 pages, which will only take about few minutes?
Personally, I cannot accept a teacher who teaches higher grades cannot demonstrate a portion when they teach the new piece.

作者: Oboe_FRSM 時間: 16-9-23 14:55

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作者: Pptwli 時間: 16-9-23 14:57

Oboe_FRSM 發表於 16-9-23 14:55
I don't know if he/she is a good teacher. The teacher's job is to teach, not to play. Only a worl ...

Well said.
A teacher is to teach, not to play.
But it's still effective for a teacher to demonstrate phrases to their students which is verbally hard to explain.

作者: Oboe_FRSM 時間: 16-9-23 14:58

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作者: 馬媽媽 時間: 16-9-23 15:06

Oboe_FRSM 發表於 16-9-23 14:52
I do not need to demonstrate in order to teach. Somehow my students are all doing great. I will d ...

Your students are all very smart !!

Sometimes, I find that the teacher is talking much but I do not know how to do. When I show her the CD and ask her some advices about how to play, she is not willing to answer and says that different persons have different styles. Then I find that it is very confusing. I want to ask why always I have to play first and then she corrects me. Why not she tell me or demonstrate properly to me?

作者: 馬媽媽 時間: 16-9-23 15:10

Oboe_FRSM 發表於 16-9-23 14:58
It is not a matter of able to demonstrate or not. My friend studied bassoon at the Paris Conservat ...

Let me take an example: a kid wants to learn swimming but his coach never goes into the water and demonstrate and just talking. Will you let your kid to learn swimming with him?

作者: Oboe_FRSM 時間: 16-9-23 15:16

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作者: heebo 時間: 16-9-23 15:29

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馬媽媽發表於 16-9-23 15:06
Your students are all very smart !!

Sometimes, I find that the teacher is talking much but I do no ...

Some teachers intentionally make their students play first so that the students can really try for themselves because it's easier to play after hearing it. Every teacher has his own way of teaching. Some would demonstrate and some wouldn't. In our experience, the teachers would demonstrate, depending on the length, sometimes only the more difficult part. During the lesson, my daughter would not be able to try to play the new piece though. The teacher only asked her to try the more difficult sections. That was it. I thought the teacher should at least make the student try once.

In your case, it looks like that you doubt the capability of your teacher. When you asked her to demonstrate, what was her response?

作者: mansum92 時間: 16-9-23 16:04

yannie_man 發表於 16-9-22 18:29
你係非常好的家長！既然選擇該老師，應該絕對信任老師！

多謝你，因為我根本唔識彈，咁當然老師點教我就點做啦。

作者: mansum92 時間: 16-9-23 16:10

馬媽媽發表於 16-9-23 15:10
Let me take an example: a kid wants to learn swimming but his coach never goes into the water and de ...

去到7，8級既歌，老師都係sightread幾句比小朋友聽，講番首曲應該係咩感覺，重點係邊度，至於點樣彈，份譜寫晒啦。我仔通常會聽幾個演奏家彈的版本，再諗下自己想點彈。

作者: jumbojet 時間: 16-9-23 16:25

I personally like music teachers that will also play the pieces . It makes the parent and student fall in love with the music. It helps instill the passion in music. We look forward to the weekly music lesson. Sometimes a teacher is a lot more than teaching , it's like a guidance. You need to have meet these teachers to know what I mean.

作者: lillymarie 時間: 16-9-23 16:31

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我仔的老師一定會示範怎樣彈首歌，講真八級或以下的歌無理由彈唔到，演奏級的就話難啫
齋講無示範，我跟阿仔去上堂上咗8年都吹到似層層架
不過老師極少由頭到尾演奏一次既，小朋友無心機聽啦。通常係教邊段就示範點樣彈，點樣演繹。阿仔已考完8級，現在老師除了示範之外，亦會叫他自己上YouTube聽下不同演奏家的演繹，從中學習不同的演繹方法。

