教育王國

標題: 大學捷徑 [打印本頁]

作者: long0 時間: 15-11-27 13:01 標題: 大學捷徑

http://news.tvb.com/programmes/c ... 5426db28caf68000000

作者: brother4 時間: 15-11-27 13:37 標題: 回覆：大學捷徑

估不是捷徑，是條條大馬通羅馬較合

作者: long0 時間: 15-11-27 14:36

本帖最後由 long0 於 15-11-27 14:39 編輯

我接受其實走後門都係實力的一種有錢亦係

如果IB好D就應該所有人用IB考廢咗DSE
現在這樣不三不四

作者: hogwarts 時間: 15-11-27 16:22 標題: 回覆：long0 的帖子

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

George Orwell, Animal Farm

作者: little_yolky 時間: 15-11-27 16:30

long0 發表於 15-11-27 14:36
我接受其實走後門都係實力的一種有錢亦係

如果IB好D就應該所有人用IB考廢咗DSE

我唔覺真係捷徑, IB都要高分至考得入non-Jupus, 而且, 讀IB既學生真係靈活好多, 對學術科研方面係比較優勝, 所以學系喜歡收高分的IB生也是可以理解的。

不過, 香港學校好厲害, 乜都有得谷, 是否可以透過催谷提升IB水平, 就要看看了。

作者: fion6406 時間: 15-11-27 16:39 標題: 引用：Quote:long0+發表於+15-11-27+14:36+我接受

原帖由 little_yolky 於 15-11-27 發表
我唔覺真係捷徑, IB都要高分至考得入non-Jupus, 而且, 讀IB既學生真係靈活好多, 對學術科研方面係比較優勝, ...

IB 點會無得谷，你Google 下「IB 補習」睇下，好多「教育工作者」一早已經睇到呢個市場潛力。

作者: brother4 時間: 15-11-27 16:45 標題: 回覆：大學捷徑

兩間大學對IB狀元是趨之若鶩，另4X分收很多，朋友孩子在傳统名校高中轉IB校，是中等成績讀上Ib ,成績有42一44分

作者: judy 時間: 15-11-27 16:46

讀IB既學生真係靈活好多, 對學術科研方面係比較優勝, 所以學系喜歡收高分的IB生也是可以理解的。

有冇數据支持？

作者: little_yolky 時間: 15-11-27 16:49

judy 發表於 15-11-27 16:46
有冇數据支持？

他們的學習模式唔一樣, 功課多以論文作答, 而且重視多角度分析, 所以思考模式已經接近大學教育模式了。至於DSE, 大家都明白係咩一回事了。

作者: little_yolky 時間: 15-11-27 16:51

fion6406 發表於 15-11-27 16:39
IB 點會無得谷，你Google 下「IB 補習」睇下，好多「教育工作者」一早已經睇到呢個市場潛力。

...

香港真係強, 乜都可以轉化為數據力谷, 思考題都可以有model answer背, 強呀

正如國內同胞都可以背到托福滿分, 美國都怕咗佢哋。中國人(包括香港)真係宇宙最強。

作者: judy 時間: 15-11-27 16:59

他們的學習模式唔一樣, 功課多以論文作答, 而且重視多角度分析, 所以思考模式已經接近大學教育模式了。至於DSE, 大家都明白係咩一回事了。

洋八股啫！

有冇資料表示讀IB的更多能投身學術科研、發明創遠呢？

作者: judy 時間: 15-11-27 17:09

IB都要高分至考得入non-Jupus,

應該要高分才可考入"神科"。但要高分並不太難(相為DSE)

作者: yanange 時間: 15-11-27 17:55

本帖最後由 yanange 於 15-11-27 17:55 編輯

little_yolky 發表於 15-11-27 16:30
我唔覺真係捷徑, IB都要高分至考得入non-Jupus, 而且, 讀IB既學生真係靈活好多, 對學術科研方面係比較優勝, ...

harder to do well in IB, ALL students must take humanities, science, languages you know. IB has tonnes of essays, also IB courses in top HK LS schools are all for the top students anyway.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-11-27 18:43

本帖最後由 annie40 於 15-11-27 18:46 編輯

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educa ... -to-university.html

Why IB is the perfect passport to university?

