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作者: The4Ace 時間: 15-10-12 11:44 標題: Local schools vs International Schools

My daughter and my son are studying in two well sought-after local schools in Kowloon Tong. They are in primary 6 and primary 5 respectively. We are debating if they should stay with the local system or change over to international schools for better preparation for university education in UK/US and developing them into well-rounded persons. Have any of you even had such kind of debate? Would you please share your view?
For those who are pro international schools, what do you think about ESF schools, ISF, CIS and Harrows?
Thanks!

作者: 964000 時間: 15-10-12 15:04 標題: 引用：My+daughter+and+my+son+are+studying+in+t

原帖由 The4Ace 於 15-10-12 發表
My daughter and my son are studying in two well sought-after local schools in Kowloon Tong. They ar ...

No offend, I think if you switch to IS at this stage, you might have missed the best part of IS already. Maybe another option would be to study in overseas boarding school to get a better transition to overseas uni.

作者: yamin 時間: 15-10-12 19:18 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+The4Ace+於+15-10-12+發表My+

原帖由 964000 於 15-10-12 發表
No offend, I think if you switch to IS at this stage, you might have missed the best part of IS alre ...

my husband and I got different views on whether local schools or international schools. My kid is now K2. I prefer my kid study at local school because we are local chinese. cantonese is our mother tongue. I wonder if our language and culture could not support my kid to study at IS. however, my husband thought it would not be a problem as kids can adapt very well. Do you think if language/culture is a concern? You mentioned that changing from LS to IS at primary 5/6 is going to miss the best part of IS. Do you mean missing the best part of the curriculum or else? Can you tell us more about that? I also think of letting my son study at local primary school and then change to international secondary schools.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-10-12 20:38 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+The4Ace+於+15-10-12+發表My+

原帖由 964000 於 15-10-12 發表
No offend, I think if you switch to IS at this stage, you might have missed the best part of IS alre ...

No offence, are you saying if one misses certain imaginary golden period, it is better to not do it at all?

Eg, I have missed the golden period of learning English, should I just give up learning English?

作者: oooray 時間: 15-10-12 20:44 標題: 回覆：yamin 的帖子

If the best part is schooling without examination, yes, you have already missed the best part.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-10-12 20:53

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網友孩子還在念小學，未經歷中學，暫時意見不能作準

作者: annie40 時間: 15-10-12 21:18

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如果財政上可以負擔，孩子才十一二歲轉讀國際學校，適應上完全不是問題。記憶中大部份轉讀的學生，成績不錯，中文又好，英文亦跟得上，很快便投入新生活。據悉插班的空缺很少，亦不易考入，孩子要及早打下良好的英文基礎。
至於各校，各有文化特色，也許先搜集資料，向朋友問意見後再分析。

初中時的學習輕鬆愉快，學生可以向多方面發展興趣。

作者: 964000 時間: 15-10-12 21:18 標題: 引用：If+the+best+part+is+schooling+without+ex

原帖由 oooray 於 15-10-12 發表
If the best part is schooling without examination, yes, you have already missed the best part.

Yes that is my point, I think the local lower primary curriculum is too pushy and demanding for the age. They have too much exams and tests and homework.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-10-12 21:26 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+oooray+於+15-10-12+發表If+t

原帖由 964000 於 15-10-12 發表
Yes that is my point, I think the local lower primary curriculum is too pushy and demanding for the ...

I am not questioning primary school differences. If there is still difference between the local school secondary curriculum and the IS secondary curriculum, should we get the benefits too?

作者: Jumboshrimp 時間: 15-10-12 22:33 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+oooray+於+15-10-12+發表If+t

原帖由 964000 於 15-10-12 發表
Yes that is my point, I think the local lower primary curriculum is too pushy and demanding for the ...

Totally agree with u. To be honest I'm the type of parent who wanna run away from the crazy local education system and thus opting for international school.

作者: Li2015 時間: 15-10-12 22:48 標題: 回覆：Local schools vs International Schools

You might have missed the no or little homework pressure for primary but I don't think u have missed out "the best part". I was in a public school both in hk and aboard in primary and transitioned into an international in secondary. Pros and cons of course in every decision and for me it was because my lack of Chinese. But having studied in hk I also remembered the pressure and homework and made me to appreciate IS more and not take it for granted.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-10-12 23:02

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樓主如果有國際promise

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-10-12 23:05

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Li2015 發表於 15-10-12 22:48
You might have missed the no or little homework pressure for primary but I don't think u have missed ...

無中文.

