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作者: fanapril    時間: 15-2-7 01:06     標題: Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

My daughter got an offer from one of these two schools, but will very likely to receive the offer from the other one as well. Really appreciated your insights about which one to choose. We are very focused on her Chinese foundation and cultural education (ISF seems better), as well as academics (SIS seems better). Thanks a lot!




作者: naughtybj    時間: 15-2-7 03:48     標題: 引用:My+daughter+got+an+offer+from+one+of+the

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作者: wingszew    時間: 15-2-7 09:27     標題: 回覆:naughtybj 的帖子

I will choose SIS too




作者: fanapril    時間: 15-2-7 09:42     標題: 回覆:Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

Thank you. Why choose SIS over ISF? Because more established and stronger reputation?




作者: bubuG    時間: 15-2-7 10:42     標題: 回覆:Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

I have an impression that ISF is 勁⋯⋯why SIS?!?!?!




作者: picture    時間: 15-2-7 10:51     標題: 回覆:Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

SIS.




作者: naughtybj    時間: 15-2-7 11:25     標題: 引用:Thank+you.+Why+choose+SIS+over+ISF?+Beca

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作者: wingszew    時間: 15-2-7 13:06     標題: 回覆:naughtybj 的帖子

Just prefer school that are more subtle! I believe both are really good school




作者: maradona    時間: 15-2-7 13:40     標題: 回覆:Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

Both are good, but I prefer ISF for traditional Chinese




作者: wywy0b0j    時間: 15-2-9 11:15

ISF teaches more traditional Chinese value, and Chinese culture. SIS teaches Singapore culture/value/history.
作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-9 13:12     標題: 引用:ISF+teaches+more+traditional+Chinese+val

原帖由 wywy0b0j 於 15-02-09 發表
ISF teaches more traditional Chinese value, and Chinese culture. SIS teaches Singapore culture/value ...
Good point.




作者: 123kachi    時間: 15-2-10 01:14

Chinese Humanities (i.e. Chinese History) is a compulsory subject in ISF from Grade 6 to Grade 10. It covers all dynasties and modern China.
作者: licpd    時間: 15-2-10 04:06

I've heard parents switching from other IS to ISF complain academic at ISF is very demanding! This is the current situation i heard.
作者: 964000    時間: 15-2-10 07:47     標題: 回覆:Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

But how is the English level of ISF? Do they reach native level ?




作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-10 11:45     標題: 引用:But+how+is+the+English+level+of+ISF?+Do+

原帖由 964000 於 15-02-10 發表
But how is the English level of ISF? Do they reach native level ?
At the end, they do English A. Does it matter if they reach native?




作者: fatcni    時間: 15-2-10 14:25

ISF Chinese syllabus is much tougher than local school so u may expect life in ISF is not easy. My friend daughter is studying there (primary) and lots of homework already.
Since it is my turn to find a primary school for my child, I hv investigated several IS like Cis, ICS, YCIS, HKIS... And ISF(private local school), is the one offer the most Chinese among all. I even think about the necessity for my child to learn so much Chinese. Anyways, it's a gd school n it is quite target oriented.
作者: caa    時間: 15-2-10 14:43

fatcni 發表於 15-2-10 14:25
ISF Chinese syllabus is much tougher than local school so u may expect life in ISF is not easy. My f ...
What is meant by "target oriented"?
作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-10 17:41     標題: 引用:Quote:fatcni+發表於+15-2-10+14:25+ISF+Ch

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What is meant by "target oriented"?
=Result oriented?




作者: caa    時間: 15-2-10 17:54

shadeslayer 發表於 15-2-10 17:41
=Result oriented?
Result oriented = 求分數 -》谷?
作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-10 18:32     標題: 引用:Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+15-2-10+17:41+=

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Result oriented = 求分數 -》谷?
Who isn't result oriented. We all want results. The question is "How" to get results.




