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作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-18 17:46 標題: 求美國升學意見

小女是今屆DSE考生，怕她成績未如理想，正計劃看供她到美國升學（多一手準備），但見大部分媽咪都是讓子女到英國繼續學業，未知兩者之間英國是否較為理想，希望jm能提供資料。同時亦希望有子女在美國升學或準備升學的jm能分享心得，謝謝！

作者: angie_ma 時間: 15-3-19 17:16

我囡也是在英國讀中學, 不過姪女1月啱啱去過美國西雅圖讀讀社區學院, 當中我都有幫手睇下過資料. 吾知我無野可以幫到你.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-19 18:59 標題: 引用：我囡也是在英國讀中學,+不過姪女1月啱啱去

原帖由 angie_ma 於 15-03-19 發表
我囡也是在英國讀中學, 不過姪女1月啱啱去過美國西雅圖讀讀社區學院, 當中我都有幫手睇下過資料. 吾知我無 ...

可唔可以講下點解甘多香港學生都選擇英國而唔去美國留學？因為費用便宜D？

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-3-19 20:49 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+angie_ma+於+15-03-19+發表我

原帖由 happyhealthymin 於 15-03-19 發表
可唔可以講下點解甘多香港學生都選擇英國而唔去美國留學？因為費用便宜D？

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對我來講，費用是一大考慮，之前討論區都有講英國大學費用，約HK$400,000 - 500,000 一年，讀3年；今早聽一美國LA私校介紹費用一年約6萬美元，約HK$500,000一年，讀4年。

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-3-19 20:59 標題: 引用：小女是今屆DSE考生，怕她成績未如理想，正

原帖由 Vansi816 於 15-03-18 發表
小女是今屆DSE考生，怕她成績未如理想，正計劃看供她到美國升學（多一手準備），但見大部分媽咪都是讓子女 ...

你意思是女兒今年9月準備升大學？我今早聽介紹嗰間大學1月中已截止申請，4月大學會通知結果，唔知是否間間一樣，而且部分大學要SAT或ACT成績。

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-19 22:13 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+happyhealthymin+於+15-03-19

原帖由 poonseelai 於 15-03-19 發表
對我來講，費用是一大考慮，之前討論區都有講英國大學費用，約HK$400,000 - 500,000 一年，讀3年；今早聽一 ...

多謝妳的分享。原來如此。甘你覺得英國同美國大學的水平相若嗎？

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-19 22:29 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+Vansi816+於+15-03-18+發表小

原帖由 poonseelai 於 15-03-19 發表
你意思是女兒今年9月準備升大學？我今早聽介紹嗰間大學1月中已截止申請，4月大學會通知結果，唔知是否間間 ...

朋友講好多人會選擇俾仔女先去讀2年community college,之後再升讀2年大學，唔知係唔係呢❓

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-19 22:31 標題: 引用：我囡也是在英國讀中學,+不過姪女1月啱啱去

原帖由 angie_ma 於 15-03-19 發表
我囡也是在英國讀中學, 不過姪女1月啱啱去過美國西雅圖讀讀社區學院, 當中我都有幫手睇下過資料. 吾知我無 ...

社區學院是否community college?

作者: dlam141231 時間: 15-3-19 22:42

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-19 22:29
朋友講好多人會選擇俾仔女先去讀2年community college,之後再升讀2年大學，唔知係唔係呢❓

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確然是這樣, 其實早20多年前, 我在美國的時候, 已經有好些學生循這途徑入讀大學. 最近又聽說有位女孩, 先去加州讀community college, 當然也讀得蠻不錯, 然後在第三年成功轉入UC Berkeley, 是直入第三年. 這樣做, 頭兩年community college學費省許多, 其次, 聽說由CC transfer過去, 難度遠比高中畢業申請大一容易得多.

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-19 22:48 標題: 引用：Quote:Vansi816+發表於+15-3-19+22:29+朋友

原帖由 dlam141231 於 15-03-19 發表
確然是這樣, 其實早20多年前, 我在美國的時候, 已經有好些學生循這途徑入讀大學. 最近又聽說有位女孩, 先 ...

請問循這途徑2年community college 再接上大學難度高嗎？或須要成績很標青呢？謝謝！

作者: dlam141231 時間: 15-3-19 22:58

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-19 22:48
請問循這途徑2年community college 再接上大學難度高嗎？或須要成績很標青呢？謝謝！

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這樣說吧, community college裏頭, 水皮友較多, 如果你家孩子本身讀書能力還可以, 再勤力些, 要在這班人裏出頭, 取得好GPA應該不難. 此外, 我想要入UC Berkeley難些, 但要入加州大學系統其他沒有那麼出名的大學, 如UC Davis, UC Irvine之類又容易好多.

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-20 02:22 標題: 引用：Quote:Vansi816+發表於+15-3-19+22:48+請問

原帖由 dlam141231 於 15-03-19 發表
這樣說吧, community college裏頭, 水皮友較多, 如果你家孩子本身讀書能力還可以, 再勤力些, 要在這班人裏 ...