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-11-28 11:09 標題: 回覆：大學捷徑

嗰節目中已講non jupas 包括所有非 DSE 生, 但無奈IB 又往往成為箭靶, 我土法估計 (綱友列出香港IB 人數 x 30%) 香港IB 生约佔 non jupas 学位 20% +, 所以話 non jupas 大户应不是IB 生, 究竟是在英國讀AL 港生, 在港讀副学士/高級文憑定其他? 嗰節目只講DSE 學生努力讀書, 其實IB 或其他学生一樣要努力才有机会取得好成績, IB 生亦有考得不理想, 取不到diploma, 不過少人会講。 annie40 post 的文章已詳述IB 生受大学歡迎原因，DSE 設計亦有参考IB 內容, 始終DSE 新, 或者十年後 the telegraph 会寫一编 “ why HK DSE is the perfect passport to university?”

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-28 16:54

如果DSE入大學要求係3(英)222，jupas 同 non-jupas會公平啲。

作者: weiwei 時間: 15-11-28 17:06

作者: NoahArk 時間: 15-11-28 17:38 標題: 回覆：大學捷徑

本帖最後由 NoahArk 於 15-11-28 20:41 編輯

Deleted. Foolish of me to bother to respond to TVB stuff.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-11-29 12:45 標題: 引用：如果DSE入大學要求係3(英)222，jupas+同+no

原帖由 cow 於 15-11-28 發表
如果DSE入大學要求係3(英)222，jupas 同 non-jupas會公平啲。

應該22222最合適

等同會考合格！

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-29 13:12

jupas最唔公平就係要求中文3。non-jupas有的不用中文，中大港大non-jupad都係要求小學程度的(I)GCSE 中文.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-11-29 14:00 標題: 引用：jupas最唔公平就係要求中文3。non-jupas有

原帖由 cow 於 15-11-29 發表
jupas最唔公平就係要求中文3。non-jupas有的不用中文，中大港大non-jupad都係要求小學程度的(I)GCSE 中文. ...

你要問教育局當初點解咁定！

我估英文要3是大學要求，因為絕大部分大學學科都是EMI，但回歸後，要政治正確，不能落後於英文，自然要3囉！

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-29 14:45

It appears Hong Kong people think DSE English is equivalent to English class in the US, UK or IB.
DSE English is second language level while Chinese is at first language level.
If students feel they have a hard time with learning Chinese, they should request for a new English DSE curriculum at first language level. Then they can choose whether they want to study first language English or first language Chinese.

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-29 15:13

hku only requires
- Grade B or better in English Second Language at IGCSE; or
- An overall band of 6.5 or better in IELTS; or

作者: caa 時間: 15-11-29 16:01

IGCSE English first language and DSE English has a gap. DSE English is definitely second language and very very different from English as first language

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-29 18:04

caa 發表於 15-11-29 16:01
IGCSE English first language and DSE English has a gap. DSE English is definitely second language an ...

Therefore I have pointed out that hku accepts IGCSE English secondary language.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-29 22:25

cow 發表於 15-11-29 15:13
hku only requires
- Grade B or better in English Second Language at IGCSE; or
- An overall band of 6 ...

In that case, then please keep working hard on your first language, which is Chinese.Students in other countries all have to fulfil a certain level of grades in a first language.
Do not tell me universities in Hong Kong can accept students who fail in Chinese.

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-29 22:52

As I said before for non-jupas some universities require IGCSE Chinese while some do not have any requirements in Chinese Language.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-29 23:06

cow 發表於 15-11-29 22:52
As I said before for non-jupas some universities require IGCSE Chinese while some do not have any re ...

人地 non-jupas ，有其他 language 係 first language。
即係舉例，香港 IB 可以有人中文 first language或英攴 first language。
個重點，係點都要有 first language 卦？
香港人 dse 英文巳經 second language ，咁中文又話唔讀，咁即係一科 first language class 都冇？
咁搞笑？

作者: penguin_chick 時間: 15-11-30 01:08

現時DSE中文獲三級或以上有約50%，即兩個有一個達標，還說困難，如果英文轉first language level ，恐怕只有20%達標，這不是胡說，因升中時適合以英語學習的學生正是20%。但到頭來EMI學生考通識還是多數轉回用中文考，即是那20%仍有水份！

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-30 01:37

我係針對入大學要求，港大科大要求IGCSE English second language B. 中大要C但無講first/second language. 中大港大要IGCSE中文C。

如果DSE中英文有first and second languages. 咁DSE同IB入U的最低要求會較公平，但也要修改其他入學要求如GCE，一個first language加一個second language(不計IELTS）。

作者: annie40 時間: 15-11-30 07:28

回覆 cow 的帖子

jupas最唔公平就係要求中文3。non-jupas有的不用中文，中大港大non-jupad都係要求小學程度的(I)GCSE 中文.

