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作者: kids-kingdom 時間: 15-6-1 12:58 標題: IB 課程一定要用 MAC 嗎?
小兒張升讀IB課程，學校話要用MAC ，但孩子和我都希望用Windows/Linux. 已問過下學校， 暫時學校都講吾出有d乜野一定要用mac os。 想問下各位讀僅IB 課程 的家長,有冇見過孩子們用過一些一定要用mac os 的 application.
thanks
作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-6-1 13:23 標題: 引用：小兒張升讀IB課程，學校話要用MAC+，但孩子
原帖由 kids-kingdom 於 15-06-01 發表
小兒張升讀IB課程，學校話要用MAC ，但孩子和我都希望用Windows/Linux. 已問過下學校， 暫時學校都講吾出有 ...
作者: 紅紅 時間: 15-6-1 14:11 標題: 回覆：IB 課程一定要用 MAC 嗎
學校的課程用了Mac的軟件、format, 咁咪要用Mac囉。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-6-1 14:15
我估係間公司做marketing 做得好，吾只Esf，知道吾少IS都係用mac機的。
作者: kids-kingdom 時間: 15-6-1 14:37 標題: 引用：學校的課程用了Mac的軟件、format,+咁咪要
原帖由 紅紅 於 15-06-01 發表
學校的課程用了Mac的軟件、format, 咁咪要用Mac囉。
作者: mugtaitai 時間: 15-6-1 14:45
kids-kingdom 發表於 15-6-1 12:58 
小兒張升讀IB課程，學校話要用MAC ，但孩子和我都希望用Windows/Linux. 已問過下學校， 暫時學校都講吾出有 ...
作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-6-1 14:51
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其實這個問題應該問學校；ib課程與mac 無必然關係，不過卻與學校有關。
作者: slamai 時間: 15-6-1 15:00
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Boot Camp helps you install Microsoft Windows on your Mac:
https://support.apple.com/en-hk/HT201468
Maybe the above can solve your problem.
作者: kids-kingdom 時間: 15-6-1 16:38 標題: 引用：回覆+kids-kingdom+的帖子
Boot+Camp+help
原帖由 slamai 於 15-06-01 發表
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Boot Camp helps you install Microsoft Windows on your Mac:
作者: Artie 時間: 15-6-1 17:51
kids-kingdom 發表於 15-6-1 14:37
That's why I am asking which particular MAC application are they using.
I do not think primary or secondary students would be using anything fancy.
Mac has a similar package of software like MS Office. It is called iWork. Basically similar functions as MS Office: word processing (Word vs Pages), spreadsheet (Excel vs Numbers) and slideshow (Powerpoint vs Keynotes).
One good thing about iWork is that, it opens all MS Office documents with no problems. And it can also save (convert) all documents in a format for use on a Windows computer. Looks like Windows computer do not have this flexibility.
作者: Artie 時間: 15-6-1 17:53
poonseelai 發表於 15-6-1 13:23
又唔一定是行lB才用，ESF初中行GCSE都用mac機。有時我女兒copy 文件俾我，我用window 就看不到，不過我唔熟 ...
Ask her to save the document as a MS Word format.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-6-1 19:48 標題: 引用：小兒張升讀IB課程，學校話要用MAC+，但孩子
原帖由 kids-kingdom 於 15-06-01 發表
小兒張升讀IB課程，學校話要用MAC ，但孩子和我都希望用Windows/Linux. 已問過下學校， 暫時學校都講吾出有 ...
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-6-1 20:39
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My son's school provided them with a Mac book during secondary school. My hubby has switched to use Mac several months ago. Both of them don't want to switch back to windows after using Mac. They say Mac is so powerful & user friendly.
Another point: the homework is usually submitted online, teachers' notes shared online. I am no computer expert. But is there any problem if your son is using a different platform?
作者: nintendo 時間: 15-6-2 00:37
kids-kingdom 發表於 15-6-1 16:38
Thanks. I am just hoping to avoid buying Macbook. My kid use Linux/Windows dual boot.
Not sure what your concerns are with Mac.
Mac computers are super easy to use, maintain and administer. Mac computers are also more secure and less prone to virus attack. It is easier for schools to maintain and monitor their network if students use Mac.
For young students, there is no need to have dual boot. Why make things complicated when Mac OS can handle literally most tasks?
