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作者: sheenaho 時間: 16-2-25 12:22 標題: 请教：Ucl econ vs ust qfin
收到两间的offer. 应如何比较？最大问题是小儿只有方向性的兴趣，但对将来从事哪行仍未有清晰目标。我自己对外国大字所知什少，故希望在此能得到些意见和分析。先谢过。
作者: slamai 時間: 16-2-26 14:27
sheenaho 發表於 16-2-25 12:22 
收到两间的offer. 应如何比较？最大问题是小儿只有方向性的兴趣，但对将来从事哪行仍未有清晰目标。我自己 ...
作者: sheenaho 時間: 16-2-26 17:45
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Thx a lot. What is MNCS?
作者: DKmum 時間: 16-2-28 09:51 標題: 引用：回覆+slamai+的帖子
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原帖由 sheenaho 於 16-02-26 發表
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Thx a lot. What is MNCS?
作者: sheenaho 時間: 16-2-28 15:10
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Thx.
作者: ksenia 時間: 16-2-29 22:14
Definitely UCL Econ. My daughter has received offers from both and she chose to go to UK.
作者: youma 時間: 16-3-3 09:58
sheenaho 發表於 16-2-25 12:22
收到两间的offer. 应如何比较？最大问题是小儿只有方向性的兴趣，但对将来从事哪行仍未有清晰目标。我自己 ...
HKUST qfin is better than UCL Econ in terms of subject learning. But as stated above, experience abroad is very valuable. If you study at HKUST, you can also apply for exchange abroad for a year. 
作者: sheenaho 時間: 16-3-15 23:13
youma 發表於 16-3-3 09:58
Are your son studying F6 and preparing for DSE? Why can HKUST give you offer?
HKUST qfin is better t ...
Still struggling between ucl n hkust!
作者: ANChan59 時間: 16-3-16 08:33 標題: 引用：Quote:youma+發表於+16-3-3+09:58+Are+your
原帖由 sheenaho 於 16-03-15 發表
My son is taking IB.
Still struggling between ucl n hkust!
Studying aboard is an enjoyable experience if finance not an issue.
作者: sheenaho 時間: 16-3-16 11:29
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May I know what subject your daughter will take in Ucl?
作者: sheenaho 時間: 16-3-16 11:36
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Thx for advice given by all of u.
I hv one doubt. Is the ranking of ucl Economics justify the amt of investment I spent? Or should I view it frm another perspective?
How about Economics of Warwick Uni? It's ranking is even higher than ucl.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 16-3-16 12:06 標題: 引用：回覆+ANChan59+的帖子 Thx+for+advice+giv
原帖由 sheenaho 於 16-03-16 發表
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Thx for advice given by all of u.
1. It's conditional offers, take it and wait for final results. I guess the offer of UCL may be lower than UST, take it as safety net.
2. Go aboard or stay local is very subjective, discuss with you kid and make the final shot.
3. Ranking is not as important as you think, 4 years ago , UCL is higher than Warwick in Econ ranking. Oxbridge, LSE are top top, Warwick and UCL is another level, they are very close.
4. The living standard is another consideration.
作者: bristol 時間: 16-3-17 10:40
ANChan59 發表於 16-3-16 08:33
For MNC, UCL and UST are good enough with 1st or 2:1 class of honour.
Studying aboard is an enjoya ...
It is easier to get a First Class Honors degree (or even a 2:1) at UCL than HKUST.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 16-3-17 11:26 標題: 引用：Quote:ANChan59+發表於+16-3-16+08:33+For+
原帖由 bristol 於 16-03-17 發表
It is easier to get a First Class Honors degree (or even a 2:1) at UCL than HKUST.
作者: sheenaho 時間: 16-3-18 09:47
ANChan59 發表於 16-3-16 12:06
My two cents.
1. It's conditional offers, take it and wait for final results. I guess the offer of ...
作者: sheenaho 時間: 16-3-18 09:48
bristol 發表於 16-3-17 10:40
It is easier to get a First Class Honors degree (or even a 2:1) at UCL than HKUST.
作者: annie40 時間: 16-3-23 14:23
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May I have your opinion about International Relation in LSE? It is a myth to me that both US and European have held it in high regard. Also, some Amercian students prefers Liberal Art Colleges over Ivies, LAC , like Williams , Middlebury and Pomona , are assumed as undergradute feeder schools to top graduate programs such as Med and Law. It is interesting to see debatable comments in various continents. Thank you.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 16-3-23 17:38
LSE is ranked the 3rd in the global universities on the subject "Politics and International Studies" by QS on 22 March 2016
http://www.topuniversities.com/u ... stars=false+search=
作者: ANChan59 時間: 16-3-23 22:24
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Annie
Stootstar shared QS ranking with you and I shared one more in UK for 2015-2016
http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?s=politics
In UK, some very top students will aim at Oxford's PPE instead of International Relationship. Many Prime Ministers of UK are graduated from PPE.