xxxxxx

IGCSE的1st lanuguage不算深，但內容應超於小學程度，那些在DSE中文不合格學生，拿Bgrade 或A grade 以上亦非十拿九穩。

作者: brother4 時間: 15-11-30 07:58 標題: 回覆：大學捷徑

本地神科用英語教授，但工作面對中文，對non jupas只能用IB/AL的中文成績收生，因政府規定的，一是全dse成績報大學，或全IB/AL成績報

作者: little_yolky 時間: 15-11-30 09:46

yanange 發表於 15-11-27 17:55
harder to do well in IB, ALL students must take humanities, science, languages you know. IB has ton ...

harder to do well in IB <==== 十分同意。原本讀IB對學生的要求就是較高的, 讀IB而又要攞高分是十分的困難。所以, 何解大學教授喜歡收IB生是有原因的。

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-30 10:20

本帖最後由 nintendo 於 15-11-30 10:30 編輯

cow 發表於 15-11-30 01:37
我係針對入大學要求，港大科大要求IGCSE English second language B. 中大要C但無講first/second language. ...

如果DSE中英文有first and second languages. 咁DSE同IB入U的最低要求會較公平，

======

It is very fair already now.
All IB students take 2 languages. One first language one second language. (Some more competent students would take 2 languages at first language level.)
DSE also take 2 languages. One first language one second language.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-30 10:34

penguin_chick 發表於 15-11-30 01:08
現時DSE中文獲三級或以上有約50%，即兩個有一個達標，還說困難，如果英文轉first language level ，恐怕只 ...

A lot of local students are simply not aware that their English curriculum is second language.

作者: hogwarts 時間: 15-11-30 10:41 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+nintendo+於+15-11-30+10:29+

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-11-30 發表
本帖最後由 nintendo 於 15-11-30 10:30 編輯

是的，如果不是香港華裔學生，不用同一中文收生標準，是非常合理的，甚至非華裔香港學生都應該不用考慮DSE中文，但這些以海外成績和 lB 入大學的香港華裔學生通道，個人看法，的確為家庭有資源和不願冒 DSE 中文這個大風險的學生，提供一個 more equal 的選擇。

政府官員及大學中的教授們的子女大多唸什麼課程，心知道就好了。

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-30 10:59

nintendo 發表於 15-11-30 10:34
A lot of local students are simply not aware that their English curriculum is second language.

But DSE students cannot choose English first language, Chinese second language while IB students can. Moreover, GCE students can just use IELTS plus IGCSE Chinese to fullfill the requirements.

作者: Bluemoonty 時間: 15-11-30 11:04

long0 發表於 15-11-27 14:36
我接受其實走後門都係實力的一種有錢亦係

如果IB好D就應該所有人用IB考廢咗DSE

IB tuition fee is very expensive not every family can afford it

作者: little_yolky 時間: 15-11-30 11:17

Bluemoonty 有錢讀IB就話啫發表於 10 分鐘前

係, 有錢一定讀IB, 小朋友思想都好D。

作者: hogwarts 時間: 15-11-30 11:30 標題: 引用：Bluemoonty++有錢讀IB就話啫++發表於+10+分

原帖由 little_yolky 於 15-11-30 發表
Bluemoonty 有錢讀IB就話啫發表於 10 分鐘前

IB 學生思想好 D？

願聞其詳。

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-30 11:34

hogwarts 發表於 15-11-30 10:41
個人看法，的確為家庭有資源和不願冒 DSE 中文這個大風險的學生

唔 take DSE 中文，要 take IB English A or Chinese A，似乎對香港學生更大風險。
IB Language A，要 cover 十幾本書，考試要 base on these works to do comparison, 另外又有 unseen work，要做analysis， commentary，全部 essay questions。唔係好似 DSE 中文，comprehension 重玩 multiple choice。

我未見過外國有邊個高中 curriculum 係唔需要一科 first language，UK US Canada 英文科基本上是 literature 為主。
台灣大陸日本，本國語文科都唔易。
成日話 DSE 中文難，咁唔讀中文，用邊科做 first language？
英文？好！你地有信心，可以改到 curriculum 係 first language level ，冇問題，重好，到時去英國升學唔需要考 IELTS。

作者: TwinWong 時間: 15-11-30 12:06

fion6406 發表於 15-11-27 16:39
IB 點會無得谷，你Google 下「IB 補習」睇下，好多「教育工作者」一早已經睇到呢個市場潛力。

...

