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作者: newbkmember 時間: 15-7-8 13:01 標題: 英國讀醫
剛在報導看見有IB狀元有英國三間醫學院offer,但他決定入中大或港大讀醫，那麼他reject 出來的offer 會甚怎樣處理？因我見他reject 了Cambridge 的medi offer
作者: 亮燈 時間: 15-7-8 13:46 標題: 引用：剛在報導看見有IB狀元有英國三間醫學院offe
原帖由 newbkmember 於 15-07-08 發表
剛在報導看見有IB狀元有英國三間醫學院offer,但他決定入中大或港大讀醫，那麼他reject 出來的offer 會甚怎 ...
作者: 亮燈 時間: 15-7-8 13:47 標題: 回覆：英國讀醫
中大同劍橋比？差好遠啫！
作者: brother4 時間: 15-7-8 14:04 標題: 回覆：英國讀醫
兩手準備，人知常情，香港醫不一定收，要有心→仁醫
作者: wloi 時間: 15-7-8 14:12
英國讀醫，如果我無記錯，唔係英國䕶照，無得英國實習，要自己在英聯邦國家找實習機會。而且，要回香港做醫生，要考試，合格率低。
而且課程好唔同，頭3年只讀theory，第四年開始先有practical。
唔去英國讀係可以理解。
作者: elbar 時間: 15-7-8 14:13
亮燈 發表於 15-7-8 13:47
中大同劍橋比？差好遠啫！
履歷夠厚人冇heart 尖子難入醫學院 中大：忌自視高 要有醫德 
作者: 3b 時間: 15-7-8 15:03 標題: 引用：英國讀醫，如果我無記錯，唔係英國䕶照，無
原帖由 wloi 於 15-07-08 發表
英國讀醫，如果我無記錯，唔係英國䕶照，無得英國實習，要自己在英聯邦國家找實習機會。而且，要回香港做醫 ...
作者: wloi 時間: 15-7-8 20:32
本帖最後由 wloi 於 15-7-8 20:33 編輯
其實唔止呢科，藥劑都係。以前任何學生都可以英國實習，今年開始唔得。唔實習又畢唔到業。我知有個學生，宜家在英聯邦國家找緊機構實習，好傍煌。讀完亦要返香港考牌，合格率亦低。英國推了一系列政策，唔想咁多外國人留在英國。
外國人畢業後想留英工作的話，政府最近set 左個最低收入，但聽講fresh grad ，除非係名牌大學神科，唔係無可能有咁高的人工。
所以我同我細女講，如果想讀神科，不如努力考好d，用 non-jupas 返香港讀算啦。英國神科係比較易d入，但畢業之後，除非準備長住英國，唔係都好頭痕。
作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-7-8 21:47 標題: 回覆：英國讀醫
個狀元訪問我也看到一頭霧水，有心在港執業當然選港大或中大，這是現實問題，申請時無理由唔知. 除了醫和藥劑，聽聞物理治療在英找不到實習都無用，但職業治療有大學可安排實習，回港亦無需再考專業試
作者: brother4 時間: 15-7-8 22:01 標題: 回覆：英國讀醫
請教脊醫，足病診療師，放射技師難找實習？
作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-7-8 22:13 標題: 回覆：英國讀醫
英國文化協會7月29日晚有講座關於biological science, biomedical science, physiotherapy and occupational therapy, 有興趣不坊去問多D
作者: newbkmember 時間: 15-7-8 22:50
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那麼是否不是英國公民找不到實習便不能畢業？
作者: wloi 時間: 15-7-8 23:02
newbkmember 發表於 15-7-8 22:50 
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那麼是否不是英國公民找不到實習便不能畢業？
我知有d大學藥劑科想緊將實習納入課程其中一年，等非英藉學生都可以報讀。上有政策，就下有對策，唔知教育局知道會點樣處理。
作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-7-8 23:05 標題: 引用：Quote:newbkmember+發表於+15-7-8+22:50+回
原帖由 wloi 於 15-07-08 發表
對呀，我講個位香港同學..暫時找到去馬來西亞沙巴實習。
我知有d大學藥劑科想緊將實習納入課程其中一年，等 ...
