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作者: SydneyC 時間: 15-3-24 19:57 標題: local aim for esf primary, needa get in from kindergarten

My girl is local. And I wanna put her in esf primary but since we live quite far away from those esf kindergarten so I m thinking if I can just let her go to some international kindergarten first. But heard that is hard to get offer or even interview chance if the kid isn't from esf kindergarten. Can anyone provide more info. Thanks !

作者: little-pig-pig 時間: 15-3-24 20:12 標題: 回覆：local aim for esf primary, needa get in from kindergarten

Don't think too far yet, it's hard to get into ESF kindy already

作者: mrshoho 時間: 15-3-24 21:34 標題: 回覆：local aim for esf primary, needa get in from kindergarten

Good luck

作者: pandaforever 時間: 15-3-24 22:56 標題: 回覆：local aim for esf primary, needa get in from kindergarten

如果aim IS route 除咗ESF try apply to more schools. 唔好put all your eggs in 1 basket.

作者: clifflam 時間: 15-3-25 07:47

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My case is exactly the same as yours. I gave up the offer of ESF kinder where was about 45mins travel from my home. Instead, I put my child in another kinder nearby (travel time reduced to within 15mins, expert's advice). This year he entered ESF Y1.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-3-25 08:51

本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-3-25 09:05 編輯

ESF is opening a new kindergarten in Tung Chung next year, and if ESF maintains interview priority for it's kindergartens, that means the chances for non-ESF kindergarten pupils will be reduced.

The current situation is ESF has around 1100 Y1 places and 700 K2 pupils, so even if all their K2 children proceed to Y1 there are still a few hundred places for non-ESF children, but this is going to change when Tung Chung opens next year and should be borne in mind when deciding.

(Note: The "1100 Y1 places" refers to the Foundation schools, so if RC and DC are included that will add another 300 or so Y1 places.)

作者: SydneyC 時間: 15-3-25 12:53 標題: 回覆：local aim for esf primary, needa get in from kindergarten

Thank you !!

作者: mamath 時間: 15-3-25 14:03

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-3-25 08:51
ESF is opening a new kindergarten in Tung Chung next year, and if ESF maintains interview priority f ...

Hi, i am very new to IS and could you advise the difference between ESF and RC/DC?

For entry to ESF Y1, is native English required?

作者: cnf1205 時間: 15-3-25 14:51

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Same here...Although Cantonese is the 1st language of me and my husband, our boy speaks English. We are also targeting ESF schools, i.e. KJS and KGV.
Our boy is going to attend a so-called international kinder (pn class) which is a 5min walk from home on coming August, we are thinking to apply k1 of ESF Kinder...Abacus is the nearest one to us (although it is not really "near"), but it only intakes a very limited number of students, both WKS and TY are quite far away...
Not sure which one to apply...struggling....

作者: cnf1205 時間: 15-3-25 15:02

mamath 發表於 15-3-25 14:03
Hi, i am very new to IS and could you advise the difference between ESF and RC/DC?

For entry to ESF ...

RC and DC is the PIS (private independent school) of the ESFthe difference i know is RC and DC is "all-through" schools and are not under the zoning policy, the debenture is a bit more the ESF schools, and the school fee is bit more than the esf school

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-3-25 15:35

mamath 發表於 15-3-25 14:03
Hi, i am very new to IS and could you advise the difference between ESF and RC/DC?
...

RC and DC are Private Independent Schools under the ESF umbrella, and the major difference between them and the Foundation Schools are as follows:-

(1) RC and DC have their primary and secondary sections co-located in the same campus while Foundation primary and secondary schools are separate.

(2) RC and DC follow IB curriculum throughout, while Foundation schools adopt IB (PYP) for primary and then iGCSE for secondary.

(3) 70% of RC and DC's student population should be HK residents, defined as having at least one parent who is a HK permanent resident. There is no such requirement for Foundation schools.

For entry to Y1 they don't expect native English but fluent English, and they have abolished the previous Cat 1 & 2 prioritization.

作者: jemima 時間: 15-3-25 18:48 標題: 引用：回覆+SydneyC+的帖子 My+case+is+exactly+

原帖由 clifflam 於 15-03-25 發表
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My case is exactly the same as yours. I gave up the offer of ESF kinder where ...