多謝你的分享

另外想請教，入讀美國必須考英文基準試，請問當中Toefl ,IELTS,iTEP及STEP-Eiken有沒有分那個容易考，那個比較難呢？

作者: poonseelai 時間: 15-3-20 07:27 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+dlam141231+於+15-03-19+發表

原帖由 Vansi816 於 15-03-20 發表
多謝你的分享
另外想請教，入讀美國必須考英文基準試，請問當中Toefl ,IELTS,iTEP及STEP-Eiken有沒 ...

未必可由學生自己選，要check每間大學有無指定

作者: dlam141231 時間: 15-3-20 08:31

本帖最後由 dlam141231 於 15-3-20 08:51 編輯

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-20 02:22
多謝你的分享
另外想請教，入讀美國必須考英文基準試，請問當中Toefl ,IELTS,iTEP及STEP-Eiken有沒 ...

你說的這四種英文基準試, 我也只知知道前面兩種, 後面兩種連聽也沒聽過. 只能說一下我所知的, 有錯請其他家長指正. 一般情況是, 去英國升學, 考IELTS, 去美國升學, 則考TOEFL. 而兩者之間, 個人認為TOEFL較易取得高分.

此外, 我對升讀社區學院的條件要求完全不清楚, 你若有興趣, 確然要如上列家長所說, 進入每間目標社區學院的網站詳看. 我倒是找回我說的那個成功transfer入到UC Berkeley的女孩所讀的community college名稱, 是這裏頭其中一間, 1) De Anza College, 2) Foothill College. 這個女孩是去年九月才轉入Berkeley的, 她讀的CC應該比較靠譜, 你自己去了解一下入學要求, 大概會有個方向知道如何做.

作者: dlam141231 時間: 15-3-20 09:30

poonseelai 發表於 15-3-19 20:49
對我來講，費用是一大考慮，之前討論區都有講英國大學費用，約HK$400,000 - 500,000 一年，讀3年；今早聽一 ...

這個我可以給個概念, 我兒在美讀私立大學, 大城市, 第一年學費約USD43,000, 大學宿舍是3人房, 兩學期共約USD8800. 第二年學費漲了, 約USD44000, 宿舍改住兩人房, 兩學期共約USD13,000, 今年九月升大三, 已說明不想住大學宿舍, 準備四個同學合租專租給大學生的兩房apartment, 說離校極近, 可以只租兩學期共八個月, 說每月每人USD1000(不知道有沒有包水電煤) .
此外, 如果是中小型城市, 又讀州立大學, 學費住宿費和生活費用應該會減低好些.

作者: mugtaitai 時間: 15-3-20 14:18

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-19 22:29
朋友講好多人會選擇俾仔女先去讀2年community college,之後再升讀2年大學，唔知係唔係呢❓

...

呢個確實係一個途徑，尤其高中畢業申請大一入學，入唔到理想大學時，好多人會先去 CC 讀兩年，嗰兩年發奮攞個好成績，再申請入返當日心儀嘅大學。
好處係 CC 比較平，先慳兩年錢，同埋讀 CC 嘅學生一般程度唔及正規大學，如果發下力，要攞好成績相對容易，兩年後挟住好成績入返心儀大學嘅機會大 d。downside 係 CC 嘅程度始終唔及正規大學，學生喺嗰兩年學到嘅嘢可能相對較弱，基礎冇打得咁紮實；呢幾年美國各州都面對財困問題，CC 嘅撥款緊掘，有 d 課程可能開唔到，或者開嘅班少左，學生要喺兩年內讀滿學分可能有難度，要再花長 d 時間，家長要留意

作者: mugtaitai 時間: 15-3-20 14:24

dlam141231 發表於 15-3-19 22:58
這樣說吧, community college裏頭, 水皮友較多, 如果你家孩子本身讀書能力還可以, 再勤力些, 要在這班人裏 ...

是的，UC 系統內，除了 UC Berkeley 和 UCLA，都有 transfer admission guarantee，即是如果一個加州學生在 cc 取得某 GPA，其中一間 UC 一定會收
http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/transfer/guarantee/

作者: mugtaitai 時間: 15-3-20 14:29

happyhealthymin 發表於 15-3-19 18:59
可唔可以講下點解甘多香港學生都選擇英國而唔去美國留學？因為費用便宜D？

...

除左費用，我諗同香港以前係英國殖民地有關。我聽長輩講，當年如果想入政府體系，或者某 d 專業資格（醫科，法律，等等），都一定要英聯邦大學嘅文憑先至承認，其中又以英國最吃香，美國畢業生就唔冇咁嘅待遇，所以好多家長送仔女去英國

作者: mugtaitai 時間: 15-3-20 14:40

happyhealthymin 發表於 15-3-19 22:13
多謝妳的分享。原來如此。甘你覺得英國同美國大學的水平相若嗎？

我覺得相若嘅，但我覺得英國嘅大學本科知識比美國嘅大學紮實，美國比較著重通識，一般大學生頭兩年係未入 major 嘅，讀好多同 major 無關嘅 humanities, social sciences, languages 等等，第三第四年先至正式入 major，咁比起英國大學一入學就入 major 當然差左 d，但又正因為咁，美國嘅學生因為涉獵嘅範圍廣，會比較靈活（八足咁多爪），各有各好。

我覺得如果係讀傳統嘅科目，也許去英國係一個好選擇，如果係讀一 d 創新科技方面嘅，則可能美國適合 d

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-20 16:07 標題: 引用：Quote:Vansi816+發表於+15-3-19+22:29+朋友

原帖由 mugtaitai 於 15-03-20 發表
呢個確實係一個途徑，尤其高中畢業申請大一入學，入唔到理想大學時，好多人會先去 CC 讀兩年，嗰兩年發奮攞 ...