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-10-12 23:50 標題: 回覆：Local schools vs International Schools

你在國際版問這個問題, 大部分回应家長都有孩子在国際学校或提供国際課程學見就讀, 意思比較傾向国際。你提問的四間學校在EK有很多討論, 可search下先, 要留意ESF和CIS是13年制, 中學由year 7開始, 等同本地六年級, 2016/17 年ESF year 7 central application 上月尾已截止, CIS 同樣多D位会给申請 year 7的外來生。真有興趣上学校網頁看清楚, 申請咗先啦, 間間都不易。

作者: The4Ace 時間: 15-10-13 09:15

Thank you all for your feedback.
Apart from smooth transition to overseas Uni, one of my major concerns is the change in my children's learning attitude.  My son used to be a creative, curious and eager learner.  The 'no question' policy and 'pushy' curriculum at school has started to discourage his eagerness to learn.  He has been asking me why he is punished for asking questions. My daughter has been trained to follow model answers.  I am worried that she'll become a copy cat.
I was told that IB is not an easy curriculum but can train children to be good problem solver and have critical thinking skills.  However, I am not sure if IS is really that good.
Leaving a 'famous' local school for an IS is a big and, to many, a strange decision.  I am trying to see if any of you have faced such dilemma.

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-10-13 10:24 標題: 引用：Thank+you+all+for+your+feedback.Apart+fr

原帖由 The4Ace 於 15-10-13 發表
Thank you all for your feedback.
Apart from smooth transition to overseas Uni, one of my major conce ...

唔好介意, 建議你現階段看多些資料, 了先解不同学校和课程, 否則未清楚情況討論亦未必有结果。学校和課程只是一个平台,同一平台有孩子发揮好, 有些差D, IS 不是霻丹妙薬, 一入見效, 你孩子入讀的話已是中學, 要求同小学已有差別, 亦要開始留意成績, 無論IB或A level最後都有公開試。其實轉入IS 除了子女父母亦要適應, 見過例子母親執著用LS mind set , 结果苦了孩子。

作者: oooray 時間: 15-10-13 12:40 標題: 回覆：poonseelai 的帖子

你的回應實在精準。所有"想"轉IS的家長應細味箇中道理。

作者: oooray 時間: 15-10-13 13:01 標題: 回覆：The4Ace 的帖子

其實最後一段是你的心聲。放棄得來不易的現狀，投進陌生國度而無法保證成功(如樓上家長所言，換套新校服不代表孩子便會脫胎換骨，學校只提供平台，孩子仍要加倍努力)。
在你掙札之餘，是否仍在口舌之爭，還是已開始報名行動？如前者，我有信心到孩子中學畢業時仍未有定論。
另你挣札之餘，有否跟孩子談過，是否願意接受改變的挑戰？(我的孩子在Year1及Year4轉校時，我也要開家庭會議，父母，當事人及姊/第一起討論，四方同意才行動)。
剛成為中學家長，已感到孩子在學校生活(包括學業，活動，社交)要非常主動及努力才有機會成功。
就你的情况而言，好像未有表示孩子的意向。
至於"名校家長"這光環，已不是成功與否的關鍵。

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-10-13 15:35

我都係土生土長，但我真係吾覺「名校家長」係也野光環。當年我小朋友考到入IS，連大抽獎都費事。本地學校最大優點係吾使錢，但計啱條數就得。

又有話，為面子，小朋友讀吾上都夾硬留在名校吾轉。咁你結婚時，老公在高盛做，咁吾通佢做得吾開心，轉工去中銀，你叫佢一定要做落去先有面？吾係卦，有時真係吾明白坊間個logic係邊...

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 15:44

Jane1983 發表於 15-10-13 15:35
我都係土生土長，但我真係吾覺「名校家長」係也野光環。當年我小朋友考到入IS，連大抽獎都費事。本地學校最 ...

對好多本地家長嚟講，名校的確係個放不下既光環。只要睇下啲人講我仔、我女係邊度讀時既表情，同隔離非名校家長既表情就知。

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-10-13 16:01

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DreamKid 發表於 15-10-13 15:44
對好多本地家長嚟講，名校的確係個放不下既光環。只要睇下啲人講我仔、我女係邊度讀時既表情，同隔離非名校 ...

del...