I am exactly in the same shoes. Got esf kindy offer but it's far from home. In your case, did u feel it's more difficult to even get an interview for Y1 after u have given up their kindy? Or need nomination rights? Or have sibling priority? I am worried that if we give it up now, we will be 'remembered'

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-3-26 12:29

jemima 發表於 15-3-25 18:48
I am worried that if we give it up now, we will be 'remembered' ...

For sure the kindergartens have a record of who had declined their offers before, but I doubt if they would pass that information to the primary schools. I can't say they wouldn't, but it is quite unlikely.

作者: minirat 時間: 15-3-26 14:52

Even though priority is not guarantee, it is better than nothing. If you are keen on ESF Primary, I would encourage you not give up the chance if you have offer from ESF kinder eventually.

作者: lui 時間: 15-3-26 19:36 標題: 引用：回覆+SydneyC+的帖子 Same+here...Althoug

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原帖由 cnf1205 於 15-03-25 發表
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Same here...Although Cantonese is the 1st language of me and my husband, our bo ...

As I remember you can't choose the kinder it's according to catchment that's mean where u live in.
REVISED: no such limitation for kinder.

作者: mamath 時間: 15-3-27 13:51

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-3-25 15:35
RC and DC are Private Independent Schools under the ESF umbrella, and the major difference between t ...

Thanks very much for the introduction. I just realised that RC and DC indeed target HK residents! Do all RC and DC primary students go to their secondary schools direct? What about the Chinese teaching. Traditional or Simpilfed pls? Should be stronger than the subsidised ESF schools?

作者: oooray 時間: 15-3-27 16:13

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No one will remember you. They just offer places to whom has the highest priority in the queue and can pass the interview.
Please note that turning down the ESF K1 offer means your priority will be lower than (almost lowest) ALL ESF kindy applicants (talking about hundreds?) in Year one Central Application.Only those who file an application AFTER the deadline will be queuing behind you...

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-3-27 17:13

mamath 發表於 15-3-27 13:51
Do all RC and DC primary students go to their secondary schools direct? What about the Chinese teaching. Traditional or Simpilfed pls? ...

Yes both RC and DC are through-train so all primary students will go straight to their secondary section.

I believe RC teaches traditional Chinese while DC teaches simplified. RC has the reputation of being stronger in Chinese than the other ESF schools, but for details you'll have to ask existing RC parents

作者: 964000 時間: 15-3-27 17:14 標題: 引用：My+girl+is+local.+And+I+wanna+put+her+in

原帖由 SydneyC 於 15-03-24 發表
My girl is local. And I wanna put her in esf primary but since we live quite far away from those esf ...

Even from a non ESF kinder, you can buy $500k nomination right and still get the chance for interview.

作者: lckfwylyk 時間: 15-3-27 19:15 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+SydneyC+於+15-03-24+發表My+

原帖由 964000 於 15-03-27 發表
Even from a non ESF kinder, you can buy $500k nomination right and still get the chance for intervie ...

Are the Y1 ESF/PIS interview chances again on a lottery system?
Otherwise, how do they sort out the applicants for an interview chance?

作者: 家常便飯 時間: 15-3-27 21:38

lckfwylyk 發表於 15-3-27 19:15
Are the Y1 ESF/PIS interview chances again on a lottery system?
Otherwise, how do they sort out the ...

I want to know too.

作者: clifflam 時間: 15-3-27 23:11

jemima 發表於 15-3-25 18:48
I am exactly in the same shoes. Got esf kindy offer but it's far from home. In your case, did u feel ...

I can PM you my strategy.

作者: clifflam 時間: 15-3-27 23:13

lckfwylyk 發表於 15-3-27 19:15
Are the Y1 ESF/PIS interview chances again on a lottery system?
Otherwise, how do they sort out the ...

Lottery plus priority mechanism.

作者: CapricornO 時間: 15-3-28 23:32

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作者: Moonlight819 時間: 15-3-28 23:52 標題: 引用：Quote:jemima+發表於+15-3-25+18:48+I+am+e

原帖由 clifflam 於 15-03-27 發表
I can PM you my strategy.

Can you please pm me also?

作者: Saboc 時間: 15-3-29 00:21

Can u pm me too

作者: Bean2012 時間: 15-3-29 02:21 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

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作者: SydneyC 時間: 15-3-29 22:31 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

Pm me please ! Thanks!

