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作者: nicolelaiyy 時間: 15-5-29 11:06 標題: ESF中文程度

Dear all,
想問吓學生讀ESF的中文程度，他們大多能看懂一份中文報紙嗎? 以及他們能寫一封簡單的中文信件嗎?

Thanks! looking forward to all your sharings

作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-5-29 12:58

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小兒讀RC，按ESF的中文分組，屬pathway 3，即能力較好的一班，他們Year 6 學生能在課堂上寫250字的中文作文。

每間ESF學校裡屬不同pathway (1, 2, 3) 的學生人數不同，所以還看個別小孩自己的努力。

作者: annie40 時間: 15-5-29 13:09

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Depends on students and families individually. Some can't read properly, some write beautifully. In general ESF Hong Kong can read newspaper, and write a simple correspondent letter with no problem if parents support and encourage their learning at home persistently.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-5-29 13:09

I mean ESF hong kong students

作者: annie40 時間: 15-5-29 13:10

I mean ESF hong kong students

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-5-29 13:17

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nicolelaiyy 發表於 15-5-29 11:06
Dear all,
想問吓學生讀ESF的中文程度，他們大多能看懂一份中文報紙嗎? 以及他們能寫一封簡單的中文信件嗎? ...

So many people ask about the chinese level of different international schools.
It is hard to answer generally.
First, I think everyone has his own expectation when it comes to "being able to read chinese newspaper" and "being able to write chinese letters".
Second, there are students with very wide range of abilities. Even if we are only considering home grown ESF students (i.e. those that got into ESF since Year 1).
Even in local schools, there are students that get 5** in Chinese and there are students that get 2 or 1 in Chinese.
I would say, (1) student effort and (2) family support are extremely important

作者: nicolelaiyy 時間: 15-5-29 17:36

我自二歲起同女兒說大量中文書，和教她認中文生字，她也很有興趣學習，她現在三歲，我不太擔心她不能閱讀中文書本，只擔心日後她不肯練習寫中文生字

作者: annie40 時間: 15-5-29 17:41

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ESF would give Chinese homework and reading materials that suit your daughter. You have a good start, and I would recommend you to think of 'BIG' to support your girl to achieve Chinese level as good as local school students, or even better. Good luck!

作者: lui 時間: 15-5-29 22:25 標題: 引用：Dear+all,想問吓學生讀ESF的中文程度，他們

原帖由 nicolelaiyy 於 15-05-29 發表
Dear all,
想問吓學生讀ESF的中文程度，他們大多能看懂一份中文報紙嗎? 以及他們能寫一封簡單的中文信件嗎? ...

你要多d資料搜集，免行錯路

作者: nicolelaiyy 時間: 15-5-30 01:25

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Lui,
請問什麽意思?

作者: steamball 時間: 15-5-30 07:35

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haha, agree with Lui, difference school also difference, i mean difference ESF

作者: 964000 時間: 15-5-30 16:53 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+steamball+於+15-5-30+07:36+

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haha, agree with Lui, difference school also differenc ...

多中國人的ESF，如SJS, RC中文一般比較好

作者: Activehealth 時間: 15-5-31 17:30

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同意！
我個仔讀QBS六年班，他是讀pathway 3 (最高班）中文。校內很多中文人家庭，我們家里說英語（我兒子在校外補中文），但除了我們外，大多pathway 3 的學生家里是說普通話的。他班內的同學要通過中文benchmark test, 中文作文（簡體字）最少能寫二百五十字以上。但他們多能寫五至六百字，聽寫看講沒問題。班內中文成績最好的女孩，整本「西遊記」文言版也看得懂，比香港本地小學的孩子還强！

作者: annie40 時間: 15-5-31 20:46

有否想過讀國際學校的最大原因？如果國際學校極多中文人家庭，會否少了國際文化的互動？

作者: Activehealth 時間: 15-5-31 22:17

雖然是中文人家庭，但絕大多數是有海外護照或居留權，如以國藉來算，不是中國人。孩子長大後很大機會到海外升學，就算undergrad 在港，postgrad或以後工作也會向外闖。

學生在校可以英語或普通話交談（但英語佔絕大部分），絕不鼓勵只圍着一堆説廣東話。因廣東只是方言，不是正式的語言。但學校是鼓勵學生在家里說自己的語言和保留自己的文化。

他的同學來自世界各地，各様膚色也有。他們除了慶祝中國人新年，聖誕等。還有印度人的Divali及猶太人的Hanukkah 等。

作者: ky_lau 時間: 15-5-31 23:56 標題: 引用：雖然是中文人家庭，但絕大多數是有海外護照

原帖由 Activehealth 於 15-05-31 發表
雖然是中文人家庭，但絕大多數是有海外護照或居留權，如以國藉來算，不是中國人。孩子長大後很大機會到海外 ...