Someone mentioned Bootcamp. Well, that was a feature introduced to Mac in the past when many software still did not have a Mac version. Now, most popular software can run on Mac computers.
作者: nofrills 時間: 15-6-2 11:26
I think what the original poster wants to ask is really: 想問下各位讀僅IB 課程 的家長,有冇見過孩子們用過一些一定要用mac os 的 application.
Also, obviously our poster's son is not a computer illiterate. Or else kids-kingdom wont mention "My kid use Linux/Windows dual boot".
作者: kids-kingdom 時間: 15-6-2 14:20 標題: 引用：I+think+what+the+original+poster+wants+t
原帖由 nofrills 於 15-06-02 發表
I think what the original poster wants to ask is really: 想問下各位讀僅IB 課程 的家長,有冇見過孩子們 ...
作者: oooray 時間: 15-6-2 14:37
學校選定用咩OS電腦；同課程無關；有學校用Mac亦有學校用Windows。是學校決定。
有d學校只用Mac機；有d學校用PC；要年年投標；每年由唔同型號/牌子中標。
經學校統一買機包校內維修；壞機有spare機借比你上堂；方便管理。
否則同一班學生幾十部唔同model淨係解決電腦問題已經唔使上堂or堂堂都係ICT淨係解決電腦問題...
打個比喻；學校指定用A出版社本science book；你都唔會要學校解釋點解用A唔用B；我個女用開B；我可唔可以用B；有咩內容A出版社有B出版社冇?
作者: kids-kingdom 時間: 15-6-2 15:24
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oooray 發表於 15-6-2 14:37
學校選定用咩OS電腦；同課程無關；有學校用Mac亦有學校用Windows。是學校決定。
有d學校只用Mac機；有d學校 ...
My situation is different, we have to buy our own computer. And obviously, maintenance and support is our responsibility. So the key point is whether windows computer can run the required applications.
作者: nofrills 時間: 15-6-2 15:55
Lets put it this way.
If the whole school population uses mac and only mac, then most likely:
1) All handouts and materials will be catered for mac, and
2) All instructions will be written expecting you be using a mac, and
3) All school purchased tools/programs will be in mac version, and
4) Submitted works will be expected to be in mac format, etc.
The bottom line is, you might be able to get away with windows but some things might be smoother with a mac.
作者: cowmoon 時間: 15-6-2 16:12
或者咁講，學校的 IT support 會支援學生在校內使用電腦的 troubleshooting，所以學校才會有電腦 model 的選擇。如你使用帶另一platform，當然或者都可以行到所有 apps。我舉一些例子：孩子和老師的 version 不完全配合，老師開唔到你孩子的 files，老師和 IT support 都會盡量協助你；有些 Wifi network 不完全 support 所有的電腦 wifi card，你孩子在學校上網有困難，IT support 都會盡量幫你 ... 但幫唔到你，咁你咪最多繼續 complain... 但點解要孩子面對咁多 hiccups ?
作者: Artie 時間: 15-6-2 16:36 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+kids-kingdom+於+15-6-2+15:42
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-6-2 19:00 標題: 回覆：IB 課程一定要用 MAC 嗎?
How can the school teach ICT and support students in school work, when students have not only varying computer literacy, but also 5 different computer systems and office suits? Simple answer is you buy one Mac just for school work and use another Linux box for your other interests. After all, programming is your son's after school interests. Why fight the school over an after school interest? Worth it?
If simple things like the computer you cannot agree with the school and insist you have your own choice, there will many more things you do not agree with the school
作者: Activehealth 時間: 15-6-2 19:38
cowmoon 發表於 15-6-2 16:12
或者咁講，學校的 IT support 會支援學生在校內使用電腦的 troubleshooting，所以學校才會有電腦 model 的 ...
講真，國際學校的學費萬萬聲，讀得國際學校的家庭應不是綜援戶吧（除非學生是拿特別獎學金）。
一部Mac book 值幾錢？若這様都不能或願付，那年年付school camp 及 overseas field trip 怎樣辦？
還是不要自討苦吃吧！
作者: 木子兔媽媽 時間: 15-6-2 22:29 標題: 回覆：IB 課程一定要用 MAC 嗎?
This is an interesting topic! In computer world, there is always a passion to a die-hard level on the loyalty of computer system, especially for Linux / Mac fans (oh they are really antagonistic). it is so easy to understand a Linux fans refusing Mac because of Linux is open-coded yet Mac is a closed system. So money is not an issue here.