作者: lckfwylyk 時間: 15-3-30 01:22 標題: 引用：Quote:jemima+發表於+15-3-25+18:48+I+am+e

原帖由 clifflam 於 15-03-27 發表
I can PM you my strategy.

Pls pm me too. Thanks!

作者: tingcarman 時間: 15-3-30 03:20

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作者: ahjanice 時間: 15-4-11 01:30 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

pls pm too. appreciated n congratulation to ur success

作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-4-11 09:56 標題: 回覆：local aim for esf primary, needa get in from kindergarten

Seems that someone gets the magic wand! If it's a proper clue, why don't share in the forum openly?

作者: Moonlight819 時間: 15-4-11 10:34 標題: 引用：Even+though+priority+is+not+guarantee,+i

原帖由 minirat 於 15-03-26 發表
Even though priority is not guarantee, it is better than nothing. If you are keen on ESF Primary, I ...

Yes, 99% of the graduates of ESF kindy (TY) can enter its primary this year!

作者: minirat 時間: 15-4-11 11:51 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+minirat+於+15-03-26+發表Eve

原帖由 Moonlight819 於 15-04-11 發表
Yes, 99% of the graduates of ESF kindy (TY) can enter its primary this year!

Really?! Is it reliable source? If true, its good news! I have quite a few friends whose kids are in ESF TY K1 now.

作者: Moonlight819 時間: 15-4-11 13:45 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+minirat+於+15-03-26+發表Eve

原帖由 Moonlight819 於 15-04-11 發表
Yes, 99% of the graduates of ESF kindy (TY) can enter its primary this year!

From the ESF parents' group, I think it's quite reliable.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-4-11 15:45

Moonlight819 發表於 15-4-11 10:34
Yes, 99% of the graduates of ESF kindy (TY) can enter its primary this year!

Percentage success rate has always been in the 90's, but 99% is exceptionally good, well done :)

作者: nicolelaiyy 時間: 15-4-12 00:06

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can u pm me pls? many thanks!

作者: abuke 時間: 15-4-12 00:18 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

Can you PM me please? Thanks a million!!!

作者: roxcheng 時間: 15-4-13 00:50 標題: 引用：Quote:jemima+發表於+15-3-25+18:48+I+am+e

原帖由 clifflam 於 15-03-27 發表
I can PM you my strategy.

Can u pm me as well. Thanks !

作者: SydneyC 時間: 15-4-13 02:52 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

Hello can u pm me how to get into esf primary ? Thanks !

作者: minirat 時間: 15-4-13 11:11

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-4-11 15:45
Percentage success rate has always been in the 90's, but 99% is exceptionally good, well done :)

Oh really? Is 90's for ESF TY or ESF kinder in general?

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-4-13 13:21

本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-4-13 17:28 編輯

minirat 發表於 15-4-13 11:11
Oh really? Is 90's for ESF TY or ESF kinder in general?

"96%" was what I heard from the principal of ESF TY kindergarten 3 years ago.

No I can't say if that percentage applies to all ESF kindergartens in general, I suspect it varies from school to school and year to year, thats why I said "90's" instead of "96".

I think beginning with next year the percentage may start to decrease, for 2 reasons:-

(1) They are opening a new kindergarten in Tung Chung, so there will be more ESF kindergarten pupils competing for an unchanged number of seats in ESF primary schools.

(2) From next year onwards, ESF Y1 entrants will no longer enjoy government subsidy so the school fee will rise to approach what other international schools are charging, therefore those ESF kindergarten pupils with Y1 offers from multiple schools may have less incentive to opt for ESF Y1.

The above are of course just my interpretations :)

作者: minirat 時間: 15-4-13 15:42

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-4-13 13:21
"96%" was what I heard from the principal of ESF TY kindergarten 3 years ago.

No I can't say if tha ...

I got the whole picture now. Thanks for your detailed explanation! 90's is a very attractive number for the current kinder students who are hoping to move on to ESF primary. For your reason (1), ESF Tung Chung is not in function yet right? So I guess it won't affect the ESF primary intake next year, no?

作者: shing128 時間: 15-4-13 22:43 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

Can pm your strategy? Thanks for your help.

作者: Bean2013 時間: 15-4-15 17:26

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can pm me too? thank you so much!!!

作者: Josbakh 時間: 15-4-16 06:01 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

Pls pm me your strategy, tks

作者: imconfusing 時間: 15-4-16 23:53 標題: 回覆：local aim for esf primary, needa get in from kindergarten

Wow may I know the magic ?