作者: oooray 時間: 15-10-13 16:13 標題: 回覆：Jane1983 的帖子

光環呢家野不分本地國際，不分大中小幼，無所不在。
或者光環係已你頭頂，所以你睇唔到!(講下笑啫)

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-10-13 16:15 標題: 引用：Quote:DreamKid+發表於+15-10-13+15:44+對

原帖由 samsam123321 於 15-10-13 發表
但同國際比呢？

仲有不少人認為讀唔到本地才讀國際, 近日有親戚話你地都事事但但咁讀, 特別是中文, 費事解釋

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-10-13 16:51

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讀到風生水起就話，讀得吾開心或者隐隐然覺得吾對路都吾閃人？吾通一間無生命的機構，重要過一個活人的感受？

所以香港出吾到Bill Gates，如果亞仔話吾讀名U去創業，父母一定要生要死……

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-10-13 16:56

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del..

作者: oooray 時間: 15-10-13 17:17

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99%人會選擇默默承受；這叫宿命。

作者: 964000 時間: 15-10-13 17:40 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+samsam123321+於+15-10-13+發

原帖由 poonseelai 於 15-10-13 發表
仲有不少人認為讀唔到本地才讀國際, 近日有親戚話你地都事事但但咁讀, 特別是中文, 費事解釋

...

有D仲會專登比D中文考下你識吾識，如發現吾識就露出「咁都吾識」的表情，千萬吾好企圖解釋，吾係又會惹來你「扮鬼佬」疑雲

作者: lui 時間: 15-10-13 17:57 標題: 引用：光環呢家野不分本地國際，不分大中小幼，無

原帖由 oooray 於 15-10-13 發表
光環呢家野不分本地國際，不分大中小幼，無所不在。
或者光環係已你頭頂，所以你睇唔到!(講下笑啫)

...

又係

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-10-13 19:54 標題: 回覆：Local schools vs International Schools

好衰架你地，嚇走樓主。

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 20:08

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國際或者都有，不過比較少，因為大部分家長未必識。而且，我覺得想要嚟種光環既家長會以神校為目標。

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 20:09

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見得多！

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 20:10

Jane1983 發表於 15-10-13 16:51
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讀到風生水起就話，讀得吾開心或者隐隐然覺得吾對路都吾閃人？吾通一間無生命的機構 ...

面子問題

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 20:12

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最近有人問我點解兩個小朋友讀唔同學校，我答一個考唔到。佢話物國際學校唔係有錢就可以讀既咩！

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-10-13 20:55 標題: 引用：回覆+poonseelai+的帖子最近有人問我點解

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最近有人問我點解兩個小朋友讀唔同學校，我答一個考唔到。佢話物國際學校唔係有錢 ...

仲有嘻嘻哈哈讀完入埋出名大學, 有錢就得

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 21:07

poonseelai 發表於 15-10-13 20:55
仲有嘻嘻哈哈讀完入埋出名大學, 有錢就得

你聽過有本地家長話考IB入香港既大學好容易。我都費事解釋！

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 21:53

shadeslayer 發表於 15-10-13 19:54
好衰架你地，嚇走樓主。

咁我地答返樓主既問題啦！
我既小朋友未上中學，不過都快。有幸同一啲由本地小學轉到國際中學既學生傾計。佢地覺得係國際學校比較輕鬆，亦好鐘意lS既學習模式。不過佢地都係聰明既年青人，而且好有自理能力。我問過佢地交朋友有冇困難，佢話一啲都冇，同學之間都好friendly不過，每個人既經歷都唔同，佢地又唔可以代表所有人。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-10-13 22:05 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+15-10-13+19:54+

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咁我地答返樓主既問題啦！
我既小朋友未上中學，不過都快。有幸同一啲由本地小學轉到國際中學既學生傾計。 ...

Year 7 唔入， year 8, 9, 10 入，要進入別人圈子要看天時地利人和。

作者: The4Ace 時間: 15-10-13 22:18

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Ha! Ha! No worries, you guys didn't scare me off. I welcome all comments. I was doing homework and revision with my children the whole day...

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 22:42

shadeslayer 發表於 15-10-13 22:05
Year 7 唔入， year 8, 9, 10 入，要進入別人圈子要看天時地利人和。

有好時係時也命也。一日唔試，都唔知遇到咩人咩事。而且樂觀啲睇，又係一個學習機會。何況如果最後都係去外國讀書，不如就試一下可唔可以螎入人地既圈子。

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-13 22:45

The4Ace 發表於 15-10-13 22:18
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Ha! Ha! No worries, you guys didn't scare me off. I welcome all comments. I ...

本地家長真係好叻。不過，我唔明點解五、六年班仲要同佢一齊溫書。嚟樣野，我會有啲擔心。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-10-14 01:56

DreamKid 發表於 15-10-13 21:07
你聽過有本地家長話考IB入香港既大學好容易。我都費事解釋！

Their rationale is, international school students can avoid the "死亡之卷" (DSE Chinese).