作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-10 18:38

點評


poonseelai  well, some parents do care whe   發表於 半小時前

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ISF primary start with 30% English P1 to 70% English when they finish primary. Achieving native standard is really difficult just by looking at this proportion of time.
作者: type409    時間: 15-2-10 19:01

There is no point to discuss whether ISF students can speak native English. We are supposing to "compare" SIS and ISF here.
ISF students if not native speak with so called "international accent". But I'm quite sure SIS speak Singaporean accent as what I have heard in the Starbucks at One Island South. I have afternoon tea there once to twice a week.

作者: fatcni    時間: 15-2-10 21:06

Very 谷。
It is my thinking after visiting the school for more than 3 times, talking to current students, and went there for interview three times.
This school is new, position itself as local private school taking IB just less than 5 years ago. IB scores improved a lot to average 39.x . How to get such high average scores in SYC a short time?!
Talked to current students. They not really like the way to study chinese (but I believe there are no other way but memorising things). I am not criticising the school but it is just the way school does.
There are 20 graduates took IB but I years later there would be 180 students moving up. Can the school still hit the record?!
ISF is positioning itself as strong in chinese, and taking IB. It is sth IS can't offer. I heard that students need to take extra English course outside in order to chase up the english standard (lower primary). If Chinese is your concern, ISF may be gd for u. But I doubt paying such high school fee but study like a local school. Sorry, maybe I am mistaken.
作者: HKTHK    時間: 15-2-10 21:27

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I don't see how ISF could repeat the performance of 39.2. It is both a matter of increasing class size and also being realistic. HK has many high performing schools and even amongst this group, this is too good a result to be sustainable. I personally would much prefer a school with a lower score but be more well rounded. Management is spending a lot of time and resources on ECA and only time will tell whether those can develop and mature over time.
PS  Tutoring to improve English in lower primary is stupid. Parents should learn more about bilingual immersion and how it works

作者: 112200    時間: 15-2-13 22:58     標題: 回覆:type409 的帖子

I am afraid those are Singaporean you met in the coffee shop. To me I know several hk kids and teenager study in sis. Their english is just normal native but they can speak in singlish when joke w me. They said even Singaporean classmate will joke w them like that . Btw their pth is quite good in average and they are quite willing and adopt to the way of teaching. Their learning atmosphere is quite good and positive.  Aalthough teachers didn't apply any pressure  , they do try their best to be top ranked. They said all classmates do the same , it's a norm to make themselves do better . That all I can share.




作者: HIHinsurance    時間: 15-2-14 16:26

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這是ISF 2013年IB 成績分佈

多學生選MATHS STUDIES 與英文LANG B  


而SIS  , 則不能選英文LANG B


要考超深的英文卷

另外數學不能選淺好多的STUDIES

只能選SL /HL MATHS






SIS 英文算不錯 , 不少人IB 英文 6分

上年來左個英國IB 改卷老師, 教得不錯

SIS  同學之間, 溝通講英文, 無新加坡口音的!!!

同學之間講英文的國際學校已無多少間, 要珍惜

壓力是大, 老師嚴。

你讀讀下, 你會見住同學一個又一個跳去德瑞

新加坡國際學校考的是IGCSE CIE 

一般比較難

不是考DOUBLE AWARDS SCIENCE

考TRIPLE AWARDS(科學 要三選二或三 ), 有附加數

所以教的, 考的, 都比較深, 這方面要留意

一般考得好的SIS 學生

會跳去德瑞, 再轉去英國名校, 或李寶椿

上屇year 13 多人入醫學院 SIS





作者: 964000    時間: 15-2-14 16:42     標題: 引用:+本帖最後由+HIHinsurance+於+15-2-14+16:3

原帖由 HIHinsurance 於 15-02-14 發表
本帖最後由 HIHinsurance 於 15-2-14 16:40 編輯
SIS係IS中讀書壓力大同谷的,要有心理準備,我朋友個仔中學晚晚讀到十二點一點先瞓。




