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作者: Lamk2 時間: 15-2-22 00:28 標題: KJS or RC? need to make a decision soon
My little girl got the P1 offer from both KJS and RC. Both are good schools....tough decision. My elder daughter is currently in RC, but ppl told me KJS is hard to get in too... So how?
作者: kidsbooks 時間: 15-2-22 07:18
isn't it better to have two gals going to the same school? does your older daughter like RC?
I think it is more about if the school is suitable for the kids, not because if the school is harder to get in? personal thought only
作者: bebemuimui 時間: 15-2-22 09:18 標題: 回覆：Lamk2 的帖子
I guess RC is more like a bilingual school while KJS is more traditional. RC is getting more popular though it is located quite far away from Kowloon and HK island.
Personally I would choose KJS: Government subsidy, better facility, King George V.
作者: Ruth0329 時間: 15-2-22 14:16 標題: 回覆：bebemuimui 的帖子
Agree with you the Government subsidy is v attractive for KJS.
However, when comparing the facilities, I think RC with a campus which is well equipped even for secondary students I think it will not be worse than KJS. Regarding connection to KGV, it is only subject to residential location, not guarantee.
作者: bebemuimui 時間: 15-2-22 21:46 標題: 回覆：Ruth0329 的帖子
the campus of KJS has been in use for only around 2 years. Also, Esf is planning to link up KJS and KGV together (Esf parents should have received the email). KJS kids could certainly use the KGV facility more in the future.
Anyway RC is quite attractive to those who are focusing on learning Chinese. Since we speak Chinese at home, we are okay with what the school offers. We could teach Chinese at home. the most thing I don't like is RC too distant.
作者: Mickeybear 時間: 15-2-22 23:37
Will choose KJS as its very difficult to get in, and it's more international
作者: Ruth0329 時間: 15-2-22 23:40 標題: 回覆：bebemuimui 的帖子
Thx so much for your inside knowledge re KJS linking to KGV, do you know whether BHS have direct connection with KGV too? （since my knowledge per website and another thread says not all pupils can go up to KGV, for example if the kid is residing at Olympic or Mei Foo etc.)
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-2-23 01:07
Ruth0329 發表於 15-2-22 23:40 
Thx so much for your inside knowledge re KJS linking to KGV, do you know whether BHS have direct con ...
For example, a child living in Jordan will go to Kowloon Junior for primary but Island School instead of KGV for secondary. A child living in Tsuen Wan will go to Beacon Hill for primary but Shatin College instead of KGV for secondary. A child living in Tsing Yi will go to Shatin Junior for primary but Island School instead of Shatin College for secondary.
The above is further complicated by ESF occasionally redrawing the catchment zones, so if one is targeting a particular secondary school (such as KGV), be prepared to check ESF's latest area mappings before starting Year 6 and move address if necessary.
The following document describes ESF's current school zones:-
http://www.esf.edu.hk/sites/esf/files/ESF_School_Zone_150611.pdf
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-2-23 01:20
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Ruth0329 發表於 15-2-22 23:40
if the kid is residing at Olympic or Mei Foo ...
Olympic is at the boundary between catchment zones, if the residential address is south west of Cherry Street, it is Kowloon Junior then Island School, if not, it is Beacon Hill then KGV.
Mei Foo is Beacon Hill then Island School.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-2-23 01:34
ESF's catchment zones sometimes are a little baffling.
For Discovery Bay it is Bradbury then Island School.
For Tung Chung it is Kowloon Junior then KGV.
Bottom line is, NEVER assume that going to a particular primary school will land a child in a particular secondary school, ALWAYS re-check their zones when it gets near the time (i.e. beginning of Year 6).
作者: ramen 時間: 15-2-23 10:12
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Mickeybear 發表於 15-2-22 23:37
Will choose KJS as its very difficult to get in, and it's more international
Not true for "more international" tho...think more than 60% of the KJS students is from one ethnic group. 
And don't think it is more difficult to get in since ESF uplifted the Cat 1 / Cat 2 requirement. Basically, if you are from ESF kindies you are very likely to get interview these two years. From my observation, more than 90% of ESF kindies kids got interview offer these two years, while before I think it was around 60 - 70%. And I think RC is more selective in choosing their students relatively as ESF primaries' admissions is non-selective.
作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-23 12:25 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+ramen+於+15-2-23+10:36+編輯+
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作者: ramen 時間: 15-2-23 12:47
hkparent 發表於 15-2-23 12:25
KJS referred as the student mix is more international. RC mostly local HK students. Correct me i ...