睇中揾商機

作者: Bluemoonty 時間: 15-11-30 12:09

hogwarts 發表於 15-11-30 11:30
IB 學生思想好 D？

believe his point ...meaning of student with more creative thinking, more practice on their home work, team work, assignment as well as more initiative during the program from S4-6

作者: caa 時間: 15-11-30 12:22

I think students need to study Shakespeare or similar literature for English as first language. I remember seeing a post saying HK kids not up to reading Times magazine etc. I wonder if DSE students in general can really take English as first language for reading and writing, not to mention speaking and listening

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-30 13:08

caa 發表於 15-11-30 12:22
I wonder if DSE students in general can really take English as first language for reading and writing

In general, NO; but some can, for example those switch to IBDP after S4.

作者: caa 時間: 15-11-30 13:19

cow 發表於 15-11-30 13:08
In general, NO; but some can, for example those switch to IBDP after S4.

Only a very small proportion of students in HK can switch from local curriculum to IBDP. Then out of that small proportion, not all pursue English A. Some students can choose English B (as second language) for IBDP.
On the other hand, there are also some students who study IB or non-local curriculum all the way take both languages at native level, i.e. taking English A and Chinese A together

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-30 13:25

問題係有的學生無財力讀DSE以外的課程, 而DSE要中英３又太死板，學生無得揀．有的Ｕ謀的系又亂咁收non-jupas, 又或者驚死人唔讀, set到個conditional offer鬼咁低(IBDP29分, GCE BCC). 講真IB35分GCE AAA可以入好多科, 但DSE555都仲要睇其他科考成點.

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-30 13:39

本帖最後由 cow 於 15-11-30 13:41 編輯

caa 發表於 15-11-30 13:19
On the other hand, there are also some students who study IB or non-local curriculum all the way take both languages at native level, i.e. taking English A and Chinese A together

What you said are correct. However, if one studies GCE, one just needs IELTS 6/6.5 or IGCSE grade B/C in English second language, and IGCSE in Chinese language (properly second language is ok), even though one studies both languages at native level.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-30 15:40

cow 發表於 15-11-30 13:25
問題係有的學生無財力讀DSE以外的課程, 而DSE要中英３又太死板，學生無得揀．有的Ｕ謀的系又亂咁收non-jupas, 又或者驚死人唔讀, set到個conditional offer鬼咁低(IBDP29分, GCE BCC). 講真IB35分GCE AAA可以入好多科, 但DSE555都仲要睇其他科考成點.

有的Ｕ謀的系又亂咁收non-jupas, 又或者驚死人唔讀, set到個conditional offer鬼咁低(IBDP29分, GCE BCC)

<===== You have got things mixed up.

"Conditions" are different from "threshold". Universities give offers to students by looking at their predicted grades. My understanding is that, you need a predicted grades of around 38 to get admission to most programs at HKU CUHK (may be lower for some programs and definitely higher for programs like medicine, law, and finance). Not sure which program you are talking about that asked for a final score of 29. But that student definitely did not have a PG of 29.

This is a common practice for lots of universities in western countries. Because admission process starts as early as September and would end in January. No student can provide universities a final grade (whether IB, AL, etc). All universities look at predicted grades or internal grades. Some US universities even give out firm offers. Some say that is "unconditional offer", because they no longer care what you get for final grades once you made it to meet that entrance threshold.

So please do not mix up the "condition" and the threshold.

May be Hong Kong students are not used to the admission process elsewhere.

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-30 15:48

回覆 nintendo 的帖子

Yes, I am talking about conditional offer of 29 marks. End up the student got 4x marks.

作者: cow 時間: 15-11-30 16:07

See how UNSW compares IBDP with HKDSE.

IBDP 35 HKDSE 21 (best 5) 5**,5*=6, 5=5, maths 5**,5*=3, 5=2.5
IBDP 38 HKDSE 24 (best 5)

http://www.international.unsw.ed ... derGrad_dragged.pdf

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-30 16:27

cow 發表於 15-11-30 16:07
See how UNSW compares IBDP with HKDSE.

IBDP 35 HKDSE 21 (best 5) 5**,5*=6, 5=5, maths 5**,5*=3, 5=2 ...

Wow. Well done. Ha ha.]\

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-30 16:51

cow 發表於 15-11-30 15:48
回覆 nintendo 的帖子

Yes, I am talking about conditional offer of 29 marks. End up the student got ...

講清楚的好。
最怕有 D 人真係以為咁著數， 29 分入到大學。

作者: hogwarts 時間: 15-11-30 16:52 標題: 引用：問題係有的學生無財力讀DSE以外的課程,+而D

原帖由 cow 於 15-11-30 發表
問題係有的學生無財力讀DSE以外的課程, 而DSE要中英３又太死板，學生無得揀．有的Ｕ謀的系又亂咁收non-jupa ...