Hello active health. I pm you about Chinese writing at QBS. Please kindly check 😊

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-6-1 08:19 標題: 引用：雖然是中文人家庭，但絕大多數是有海外護照

原帖由 Activehealth 於 15-05-31 發表
雖然是中文人家庭，但絕大多數是有海外護照或居留權，如以國藉來算，不是中國人。孩子長大後很大機會到海外 ...

ESF/QBS allows students to use Mandarin as a language among students? What is the E in ESF?

When we say foreigners we don't mean passports, we mean ethnicity.

作者: Activehealth 時間: 15-6-1 08:34

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Ky_lau, please check PM.

作者: Activehealth 時間: 15-6-1 08:44

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Yes, in fact it's encouraged. As all kids at school are learning PTH at their own pace in different pathways.It is a common language in a way.

E means English. Their teaching medium is English in all subjects except Chinese. All teachers, except in Chinese and other foreign languages in secondary, are native English speakers. Most of them are from the UK.

As IS in HK, ESF has to have a majority of foreigners as students (by passport, NOT ethnic group), as required by the Education Department. Although many foreign passport holders are of Chinese origin (including mixed Chinese).

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-6-1 09:09

Activehealth 發表於 15-6-1 08:44
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Yes, in fact it's encouraged. As all kids at school are learning PTH at the ...

Most people know these facts. Does the school have a target ideal mixture of playground language? How do they Maintain that ideal mixture? What if the playground has 80% PTH? How do they know the best mixture?

作者: slamai 時間: 15-6-1 15:14

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The momentum of those QBS students who are good in Chinese is difficult to maintain in view of only 2 Chinese lessons per week in ESF secondary schools.

作者: Activehealth 時間: 15-6-1 19:16

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Thanks for the tip.
I know, as they are starting a third language which is French or Spanish in Year 7, it's hard to fit in more Chinese lessons in their curriculum.

I think I may get my boy to continue his private Chinese lessons outside when he gets to South Island School.

作者: Activehealth 時間: 15-6-1 19:58

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I think that the Chinese teachers will be laughing their heads off if the playground language in ESF can be 80% PTH, it means that they are doing a miraculous job. It's their dream come true!
Many of the non Chinese students knew little or nothing about PTH before they entered ESF.

If you have read my post carefully, you would have noticed that I said "大多pathway 3的學生家里是說普通話＂but not in other pathways. Usually only the top 1/4 of all students can manage to get into pathway 3.

Schools cannot control the language mixture in the playground for sure. How can they do so, especially when they have such a big difference in Chinese proficiency among the 3 pathways? Pathway 3 students are native or near-native speakers while the pathway 1 student may be Brit fresh from the UK who does not know Chinese at all.
Do you think that the kids will be stupid enough to try to communicate with each other in PTH in this case?

English is definitely the dominant playground language even within the ethnic Chinese group. That's why the school has to promote usage of PTH in the playground, so kids who do not speak PTH otherwise have a chance to practice what they have learned. After all it's ESF, kids are most comfortable in English. Especially now they interview parents in the selection process, priority would definitely be given to kids from English speaking families. If parents (both, not just one) do not speak good English in the interview, kids may have minimal chance of getting in.

作者: gatochat 時間: 15-6-1 20:38

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My son's school allows the children to communicate in any language and holds mother tongue days to celebrate different languages spoken by different children. Personally I think it's great and the children's cultural background are respected. Children are supposed to be playing and relaxing at play time, so why force them to speak in a certain language. When you're on your lunch break, I'm pretty sure you don't want to think about your work stuff too, right?
The 'E' in ESF means English and all lessons are taught in English, except Chinese, and all children are expected to speak English in class. I think this is more than enough for me

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-6-2 00:07

ESF cannot choose students according to ethnicity. There are many ethnic chinese students that hold a foreign passport, and they qualify to be considered "non-local". So it is not surprising that there are that many ethnic chinese students in ESF.

作者: HulkBuster 時間: 15-6-2 10:54

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