For another question related to US system, I am not familiar with the US system and not in a position to comment.
If someone can get in Ivy, why go for LA college first and then take a graduate school in Ivy ???
作者: simonwan 時間: 16-3-23 23:12
QS ranking 系有偏幫英國的大學。不過，LSE 都系 top tier 的大學。 LSE 系英國最頂尖的美式大學，符合現時世界學術主流。
牛劍的PPP 系百多年傳統最top 的學系，專出領袖，最勁文科學生的首選。
美國好多文理學院的本科課程比top tier u 的更好，小班教學，師生關係好，頂級的文理學院難入過好多top ten U. Hilary Clinton, 宋美齡出身的 Wellesley College 就系專培養美國上流社會的女子。系美國，讀Williams College, Wellesley College 等頂級文理學院，絕對唔失禮過你讀哈佛、耶魯。
作者: annie40 時間: 16-3-24 09:13
在美國education forum 內，不少學生申請HYPMS之余，又同時報SLAC(selectiive liberal art college), 還要把Williams, Middlebury 作為dream school 云云。其中SAT2340又reject, Dartmouth accepted，又被Middlebury reject. 看過申請人資料，大家是一舊雲，唯有話可能篇essays 岀問題。原來take williams over Harvard 的大有人在，爸爸還是大學教授呢.
自己開始想average joe 知道的名氣，是street reputation, 未必等同事實。
偶爾爬文，發現上年被八大ivies 和其他top U如MIT , UC, Upenn, Stanford top U 收錄的黑人學生，Donald Nelson 竟然去了University of Alabama 讀書，聽完個理由,由衷佩服。有料人的想法，值得世俗人反思。
作者: annie40 時間: 16-3-24 09:31
因為美國收生太多奇怪因素，怪不得average joe 都會去申請HYPMS, 每位同學申請十多二十間學校, 結果申請表是幾萬，有人踫運氣，合資格的申請者是少於一半。大學排名，又跟申請者數目有闗，於是average joe 聽了wow wow 聲的，看來有水份之嫌了。
在歐洲少人知道 U penn, 哥大，芝大； 美國人只知Oxbridge, 再加LSE。
聽說 undergraduate 課程是英國辦得好，美國是postgrad 以後好，香港人現實，可能只需名氣好。
作者: Shootastar 時間: 16-3-24 10:46
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Can't agree with you more.
作者: slamai 時間: 16-3-24 12:29
annie40 發表於 16-3-24 09:13
在美國education forum 內，不少學生申請HYPMS之余，又同時報SLAC(selectiive liberal art college), 還要 ...
作者: slamai 時間: 16-3-24 12:40
annie40 發表於 16-3-24 09:31
因為美國收生太多奇怪因素，怪不得average joe 都會去申請HYPMS, 每位同學申請十多二十間學校, 結果申請表 ...
What’s better: Oxford’s depth or Yale’s breadth?
There is a saying that HYPMS can better prepare top research students for winning Nobel prizes in the distant future because of the breadth of their undergraduate studies and the demand for integration of cross disciplinary knowledge at such level of achievement, as compared with Oxbridge. Of course, funding for research should be the crux of differentiation.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 16-3-24 13:02 標題: 引用：Quote:annie40+發表於+16-3-24+09:31+因為
原帖由 slamai 於 16-03-24 發表
"聽說 undergraduate 課程是英國辦得好，美國是postgrad 以後好" - the following old article is still wo ...
Personally, top students should go for more research type, no matter who is the professor, their results still flying colours.
Mediocre or below students should go for more teaching type university or college.
If my son just so so, I will recommend him to a lower rank university and easy program in HK.
Interdisciplinary is more a mind set and soft skills , rather than hard knowledge and a short coming is most areas are average. Not in an expert mode is more open for other ideas and willing to compromise in conflicting ideas.
作者: annie40 時間: 16-3-24 14:46
Personally, top students should go for more research type, no matter who is the professor, their results still flying colours.
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totally agreed.
作者: annie40 時間: 16-3-24 14:47
Williams has the famous undergrad programe is 2:1 tutuoring, ie 2 students : 1 tutor (the tutor is professor).