However IS are quite focus on presentation skills and arts. Mac are good companion with Adobe and I have no idea on how Linux system can support graphic programmes (I was outdated to programming for decades).
作者: oooray 時間: 15-6-3 11:12
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Well, my last advice is that, it is great to keep your son's hobbies and to develop new hobbies but it is unwise to challenge any school's policy.It is a time-consuming process and you will not win anything at the end.
If you don't believe that, just ignore the school policy (and ignore what other parents and I said). Keep using your Windows/Linux OS at school. I will be waiting for your great story how you change the unreasonable policy at your son's school.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-6-3 14:17
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Since the original poster mentioned terminology like "Dual Boot", I guess he/she should have the technical know-how to implement the following solution.
Buy a Mac, then buy and install a software called "VMWare Fusion" on the Mac, this will allow you to create and run "Virtual Machines" and you can install Windows or Linux on them. You'll be able to have Mac OS, Windows, and Linux, all running concurrently and switch between them at ease.
This is better than Bootcamp (dual boot) because that will only let you run one OS at a time, to switch to the other OS you'll have to reboot which is very tedious.
作者: 紅紅 時間: 15-6-3 16:08 標題: 回覆：IB 課程一定要用 MAC 嗎
唔明點解覺得用Mac唔合理，一定要揾原因，講來講去樓主唔想用Mac只是個人喜好問題，就想要學校配合，要求太高了吧！其實隨了電腦外，好多嘢都係學校話乜就乜㗎啦，例如校服(我從來唔著藍色)，教科書出版商(自己一向買書買開另一個出版社)，學校上下課時間(個時間配合唔到我個仔的興趣班) …… 乜都可以challenge。用個仔的hobby和家人對電腦的喜好去challenge成間學校的learning platform?我會覺得有冇搞錯，好無聊。
作者: nintendo 時間: 15-6-3 17:10
kids-kingdom 發表於 15-6-2 15:24
My situation is different, we have to buy our own computer. And obviously, maintenance and support ...
Have you asked the school yet?
作者: 木子兔媽媽 時間: 15-6-3 19:08 標題: 引用：唔明點解覺得用Mac唔合理，一定要揾原因，
原帖由 紅紅 於 15-06-03 發表
唔明點解覺得用Mac唔合理，一定要揾原因，講來講去樓主唔想用Mac只是個人喜好問題，就想要學校配合，要求太 ...
作者: 木子兔媽媽 時間: 15-6-3 19:11 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+15-6-3+14:29+
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-06-03 發表
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Since the original poster mentioned terminology like " ...
作者: nintendo 時間: 15-6-3 19:53
木子兔媽媽 發表於 15-6-3 19:08
'Can I use Windows / Linux OS to run all the Mac apps that are used by the school?' I really love this question and can I know the answer?
Have you read all the replies?
Some parents did provide more technical information and positive suggestions.
In any case, I do not see the point dragging on here.
Each school has their own policy.
The best thing is talk to the school.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-6-3 19:54 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+15-6-3+14:29+
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Since the original poster mentioned terminology like " ...
作者: 永遠的零 時間: 15-6-3 20:25
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作者: 木子兔媽媽 時間: 15-6-3 20:29 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+15-6-3+19:54+VM
原帖由 永遠的零 於 15-06-03 發表
買多部Mac機或用VM根本就解決不了樓主的心魔，樓主是不喜歡使用或不想轉用Mac機嘅operation system。 ...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-6-3 22:57 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+15-6-3+19:54+VM
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買多部Mac機或用VM根本就解決不了樓主的心魔，樓主是不喜歡使用或不想轉用Mac機嘅operation system。 ...
It is education and schooling vs a trivial computer choice as a pass time?
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-6-3 23:38
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shadeslayer 發表於 15-6-3 19:54
VM is a more elegant solution but typically very slow.
That is no big deal and can easily be solved by getting a more powerful machine, but as someone pointed out, if the real issue is a psychological one, i.e. "心魔", then it cannot be solved by any hardware or software :)
作者: 永遠的零 時間: 15-6-4 09:18
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-6-4 09:35 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+15-6-3+22:57+Ca
原帖由 永遠的零 於 15-06-04 發表
我並没有說樓主對電腦系統之執著是合理，我只是分析出樓主之心結並非金錢或其他技術方案可解決，所以不少網 ...