多謝你嘅詳細分享

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-20 16:14

一般來說，不理會費用的話，除了classics同專業課程，我看不到英國讀大學比到美國讀大學優勝的地方。有趣的觀察是：到英國讀書後希望留在富地生活工作的比例遠比到美國讀書希望留下的少。

利申：兩個女兒一英一美；其cousins中，英美約各半。

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-20 16:37 標題: 引用：一般來說，不理會費用的話，除了classics同

原帖由 laorenjia 於 15-03-20 發表
一般來說，不理會費用的話，除了classics同專業課程，我看不到英國讀大學比到美國讀大學優勝的地方。有趣的 ...

請問想到美國升學community college,在當地有家人，如果想自己搞返申請而唔經agent,過程會否好複雜？謝謝！

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-20 16:55

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-20 16:37
請問想到美國升學community college,在當地有家人，如果想自己搞返申請而唔經agent,過程會否好複雜？謝謝！ ...

不複雜，按學校網頁指示便可。但若你屬意的學校agents亦有介紹的話，反正不向你收費，使用其服務又無不可，但要留意agents會趁機推銷學校俾佣較高的學校。

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-20 17:12

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不考慮費用的而並非定要入Cal或UCLA的，建議考慮四年制大學。大學頭兩年個心重要十五十六，唔知transfer去邊，同學要識過哂，唔多好玩。若在港有能力入大學的，一般都入到頭五十名大學。

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-20 17:35 標題: 引用：回覆+laorenjia+的帖子不考慮費用的而並

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不考慮費用的而並非定要入Cal或UCLA的，建議考慮四年制大學。大學頭兩年個心重要十 ...

我都曾有你建議嘅想法，但考慮到2年community college + 2年大學，比起 4年大學，應該學費會平好多，加上都擔心小女語言方面未必跟得上，怕到時佢變咗一舊雲

作者: mugtaitai 時間: 15-3-20 17:38

laorenjia 發表於 15-3-20 17:12
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不考慮費用的而並非定要入Cal或UCLA的，建議考慮四年制大學。大學頭兩年個心重要十 ...

講得啱。我仔今年中五，都計劃大學去美國，UC Berkeley 都係其中一間佢心儀嘅大學，我都問過佢，如果入唔到，會唔會考慮先讀住兩年 cc，之後再 transfer，佢話唔啦，如果入唔到，寧願去另一間大學，美國咁多大學，佢唔信冇一間 decent 嘅收佢，佢都係話唔想嗰兩年個心十五十六，好似唔知會流落去邊咁。我都同意，有好多唔錯嘅 state U 都唔係太難入，比佢入左就心定定專心讀書好過了

作者: mugtaitai 時間: 15-3-20 17:43

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-20 17:35
我都曾有你建議嘅想法，但考慮到2年community college + 2年大學，比起 4年大學，應該學費會平好多，加上都 ...

如果費用唔係你最大嘅顧慮，其實可以同步申請正規大學同 community college，如果入到唔錯嘅大學，睇下學費相差幾遠，到時先決定點做

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-20 17:47

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-20 17:35
我都曾有你建議嘅想法，但考慮到2年community college + 2年大學，比起 4年大學，應該學費會平好多，加上都 ...

咁就真係要計計，但有好多好大學甚至萬幾美金一年都有。語言唔駛驚，有10A生去到史丹福都話唔知人講乜，最緊要面皮厚。收得你就唔怕去讀。

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-20 17:58

樓主女兒是應屆生，四年制fall admission就太遲啦，只能考慮cc。玩盡啲，報四年制winter admission(仲易啲㖭，不過唔係間間有)，fall就讀住cc，遲啲轉埋credits過去，冇有晒。

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-20 18:19

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mugtaitai 發表於 15-3-20 17:38
講得啱。我仔今年中五，都計劃大學去美國，UC Berkeley 都係其中一間佢心儀嘅大學，我都問過佢，如果入唔到 ...

好多人讀cc都想入Cal。講得難聽啲仔女入UC Berkeley係好多亞洲父母嘅wet dream，但要喺cc兩年打做一張完美嘅transcript同CV又豈是易事。

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-20 18:39 標題: 引用：Quote:happyhealthymin+發表於+15-3-19+22:

原帖由 mugtaitai 於 15-03-20 發表
我覺得相若嘅，但我覺得英國嘅大學本科知識比美國嘅大學紮實，美國比較著重通識，一般大學生頭兩年係未入 m ...