作者: annie40 時間: 16-3-24 15:09
本帖最後由 annie40 於 16-3-24 15:11 編輯
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The professor dad was graudated from MIT. Here is the mom's input:
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Why did my kids chose Midd over Bates? Really, the main reason was it's 8 hours closer to our house. Why over MIT, where their father attended? Class size and mentorship opportunities. My husband felt that MIT opened doors, but almost killed him in the process.No one really cared if he succeeded or not. He learned to write in grad school, because his undergrad education was so quantitative, classes so large, and grades mostly given on problem sets and tests by grad students, not the actual professor.
I'm a strong proponent of the small LAC as the best place to get an undergraduate education unless you are extremely focused and very self-driven. To pick one of the top LACs over another is really just splitting hairs. So pick, if you have a choice, the place that feels "right" for you.
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Remarks: it is interesting that Safety is one of main factors to choose universities in US parents' view. Obviously there is no such issue in Hong Kong and UK.
作者: simonwan 時間: 16-3-24 17:55
post grad 一定系美國好，二次大戰后世界學術中心由歐洲去了美國，而且研究經費其他國家望塵莫及。
under grad 兩睇。buy 英國的主要是喜歡其 tutorial 制度，小班教學，導師與學生能深入交流。另外，也可感受英國人的品味及做事風格，也有得益。但三年本科我覺得太少。而且，美國本科的通識教育確系有其價值。
另外，選教授定選大學？本科可能沒有那麽重要，研究院一定系選教授，研究學科的權威教授去了二三綫大學，你都要選，佢收唔收你是另一回事。學術圈的推薦信系看那個人寫的，看你師傅是誰，唔系話你哈佛出來就得。
作者: annie40 時間: 16-3-25 10:21
post grad 一定系美國好，二次大戰后世界學術中心由歐洲去了美國，而且研究經費其他國家望塵莫及。
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同意，特別是理科.
其實我所知是有限，只有近月看了大量的討論，得出概括情況是：
1）香港本土和IS課程，承習慣不少英式教育，IB內容是加插美式的all round 完人概念。
2）美國中產很喜歡的liberal art school, 其實有英國oxbridge或其他學院的影子
是專，深，美合一。為post grad 課程立下基礎。
3）美國大學是完人教育，合適未清楚志向的孩子.如果很單一,老早有決心從事某學術或行業的人，可能比較追求dig into the depth. 不想花時間在其他不着邊際的修課上。
當初自己也直覺英式三年是大短, 後再看一些美國学生經歷uk undergrad, us post graduate 的分享, 原來英國的depth 做得很好。
後話：
LSE 的MSC and PhD 依然很出色，反而undergrad 是大路。相信Oxbridge 和golden triangle 的post grad 還是可以跟美國較量。
金刻羽，25歳便成LSE Econ tenure professor, 實在是不可思議。中國人與有榮焉。
作者: simonwan 時間: 16-3-25 21:56
通識教育就系想你唔好甘早就甘專於一門學科，就算你一早定立了志向。一個educated 的人，系要通才加上專才。
而且，研究創新好多時系要借助其他學科的啓發，衹尊一門學科，反而以後做研究時，思維可能太窄。
真正做研究的碩士系 MPhil, 其他MSc, M 什麽什麽，其實系大學揾錢課程，被睇低一綫。
作者: simonwan 時間: 16-3-25 22:25
annie40 發表於 16-3-25 10:21
post grad 一定系美國好，二次大戰后世界學術中心由歐洲去了美國，而且研究經費其他國家望塵莫及。
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單以經濟學而言，Oxbridge 的 post grad 不能跟美國頂尖的經濟系比，最多是美國二流經濟系的水平，經濟學來說，美國領先其他國家太多。
當年（1965），黃有光大學本科未畢業已經系世界一流的經濟學期刊發表論文。華人經濟學家學術成就比金刻羽高的比比皆是，當然，25歲在頂級大學拿到tenure 是十分難得，但除她的學術成就外，她的家庭背景可能也有幫助。要評價一個學者，衹能以其學術成就論之，幾歲tenure系唔多重要。現今香港的大學裏面，很多教授的學術成就比她高。當然，金還年輕，未到一個經濟學家的黃金年齡，中國人能否與有榮焉，要看其日後做化。
作者: annie40 時間: 16-4-2 16:25
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因為好奇,看了一下UCL, 發現Economic 竟然有68 人first honor, 是31pct. 在其他資料上LSE的Economic 每年只有幾個，這些近乎addiction 的學生，甚至有公司怕太學術，不敢請。為何不同大學的first honor 數目相差如此大，內行人又怎樣分辨能力呢？
作者: slamai 時間: 16-4-5 13:37
annie40 發表於 16-4-2 16:25
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因為好奇,看了一下UCL, 發現Economic 竟然有68 人first honor, 是31pct. 在其他資料 ...
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