作者: HIHinsurance    時間: 15-2-14 17:01

964000 發表於 15-2-14 16:42
SIS係IS中讀書壓力大同谷的,要有心理準備,我朋友個仔中學晚晚讀到十二點一點先瞓。



  ...
佢地細人一年 讀IB









CASCO 系列出的書, 做 maths TEXTBOOKS , 用到year 11

本書好深,  似我們以前香港會考程度


教到咁難, 想早訓都不行





作者: Jane1983    時間: 15-2-14 18:34

本帖最後由 Jane1983 於 15-2-14 18:37 編輯

SIS的小朋友,認識好多香港家庭的,都說很好的英語。口音這問題,不同學術能力和操行難考究,一開口就知龍與鳳,毋需爭拗。
香港家長,無可能會接受非正統英語,佢咁難考,又吾平,仍然咁多人報,有其原因。

作者: NoahArk    時間: 15-2-14 18:51     標題: 回覆:Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

I have no connection with either SIS or ISF but have worked in SG for some years. I will never let my kids go through Singaporean education as there is a formula for ensuring that the kids are totally unaware of (or don't care) how boring they are. Hopelessly uninspiring. And the Singaporean parents I know actually believe that they are more "advanced" in prescribing textbooks that are one or two years ahead. I will never let my kids mingle with kids of such parents. I pledge my words. Totalitarianism, that's, that's all.




作者: ikerberg    時間: 15-2-14 19:36

HIHinsurance 發表於 15-2-14 16:26
這是ISF 2013年IB 成績分佈

多學生選MATHS STUDIES 與英文LANG B  
Thank you very much for your information!

Very useful!


作者: 964000    時間: 15-2-14 23:29     標題: 引用:I+have+no+connection+with+either+SIS+or+

原帖由 NoahArk 於 15-02-14 發表
I have no connection with either SIS or ISF but have worked in SG for some years. I will never let m ...
SG is well known to be more 谷 than HK




作者: cilla_pp    時間: 15-2-14 23:45     標題: 回覆:NoahArk 的帖子

When you say Singaporean education, do you mean local schools only or international schools in SG as well?




作者: 123kachi    時間: 15-2-15 00:38

Result of ISF 2014 is much better than 2013. Only small number of students took English B and Math Studies (3 out of 20) in 2014.



作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-15 01:02     標題: 引用:When+you+say+Singaporean+education,+do+y

原帖由 cilla_pp 於 15-02-14 發表
When you say Singaporean education, do you mean local schools only or international schools in SG as ...
Singaporean cannot go to international schools in SGP.




作者: minirat    時間: 15-2-21 08:19     標題: 引用:I+have+no+connection+with+either+SIS+or+

本帖最後由 minirat 於 15-2-21 12:37 編輯
原帖由 NoahArk 於 15-02-14 發表
I have no connection with either SIS or ISF but have worked in SG for some years. I will never let m ...

I am from Singapore.  It is true that education in Singapore local schools are getting very tense with rigorous curriculum, but I am not sure whether this ties in with SIS in HK.




作者: Jane1983    時間: 15-2-21 10:55

同新加坡點比吾敢講,但同幾間local名小比,真係輕鬆到不得了,至少初小係。平常好多時無功課,有亦一樣起,两樣止。長假亦無特别多功課,只是提小朋友要多看書。

測驗比較多,叫bite sized,算係check住小朋友學習進度。

作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-21 16:35     標題: 引用:+本帖最後由+minirat+於+15-2-21+12:37+編

原帖由 minirat 於 15-02-21 發表
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SIS has funding from the Singapore Government and it makes sense that one of its missions is to provide education to Singapore nationals in HK who will have to go back to Singapore at some point. The curriculum and style cannot be million miles apart.




