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作者: cychan8 時間: 16-3-16 15:28 標題: ESF Glenealy v CAIS

本帖最後由 cychan8 於 16-3-16 15:29 編輯

My son got offer from these two schools. How would you make the decision? Please kindly help. Many thanks.

作者: oooray 時間: 16-3-16 16:53 標題: 回覆：cychan8 的帖子

if u live in HK island, why bother travel to Kowloon everyday?

作者: ritz_ng 時間: 16-3-17 09:55 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+cychan8+於+16-3-16+15:29+編

原帖由 cychan8 於 16-03-16 發表
本帖最後由 cychan8 於 16-3-16 15:29 編輯

My son got offer from these two schools. How would you ...

They are quite diff:
Simplified chi vs traditional chi
IB vs Alberta AP
No religious vs Christian
Hk vs Kln ...
The question is: do you have any strong preference on the above?

作者: lovecasey 時間: 16-3-17 10:02

go to the closest one if you dont have a preference

作者: andersmama 時間: 16-3-20 00:20 標題: 回覆：ESF Glenealy v CAIS

My son was switched fm CAIS to ESF (one in HK Island side) for Year 2 last Aug. Only studied Prep at CAIS for second term.

作者: elmostoney 時間: 16-3-21 11:40

睇下人數. 我2個以前讀過Glenealy, 30 人一班, 我個人鍾意小班, 所以唔理升中涵接, 照轉. Glenealy入中學, 應該升Island School的, 你最好查下到升中時, Island School是否已重建完, 暫定好似2018拆, 好似要成4年時間, 中間會分2間校舍在大圍. 所以呢幾年, 好似有不少師生流失, 而家入Island School亦較south island 和 West Island容易.

作者: careysum 時間: 16-3-21 12:54

CAIS 22人一班，直升中學，下年有新校舍可用，但兩間學校不同學制，好難比較。

作者: Ocean419 時間: 16-3-22 10:52 標題: 引用：CAIS+22人一班，直升中學，下年有新校舍可

原帖由 careysum 於 16-03-21 發表
CAIS 22人一班，直升中學，下年有新校舍可用，但兩間學校不同學制，好難比較。 ...

請問是指2017年9月搬到荔枝角新校舍嗎？

作者: careysum 時間: 16-3-22 20:25

是，應該是17年8月，我地係8月開學

作者: 964000 時間: 16-3-22 20:27 標題: 引用：My+son+was+switched+fm+CAIS+to+ESF+(one+

原帖由 andersmama 於 16-03-20 發表
My son was switched fm CAIS to ESF (one in HK Island side) for Year 2 last Aug. Only studied Prep at ...

How do you compare the two schools?

作者: andersmama 時間: 16-3-22 20:57 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+andersmama+於+16-03-20+發表

原帖由 964000 於 16-03-22 發表
How do you compare the two schools?

Em...its really diff, but we all like ESF more.

They r running diff programs, CAIS - Alberta, ESF - IB

The diversity of students of ESF is more n better than CAIS, u can see more western kids faces.

For the teachers, my son's homeroom is a Filipino...😓at CAIS, which we dont really like. EA is an Indian as well...at CAIS, but ESF is not, all r western, seldom see Indian n Filipino.

For Chinese, CAIS is more difficult than ESF, but English - ESF is better.

作者: 964000 時間: 16-3-22 21:06 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+964000+於+16-03-22+發表How+

原帖由 andersmama 於 16-03-22 發表
Em...its really diff, but we all like ESF more.

They r running diff programs, CAIS - Alberta, ESF - ...

Thanks for your opinion and I get what you mean.

作者: elmostoney 時間: 16-3-23 11:18

本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 16-3-23 11:38 編輯

andersmama 發表於 16-3-22 20:57
Em...its really diff, but we all like ESF more.

They r running diff programs, CAIS - Alberta, ESF - ...

我想補充一下有關Glenealy.  我的孩子剛離開Glenealy一年, 所以我想改變不會太大.