非常多謝你的分享，清晰了很多！

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-20 18:43 標題: 引用：一般來說，不理會費用的話，除了classics同

原帖由 laorenjia 於 15-03-20 發表
一般來說，不理會費用的話，除了classics同專業課程，我看不到英國讀大學比到美國讀大學優勝的地方。有趣的 ...

哇，你的經驗真值得參考，因為你兩國的大學都有女兒讀！你意思是美國大學的水平高過英國？同時，你覺得點解多人選擇留在美國而不留在英國？

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-20 19:07

mugtaitai 發表於 15-3-20 14:24
是的，UC 系統內，除了 UC Berkeley 和 UCLA，都有 transfer admission guarantee，即是如果一個加州學生在 ...

UCSD 已取消了transfer admission guarantee.

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-20 19:39

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happyhealthymin 發表於 15-3-20 18:43
哇，你的經驗真值得參考，因為你兩國的大學都有女兒讀！你意思是美國大學的水平高過英國？同時，你覺得點解 ...

再講分分鐘就有論戰，簡單講，有美國頭五十大學水準嘅英國大學不多，數嚟數去都係幾間。不要忘記，英國是一個小很多的國家，儘管有輝煌的歷史。課外活動英國沉悶小小，來來去去都係partying同pubbing。鄰居N仔收到英國大學conditional offer就馬上上淘寶買咗張加州駕駛執照，準備喺英國freshman week用嚟証明夠秤，以便大飲特飲。啲大學介紹好多都介紹自己啲pubs 點好。美國地方大，較需要私家車，有車就去多好多地方。香港人畢業後若是讀STEM的，要留下也不難。

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-20 19:51 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+laorenjia+於+15-3-20+19:43+

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你嘅經驗給我上了寶貴的一課，多謝

作者: dlam141231 時間: 15-3-20 19:54

mugtaitai 發表於 15-3-20 14:40
我覺得相若嘅，但我覺得英國嘅大學本科知識比美國嘅大學紮實，美國比較著重通識，一般大學生頭兩年係未入 m ...

我兒是大二就開始讀major, 而且他還 double major。現在是大二下學期，他參加了study abroad, 這學期整整四個月，他都在歐州某國求學。他也計劃大三下學期做internship。所以，以他的情況，美國大學四年，相比英國大學三年，他多出的一年是異國求學和生活，還有實習工作經驗。

作者: Sheep006 時間: 15-3-20 21:38

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請問你倆個女係香港讀完中幾先過去英美呢？

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-20 23:11 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+laorenjia+於+15-3-20+19:43+

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多謝你的分享。

作者: bee 時間: 15-3-21 12:56 標題: 引用：我囡也是在英國讀中學,+不過姪女1月啱啱去

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我囡也是在英國讀中學, 不過姪女1月啱啱去過美國西雅圖讀讀社區學院, 當中我都有幫手睇下過資料. 吾知我無 ...

may I know which CC in seattle your 姪女 selected? I am also planning to send my son to seattle soon early of next year, thanks

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-21 12:56

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請問你倆個女係香港讀完中幾先過去英美呢？

本想讀完初中就送走佢哋(因所有cousins都係喺高中前走的)，奈何二人不願。大女兒喺中大玩咗一年至走，細女就中學後走。

作者: mugtaitai 時間: 15-3-21 15:54

bee 發表於 15-3-21 12:56
may I know which CC in seattle your 姪女 selected? I am also planning to send my son to seattle soo ...

As far as I know, Bellevue Community College is a pretty good one. A lot of their graduates go to University of Washington

作者: bee 時間: 15-3-21 23:28 標題: 回覆：mugtaitai 的帖子

yes, I also like this cc, but they dont offer high school completion program...so i can not pick this one

作者: missk28 時間: 15-3-21 23:40

bee 發表於 15-3-21 23:28
yes, I also like this cc, but they dont offer high school completion program...so i can not pick thi ...

Wonder if any problem when there is no high school completion program being offered. Thanks

作者: bee 時間: 15-3-22 00:17 標題: 回覆：missk28 的帖子

my son will not complete the dse in hong kong, so he need to take the high school completion program and the college at the same time

作者: Sheep006 時間: 15-3-22 19:17

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其實幾多歲過去最合適呢？

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-3-22 23:29

The best time is to commence at Grade 9. You will have a transcript of all your results in high school for the admission officer 's consideration.

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-23 02:09 標題: 引用：我囡也是在英國讀中學,+不過姪女1月啱啱去

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我囡也是在英國讀中學, 不過姪女1月啱啱去過美國西雅圖讀讀社區學院, 當中我都有幫手睇下過資料. 吾知我無 ...

亞囡報咗考Toefl，看見坊間有好多教考Toefl的課程，但沒有讀過，請問Toefl 的考試過程是怎樣的呢？

作者: dlam141231 時間: 15-3-23 07:33

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-23 02:09
亞囡報咗考Toefl，看見坊間有好多教考Toefl的課程，但沒有讀過，請問Toefl 的考試過程是怎樣的呢？

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上官方網站www.toefl.org, 很多資料都一目了然. 此外, 要去美國升學, www.collegeboard.org也是必看, college search裏頭, 不單可以查到四年制大學資料, 兩年制的community college也可以搜尋到.