真是不能同意更多了！

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-11-30 17:07 標題: 引用：回覆+nintendo+的帖子 Yes,+I+am+talking+

原帖由 cow 於 15-11-30 發表
回覆 nintendo 的帖子

Yes, I am talking about conditional offer of 29 marks. End up the student got ...

conditional offer 越低, 越代表大学想收這個学生, oxford law typical conditional offer is IB 38, 但如学生 predicted grade 只有 38, 机会基本是零

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-11-30 17:23 標題: 引用：Quote:cow+發表於+15-11-30+16:07+See+how+

原帖由 nintendo 於 15-11-30 發表
Wow. Well done. Ha ha.]

Apple to orange comparison.

Best of 5 vs six subjects + bonus.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-30 18:02

poonseelai 發表於 15-11-30 17:07
conditional offer 越低, 越代表大学想收這個学生, oxford law typical conditional offer is IB 38, 但如 ...

香港學生，係唔明 conditional offer 點 work。
其實 PG 越高，condition 可以越低。
朋友個仔 PG 41，有 conditional offer 係科科合格就得，即 4 x 6 = 24 分。
有 D 人聽一半，就以為等於 24 分就收。

唉，講 D 告講 D，害死好多人。

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-11-30 18:10

本帖最後由 nintendo 於 15-11-30 18:13 編輯

ANChan59 發表於 15-11-30 17:23
Apple to orange comparison.

Best of 5 vs six subjects + bonus.

是但啦。
其實我地仔女入晒大學，對我地冇影響，
但有時怕其他人誤會，以為 29 分可以入 HK 的大學，
講真，29 分去到外國都好難入到似樣的大學，有的二缐都要 33-34 ，HK 點可能收 29 分？

作者: daisychan 時間: 15-11-30 22:43

本帖最後由 daisychan 於 15-11-30 22:44 編輯

nintendo 發表於 15-11-30 18:10
是但啦。
其實我地仔女入晒大學，對我地冇影響，
但有時怕其他人誤會，以為 29 分可以入 HK 的大學，

之唔係，有啲人故意以偏概全，等一些不知情人仕仲以為IB真係好着數，好易入本地大學熱門學系。

作者: NoahArk 時間: 15-12-1 09:01 標題: 回覆：daisychan 的帖子

I know a boy who applied to HKU law with 43 IB points. The university made a conditional offer of 37. Obviously HKU liked him but he went to Durham instead (smart boy). Some of his classmates applying with 40 and 41 did not get an interview. The point is: although 37 looks easy, those applying need 41+ to have a chance of getting shortlisted.

作者: NoahArk 時間: 15-12-1 09:05 標題: 回覆：NoahArk 的帖子

Looking merely at the IB final offers is pointless, and may lead one to believe that Bristol is a better university than UCL.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-12-2 11:18

本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 15-12-3 07:00 編輯

我成日都感覺得所謂的dse 好能係傳媒補習社加升學agent 一齊吹噓。
所謂gce al 易，真係好視乎你選邊個board同邊一科。咁易大家不防叫子女考下英文外語歷史法律，唔好下下比較數學中文，而且igcse 中文第一語言cie 作文600字，都唔係話無難度

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-12-2 11:51

本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 16-5-22 23:59 編輯

penguin_chick 發表於 15-11-30 01:08
現時DSE中文獲三級或以上有約50%，即兩個有一個達標，還說困難，如果英文轉first language level ，恐怕只 ...

del.....

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-12-2 11:55

本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 16-5-22 23:59 編輯

cow 發表於 15-11-29 13:12
jupas最唔公平就係要求中文3。non-jupas有的不用中文，中大港大non-jupad都係要求小學程度的(I)GCSE 中文. ...

del....

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-12-2 11:58 標題: 引用：我成日都感覺得所謂的dse+好難係傳媒補習社

原帖由 samsam123321 於 15-12-02 發表
我成日都感覺得所謂的dse 好難係傳媒補習社加升學agent 一齊吹噓。
所謂gce al 易，真係好視乎你選邊個boar ...

我記得有一年訪問其中一個DSE狀元, 他說中文科最難是要估改卷員想要你答什麼, 聽落都驚

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-12-2 12:08

回覆 samsam123321 的帖子

5%考得惦

*****

You mean pass or credit or above ???