作者: himmamme    時間: 15-2-21 17:23

Jane1983 發表於 15-2-21 10:55
同新加坡點比吾敢講,但同幾間local名小比,真係輕鬆到不得了,至少初小係。平常好多時無功課,有亦一樣起 ...
学生的reading habit很好,校風淳樸,学生謙恭有礼。我朋友說中文大致比本地小學低一年左右,唔知是不是呢?
作者: friendlyguy    時間: 15-2-21 18:12

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Style? I don’t know. But at least there is no streaming system in P4, no need to take Malay, Tamil or a Non-Tamil Indian Language, no Primary school leaving examination (PSLE) in P6, and no Gifted Education Programme in SIS.

Curriculum? I guess they are similar from PY to S2. But can I ask what is the distance between

1). Singapore-Cambridge GCE-O level, and the IGCSE examinations and the International Certificate of Education (ICE) developed by the University of Cambridge International Examinations (CIE).

2. AL level and IB


作者: Jane1983    時間: 15-2-21 23:12

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拼音書用國內書,其餘是校本課程,書的內容和local小一比較,應該係差不多,但抄寫、做練習和默書,比local相對少好多。學校的中文課程幾有心思,每天都有連堂,除課本外,加上雜誌和兒童版古著教學,有趣味性,每週亦帶好幾本圖書回家看。
小朋友普通話的聽和講能力,係勝過本地小一生不少,寫就應該無咁好,因為操得少d,每個單元就係重要詞語寫4次,無抄寫。同學間中文勁的吾少,但估計差d的亦有。


作者: kfy    時間: 15-2-22 00:27

HKTHK 發表於 15-2-10 21:27
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I don't see how ISF could repeat the performance of 39.2. It is both a matter of ...

I agree with you that the 39.2 average score is very likely unsustainable. To be honest the school average score is just a benchmark or reference. I would be more interested in my kid's score, only. I know a lot of smart kids in ISF and relatively my kid is doing fine. If she is going to get a 39 score in IB, I will be overjoyed. So, be realistic.

作者: fatcni    時間: 15-2-22 08:31

我個friend嘅女係ISF 讀(小二or小三),功課係作文。我朋友一位補習老師都冇請,因佢想試下若唔補習,個女追唔追得上。佢都話課程唔淺,功課內老師會刻意加一、兩題極深的比學生做,結果冇個學生識做,仲比家長們complain.結果,老師只比難題比班內比較叻嘅學生做。我個朋友個女而家成績一般,所以各位家長,入到去讀係入場卷,冇人寫包單小朋友一定讀得好。而我朋友嘅家傭每次提起呢間學校的功課,都搖晒頭,話好多(但我估冇local school咁多),因我朋友從來都不會陪個女做功課,所以佢話功課還可以,但個工人就見個小朋友做得辛苦。
作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-22 09:05     標題: 引用:+本帖最後由+friendlyguy+於+15-2-21+18:13

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At senior years it does not matter whether A level or IB because there is no need to talk about transitioning back to Singapore pre university schools. But for lower years the style and curriculum have to be close enough to enable a reasonable transition back to main stream schools back in Singapore.  Make sense?




作者: friendlyguy    時間: 15-2-22 12:50     標題: 回覆:shadeslayer 的帖子

yes, make sense for curriculum, but style...




作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-22 12:58

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入到去讀係入場卷,冇人寫包單小朋友一定讀得好

xxxxxxx


呢句話是全球通用,去到oxbrige, 哈佛,史丹福,都啱用。

作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-22 12:59

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由工人去評論孩子是否辛苦?父母去左邊處?
作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-22 13:01

如果父母唔知去左邊處,孩子讀得一般,甚至是很差,都是很正常的結果吧。
作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-22 13:30

friendlyguy 發表於 15-2-22 12:50
yes, make sense for curriculum, but style...
Yes Style as well...   Style is the result of education philosophies.  Think of the Asian education style compared to the Western.  Is it easy to transition from the Western discovery approach to the Asian practice approach?  

Anyway, I have no insider information, just what makes sense to me.

作者: friendlyguy    時間: 15-2-22 13:37     標題: 回覆:shadeslayer 的帖子

is there only two education aproach?
can it be a hybrid?
can the singapore education in hong kong evolve due to difference enviroment?