Glenealy 的 TA不少是亞洲人, 印象中一兩個班主任也是.  但我個人覺得不是一個issue, 最緊要作為homeroom teacher, 既然學校是英語為主, 老師是什麼人種我不介意, 英文說得地道就成.  想確定一下可上他們的網址.

學生make up (當時我純為好奇都去班房看過一下, 因為很多教室門口都貼有孩子的名字和照片), 每班約8至10人是南亞人(我們都泛指印度), 剩下的人數白人和亞洲其他人大概平均分配.  當然這不是定律, 每班都會有點出入. 亞洲其他人大部份是日韓中(包括香港).

雖然我未接觸過CAIS, 但中文Glenealy有所不及不足為奇, 但我很 surprised, 他們的native stream其實很不錯. 由y3開始會教得很緊湊, 每星期都有作業 (不是求其做少少的那種, 學中文唔做作業, 死梗! 英文可靠拼音, 但中文真係要死記多寫), y3下學期開始作短文, 而且差不多每個星期都要默書, 可能是一星默單字, 一星期默段落, 梅花間竹的默書. 當然低年班要求便低點.

另外Glenealy的老師挺忙的, Y2那時還好, 因為孩子比較小, 老師都會到操場帶孩子上課, 又或帶他們到操場下課. 到y3時, 我要見老師一面多數要預約(其實有時只是想問一兩句).  因為之前習慣小班教學, 只要我接送孩子放學, 多少能和老師聊上一兩句. 純粹是一些之前的經驗, 所以令我頗不習慣.  如你沒有先入為主, 這情況應不會bother你. (我家老大現在是20人班, y5了; 老二15人一班, y4, 老師跟得很貼.  不過中文program不如Glenealy, 也沒直升中學, 所以什麼都是魚與熊掌).

作者: andersmama 時間: 16-3-23 14:27 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+elmostoney+於+16-3-23+11:38+

原帖由 elmostoney 於 16-03-23 發表
本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 16-3-23 11:38 編輯

Thanks for update. Actually, my son is not at Glenaely, I just based on my son's sch to give some comments. As fm my exp, my son's homeroom at CAIS is Filipino, and her Eng...not really easy to understand and communicate, thats why we dont like it, the Indian EA is rather better.

作者: aidan08 時間: 16-3-23 16:44

elmostoney 發表於 16-3-23 11:18
我想補充一下有關Glenealy. 我的孩子剛離開Glenealy一年, 所以我想改變不會太大.

Glenealy 的 TA不少是 ...

Glenealy的學生的確較多印度人，原因係個catchment，因為中半山好多印度人住。

不遠處的Peak School相對少好多印度人，我仔全級兩班60人中只有兩、三個，反而白種人較多，比Asian還多。

我朋友個仔在CAIS，好多好多香港人。

作者: andersmama 時間: 16-3-23 20:39 標題: 引用：Quote:elmostoney+發表於+16-3-23+11:18+我

原帖由 aidan08 於 16-03-23 發表
Glenealy的學生的確較多印度人，原因係個catchment，因為中半山好多印度人住。

不遠處的Peak School相對少 ...

Yes, many many HKers at CAIS. My son's class b4, 18 out of 20 r HKers. 1 mixed, 1 Malay.

作者: dubyboy 時間: 16-3-24 11:04 標題: 回覆：ESF Glenealy v CAIS

我兩个小朋友讀Glenealy, 一班里大半班係外藉小朋友。比起其他esf, 我朋友讀beacon hill大半班以上都係香港人。esf学術方面不是太進取，這点我起初也有点擔心，但其后我發現佢着重啓發小朋友思维，這点我令喜出望外及更重要，学術上的不足，可以很容易在坊間填補。
至於中文，以前小朋友在一間着重中文的國際学校裡，看見他的中文書很深以為一定好，但現在才發現有系統教学才是最重要。

作者: GGD 時間: 16-3-24 11:25

Seems that most parents are happy with the Chinese level in ESF. Can you tell a bit more about their Chinese level? Say, by the time they graduate from primary school, can they write a short passage, read newspaper etc? Thanks, just to know more what can i expect.