其實好難只憑一次試堂就試出老師是否適合，通常只是拿個印象，起碼不會一開始就覺得反感先。起碼要上幾堂先知多D。我仔幾年前跟過一位老人家學了3堂，我怕怕立即替他轉老師。有時還要睇老師和孩子是否溝通得到。我仔之前的鋼琴老師好有料，阿仔都覺得她的演繹好些，奈何我仔總係唔明白她的要求，結果常常被她罵，搞到關係差。跟咗她幾年好唔捨得，但最後還是轉咗老師，新老師講既野和前老師差不多，只是表達方式不一樣，我仔却是接受。佢無福氣去跟個好一點的老師

作者: cdn 時間: 16-9-23 17:43 標題: 回覆：馬媽媽的帖子

認真: 兒童游泳教練是不會示範游幾個直池，但會落水，會督導

作者: Gina11 時間: 16-9-23 17:45 標題: 引用：認真:+兒童游泳教練是不會示範游幾個直池，

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認真: 兒童游泳教練是不會示範游幾個直池，但會落水，會督導

認同

作者: yannie_man 時間: 16-9-23 19:41 標題: 引用：Quote:yannie_man+發表於+16-9-22+18:32+視

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作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 16-9-24 19:20

我女跟左呢個老師十幾年。小女不才，而家至準備考七級（我無迫佢老師亦無迫），同期都考AT了。
我見佢地上堂，老師會先示範一次，一邊解釋邊度應該點演釋，呢首歌講咩，作者咩背景，技巧上有咩特別難處同容易出錯之處。
比賽、考琴，老師都會安排。我女雖然hea學，但咁多年黎比賽考試，經老師手都穩穩陣陣的。校際藍cert一大堆，紅cert都拎過兩次。
除左應付比賽考試外，老師會教唔同種類嘅歌。等學生認識多d都試下唔同野，發展下音樂感同培養興趣。有時有d值得聽嘅公開表演，老師自己帶晒成班學生入場，等家長唔駛買一張飛

唔駛pm我了，我少少分享啫，老師唔收新學生好耐了。

作者: LeeCC 時間: 16-9-24 22:01

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我覺得是否示範都會視乎學生的特性

我仔現任老師和之前的老師都唔會教之前示範，理由是我仔聽完老師彈就唔會看譜，憑記憶彈返首歌出來，這樣會學不到看譜

由一級歌開始,老師都係叫他自己在家試新歌，上堂彈給老師聽，
到他彈得甘上下，老師才示範，讓他知道首歌的感情處理

遇到有地方他自己做不到，老師只示範難的部分
他現在學五級，不知這種方法在高級是否仍然適合

作者: chinhing 時間: 16-9-25 11:35

馬媽媽發表於 16-9-23 14:28
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想請問正在教八級鋼琴老師, 你們會否彈一次樂曲給學生聽, 然後才仔細教.

會。

作者: chinhing 時間: 16-9-25 12:03

其實去到高級程度，7，8級，甚至演奏級，我都會示範俾學生睇，唔會一次彈全首，學到邊彈到邊，亦都會叫佢哋上YouTube 睇，但一定會揀俾佢哋聽邊個record。

講真，教高級學生要教得好，唔係齋翕就得，聽錄音固然重要，可以聽完整首歌，但老師示範都不可缺少，如，每個聲步嘅音量控制，自由拍子的控制。演奏家的演奏固然動聽，但是否適合小孩又是另一回事，因應考試要求，及孩子能力作出適當調節是最重要。

講返為學生選考試歌，演奏級我會因應學生能力，性格，喜好而去選歌，考級試的歌我全部都會彈一次俾學生聽，亦都會講邊首易啲，邊首難啲，再俾佢哋揀自己鐘意嘅歌。

作者: 馬媽媽 時間: 16-9-26 15:19

chinhing 發表於 16-9-25 12:03
其實去到高級程度，7，8級，甚至演奏級，我都會示範俾學生睇，唔會一次彈全首，學到邊彈到邊，亦都會叫佢哋 ...

Thank you for your sharing.

I agree with your para. 2. When I play Chopin's, I totally agree with your statement "每個聲步嘅音量控制，自由拍子的控制。演奏家的演奏固然動聽，但是否適合小孩又是另一回事，因應考試要求，及孩子能力作出適當調節是最重要". I find extremely difficult to follow only if I just listen to the CD. That is why I agree 老師示範都不可缺少.

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