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-12-2 12:09

poonseelai 發表於 15-12-2 11:58
我記得有一年訪問其中一個DSE狀元, 他說中文科最難是要估改卷員想要你答什麼, 聽落都驚

...

That's not the curriculum issue ..... model answer and marker issues.

作者: ramuza 時間: 15-12-2 22:59 標題: 回覆：TwinWong 的帖子

其實有冇數據可以睇到med, law, dentistry 收幾多dse , non jupas

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-12-2 23:34

本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 16-5-23 00:00 編輯

ANChan59 發表於 15-12-2 12:08
回覆 samsam123321 的帖子

5%考得惦

del....

作者: slamai 時間: 15-12-3 00:28

samsam123321 發表於 15-12-2 23:34
跟據2011年AL eng lit 人數，145人。我想考得惦的人，就算x 10, 都唔多過5%

Why not quote 2015 DSE instead? 384 candidates took Literature in English.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-12-3 00:51

本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 16-5-23 00:00 編輯

slamai 發表於 15-12-3 00:28
Why not quote 2015 DSE instead? 384 candidates took Literature in English.

del.....

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-12-3 06:49

hogwarts 發表於 15-11-30 10:41
是的，如果不是香港華裔學生，不用同一中文收生標準，是非常合理的，甚至非華裔香港學生都應該不用考慮DSE ...

其實GCEAL，大家都可以隨便報，你們講到咁易，求其都可以入U，仲唔去報？仲考DSE？

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-12-3 07:50 標題: 引用：Quote:hogwarts+發表於+15-11-30+10:41+是

原帖由 samsam123321 於 15-12-03 發表
其實GCEAL，大家都可以隨便報，你們講到咁易，求其都可以入U，仲唔去報？仲考DSE？ ...

第一。為嘈而嘈

第二。成日將DSE＝HKAL

作者: brother4 時間: 15-12-3 08:49 標題: 回覆：大學捷徑

點解IB吾可以自己報考，唔公平!

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-12-3 09:42 標題: 引用：點解IB吾可以自己報考，唔公平! +

原帖由 brother4 於 15-12-03 發表
點解IB吾可以自己報考，唔公平!

因IB不是一試定生死, 每科分數有部分(最多3成) 來自 internal assessment + external moderation

作者: Artie 時間: 15-12-3 10:31

本帖最後由 Artie 於 16-3-4 12:18 編輯

poonseelai 發表於 15-12-2 11:58
我記得有一年訪問其中一個DSE狀元, 他說中文科最難是要估改卷員想要你答什麼, 聽落都驚

作者: Artie 時間: 15-12-3 10:33

本帖最後由 Artie 於 16-3-4 12:19 編輯

ramuza 發表於 15-12-2 22:59
其實有冇數據可以睇到med, law, dentistry 收幾多dse , non jupas

作者: Artie 時間: 15-12-3 10:42

本帖最後由 Artie 於 16-3-4 12:19 編輯

brother4 發表於 15-12-3 08:49
點解IB吾可以自己報考，唔公平!

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-12-3 10:55 標題: 引用：點解IB吾可以自己報考，唔公平! +

原帖由 brother4 於 15-12-03 發表
點解IB吾可以自己報考，唔公平!

IB 是一個整合課程，而非一個普通公開試。

課程所學，有相當比例不在考試中反映，單憑公開試成績，或只看重成績，等如入寶山，空山回。

Artie亦解釋了其他重點！

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-12-3 10:59 標題: 引用：點解IB吾可以自己報考，唔公平! +

原帖由 brother4 於 15-12-03 發表
點解IB吾可以自己報考，唔公平!

IB 是一個整合課程，而非一個單純的公開試。

課程所學，有相當比例不在考試中反映，單憑公開試成績，或只看重成績，等如入寶山，空山回。

Artie 亦解釋了其他重點！

作者: NoahArk 時間: 15-12-3 12:55 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+brother4+於+15-12-03+發表點

原帖由 ANChan59 於 15-12-03 發表
IB 是一個整合課程，而非一個單純的公開試。

'入寶山，空手回' 。正是正是，IB課程中一大部分，例如論文格式要求、研究方式、表達方式、對思考的要求，根本是大學程度，一般本地學校想也不敢想。至於中英文，考lB係中文同國也及台灣學生鬥，英文同英國學生鬥，你估真係咁容易。俾份中文卷本地生睇睇相信大部分揀番DSE。

作者: brother4 時間: 15-12-3 13:42 標題: 回覆：大學捷徑

Dse狀元，Al狀元，IB狀元全是

，邊個適合邊科，大學咁多年收生至畢業，大學自己最清楚，估不肯講清講楚，可能學生行的路是(捷徑)???