作者: tsewest 時間: 15-4-21 13:43

clifflam 發表於 15-3-27 23:11
I can PM you my strategy.

Can you PM me please . Thanks

作者: SydneyC 時間: 15-4-21 23:18 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

Do u hav any priority for interview like having sibling etc to get in y1?

作者: SydneyC 時間: 15-4-21 23:25 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子

What's the full name of RC and DC?

作者: SydneyC 時間: 15-4-21 23:29 標題: 回覆：964000 的帖子

Is that refundable or able to resell after the kid graduated ?
I m confused w all those nominate right and debenture in diff IS.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-4-21 23:55

SydneyC 發表於 15-4-21 23:29
Is that refundable or able to resell after the kid graduated ?
I m confused w all those nominate ri ...

Nomination Right is just that, i.e. a right.

You pay an initial deposit of HK$50k to buy a "right" to nominate a child to attend an admission interview, the moment the child goes for the interview, the right is exercised and you'll only get your $50k back if the child fails the interview. If the child succeeds and you decline the school's offer, you'll lose the deposit. If you accept their offer you'll have to pay the remaining amount right away, and you'll lose all of it if the child ends up not going to the school. It is not a debenture that you could sell or redeem or transfer.

作者: SydneyC 時間: 15-4-22 00:06 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子

But the web site shows the nomination right is 500000. 50k is only deposit. I wonder 500000 isn't refundable ? Or count as sch fee? Or just like debenture?

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-4-22 01:47

SydneyC 發表於 15-4-22 00:06
But the web site shows the nomination right is 500000. 50k is only deposit. I wonder 500000 isn't re ...

You pay $50k initial deposit to buy the child an interview, and then ...

----(1) If the child fails the interview you'll get your $50k back, end of story.

----(2) If the child passes the interview, then ...

--------(2a) If you decline the school's offer, you'll lose the $50k deposit, end of story.

--------(2b) If you accept the school's offer, you'll have to pay the remaining $450k right away, then ...

------------(2b1) Child starts classes in August as planned, your $500k is well spent.

------------(2b2) Child has a better offer and goes to the other school, your $500k is wasted.

Basically, at point (2) you say ta-ta to $50k because you won't get it back whatever happens, and at point (2b) you kiss $500k goodbye.

Clear enough? :)

作者: Moonlight819 時間: 15-4-22 09:15 標題: 引用：Quote:SydneyC+發表於+15-4-22+00:06+But+t

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-04-22 發表
You pay $50k initial deposit to buy the child an interview, and then ...

----(1) If the child fails ...

The cost is so much that I prefer to enter it from the ESF kindy!

作者: renoir 時間: 15-4-22 10:36

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Hi, Clifflam, would you pls PM your strategy to me too.
Thanks a lot.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-4-23 09:14 標題: 引用：Quote:SydneyC+發表於+15-4-22+00:06+But+t

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-04-22 發表
You pay $50k initial deposit to buy the child an interview, and then ...

----(1) If the child fails ...

I think the worst scenario is 2b

作者: 964000 時間: 15-4-23 09:14 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+FattyDaddy+於+15-04-22+發表

原帖由 964000 於 15-04-23 發表
I think the worst scenario is 2b

2b(2 I meant

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-4-23 15:03

964000 發表於 15-4-23 09:14
2b(2 I meant

It may not be that bad, if you have paid $500k for a place, you won't give it up unless something much better comes along so it should be a happy loss :)

作者: rabbs 時間: 15-4-28 18:55 標題: 引用：Quote:jemima+發表於+15-3-25+18:48+I+am+e

原帖由 clifflam 於 15-03-27 發表
I can PM you my strategy.

Can u pm me pls ? Thanks

作者: Hilarymother 時間: 15-5-9 15:49 標題: 回覆：SydneyC 的帖子

You live in Tuen Mun, I suppose...

Gigamind Kindergarten in Tin Shui Wai. The English standards are high. Lots of kids end up going to Harrow, Yew Chung or other international schools. If you can't get in, apply to Gigamind Primary School. Nearly 100% get into English schools - local or international.

作者: fan_suki 時間: 15-5-15 10:12

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can pm me as well?

作者: tina520iamflys 時間: 15-5-15 13:55

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hello, can you pm the strategies.
thx.

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