TOEFL iBT Test SectionsSectionTime LimitQuestionsTasks
Reading*60–80 minutes36–56 questionsRead 3 or 4 passages from academic texts and answer questions.
Listening60–90 minutes34–51 questionsListen to lectures, classroom discussions and conversations, then answer questions.
Break10 minutes——
Speaking20 minutes6 tasksExpress an opinion on a familiar topic; speak based on reading and listening tasks.
Writing50 minutes2 tasksWrite essay responses based on reading and listening tasks; support an opinion in writing.

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Sheep006 發表於 15-3-22 19:17
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其實幾多歲過去最合適呢？

我也贊成唸完初中才出去。

我們家第三代全都到外國讀大學，主要是希望他們眼界開闊些，讀的大學好一些，生活有趣一些，人也變得獨立一些，少一點王子病，公主病。但過早把孩子送走，有三個弊端，和父母的關係可能會較疏離，中文可能會丢掉，香港學生數學方面的優勢可能會失去。相反，讀完中學才走也有弊端，英文要去掉HK accent會較難(見不少英文較差的學生，去完英國讀大學英文重差咗)，要入頂尖大學如oxbridge也會較難。

所以去外國唸高中是較佳的方案。

作者: bee 時間: 15-3-23 12:29

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-23 02:09
亞囡報咗考Toefl，看見坊間有好多教考Toefl的課程，但沒有讀過，請問Toefl 的考試過程是怎樣的呢？

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my son took the tofel in Dec 2014, he said it is not really very difficult, so don't think it is required to attend any pre-training that...good luck.

作者: Sheep006 時間: 15-3-23 19:10

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好多謝你的分享

，所以针無兩頭利

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-27 18:12 標題: 引用：一般來說，不理會費用的話，除了classics同

原帖由 laorenjia 於 15-03-20 發表
一般來說，不理會費用的話，除了classics同專業課程，我看不到英國讀大學比到美國讀大學優勝的地方。有趣的 ...

有一事想請教，本來替女兒報了3月28日的Toefl 試，但昨天3月26日收到Toefl 的e-mail,説取消了28日的考試，要求我們另選日期再考，但上網查看時，發現最近的日期已去到6月14日，請問這個情形是否應該轉考IELTS ? IELTS 會比較 Toefl 難考嗎？謝謝！

作者: bee 時間: 15-3-27 20:25 標題: 回覆：Vansi816 的帖子

kowloon centre 有5月的schedule

作者: bee 時間: 15-3-27 20:26 標題: 回覆：bee 的帖子

http://www.ets.org/bin/getprogram.cgi?urlSource=toefl&newRegURL=&test=TOEFL&greClosed=new&greClosedCountry=China&browserType=&toeflType=&redirect=&t_country1=group_HongKong

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if u want to go to USA, i think you should take TOFEL

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-27 21:34 標題: 回覆：bee 的帖子

Thx

作者: Vansi816 時間: 15-3-27 23:30 標題: 引用：if+u+want+to+go+to+USA,+i+think+you+shou

原帖由 bee 於 15-03-27 發表
if u want to go to USA, i think you should take TOFEL

Thank you for your information! I have check with the college, they accept IELTS either, and the earliest date to take the test is 11-4-2015. Do you have any ideas about which will be easier?Toefl or IELTS ?

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-3-28 01:03

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If you want to obtain 100 or above with each component not less than 25 inTOFEL or 7 or above in IETLS with each component not less tha 7, the difficulty is similar.

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作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-28 12:11

Vansi816 發表於 15-3-27 18:12
有一事想請教，本來替女兒報了3月28日的Toefl 試，但昨天3月26日收到Toefl 的e-mail,説取消了28日的考試， ...

I can only speak from my daughters' experience. One took Ielts for pcll application and the other took TOEFL for going to the USA. Ielts is closer to hkdse in the approach while TOEFL will test more on grammar, style and vocabulary and thus need different preparation.
If you are concerned, why not take both?

作者: Sheep006 時間: 15-3-28 18:04

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How about SAT?

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-28 21:31

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Most US universities need SAT or ACT results for freshman admission. Though some US universities are "SAT/ACT optional", I suggest your child to take either one so that he/she has more choices. SAT will change format in 2016. Buy a study pack, take a diagnostic test of one SAT and ACT, your child will know which one test he/she will score higher.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-28 23:39 標題: 引用：回覆+Sheep006+的帖子 Most+US+universiti

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Most US universities need SAT or ACT results for freshman admission. Though so ...

So if the school runs IB or GCSE but the student wants to study in US university, the student needs to take SAT by himself?

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-29 14:01

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Yes, IB is viewed as equivalent to AP in US uni admission. IB cannot replace SAT/ACT.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-29 14:12 標題: 引用：回覆+happyhealthymin+的帖子 Yes,+IB+is+

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IC. Would you mind to share your views between US and UK universities? Btw, you child is very smart! Congratulation on his achievements.

