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作者: hksarah 時間: 16-7-13 11:34 標題: Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

How to choose ?

My son is a bit prefer to Medicine. However, the cost is quite high for us. It is taking about HK$3M – 4M for 6 year study. An uncle agreed to financial support (borrow money) for his study in UK. But, we need to pay him back with interest in a few years ( not fixed yet -- maybe 8 years) after his graduation. The interest may be 5% p.a. is still not yet confirmed the rate.

It is quite a big amount money for us. I do know whether it is worth.

I want to have your advice on the following questions :-

1. Can my son pay back the money by himself when he comes back HK. From our rough calculation, he need to pay back the loan for around HK$50,000 per month for 8 years.

2. Will the prospect of a Doctor and a Dentist a great different ? (in terms of job satisfaction and income )

Please help. Please I beg you all.

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-13 13:16 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

If you can help a bit for your son, medicine is a good choice because he wants that.

But he may face a financial difficulty of you don't help.

For a doctor, the starting pay is only 40,000 to 50,000 a month. After 5 years, the pay will go to around 80,000 to 100,000. The repayment will put a lot of burden to him in the first few years.

Also, it is very difficult for an overseas graduate to be licensed in HK as he will need to pass an exam with a very low passing rate (around 25%).

If your son fully understands this and is committed to studying medicine in UK, go ahead and don't regret!

作者: newdaddy 時間: 16-7-13 13:40

本帖最後由 newdaddy 於 16-7-13 13:41 編輯

If your son does not have UK (or EU for the present moment) passport, it is quite impossible for him to have internship after medical school.
If he has, congratulations! If he is good enough, he will be able to become a doctor in UK.
The pass rate for UK & US doctors in the LMCHK exam is 50%, that for mainland doctors is about 16%.
I hate politics but the pass rate for outside doctors (including mainland doctors) may significantly increase in the future if the medical council reform bill is passed in Legico today. So another option is that you can send your son back to mainland for medical school and come back for LMCHK exam, hence saving lots of money while achieving his aim of becoming a doctor in HK.

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-13 17:03 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

If studying in mainland, very hard to pass the exam... If you son is mine, I prefer UK medicine or HK dentistry indeed...

I think you need to discuss with your son the pros and cons and let home decide. If he decides to study in UK, I will support if I can help him a bit.

Studying in UK:
Pros
1) you want it
Cons
1) expensive-->future financial burden
2) licensing in HK very difficult
3) may not find a job in UK

You really need to make research on it. Don't think your son is smart, so that he can pass the licensing exam in HK. Almost all candidates attending the exam are smart and already licensed doctors overseas. You can imagine how hard the exam is.

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-13 17:44 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

其實我頭先好認真咁諗，你個仔仲有兩條路入醫科，不過都好難。

第一條路：重讀未攞5**既科目，用combined cert入（要首先查清楚受唔受combined cert和discount幾多）
缺點：
1）受到旁人不理解的目光，什至嘲笑
2）重讀都未必高左分，要個仔對自己誠實，有幾大可能會升grade，因為重讀係以一年作為成本，唔係講玩

呢個係唔正常人先會做，我未見過考咁好成績會重讀，好睇個仔讀醫的決心和佢自己的能力

2）先讀牙醫，第一年搏命讀搏轉科
優點：進可攻退可守
缺點：
1）其實機會好細，個個入得牙醫都叻仔，好難係the best 入面再做the best
2）違反佢意願，睇佢有幾討厭讀牙醫

作者: hksarah 時間: 16-7-14 13:46

Dear dativeboad and newdady,

Thank you very much for your valuable advice.

His teachers and principle advised that he should choose Dentistry. From the bottom of my heart, I also prefer Dentistry due to the financial burden and so many uncertainties in choosing Medicine in UK.

I understand my son. Whenever we force him to do something, he will strongly repel.
We would like or try to analysis the pros and cons of these two professions to him (Doctor and Dentist).

As such, we want to gather more information and advice, especially in the future income. Please don’t blame me that we are talking about money. We think that it might a critical point to convince our son.