作者: annie40 時間: 15-10-14 07:24

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It is nothing wrong to worry about the transition from local school to international school. I always do study and research to reinforce my perception so as to lessen the unsettling.
We have wide range of students come from different countries in the same international school, They are so different, They could be academic, all rounded, pointy, hardworking, laid back, mischief, wild, gag, or not gay. The school would do the best to respect them equally. In general students are very open minded to accept new concepts and new friends that would extend their flexibility and imagination too see the real world.

I can see your kids are doing well in local school. You have done a good job. They would be fine in either LS or IS . No need to make a rush decision. Go to seek advice from friends who may have children in secondary school LS or IS. They may have much to tell you. Also, your children could join kind of after school activities mixed up with IS students that they may like it, or dislike it, or even ask you to change school finally. Then the dilemma will disappear.

Good luck.

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-10-14 10:47

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-10-14 01:56
Their rationale is, international school students can avoid the "死亡之卷" (DSE Chinese).

成日話 "死亡"，一樣大把人 5 5* 5**。
冇大學收唔夠人。
講完。

作者: slamai 時間: 15-10-14 12:23

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Instead of just comparing international and local schools, I have attempted to group them into 4 types and made very general comparisons between them below :-

School types :

A -
International

B -
PIS (international)

C -
DSS (local + international streams)

D -
Local (including local DSS)

A
B
C
D
Teaching style
Inquiry-based
Inquiry-based
One-way
/ Inquiry-based
One-way
Workload
least
less
more
most
English
highest
higher
depends
lower
Chinese
lowest
lower
higher
higher
Maths/Science
lower
lower
higher
higher
Behaviour/culture
Western
Chinese > Western
Chinese
Chinese
Staff
foreign
mostly foreign
mostly local
local

Since it is in fact a whole spectrum of schools in real life, the above generalisations may not apply well to individual schools.

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-14 13:11

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-10-14 01:56
Their rationale is, international school students can avoid the "死亡之卷" (DSE Chinese).

哈哈，你好厚道。我反而覺得系因為佢地認為國際學校好淺，所以入到一定好易考。
至於中文，我從來都唔覺系死亡之卷。中文考試系有特定既模式，只要知道方法，一啲都唔難。更何況只不過要求一個2。如果對一個從小學中文既 native考2系咁難，就唔好再話國際學校中文程度低。

作者: torunpoland 時間: 15-10-14 13:28

昨晚張堅庭在TVB節目望子成才中提到國際學校之好處:

(1) 功課少
(2) 設法提升小朋友的學習興趣
(3) 教育層面廣: 藝術教育, 運動教育及學科教育

作者: annie40 時間: 15-10-14 15:38

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I have never met any friends and relatives who gave negative comments about international schools. Maybe they did, but I take it as a kind concern instead. They did question about Chinese, but not the way to degrade international schools. They gave fair comments and shared useful experiences too. The outside people don't fully understand international schools because they have never been there. Everyone is afraid of changes, afraid of something unknown, afraid of being left behind.

As a matter of fact I saw quite a lot IS parents enjoying to label LS kids irrationally. Yes, IS is good. However, IS is not that good as it promised. Why parents do it? perhaps to protect their ego and minimize the fear of failure at the same time.

作者: oooray 時間: 15-10-14 15:49 標題: 回覆：annie40 的帖子

信心不足的人總愛以否定別人的方式來證明自己才是正道。
其實兩邊要走的路截然不同，斷章取義的方式去比較，沒完沒了。

作者: 4eyesDad 時間: 15-10-14 16:52 標題: 引用：Thank+you+all+for+your+feedback.Apart+fr

原帖由 The4Ace 於 15-10-13 發表
Thank you all for your feedback.
Apart from smooth transition to overseas Uni, one of my major conce ...

Based on your description, I think your son will definitely be able to benefit from an international school (and oversea) education. Your daughter is slightly different.

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-10-14 22:21

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My experience is the opposite. None of the IS parents I know made any comments about LS kids. They seldom made any comments. The only cooments ever made would something like luckily our kids do not have a lot of homeworks like LS school. On the other hands, i often come across people making negative comments on IS based on what they believe.

作者: ngkka 時間: 15-10-14 23:07 標題: 回覆：Local schools vs International Schools

What's the character of your child?
For my girl, I think she learns more in structured learning style. Most importantly, she does not take initiate to read book.
For my boy, he can learn from play based teaching and he loves reading. So I think my girl will be more beneficial from LS training whereas my boy can go for IB.

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