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-29 17:27

Sheep006 發表於 15-3-28 18:04
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How about SAT?

樓上已解釋詳盡。有一點要注意，不要只考慮SAT。我鄰居C女話ACT啱香港學生啲。佢喺第一屆DSE，只考ACT,冇AP,入咗UCLA.

作者: Sheep006 時間: 15-3-29 18:12

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UCLA?邊間？即是可以揀考ACT或SAT,對嗎?你係話考ACT好過SAT?其實我係幫朋友個仔問嘅，佢未考DSE,先考SAT,佢話如果考倒好的大學就唔考DSE,直接去美國讀大學

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-29 18:25

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University of California, Los Angeles. 考個SAT/ACT睇吓有幾分先。

作者: ponnychan 時間: 15-3-29 19:09

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UCLA?邊間？即是可以揀考ACT或SAT,對嗎?你係話考ACT好過SAT?其實我係幫朋友個仔問 ...

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作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-29 20:39 標題: 引用：回覆+happyhealthymin+的帖子 Yes,+IB+is+

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Sorry. Did you reply to my previous post? I received the messages reminder but strangely I can't see the messages. Some bugs. Would you mind sending me again? Sorry.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-29 22:34

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Yes, I would like to share my view on UK and US universities with parents here too, as my son has applied to uni in both countries, and received some really good offers from uni in both countries.
We don't have particular preferences to either country. As my son has quite strong academic background, we aim at top 50 universities in the world as listed in various league table such as QS, Times Higher Education, US news.
Here are my views after 2 years of research, school visits and applications in both countries;

UK uni are cheaper (when compared with private uni in US and U California system), only require 3 years to graduate, safer (fewer guns and crimes). However, the academic structure is more rigid. Students have to be very clear which programs they will take when applying. There are only few elective courses, few general education courses, difficult to take minor. It's hard to change to other programs once enrolled. It's good if the students decide to take professional programs such as medicine and law. However, if the students have not decided their career at the age of 17, US uni provide more flexible choices.

The "liberal arts" education advocated by most top US uni are also highly regarded by IB advocates: to provide a broad general education at uni level, to prepare the students with lifelong advantages in critical thinking and broad based knowledge. My hubby graduated in US with a professional degree. He said that the general education in US uni, such as psychology, sociology, English writing, English literature courses made him better equipped when he climbed up the career ladder. It's especially useful when he needed to change field to sales and marketing, general administration, or even changing career field.

In many cases, US uni only requires students to declare major at the end of 2nd year, and changing major, double major, major with minor are fairly easy as compared with UK uni.

When I have time later, I will talk about the complicated process and preparation for applying US top universities. It's kind of nightmare, and exert great pressure to students taking IB and applying to both US and UK/HK. March is the month when all top US uni announce their admission decision. It requires excellent EQ and AQ for all parents and students involved to wait for uni taking turn to announce results, hearing their classmates got admitted, waitlisted, and rejected by each top uni, and then wonder what will happen to himself.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-29 22:44 標題: 引用：回覆+happyhealthymin+的帖子 Yes,+I+woul

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Thanks very much for your generous sharing. I am sure you have high EQ. Your information is very useful for me when deciding which system to study. Look forward to your further sharing.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-29 22:45

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One of the greatest advantages of US uni to UK, for IB and DSE students, is that US uni gives "unconditional" offer. It means that, after receiving the offers, either in Dec for early admission, or March for regular admission, the students can stop studying hard for IB and DSE. UK/HK universities give conditional offer. Students need to study hard in the IB/DSE exams to meet the stated conditions of offer.
However, US application process will kill you... to be continued when I have time

作者: lui 時間: 15-3-30 04:44 標題: 引用：回覆+happyhealthymin+的帖子 Yes,+I+woul

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My closed friend is the admission reader of Yale university. He has been reading thousands and thousands of application for three months. The school promised him he will be done on all application this Sunday, that's today so he can meet me and my family tomorrow in Bangkok. That's damn difficult to get on top unis in US.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-30 09:27 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+foolish.mom+於+15-03-29+發

原帖由 lui 於 15-03-30 發表
My closed friend is the admission reader of Yale university. He has been reading thousands and thous ...

Wow, I wish I knew someone like that. Please do share with us some insightful information after your Bangkok holiday if you don't mind.

作者: caa 時間: 15-3-30 11:50

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Thx for sharing. Is your son going for us or uk finally?

作者: raymonds 時間: 15-3-30 12:08

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Congrats for your son's offers from some great UK uni. Any good news from US side? Knowing that some uni has already announced their admission result.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-30 12:30

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Thank you all parents' for your care on my son.
caa,

My top choice is still Oxbridge. But I am not sure if my son will study hard to meet the offer conditions. As I said before, UK is cheaper, safer. Oxbridge's tutorial system is not comparable by any other uni in the world. The students have weekly tutorial with a professor on a 1 to 1 or 2 basis. It's like private tutoring by a world class scholar.

raymonds,

Yes, luckily he already got some good unconditional offers from US uni, though not his top choice. If he cannot meet Oxbridge offer, he will go US. There are already countless sleepless nights for me, knowing that a particular uni will announce the admission results the next morning. Ivy league will all announce the results on Mar 31 afternoon US Eastern time. I will gonna sleep as I don't expect any good news there.