作者: skate 時間: 15-7-9 07:51 標題: 回覆：brother4 的帖子
你所講嘅都是專科，正常要先畢業医科後再讀
作者: ivankan 時間: 15-7-9 08:31
兩手準備，人知常情！！！！
作者: Artie 時間: 15-7-9 09:29
本帖最後由 Artie 於 15-7-9 09:30 編輯
poonseelai 發表於 15-7-8 21:47
個狀元訪問我也看到一頭霧水，有心在港執業當然選港大或中大，這是現實問題，申請時無理由唔知. 除了醫和藥 ...
My daughter has friends that are studying medicine or law in the UK and they all have UK passports. I am sure students with the brains and grades that got acceptance from law or med school in the UK would know what issue they might face. No need to worry.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-7-9 10:49
Each year, the 3 local law faculties would reserve more than 100 PCLL spots for overseas law graduates to study PCLL. So long as you have a reasonably good degree (plus the completion of the conversion examination requirement, which is not difficult to pass), there should not be a problem to study law overseas.
Regarding medicine, the difficulty in obtaining the qualification for local practice is much higher. The annual passing rate of the licenciate examination is terribly low. So if there is a choice, it is a wise decision to study medicine in local medical schools.
作者: manning2014 時間: 15-7-9 11:21
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佢地唔係唔知，佢哋諗住hold住三個Offers (港大中大劍橋)等成績放榜。因為劍橋嘅Offer多數係要求 IB 41分, 但中大港大的 medicine Offer一定高過41 (42-45 都見過)。所以佢哋咪要等出左成績之後、先知道入唔入到本地嘅大學。當知道自己夠分數入到本地嘅大學、所以咪話唔去劍橋。佢哋唔係之前冇諗過去劍橋要返嚟考執業試嘅問題。
作者: 亮燈 時間: 15-7-9 12:17 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+wloi+於+15-7-8+20:33+編輯+\
原帖由 wloi 於 15-07-08 發表
本帖最後由 wloi 於 15-7-8 20:33 編輯
其實唔止呢科，藥劑都係。以前任何學生都可以英國實習，今年開始 ...
作者: newbkmember 時間: 15-7-9 16:43
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Thx Shootastar for yr clarification. 如果𣎴是英藉可以入讀醫科再留在英國工作嗎？
作者: newbkmember 時間: 15-7-9 16:45
出左怪符號，我的問題是：如果不是英藉，可以讀英國醫科再留在英國工作嗎？
作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-7-9 16:49 標題: 引用：Each+year,+the+3+local+law+faculties+wou
原帖由 Shootastar 於 15-07-09 發表
Each year, the 3 local law faculties would reserve more than 100 PCLL spots for overseas law graduat ...
作者: wloi 時間: 15-7-9 17:20
poonseelai 發表於 15-7-9 16:49
請問100個PCLL佔總數幾多？朋友孩子3年前lB唔夠40分，去英國讀法律，現CU收了下學年讀PCLL，真替他高興
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BCL 即是英國的 PCL ..要讀完先可以在英國執業。
所以港大 PCL ，係一位難求。唔top都入唔到。
作者: wloi 時間: 15-7-9 17:26
亮燈 發表於 15-7-9 12:17
請問何謂英國神科？謝謝
至於 Law ..我會話半神科 ...因為只要名牌大學校高分畢業，仍然有機會入讀香港的 PCL課程。
不過，在英國讀神科再返香港執業，用的時間一定比香港直接讀神科多...因為要考左英國的執業試，再返香港讀或者考香港執業試。
作者: 亮燈 時間: 15-7-9 19:46
wloi 發表於 15-7-9 17:26
Medicine, Dentistry, pharmacy .... 全部除了自己英國的考牌試 (唔知點叫)之外 ..要回港執業都要考香港的 ...
作者: wloi 時間: 15-7-9 20:05
亮燈 發表於 15-7-9 19:46
但呢D神科如果在英國可執業嘛？(不是公民)
作者: wloi 時間: 15-7-9 20:54
剛剛睇倫敦地鐵罷工新聞。地鐵司機人工高過初級醫生，初級醫生年薪約 GBP 22,000 ...真係比香港少好多。
作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-7-10 10:49
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I am not sure. You had better checked. If not, there is no point to study medicine in UK. If you do not have full practice licence in UK, you are not qualified to take the licentiate examination. That means you cannot practice in Hong Kong. Neither you can practice in UK if you are not qualified to be a houseman.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-7-10 11:01
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According to the figures of the annual reports of The Standing Committee on Legal Education and Training, I estimated that each year, CU and CityU provide about 150 to 160 PCLL spaces respectively, while HKU provides 340 PCLL spaces. The total number of PCLL spots is about 650.