Being a Doctor cannot guarantee for earn big money. On the other hand, you will be suffered for 8-10 years for the loan repayment. Some of our friends said that the income of Dentist is also comparable to Doctor or even better (hearsay only).

Do you have any figures, examples or government pay scale to support this statement.

Please help.

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 15:30 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

我唔會話你為錢看，正常的。
呢個2015年的，可參考。只比較公立，因為私家無數計，月球人都有，好難比較。
但記住，第一時實習好似無四萬幾咁多，我以前聽好似得萬零蚊。
牙醫我再幫你搵。
http://www.swd.gov.hk/doc/ngo/PayWage/Salary%20Scale%20of%20Common%20Posts%20wef%2001-04-2015.pdf

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 15:30 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

第一年實習好少，可能大概兩萬卦。

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 15:36 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

牙醫由30點起薪（低醫生2點，醫生起薪32點），至44點。再升就無搵到，但和醫生差不多啦。
不過，牙醫實習搵幾多可能都兩萬左右卦，唔知幾多，但實習第一年唔慌多。另外，醫管局可能會接收大部醫生，牙醫係咪要咁多人真係唔肯定。我有朋友做牙醫都見佢好快出黎幫人打工開診所，好似卓健果D醫生咁。
你參考下，我都唔係行內人，唔係太清楚。

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 15:37 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

可參考

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作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 15:38 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

同埋都叫congratz，個仔成績入到牙醫都算好好。隨遇而安～

作者: Ivymom 時間: 16-7-14 16:23

If the result of your son can be accepted by HKU BDS , he should also be accepted by CUHK medicine. In general, the score requirements are

HKU Medicine > HKU Dentistry > or = CUHK Medicine

How about your application to CUHK medicine ? Don't forget that there are 2 Medicine Schools in HK.

作者: kenwoodwood 時間: 16-7-14 17:21

回覆 Ivymom 的帖子

Really? HKU Dentistry>= CUHK medicine?

作者: 畢學武 時間: 16-7-14 17:29

有Ｄ要澄清：牙醫唔洗實習，一畢業就fully qualify。

其它有時間再講。

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 17:36 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

咁正喎～不過政府每年請唔請到咁多牙醫？你試下問老師有無校友做緊牙醫，了解多點。

作者: hksarah 時間: 16-7-14 18:06

Dear 畢學武,

Thanks a lot for your advice. Grateful if you could you could tell me more the prospect of a Dentist in Hong Kong. From a layman point of view, the job nature of a Dentist seems quite routine or a bit boring.

作者: hksarah 時間: 16-7-14 18:06

Dear dativeboard,

Thanks a lot for your information.

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 18:22 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

Sarah，我都幫唔到D乜。不過我真心為你個仔夠分入牙醫而高興，雖然可能未達到你仔仔本身的目標，抱住隨遇而安和豁達心態，在自己能力範圍內做好已經係幸福既事。

作者: hksarah 時間: 16-7-14 18:26

Dear dativeboard,

Heartfelt thanks !

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 18:31 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

For your reference

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作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 18:34 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

不過憑常理咁諗，每年全港得幾十個牙醫訓練出黎，就算計埋海外牙醫，一年可能得一百個新供應，點睇都唔似供過於求，出路應無大問題。

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 18:38 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

其實都唔好看輕牙醫的專業，我記得以前有師兄講基本上第仄手既課程和醫科相若。牙醫唔係只係洗牙修牙咁簡單，好多都需要好專業既知識，因為牙齒太近大動脈、腦部、淋巴、免疫系統、血管。。。等等。其實唔係我地行外人諗咁簡單。

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 18:39 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

其實都唔好看輕牙醫的專業，我記得以前有師兄講基本上第一年既課程和醫科相若。牙醫唔係只係洗牙修牙咁簡單，好多都需要好專業既知識，因為牙齒太近大動脈、腦部、淋巴、免疫系統、血管。。。等等。其實唔係我地行外人諗咁簡單。

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-14 18:57 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

最緊要佢心甘情願自己想入，了解多點，如果佢感覺到你地迫佢，佢第時一唔如意可能會怨你地。
今年有個聖保羅男女既7 科5**都想讀牙醫，唔好看低自己的專業。你連自己都自覺低人一等，有邊個會尊重你？

作者: 畢學武 時間: 16-7-15 00:11

本帖最後由畢學武於 16-7-15 01:50 編輯

We talk about money first.