作者: happy116 時間: 15-2-23 12:50 標題: 回覆：ramen 的帖子
I see your point. I talked to a parent in KJS who is an Indian, she also share the same view.
作者: happy116 時間: 15-2-23 12:51 標題: 引用：Quote:hkparent+發表於+15-2-23+12:25+KJS+
原帖由 ramen 於 15-02-23 發表
Hum...when 2/3 of the class is from one ethnic group, then it wouldnt make it very international tho ...
作者: Ruth0329 時間: 15-2-23 15:44 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子
Thx for your clarification!
作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-23 18:16 標題: 引用：Quote:hkparent+發表於+15-2-23+12:25+KJS+
原帖由 ramen 於 15-02-23 發表
Hum...when 2/3 of the class is from one ethnic group, then it wouldnt make it very international tho ...
作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-2-23 18:26 標題: 回覆：hkparent 的帖子
KJS較多印度矞學童，但當然也有其他国籍的孩子。
作者: shin08 時間: 15-2-23 19:42 標題: 引用：Quote:hkparent+發表於+15-2-23+12:25+KJS+
原帖由 ramen 於 15-02-23 發表
Hum...when 2/3 of the class is from one ethnic group, then it wouldnt make it very international tho ...
http://www.edb.gov.hk/attachment/en/student-parents/ncs-students/useful-school-list/e-prospectus%20hong%20kong%20international%20schools.pdf
作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-23 21:26 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+ramen+於+15-02-23+發表Hum..
原帖由 shin08 於 15-02-23 發表
I just wonder where u get the information that 60% of the kjs students are from one ethnic group. I ...
作者: bebemuimui 時間: 15-2-23 21:44 標題: 引用：Quote:Ruth0329+發表於+15-2-22+23:40+Thx+
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-02-23 發表
Fact is, which ESF secondary school a child goes to does NOT depend on which ESF primary school he/s ...
A recent update
作者: gatochat 時間: 15-2-23 22:41
I think regardless of the mix of children in the school, we parents have little control over who our children play with.
My son goes to RCHK. I've heard from other parents, and have personally over heard some of the children using Chinese to communicate amongst themselves. My son prefers and would rather play with English speaking ones ( I was kinda hoping his would get to use his Cantonese occasionally).
My son has also became very close to some wild Caucasian children and there's nothing I can do about it other than constantly reminding him to be sensible and think twice before he act on anything.
In conclusion, I would choose a school based on the facilities/teaching/location rather than on the race of the children.
作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-23 23:26 標題: 引用：I+think+regardless+of+the+mix+of+childre
原帖由 gatochat 於 15-02-23 發表
I think regardless of the mix of children in the school, we parents have little control over who our ...
作者: shin08 時間: 15-2-24 01:35 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shin08+於+15-02-23+發表I+ju
原帖由 hkparent 於 15-02-23 發表
Most ethnic Chinese in KJS hold foreign passports? What is the proportion of expat families (white U ...
作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-24 08:24 標題: 回覆：shin08 的帖子
Thank you. That's what I thought. I don't think the 2/3 figure is true. I am only doubtful about the language environment in the independent schools.
作者: ramen 時間: 15-2-24 09:14
本帖最後由 ramen 於 15-2-24 09:36 編輯
shin08 發表於 15-2-23 19:42
I just wonder where u get the information that 60% of the kjs students are from one ethnic group. I ...
From your last reply, I think you are one of the KJS parents. Answers to your question of where I got the information:
1)
Please refer to the email dated 15 October 2014 from the Principal regarding Diwali Celebration (Indian New Year which celebrates at KJS each year). The Principal wrote “…Diwali is an important event on the KJS calendar reflecting the large proportion of the school community (approximately 50% of our students) with cultural links to India and the Hindu faith…”.
2)
I think the number of 50% the School mentioned is a general / conservative number. If you have the 2014 Yearbook (the latest one) please take a look at it. Take several class photos randomly and count the numbers of Indian students. Least case is about 10 – 12 nos., medium case is about 15 – 18 nos. and extreme case is 22 – 25 nos. Also take a look at the sports teams photos, I think they should be fair / representable of a school population. Each team consisted of more than 50% of Indian students (but don’t look at Cricket Team which is 100% coz it wouldn’t be fair due to the background of the sports). The EDB link you provided stated 24.4% of Indian students in KJS as at August 2010 (simple math, average 7.32 in each class of 30 children), don’t think it truly reflected the reality.