CU admits about 10 to 15 (estimated) applicants who are not CU graduates.
CityU admits about 10 to 15 (estimated) applicants who are not CityU graduates.
HKU admits about 120 non-HKU graduates (estimated), of which 80 spaces go to LLB overseas graduates, 40 spaces go to CPE, GDL and external LLB degree holders.
The figures are estimated only according to the reports. Taking into account of the quotas of 3 PCLL providers, about 100 LLB graduates from overseas are admitted to study PCLL in the 3 universities.
According to the figures, the competition for a PCLL spot amongst the overseas graduates in CU is very fierce. Your friend's daughter should have a very good result in her LLB degree.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-7-10 11:11
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As disclosed in the annual report of The Standing Committee on Legal Education and Training, HKU admits about 80 overseas graduates (mainly from UK and Australia) for the PCLL course each year.
The number of Oxbridge LLB graduates who are from Hong Kong should be around 10. That means even if you are not an Oxbridge graduate, you still have good chance of being admitted to take the PCLL course (assuming that you complete the conversion examinations and have a score of 7 or above on IETLS test) if you have a good LLB degree.
作者: 亮燈 時間: 15-7-10 11:26 標題: 引用：剛剛睇倫敦地鐵罷工新聞。地鐵司機人工高過
原帖由 wloi 於 15-07-09 發表
剛剛睇倫敦地鐵罷工新聞。地鐵司機人工高過初級醫生，初級醫生年薪約 GBP 22,000 ...真係比香港少好多。 ...
作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-7-10 11:32
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I think your daughter should mean LPC - Legal Practice Course. In UK, you need to take and pass the 1-year LPC course before you are qualified to proceed with training. It is more or less similar to the PCLL course of Hong Kong.
BCL is known as Bachelor of Civil Law, which is a Master Degree for law graduates. As far as I know, only Oxford offers BCL in UK. The competition for a spot of BCL is as fierce and difficult as the competition for an LLB spot in Oxbridge.
You need not come from Oxbridge for a PCLL spot in Hong Kong. So long as you have a reasonably good LLB degree from other colleges, you still have chance to be admitted to the PCLL course.
作者: wloi 時間: 15-7-10 14:09
亮燈 發表於 15-7-10 11:26
因為香港既醫生、律師都係變相壟斷。
作者: 阿飯 時間: 15-7-10 17:02
Chinese terms are never precise and with shoddy reporting nowadays so widespread in the press and a general public unwilling to crosscheck sources no wonder forum sometimes could unwittingly becomes a source of misinformation.
The British still welcome foreign medical graduates to practise on their turf though with less open arms nowadays, the door is ajar for international medical graduates but remains wide open for home-reared foreign graduates and its here that Chinese terms 外國醫生, 海外醫生 etc. fail to make the distinction. The rule is simple, if one’s primary qualification is from outside the UK, EU and Switzerland, the process to gain registration is full of red tapes and burdened with a common entrance examination - the PLAB ( Professional and Linguistic Assessments Board ) test with IELTS thrown in for those whose native language is not English ( hence those from medical schools in Australia, NZ would only need PLAB but those from HK would also require IELTS in addition ). Foreign graduates from UK medical schools sail down a path similar to an average Brit and compete for a place in a two-year internship, named Foundation Year ( FY ) 1 and 2 respectively on an extended Tier 4 visa, normally granted without much fuss from Home Office as this forms part of the necessary post graduate training, and after FY 1 one is eligible to change from provisional to full registration with the General Medical Council ( GMC ). Normally the number of post available is commensurate with the number of new graduates in that particular year, give or take the occasional glitch. Core Training post which normally last for 2 years follows FY 2 and one has to switch to a Tier 2 visa for such post. Success rate for switching visa is almost 100% for first-time applicants if they have been offered such posts.