作者: andersmama 時間: 16-3-24 14:49 標題: 引用：Seems+that+most+parents+are+happy+with+t

原帖由 GGD 於 16-03-24 發表
Seems that most parents are happy with the Chinese level in ESF. Can you tell a bit more about their ...

I only what my son learned fm sch when he took the class exercises back home, he is in native stream, he learned writing single words, writing sentences, pin yin, actually, cant say the level is difficult, but fair to their age level la...but their reading books r quite simple. My son is at Y2.

作者: minimirror 時間: 16-3-25 17:29 標題: 回覆：andersmama 的帖子

咁啱見到，容許我講兩句

估唔到竟然有家長想學生group diversified 但係會介意老師係印度或者菲律賓人。老師一定要白人western？

係加拿大乜國籍老師都有，有口音唔單指亞洲人，歐洲老師都會有，讀 international 其中一樣覺得係包容其他國藉嘅人。

My high school has 60% r indian.. 無乜大問題

作者: lui 時間: 16-3-25 20:36 標題: 引用：Seems+that+most+parents+are+happy+with+t

原帖由 GGD 於 16-03-24 發表
Seems that most parents are happy with the Chinese level in ESF. Can you tell a bit more about their ...

My Girl is from local school. Then get in to year 8 of ESF. She is classified as set 1 ( highest set among 3 sets). She told me that she found ESF has done a very good job of teaching Chinese. She has better writing skills now as the teacher really teach them how to write better ( which I think it is what ESF always do for English) she said many of her classmate Fromm ESF primary has very good Chinese. Even better than local school students. When I am talking about Chinese is an issue for her sister, she told I should not worry about it. I am surprised of what she told me.

作者: happy116 時間: 16-3-26 13:44 標題: 引用：咁啱見到，容許我講兩句估唔到竟然有家

原帖由 minimirror 於 16-03-25 發表
咁啱見到，容許我講兩句

謝謝你講出我想表達的：）

作者: muimui2012 時間: 16-3-26 13:53 標題: 引用：咁啱見到，容許我講兩句估唔到竟然有家

原帖由 minimirror 於 16-03-25 發表
咁啱見到，容許我講兩句

Can't agree more

作者: callmebabe 時間: 16-3-27 21:27 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+964000+於+16-03-22+發表How+

原帖由 andersmama 於 16-03-22 發表
Em...its really diff, but we all like ESF more.

They r running diff programs, CAIS - Alberta, ESF - ...

I share your view, which I forfeited cais long ago

作者: callmebabe 時間: 16-3-27 21:27 標題: 回覆：ESF Glenealy v CAIS

but I also agree this is a good school

作者: 964000 時間: 16-3-27 22:17 標題: 引用：咁啱見到，容許我講兩句估唔到竟然有家

原帖由 minimirror 於 16-03-25 發表
咁啱見到，容許我講兩句

我吾會太介意，我見過英語水平很高的Indian and Filipino 老師，例如Indian 老師寫的school report, 英語水平肯定好過很多local大學生，而且還是我女兒的啟蒙老師，非常了解小朋友的心理，超級有愛心，例如小朋友玩水的小水池水凍了，她不是叫小朋友走開不要玩，而是親自去廚房拿䁔水溝暖D水。雖然也見過一個半個英語一般的Filipino老師。不過我也聽見有家長批評老師不是白人，但我只是覺得佢地無知。

作者: minimirror 時間: 16-3-28 08:26 標題: 回覆：964000 的帖子

無知地歧視

第時點係外國讀書，唔通要係咁轉校。。。我讀high school and university , teachers, professors or doctors 係會有印度人，內地人，星加坡人，Romanian, 日本人有口音，不過無得你揀因為要畢業。可能太 extreme 但係好多嘢由細開始。

我唔希望自己小朋友會介意老師個 race, she or he can be western but she/he can also be brown.