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作者: nintendo 時間: 15-6-4 10:59
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各位網友又太熱心，樓主已潛埋水，大家無須太上心。
作者: 紅紅 時間: 15-6-4 12:08 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+15-6-4+09:35+Ye
原帖由 永遠的零 於 15-06-04 發表
其實我第一個回應並非針對你，而只是借你的回應去話比其他提出種種解決方案的網友聽，凡事先要理解及分析清 ...
作者: 木子兔媽媽 時間: 15-6-4 13:52 標題: 回覆：IB 課程一定要用 MAC 嗎?
Today is a special day to reply this thread. Once upon a time, the argument on Computer operating system was heat and keen. The open source of Linux and the free of charge system had been a dream of a lot of idealist, yet it is not popular even now. Mac has been criticized for its monopoly and closed system, yet with iPhone it gains much success. Freedom's price is sometimes too much to afford by everyone.
作者: nintendo 時間: 15-6-4 14:26
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木子兔媽媽 發表於 15-6-4 13:52
Today is a special day to reply this thread. Once upon a time, the argument on Computer operating sy ...
No.It is not an issue of Mac vs Windows vs Linux.
Or whether the platform or interface is free.
It is merely a choice of a learning tool that a school chose.
And it merely happened to be a computer.
Someone's example was good.
What if a parent did not like a particular textbook chosen?
Would you insist that the school use the textbook that YOU like?
I do not see why a high school student using a certain computer would be such a big issue.
Mac computers are not the best. However, this particular school chose Mac. That's it.
What if the school chose Windows?
Should Mac users come forward and complain?
作者: caa 時間: 15-6-4 14:38
The thread owner should transfer his child to another school that uses windows (but such school would be difficult to be found)!
作者: kids-kingdom 時間: 15-6-4 16:49
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多謝各位熱心會覆，雖然有些回覆令我十分意外。
在我update 大家之前，容許我recap 一下我POST 1 全文
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小兒張升讀IB課程，學校話要用MAC ，但孩子和我都希望用Windows/Linux. 已問過下學校， 暫時學校都講吾出有d乜野一定要用mac os。 想問下各位讀僅IB 課程 的家長,有冇見過孩子們用過一些一定要用mac os 的 application.
thanks
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我問這個問題是基於下列原因及背景／理解：
1。幾個月前已口頭問學校 IB course 負責人(我不是沒有問過的），他給我的的答覆是『輕』，battery life 夠長不希望學生在學校recharge。 但這些現時已不是MAC 獨有，一般SSD windows 機都可以 。
2。兒子用開Linux，不用Libraoffice 而係用LaTex 打report , 我亦不喜歡MAC（我承認， 亦不覺得是罪過）。
3。機是要自己買的不是學校派的， 現時學校出document 用pdf， file sharing 用 SMB，用 Windows 或MAC 跟本沒有分別。 IB 課程亦沒有Computer/ICT 堂。 對我來說 ，這個情況有點像你帶部機去coffee shop 用WIFI，SHOP MANAGER 話只可用 Android.
3。我覺得唔了解的事應該問，確得唔合理的事，在[可能範圍內]應該表達意見，當然明白凡事有[成本]，成功機會極細。 但 IB 一直強調 [inquiry based learning], 相信大部份家長都不會希望自己的孩子是【YES】 man， 不問因由只會認命。自由社會各人可有不同意見．我覺得挑戰權威／校方並不是罪過，多餘。
4。希望在forum 中得到多一些 Information。 如果有人 告訴我， IB 真的有很多MAC specific applications, EBOOKs，只有MAC platform 有，這樣便可以case closed 。
可惜(對我來說），這個post 大部分時間都在討論挑戰學校，心魔等。但從沒有人可以指出見過什麼 IB application 是Mac specific 的 ．
最新消息：
經多方查探後，包個別老師及現役學生， 說到現在為止Macbook 只是用來上網,打notes, 都係自己做嘢.並沒有真正的 learning applications. 到底校方基於什麼選擇MAC就不得而知。 可能是其他IB school都用？將來有其他 MAC applications? 個別公司的 marketing program 。。。。
結論:
１．如大部份member預期，很可能買Macbook Air， 因為 a)不想孩子將來有問題，b) 可能比Windows 機便宜 ，13" SSD Windows 大部分過萬（除非自己改SSD，但會void warranty） 。
２。 這個post 已經離題甚遠，短期內我不會再覆帖。十分同意其中一個member 講， 生命中有很多事比這個重要。 花上一兩個小時打字並不是有趣的娛樂。
Technical Sharing (for those who are not familiar with Mac like me)
I just want to share some of my recent findings regarding Mac/OSX, the info below is purely based on information on the web, may not be 100% correct or fully compatible.