作者: Y2kqk 時間: 15-3-30 12:44

Oxbridge is already a lot of people's dream school. Congrats your son is really smart!

作者: raymonds 時間: 15-3-30 13:03

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I know all the stress you (as parent) go through now as I did the same before. I have confidence in your son getting the requested condition for the UK offers no problem (the standard IB offer for Oxford, IC and LSE is only 38-40, it shouldn't be a problem for your son!!). But it will be a tough decision when choosing between Oxford with some really good Ivies college. Good luck.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-30 13:16

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Thank you for your blessings! Where did your children study? Any advice for us?

作者: raymonds 時間: 15-3-30 14:23

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My daughter is doing a professional degree in UK, at a top number 1 university by subject ranking. She did hve an offer from one of the Ivies league college US at that time, but we considered the UG education at her present school is far more comprehensive, solid and offering great opportunity in future internship. So she finally chose UK. Besides, most likely she will do a PG degree later. I see the UG program may not be so much difference between UK and US, but US definitely got big advantage in PG program in terms of research funding and support, international renowned professor and connection. By doing that, she could enjoy the benefits and background of both world (UK and US).
My personal view is for top student to aim the top universities, UK and US do provide very good choices. Never go wrong. But for middle and low achievers, US's flexibility in learning environment and course program structure do require the students' self-discipline and motivation which is usually lack in middle to lower tier students. For them, I would suggest to go for UK schools for UG.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-30 14:52

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Thank you for your sharing. I agree that as US colleges are more flexible in choosing and studying courses, it requires self-discipline of the students to do their best in order to meet the graduation requirement. My hubby also worries that my son will not be able to graduate in 5 years due to his laziness and lay back character.One of my relatives couldn't graduate in MIT after 8 years in there! He was a top student in high school.

作者: lui 時間: 15-3-30 15:13 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+lui+於+15-03-30+發表My+clos

原帖由 happyhealthymin 於 15-03-30 發表
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he will share some of the good essays without naming it , those with touched stories. This year they accept 3 kids from HK. 1 DGS 1 CIS and 1 HKIS in the early admission.

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-3-30 15:26

Several years ago, the US colleges would usually release the admission results from 15 March onward. Seldom they would release the result on the last day of March, the official latest announcement date for US colleges.

My friend's daughter has received 4 decisions from top 20 US colleges - 2 admitted, one-rejected and one waited-list.

I think its makes no difference if you study in any one of the top 20 US colleges. There is no need to stick to the word "Ivy". I think MIT, Stanford, JHU, Duke or CIT is as good as any Ivy colleges.

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-30 15:33

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Thank you all parents' for your care on my son.

I can't say I have a similar experience but I do understand what you're going through. Applying to top universities is really a torturing experience if the kid is also preparing for DSE or IB exams. one of my daughter's classmates applied to 7 or 8 top us universities. When she checked the results, she found herself rejected by the universities, one by one. Hands shaking and body trembling, she pressed the key for the last one...She is now a Yale graduate. So just hang in there. Good luck!

作者: laorenjia 時間: 15-3-30 15:45

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happyhealthymin 發表於 15-3-30 09:27
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There is a film called "Admission" which can give you a glimpse on how Princeton reads the applications. One thing I'm sure: these people all love nice stories. A good personal statement is important. Of course it's easier said than done as these admission officers would have already read thousands of good personal statemens before seeing yours.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-30 15:52

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Yes, all other top US uni announced already, as far as I know, except all Ivy Leagues. The students (at college confidential forum) call it Ivy day, March 31 afternoon this year.

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-3-30 15:54

It is relatively easy to make the decision.

If your kid aims to study medicine, the choice should be HK first, then UK (so long as the offer is for medicine) and then Ivies the last

If your kid aims to study law, the choice should be Oxbridge (+ some top law school in UK) first, HK (second), then Ivies (last). If your kid does not mind take 4 more years, the preference should be Oxbridge (+ top law schools in UK), Ivies (+ 4 years later, to study ID in HK), the HK.

If the offer is general degree, Ivy (first), Oxbridge (second). So long as you have Ivy or Oxbrige, there is no need to mention HK.

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-3-30 16:06

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Thanks. I agree that essay is the most important component of the whole application package. My son wrote all together 9 versions of the "common app" essay. When he finished the 6th one, he let me have a look. I said he might want to go ahead with the 5th version, finish and polish it, and let the counsellor comment. Then the counsellor didn't like the idea at all. He came back, frustrated and exhausted, wanted to give up. It was only 15 days from the early application deadline. I persuaded and encouraged him to write again. He wrote another 3 versions. I liked the 8th one. This time the counsellor approved the idea, maybe the deadline is approaching. He is a math and science guy, not very good at writing this kind of essays. But I think he wrote not so bad as he already got some offers. But he is not particularly good, as he got rejections too.
I went over some data provided by students who got accepted and rejected by US top uni these days, (on college confidential forum) and I can see the randomness of being accepted into a particular top US uni. Someone mentioned that, on a sunny day, the number of applications accepted is particularly higher than a rainy day. I believe it. It's not much difference as a lucky draw, when the students concerned all showed acceptable GPA, SAT/ACT, excellent extracurricular activities with leadership.