Basically, Hong Kong government provides no dental service for the general public apart from emergency care (dental extraction), dental health education and student dental care for the primary school. The dental officers employed by the government are “company dentist” for the civil servants. Therefore, there are only small no. of dental graduates enter the civil service. Most of dental graduates enter the private sector. Due to the introduction of the government funded Outreach Primary Dental Care Services for the Elderly in Residential Care Homes and Day Care Centres, there are more and more dental graduates employed by NGO. To my knowledge, I don’t think there is any dentist employed by the Hospital Authority.

There are 100% employment rate for the graduate in recent years. The starting salary may be around $40000. An experience dentist in the private sector with few years’ experience could easily earn more than 1M per annum. Some competent dentists could earn a lot more. In my opinion, this is not bad at all. This is comparable to their medical colleague. However, I can’t imagine there is dental星球人 in Hong Kong. Dental月球人 is also very rare.

There is no official comparison for salary of dentist and doctor in Hong Kong. But the following articles are the saturation in UK and US for your reference. I think Hong Kong is more or less the same.

http://www.legalandmedical.co.uk ... -doctor-or-dentist/

http://work.chron.com/salary-com ... hysicians-7754.html

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-15 00:18 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

勁！學到野！

作者: 畢學武 時間: 16-7-15 00:37 標題: 回覆：畢學武的帖子

Social status

在香港，牙醫係醫學界功能組別，怪醫梁家瑠理論上代表埋牙醫。
牙醫可以用Dr.做title。
在外國牙醫同醫生和很多其它professional社會地位差不多。
香港情況，醫生獨大反而是畸形。好多老人家尊稱牙醫做“師傅”，其實都幾好玩！
在國内，醫生、牙醫地位一樣的差！

作者: dativebond 時間: 16-7-15 00:40 標題: 回覆：Please help ? HKU -- Dentistry or U of Manchester -- Medicine??

仰慕～

中point有料！

作者: 畢學武 時間: 16-7-15 00:59 標題: 回覆：畢學武的帖子

做牙醫的好處(in compare with medical doctor)：

牙醫唔洗實習，一畢業就fully qualify。

除左做hospital dentistry,牙醫基本上唔使on shift。

except for very unfortunate situation, dentist won't see people die.

remember, dentist is the leader of the dental team, not a paramedical profession.

作者: 畢學武 時間: 16-7-15 01:18 標題: 回覆：畢學武的帖子

做牙醫的壞處：

行頭窄，大部份要private practice

辛苦，牙醫基本上是surgeon,個個patient入嚟都要做嘢，日日係咁做都好辛苦。醫生好多時講吓就得。

除非入了政府，牙醫進修全部自己比錢，都好貴，政府牙醫進修機會都好少。

有一D人仲會覺得dentist is a fail doctor。

作者: 畢學武 時間: 16-7-15 01:27 標題: 回覆：畢學武的帖子

Final words,

牙醫（除了public health dentist）全部要用手做嘢，唔锺意做手工，隻手做嘢唔得，讀牙醫盞搞。

dentistry is an art. dentist is an artist.冇artistic sense 唔會係好dentist。

牙醫係超級厭惡性工作，唔係個個頂得順。小心！

作者: hksarah 時間: 16-7-15 05:42

Dear 畢學武,

Million thanks for your advice and information. We will try to talk with my son for more details.

Thanks again for your help from the bottom of our heart.

作者: 小曳人 時間: 16-7-15 10:14

本帖最後由小曳人於 16-7-15 10:15 編輯

我最擔心係貴貴讀完，但考唔到個牌，唔知點算...

btw，唔知現時可唔可以咁
97後我識到個妹妹，佢個plan係去英國讀3年醫，攞到個1st degree，然後返HKU讀埋餘下個半，當年收佢嘅係劍橋，佢話如果最終係HK畢業，就無問題，唔駛考超難嘅醫生牌試。呢個妹妹屋企有醫科背境

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