1. Apple offers iWork for iCloud to all Windows user Free (actually old news)
As a result, Windows users can use iWork on their PCs and convert the document to Microsoft office format when necessary.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2883927/apple-offers-free-iwork-for-icloud-to-all-windows-users.html
http://www.imore.com/how-export-your-iwork-icloud-files-compatibility-microsoft-office
2. Airplay
Airplay (Apple TV) only supports OSX but there are software that can be installed on Windows PC/notebooks for the same purpose. However for home use, I would suggest exploring hardware dongle that support both Airplay and DLNA. Ideally, we should be able to connect IOS/OSX, Android, and Windows devices to our home TV. They only cost approx RMB200.00 from tabao (search key HDMI, Airplay DLNA)
http://www.airsquirrels.com/airparrot/
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-6-4 17:37
kids-kingdom 發表於 15-6-4 16:49
暫時學校都講吾出有d乜野一定要用mac os
At the end of the day, what you want to avoid is the school sending you a file which you can't process, or vice versa :)
作者: nintendo 時間: 15-6-4 17:57
Cool. Good to hear that you actually have a solution in mind. So case closed.
作者: Cara2006 時間: 15-6-4 18:18
I am not particularly a huge Apple fan. But I do understand how the original poster feel. I have friends that do not like Apple products too. They always challenge other people why they are so obsessed with Apply products. I on the other hand, feel that it is these Apple haters that are too obsessed.
PS. My Macbook is a hand-me-down computer. I am not exactly a die hard Apple lover and would not mind switching to a windows computer. After all a computer is just a tool. Do not want to spend too much time hating a brand.
作者: 永遠的零 時間: 15-6-4 19:40
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作者: 木子兔媽媽 時間: 15-6-4 22:28
永遠的零 發表於 15-6-4 19:40
其實你寫一大篇來撐自己有乜意義，根本歸根究底講來講去都係因為你的「心魔」作崇，你不喜歡轉用MAC機但又 ...
作者: 永遠的零 時間: 15-6-5 07:16
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作者: random_dad 時間: 15-6-5 10:03
本帖最後由 random_dad 於 15-6-5 10:07 編輯
It's hilarious how many more responses there are to a "Mac" question than a school question... It's silly to hear Fanbois trashing Windows, and silly of hearing Windows users trashing Macs. We live in 2015, where the once mighty IBM now offers their employees Macs as an option.
To answer the OP's question, no, a Windows OS will not run a Mac application. While some applications are available on both platforms, and while there are also "compatible" applications, compatible isn't always 100%. Your choices are:
If you want to purchase a tool for 100% of his/her needs and desires without the hassles, buy 2 tools (a Macbook and a Windows laptop).
If you are willing to tinker, you can either get a Macbook and run Bootcamp, but will need to reboot to switch between. You also need a larger HD in the Macbook for the 2 OSes. Mac programs run inside Mac OS, Windows programs run inside Windows OS.
Or you can run VMWare Fusion inside of the MacOS and install Windows. You can run both at the same time without reboot, but certain applications won't work inside of VMWare. Video editing, for example, would be one.
Or for the really cheap route, you can buy a Windows laptop, and run VMWare Workstation and using known hacks, run MacOS inside VMWare. Same situation as above, can run both at the same time, but certain applications won't work inside of VMWare.
Take this as a teachable moment, and help your child to find the instructions online to implement any of the above options.
Each school has different policies, and I agree with the posters that compared it to a workplace. Some workplaces are Mac shops, some are Windows shops, and some are Bring-Your-Own-Device. This is the same for schools, where your child's school is a Mac shop, and mine (as an example) is a BYOD. But the bottom line is you have no choice but to conform, except to change schools. Just like you have no control of the rising tuition fees, you have no choice in the tools (computers, books, cirriculum, field trips) the school chooses as a policy.
Frankly, regardless of preference, you should give your child the opportunity to be accustomed to both, and put your preference/bias aside, because we don't know what the world will look like in 10 years in the tools they will be using.
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