For those wishing to continue their specialty training in the UK beyond FY the bottleneck lies at changing from a Core Training ( CT ) post to a Specialty Training Post ( ST ) - the competition is most intense here and successful candidates normally would have passed the membership exams, have at least a few publications and presentations on their CV and for more competitive specialty like Surgery, additional qualifications like MSc, MD or even PhD are becoming increasingly desirable, especially for teaching hospital posts. It is not uncommon for doctors to combine a few years of research in related fields during their core training period. To sail straight from FY to CT and eventually to ST is not unheard of but usually such opportunity is reserved for those with fabulous CVs from the onset - many distinctions and prizes during medical schools together with stellar references. Otherwise most doctors do normally have to languish between different CT posts in related fields for a while. For non-EU graduates of UK medical schools, the difficulty used to arise here as it was difficult to renew a Tier 2 visa again changing between CT posts or progressing towards ST posts as they were only considered if there were no suitable home or EU graduates available - but thanks to recent lobbying by the British Medical Association ( BMA ) on behalf of foreign graduates of British medical schools, this restriction known as resident labour market test (RLMT) will no longer be in place for them from Aug 2015 onwards. The game is now merit-based without any more red tapes for this category of 外國醫生.
Foreign graduates of UK medical schools to gain equal access to specialty training, says BMA http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advice/view-article.html?id=20020383
Put it simply, Full Registration should be the norm as it always has been unless one really did poorly at medical schools with unfavourable references following their FY posts. For those wishing to remain in UK to specialise, the game is now fairer once again without them being penalized. After CT posts most of them would have been legally remained in UK for 9 years anyway, in other words, they could apply to become British Citizens and be on equal footing as their local or EU peers are in another year's time. For those who had attended an intercalated course they would have been in the UK for 10 years exactly and probably have already applied to become a naturalized subject so this new ruling would make no difference to them .
The basic salary maxes out at around £70,000 for trainee doctors and around £100,000 for specialist consultants who prefer not to do any private work. As the training would take a minimum of 7 years to complete following FY 2 and doctors are unheard of to practise privately upon full registration unlike HK if immediate monetary gain is what one is looking after I am afraid he or she would be better suited to remain in HK.
This is what I glimpsed from cruising through documents widely available from GMC, Home Office, deaneries etc. on the net, and my understanding so far is that it hasn’t changed significantly from what it used to be from the late 80s when a classmate of mine who went on a Prince Phillip Scholarship to Cambridge to study medicine after A level and who has decided to remain in UK ever since working as a consultant in one of the teaching hospitals. His salary last time we chatted was in excess of £200,000 and he isn’t a top dog in his field. Top earners could make significantly more than this - it largely depends on how much private work they could attract and are willing to do as a consultant and whether they have merit awards. One of his trainee colleague from London went on to specialise in pharmaceutical medicine ( a specialty not available in HK as far as I Know ) and is now a senior vice president in drug development at Pfizer working in Boston, US. With stock option and other bonus he is close to 800,000 USD per annum. The pay is lower to start with for trainees but once one becomes a consultant, it is altogether a whole new ball game.
Just my 2 cents and I hope this would debunk some myth and helps those who want to study medicine in the UK.
作者: 阿飯 時間: 15-7-10 17:17
it seems that since 2003 primary medical qualifications from HKU and CUHK are no longer exempt from PLAB.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-7-10 18:01
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Thanks for your clear, cogent and thorough explanation.
作者: Hongchu 時間: 15-7-11 18:07 標題: 回覆：newbkmember 的帖子
Can work as long as the hospital is willing to get work permit for you, but having said that, you can work there but you can't join their training programme. You will just work like a doctor without specific title, will never get to train to become a consultant. That's what happening to my friend.
Therefore a lot of my other friends came back to HK to study medicines after AL in UK.
作者: EASTCOAST 時間: 15-7-11 18:23 標題: 回覆：Hongchu 的帖子
Therefore a lot of my other friends came back to HK to study medicines after AL in UK. Xxxxxxx
你的朋友好勁，佢地讀那間中學？
作者: newbkmember 時間: 15-7-11 19:10
如果做滿法定年期入藉後，可以apply training 做consultant 嗎？
作者: brother4 時間: 15-7-11 21:22 標題: 回覆：英國讀醫
物理冶療是否神科？是否冇實習及畢業後可香港註冊？
作者: Hongchu 時間: 15-7-12 11:36 標題: 回覆：EASTCOAST 的帖子
Charter house, CLC....
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