But that’s not my point, my point is not about whether the majority of Indian students at KJS being an disadvantage or advantage. Back to the discussion of this thread: KJS or RC? Some shared the view of preferring KJS over RC because it is more “international”. All I wanted to say is: having a majority of Indian students at KJS is not any more “international” than having a majority of Chinese / Hong Kong students at RC. After all, a school with a large population of any ethnic group can’t be “international” than the other.
Just my two cents.
作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-24 09:53 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+ramen+於+15-2-24+09:36+編輯+
原帖由 ramen 於 15-02-24 發表
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作者: hero_hero 時間: 15-2-24 11:01 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+ramen+於+15-2-24+09:36+編輯+
原帖由 ramen 於 15-02-24 發表
本帖最後由 ramen 於 15-2-24 09:36 編輯
So why don't you consider Indian as international? Also I feel that you are being very prejudice to Indians. Those Indian kids actually possess great English language skills.
As a current KJS parent I can tell you that the students come from a large range of different nationalities and can definitely be considered international.
作者: hero_hero 時間: 15-2-24 11:03 標題: 回覆：ramen 的帖子
The definition of international should be any other nationality besides local which is Hong Kong Chinese.
So why don't you consider Indian as international? Also I feel that you are being very prejudice to Indians. Those Indian kids actually possess great English language skills.
As a current KJS parent I can tell you that the students come from a large range of different nationalities and can definitely be considered international.
作者: ramen 時間: 15-2-24 11:28
本帖最後由 ramen 於 15-2-24 11:40 編輯
hero_hero 發表於 15-2-24 11:03
The definition of international should be any other nationality besides local which is Hong Kong Chi ...
I see you and I have different views on the definition of "international", so not intended to start this type of endless debates. But one thing I need to clarify, I am not prejudice to Indians. If a school has a large proportion / majority of an ethnic group, e.g. Korean, Japanese, American, Australian, etc., I still don't think that would make it very "international". In addition, the English language skills of the students is not the only factor contributing to whether a school is "international" or not. Of course, these are just just my opinion and not necessarily others have to agree to that (so no debates is necessary here). It just happened that this thread talked about KJS and RC and there are quite many Indians in KJS and that started the discussion.
作者: shin08 時間: 15-2-24 12:41 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+ramen+於+15-2-24+09:36+編輯+
原帖由 ramen 於 15-02-24 發表
本帖最後由 ramen 於 15-2-24 09:36 編輯
Firstly, regarding the email, I think approximately 50% mentioned is far behind from the 66% that u concluded!
Secondly, my kid's class is with less than 10 Indian students (with class size 30), your statement "Least case is 10-12 nos...." is not correct.
I am going to end this discussion/conversation, cause it is meaningless to debate this topic. Parents who interested in kjs can arrange a school tour to know more about this.
作者: nintendo 時間: 15-2-24 12:53 標題: 回覆：KJS or RC? need to make a decision soon
Why so concerned with admitting there are lots of Indians at kjs? My kids are with sjs/stc. I have no problems with admitting that are a lot of Chinese students at our school. It is the quality of students that matters.
There is no need to be too concerned with the student mix. Even though there are lots of Indians or Chinese, and they probably do speak Indian and chinese, they still speak good English. We should treasure the fact that a lot of ESF students are talented in language, and can still keep up with their home language, while being truly fluent English speakers.
Please stop being so hostile.
作者: ramen 時間: 15-2-24 14:16
Great that this discussion is ended. But just for the record, please don't mis-quote me, I didn't say "2/3 of the students are Indians". I only wrote "2/3 of the class" which I referred to my niece's class, a Year-6 class of last year.
作者: EC2009 時間: 15-2-24 15:01 標題: 回覆：ramen 的帖子
Stop trying to back yourself up, u don't know what you are talking about now.
Anyway I agree with other parents that visits to the schools will give u a gd feel of whether it suits ure children n family.
作者: ramen 時間: 15-2-24 15:07
Oh...new member...I see I see...
作者: Lamk2 時間: 15-2-26 23:11 標題: 回覆：nintendo 的帖子
Good point and fair comment!
作者: Lamk2 時間: 15-2-26 23:22 標題: 回覆：Lamk2 的帖子
I mean good point and fair comment to Nintendo's last statement.
Guys/ ladies, both KJS and RC are good schools. I just went to KJS for my girl interview, to be honest many Indians which surprised me a bit. And RC, yes a lot of Chinese too as my elder one is studying in RC. Student mix is important, but both school teach their students to respect ppl from different countries. So what, Indian, Chinese, Aussie, American.... Look at the quality of the schools and students, Should it be more important?
By the way, I just confirmed the offer from RC and gave up KJS. Tough decision as I like both schools. But both of my girls love RC.
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