作者: 964000 時間: 16-3-28 09:31 標題: 引用：無知地歧視第時點係外國讀書，唔通要係

原帖由 minimirror 於 16-03-28 發表
無知地歧視

不過老實說小時候我希望小朋友接觸學習正統小小的口音，不論老師甚麼國籍只要口音不太明顯我覺得可以接受（小小口音可以的），其實咁多種英語口音我最怕廣東口音

作者: andersmama 時間: 16-3-28 11:31 標題: 回覆：ESF Glenealy v CAIS

每間學校都總有好與壞，大家唔認同我個view都唔駛咁大反應，其實揀學校呢樣野係各取所需同埋揀一間適合小朋友既學校，我無教小朋友種族歧視，老師質素都係我同爸爸既其中一個concern啫，大家唔好歪曲左或者諗多左我講既野，我咁講，係因為我仔係舊校既homeroom係菲律賓藉人士，而助教係印度藉人士，我都話助教英文比homeroom好，homeroom既野英文口音確實係令我地對小朋友學習同理解有點擔心而已，我唔係話所以菲律賓、印度藉老師都係咁，我只係講番我仔既經驗啫。因為我同爸爸試過出席家長日，分享會等等，亦親身同兩位老師溝通過，先有咁既comments同睇法，我都再講一次，係我仔呢兩位老師，唔係全部老師係咁。

無錯既係，我所見，佢舊校確實有不少呢兩個國藉既老師，但我無話過其他老師唔好喎。

如果你覺得我share我自己小朋友學習既view同感受係無知既，真係sorry, 呢個平台，就係用黎分享對不同學校既睇法。

作者: andersmama 時間: 16-3-28 11:39 標題: 引用：but+I+also+agree+this+is+a+good+school +

原帖由 callmebabe 於 16-03-27 發表
but I also agree this is a good school

Yes, its not bad, but depends on what you want only.

作者: minimirror 時間: 16-3-28 13:41 標題: 回覆：andersmama 的帖子

講緊批評老師唔係白人嗰啲家長 ,無知同歧視，要國際化就覺得與白人相處就得, 你絕對唔係放心 ok ?

唔再評論 hehehe

作者: andersmama 時間: 16-3-28 14:50 標題: 回覆：ESF Glenealy v CAIS

有d人根本唔睜大隻眼睇下人講咩，就理直氣壯咁黎批評人地。

咁你又試下，如果你小朋友比個咁既老師教會點囉！

作者: minimirror 時間: 16-3-28 15:27 標題: 回覆：andersmama 的帖子

吓？點嘅老師呀？

唔明

作者: torunpoland 時間: 16-3-28 15:34 標題: 回覆：964000 的帖子

我聽到我個仔的班主任有利物浦口音，咁點呀？助教顯然是紐卡素北方口音，同級另一老師是加拿大人⋯⋯咁我又係咪要擔心個仔學唔到RP? 其實都唔使怕，因為係一世都學唔到。

作者: gigilanlan 時間: 16-3-28 17:10 標題: 回覆：ESF Glenealy v CAIS

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作者: bebemuimui 時間: 16-3-28 17:16 標題: 引用：我好明白上面的家長andersmama的分享，我反

原帖由 gigilanlan 於 16-03-28 發表
我好明白上面的家長andersmama的分享，我反覆看了這個post幾次，也不覺得那家長有種族歧視，人家只是以她/ ...

錯英文同口音係2件事,ESF有口音的老師很多，但他們的英文水平遠高過本地人，不用擔心。

作者: ritz_ng 時間: 16-3-29 00:46 標題: 回覆：bebemuimui 的帖子

其實小朋友學習能力好高，觀察力亦好強，我小朋友k3都聽得出明顯口音不同既好幾個國藉。家長加以講解都幫到小朋友。反而自己宜家大左，就好想自己識聽到多啲不同口音既英文，因為宜家同印度同事開會好大挑戰。

作者: rakui 時間: 16-3-29 07:10 標題: 引用：有d人根本唔睜大隻眼睇下人講咩，就理直氣

原帖由 andersmama 於 16-03-28 發表
有d人根本唔睜大隻眼睇下人講咩，就理直氣壯咁黎批評人地。

咁你又試下，如果你小朋友比個咁既老師教會點 ...