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-3 15:44

Due to sickness, a teen has been missing deadline to submit application to Oxbridge via UCAS on/before 15 Oct. Her PG is 44 scores and has great passion in political science and international relations. She has not taken SAT yet, but planning to take a gap year for SAT preparation and internship, and then go to college.

May I know if there are suggested paths or colleges that she should go to and apply for. Would it be possible to submit application to Cambridge after deadline?

Thank you for all advices in advance.

作者: tingtingting 時間: 15-12-3 16:34

annie40 發表於 15-12-3 15:44
Due to sickness, a teen has been missing deadline to submit application to Oxbridge via UCAS on/bef ...

Definitely too late to apply to Oxbridge. In fact, interviews are starting in a few days. If she has her mind fixed on Oxbridge, she can take a gap year and apply for 2017 admission with her 2016 results. If her final IB scores (not predicted) are high enough, he may get an unconditional offer, subject of course to admission tests like TSA (thinking skills assessment, not HK TSA).

There are many excellent universities in the UK other than Oxbridge. Ask the girl to start writing her personal statement and apply before UCAS deadline. With 44, there is a good chance that she can get into PPE/politics/international relation etc. at LSE/UCL/Durham etc. There is still time.

BTW, how come has she not taken her SAT? Those who are serious about US universities have taken two or more rounds of SAT, SAT II and even APs by now.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-3 17:32

She didn't have much time to study SAT, plus 2 subjects tests last year as the heavy involvement in IB homeworks and activities. She doesn't take PHy/Chem/Bio and Maths HL in IB that limit her choices in SAT subject tests. She is good at History and Eng Lit, but SAT HIstory (USA) and Eng Lit (USA) are alien subjects to her. She would need to study it hard to have good grade, I guess.

She would prefer to study in US when personally I and my husband hope she would stay in UK. singh......... I am suspicous It could be part of reasons she was not keen to submit ucas application to oxbridge on time. (even busy and sick).

Also, zero application to universities in HK.

作者: slamai 時間: 15-12-3 18:00

annie40 發表於 15-12-3 15:44
Due to sickness, a teen has been missing deadline to submit application to Oxbridge via UCAS on/bef ...

Too late for Oxbridge now. Of course there are other top universities still open for application. If Oxbridge is still the primary target, there are also alternative paths other than taking a gap year. Is the girl planning to take only SAT I or also SAT II subjects? Anyway, even allowing for internship, a full gap year is not a must. I do have alternatives to suggest. Since studying in Oxbridge will be very intense, it should not be a bad idea to study in one of the Big 3 U's of HK for one year before moving on to UK. There are a number of reasons. The first one is to keep a healthy balance between work/study and rest after the DP exam as the first year of U life in HK is rather 'hea'. 2nd, if the actual IB score is 44 or above, there should be scholarship offered to cover at least a full year's tuition fee (say, from CU). 3rd, a U place in HK is always a backup option as no one can be certain for a place in Oxbridge no matter how bright s/he is. Sickness, jet lag, nervousness, etc. can affect performance. I remember reading a post in EK some years ago that a DBS boy who got 44 in IB took a gap year to apply for Oxbridge only (forfeiting other 4 choices in UCAS) but failed to get in finally and left himself in a very awkward situation. 4th, to extend one's network. IB students who study in IS/UK have very limited network locally. Studying in a local U of HK for one year can broaden the girl's network here if she does not preclude coming back to HK. 5th, while relaxing, taking a U course keeps her in a 'study' mode which can prepare her for the Oxbridge interview in early Dec by enhancing her knowledge of the subject and help her become more mature (for being a U student already). Lastly, I recommend the PPE course of Oxford based on her interests.

作者: friendlyguy 時間: 15-12-3 18:21

本帖最後由 friendlyguy 於 15-12-3 18:23 編輯

Please don't waste a place in the Big 3 U's of HK. There are many other youngsters not fortunate enough to have such a luxury.

作者: slamai 時間: 15-12-3 18:26

annie40 發表於 15-12-3 17:32
She didn't have much time to study SAT, plus 2 subjects tests last year as the heavy involvement in ...

Although fast track application is closed for Big 3 U's in HK, the main round application is still open. In fact, the latter round is more suitable for candidates who do not set U's in HK as their priorities.

Does the girl have green card? I understand that it is double hard to get into top US U's for international applicants and there are so many factors which may affect the admission results.