作者: raymonds 時間: 15-3-30 16:15

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All the top US colleges admission are very subjective and unpredictable. They call it holistic approach. You can never predict your chance until the very end. That is why nowadays, the US students who target the top colleges, will usually sent out 20 - 30 applications to cover everything!!! Like making the lucky draw more lucky.

Also all of them are "easy to get in, difficult to graduate". The statistic shows less than 50% will graduate in 4 years. (Of course, this statistic is very misleading and includes many situation.) But for our decent HK students like your son, I won't be worry about him not being able to graduate timely, if he can get in.

作者: lui 時間: 15-3-30 17:02 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+lui+於+15-03-30+發表My+clos

原帖由 happyhealthymin 於 15-03-30 發表
Wow, I wish I knew someone like that. Please do share with us some insightful information after your ...

A good book to recommend: how to be a high school superstar.

作者: lui 時間: 15-3-30 17:17 標題: 引用：回覆+foolish.mom+的帖子 All+the+top+US+

原帖由 raymonds 於 15-03-30 發表
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All the top US colleges admission are very subjective and unpredictable. Th ...

Yes per my friend, the U.S. System is not perfect . It's very subjective. They even didn't have a tariff table as in UK. So the good side is if you get a min grade with good essays you might get in. But that is not gonna happen in Oxbridge. Also if the admission reader is a quiet person, he might not argue for his application so that's not good to the applicant himself. It's kind of lucky lucky draw then.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-30 17:29 標題: 引用：回覆+foolish.mom+的帖子 My+daughter+is+

原帖由 raymonds 於 15-03-30 發表
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My daughter is doing a professional degree in UK, at a top number 1 univers ...

Raymonds , thanks for your sharing. Your perspective is a new and thought-provoking to me. Please keep sharing more of your valuable experience.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-30 17:38 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+happyhealthymin+於+15-03-30

原帖由 lui 於 15-03-30 發表
he will share some of the good essays without naming it , those with touched stories. This year they ...

I see. Wish I could hear those touching stories as well. But how do we define touching? For me I feel touched when I really feel someone is truly scarifying for another. This is just an example. So touching or not is quite subjective. And I am thinking about students from HK, especially those in DGS, CIS and HKIS, all have a relatively excellent family background. I am really curious what their touched stories are.

作者: happyhealthymin 時間: 15-3-30 17:40 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+happyhealthymin+於+15-03-30

原帖由 lui 於 15-03-30 發表
A good book to recommend: how to be a high school superstar.

Thanks for the recommendation. Will read during holiday.

作者: webeheld 時間: 15-3-31 14:48

Hello,

I graduated from a local school in HK recently and went straight to a US traditional top 10. Not an Ivy tho and this year I'm applying to transfer into Ivies. PM me if you want any further information regarding the application processes :)

作者: angie_ma 時間: 15-3-31 15:29

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我姪女係考IELTS, 我都相信IELTS易考D, 你可以去英國文化協會網頁睇下.

作者: angie_ma 時間: 15-3-31 15:39

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Yes, 是community College. 我姪女現在在西雅圖讀2年College, 之後會升讀大學Year 3 (如無意外). 呢個姪女既表哥之前都係透過呢個途徑入左UC Beckley. 所以如果俾心機讀, 應該問題吾大. 不過一般讀community College 既學生都要比較自律, 吾似得中學咁有老師睇住.

作者: fungsiufong 時間: 15-4-1 00:33

While experienced parents here are talking about UK Vs USA Universities, my son is hesitating of which university to go. Appreciate parents could share your opinion.

In UK, he is applying Law. Got condition offer from LSE, the condition is not hard to achieve.

In USA, he is applying Statistics, Actuarial Science.
Got offer from Duke, Johns Hopkins, UCLA, USC with half tuition scholarship.

He has no preference among these majors, but he wants to go to a college with competitive environment
and drive.

Among these universities, which ranks higher ?

How would you choose ?

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-4-1 01:47

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My son got similar offers several years ago. Since he aspired to be a lawyer, he chose LSE and is now a lawyer. It all depends on your son's interest. If your son wants to be an investment banker， he should take DUKE. As I far I know, unless you are from Oxbridge or from the finance of LSE, the chance of being employed by an investment bank is not high. If your son is interested in science and science research, he should either go to Duke or Johns Hopkins.
All the above colleges are very competitive, it all depends on what your son wants to do. For your information, after PCLL, my son studies at a T-14 law school in USA to taste the college life in the USA. After one year, he told me that he did not make the wrong choice because he can be a lawyer at the age of 25. With LLB and LLM from quite famous law colleges in two countries.

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