其實幾明白你意思。就好似自己以前上學由台灣人用英文授課，他的英文並非怎麼好，基本上沒幾個同學明白他說什麼。又好似家中菲傭，連he 同 she都無法分辨，這不是單純口音問題，而是根本英文不好。

作者: random_dad 時間: 16-4-5 15:46

I guess the beauty of the system in HK is that there are choices, and people can choose an alternative, no matter the reason. For the parent that switched their child out of CAIS upthread, I trust that there are other reasons for the switch (desire for ESF, location, etc.) that she hasn't identified. But at least for me, if the only reason she switched was because the teacher had an accent she was struggling to understand, that would be rather short-sighted, because as others have pointed out, there's no guarantee who your child's teacher will be the following year at any school.

What I really don't understand though is of the quality of the spoken English by the said Filipino teacher. There's only a couple of them at the lower Primary campus, and I've spoken to all of them on multiple occasions, and I don't find any of their English accent to be to the point where it would be a struggle to understand.

But then, to each his/her own...

作者: happyfarm 時間: 16-4-6 13:54

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minimirror 發表於 16-3-28 08:26
無知地歧視

老師的膚色不是問題，主要是母語要是英語。幼稚園和小學是語言學習最佳時期，跟大學學習科目不同。如果家長不介意幼稚園或小學老師有菲律賓或印度口音，那麼又是否應該不介意有廣東口音呢？

作者: Busybody! 時間: 16-4-6 15:30 標題: 回覆：ESF Glenealy v CAIS

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作者: minimirror 時間: 16-4-6 19:34 標題: 回覆：happyfarm 的帖子

我無介意，之前我 high school math teacher speaks english with heavy cantonese accent!

作者: minimirror 時間: 16-4-6 19:36 標題: 引用：I+guess+the+beauty+of+the+system+in+HK+i

原帖由 random_dad 於 16-04-05 發表
I guess the beauty of the system in HK is that there are choices, and people can choose an alternati ...

well said...

作者: gigilanlan 時間: 16-4-6 22:51 標題: 回覆：ESF Glenealy v CAIS

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作者: random_dad 時間: 16-4-11 09:54

gigilanlan 發表於 16-4-6 22:51
以我理解上面其中一位家長的分享，一路只是講那個菲藉老師/印度TA的英文表達能力，不是講囗音，可能因為我 ...

Exactly.  Well said.
As I said before, to each his/her own in what they want for their child.  But I would like to suggest that for those parents that are concerned about the quality of English being taught at CAIS, they should have a few conversations with students in secondary years, and see for themselves whether there are issues with their English at all, and whether there's any lingering "accent".

It's understandable and natural that parents are concerned about their kid's education, but to be so concerned and so consumed with every last detail that they take a myopic view of everything might do more harm than good.  Better to focus on the forest than a single tree.

作者: esther.cy 時間: 16-4-11 23:49 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+cychan8+於+16-3-16+15:29+編

原帖由 cychan8 於 16-03-16 發表
本帖最後由 cychan8 於 16-3-16 15:29 編輯

My son got offer from these two schools. How would you ...

Hi, have u made up your mind?

For me, as I have shared in another thread, my kid is now studying in CAIS, grade 2, I really like this school because of their strong religion atmosphere at the school, very good and kind-hearted teachers. My girl was having a Filipino teaching assistant in her class last year, but she told me she likes her very much as she is so caring. Teaching staff are very good in CAIS in general. In addition, their curriculum is not bad, they also got regular dictation and Chinese test, I am happy with it.

I am a Christian and I quite insist to let her grow up in a Christian school. So my kid goes to CAIS even I am living in HK island and have no plan to switch at this moment.

There is no perfect school, it really depends what do u want for your kid.

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