作者: slamai 時間: 15-12-3 18:35

friendlyguy 發表於 15-12-3 18:21
Please don't waste a place in the Big 3 U's of HK. There are many other youngsters not fortunate eno ...

There are "Senior Year Places of Full-time UGC-funded Undergraduate Programmes" open for application and I don't think the vacant place in Year 2 will be "wasted".

作者: friendlyguy 時間: 15-12-3 18:46

本帖最後由 friendlyguy 於 15-12-3 23:35 編輯

Then please just apply to those degrees have such schemes.

But still, there is one less chance for the unfortunate seconary school leaver (IB or DSE) in Hong kong to be admitted to the degree programme.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-3 20:55

謝謝大家的關心和寶貴意見。

自己不大懂考大學的事，孩子有讀書的能力，因此很少過問，自己看過一些大學資料后，只會轉給她，不會參與太多意見，怕是愈幫愈忙了。外子幾乎是沒意見。

九月底孩子告訴說不申請oxbridge 了，因又病又忙，準備gap year 一年，再考美國大學，(當時想也許成績未達標，沒追問下去），跟著她已經通過一些前輩在北歐找到很好的internship。那知近月她又報了兩間US Top U, 兩間UK U，我是這星期才知道。其中一間是很好的 liberal art college, 竟然沒有SAT都約佢去London interview, 開始擔心萬一收左佢，一般要交多少留位費待gap year 后入讀，仲要懷疑gap year 完了，去唔去讀也不大肯定。唔留位，可能錯失好學校？

朋友間沒有這些經驗，唯有查清楚，總體有點心理準。最後成績如何，還要等明年考完試才確定。也許考試失手，又決定唔take gap year，高高興興上學去，就一天光洒。

開始想自己是參與得太遅（其實我是沒得揀），定擔心留位費得太早，十分矛盾。請賜教。

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-3 22:05

本帖最後由 annie40 於 15-12-3 22:07 編輯

回覆 slamai 的帖子

Thank you for all suggestions and information. Would it be awkward that you apply for undergraduate when you are already a year one uni student next year. May I know the university admission officers' opinion about it? I always thought they dislike transfer students.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-3 23:43

回覆 friendlyguy 的帖子

真的十分感謝你們的支持。無論孩子在甚麼關口，總有讓父母不知所措的日子，是因為我們太愛孩子而想多了嗎？

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-12-3 23:49

annie40 發表於 15-12-3 22:05
回覆 slamai 的帖子

Thank you for all suggestions and information. Would it be awkward that you app ...

Don't worry. A friend's daughter moved from HKU law to Oxford law after year 1. If my understanding is correct, however, Oxford does not accept applications from students already studying in universities in the UK.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-4 07:51

點評

ANChan59 No support from the school at all ..... ??? The University Admission Officer supervised the admissio 發表於 7 小時前

Anchan, the school is superb in learning and self seeking. they love challenges and independence much more than uni admission. SAT is self study definitely.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-4 08:25

我和丈夫的想法是只要孩子知道自己的打算，用gap year 一年裝備自己，也是好事。反正當全職侍應賺錢，可以幫補學費，去做NGO也是學習，做背包客是年輕時才可支付的瀟灑，全部都不是在大學可以學到的東西。

私底下是擔心如果有英美學校收，又願意等一年，一般留位費會否很高？(一年后未必肯定上學）。在收錄否也未清楚的情況下，不好意思過直接問學校。

作者: Artie 時間: 15-12-4 10:21

本帖最後由 Artie 於 16-3-4 12:20 編輯

annie40 發表於 15-12-4 08:25
我和丈夫的想法是只要孩子知道自己的打算，用gap year 一年裝備自己，也是好事。反正當全職侍應賺錢，可以 ...

作者: ANChan59 時間: 15-12-4 10:34

回覆 annie40 的帖子

If she knows what she is doing and she insists to do in this way, yes, nothing we can do.
Pray for her !!!

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-4 11:09

Dear Artie,

Thank you for your lovely support.

My silent frustration could be there is no reason that she is not trying to apply Uni in HK or oxbridge under such high PG .No back up needed.

She is sourceful and has wide networking that she would have internship definitely. I wonder if she has time to study SAT , plus subjects when taking kind of serious intern jobs later. ? ?

Once a very wise scientist says it is parent's job to keep kids survive before the completion of truly growing up. Their brains are different. It is so true.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-12-4 11:16

I maybe better to dive into good books or go for running to regain a bit of perspective in times of extreme intensity.

I am reading The Art of Learning right now. It is a gem.

歡迎光臨教育王國 (/)