作者: minirat    時間: 15-2-22 13:48     標題: 引用:Quote:friendlyguy+發表於+15-2-22+12:50+y

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原帖由 shadeslayer 於 15-02-22 發表
Yes Style as well...   Style is the result of education philosophies.  Think of the Asian education  ...

I share your sentiments that the basic style and concept cannot be too big a difference, especially with the fact the Singapore Ministry of Education has a part to play in the function of this school.  This is my understanding of our Singapore government.  They will provide what they feel is the best for our people.  My personal opinion though.




作者: friendlyguy    時間: 15-2-22 15:40

Hi Minirat,

I believe you are a Singaporean. Is your kid studying in SIS? If so, please give us more insight on whether SISHK is just a Singapore school in Hong Kong with no difference from its counterparts in Singapore.

Singapore’s style of education has always been criticized for being too specialized, rigid, elitist and uncreative. Some say that the pressure on Singapore students is even higher than those in Hong Kong. I am a Hong Konger with my only kid studying in SISHK since PY1. He is now in S1. I can only say that my son’s education life is happy throughout, a lot more relax than his friends who studying in local school (even more relax than my primary school life). With my son’s character, sometimes I doubt that whether he can survive in Hong Kong local school!

I think if SISHK is just another Singapore school in Hong Kong, then it is unfair that Singapore education attract so much criticism.

friendlyguy

作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-22 17:56     標題: 引用:is+there+only+two+education+aproach? can

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原帖由 friendlyguy 於 15-02-22 發表
is there only two education aproach?
can it be a hybrid?
can the singapore education in hong kong ev ...

Friendly guy,

Yes it can evolve but at the end cannot deviate too much as they have to deal with the issue of Singaporeans transitioning back to Singapore after SISHK.  I think the "evolution" should be similar to FIS where they have a French stream and international stream, or GSIS where there is a German stream and international stream, or JIS where there is a Japanese stream and international stream, or KIS with a Korean stream and international stream, etc.
It is not meant to be a criticism of Singapore education, just a logical conclusion when you put the facts together.





作者: minirat    時間: 15-2-22 18:47     標題: 引用:Hi+Minirat,I+believe+you+are+a+Singapore

原帖由 friendlyguy 於 15-02-22 發表
Hi Minirat,

I believe you are a Singaporean. Is your kid studying in SIS? If so, please give us mor ...
Hi, I am a Singaporean but my boy has yet to study in SIS.  He just had his interview for this year's admission.  So I am not in a good position to comment.  I have spoken to few existing SIS parents, whose kids are studying at different levels of this school.  Apparently I received completely different opinions of this school, pretty extreme.  I am curious to check it out myself in time to come.




作者: friendlyguy    時間: 15-2-22 19:24     標題: 回覆:minirat 的帖子

Just curious to know what is your comment, as a singaporean, about a through train school to pre-u level with singapore curriculum from py1 to s2, and native language subject teacher without streaming, no psle etc.




作者: kfy    時間: 15-2-23 08:42

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fatcni 發表於 15-2-22 08:31
我個friend嘅女係ISF 讀(小二or小三),功課係作文。我朋友一位補習老師都冇請,因佢想試下若唔補習,個女 ...

我孩子在 ISF Grade 3,已是第四年了。
從來也沒有補習。我認為 ISF小學生補習不是主流(除了外藉小孩請中文家教),也看不到有任何需要。
我孩子的成績中游,功課他自己做,唔識當然可以問我。Assessment 和聽寫前我會提他認真溫書但不會幫他溫,考完回來我才陪他覆卷,看看他有什麼地方不掌握。要心裡有個底。怎可能樣樣靠家傭。


我自己是讀本地學校,經歷過考試制度,我會認同考試策略和溫書方法都是非常重要。我從未上補習班,中學時已開始幫人補習找外快,但事實是幫人補習的學生,成績會比去上補習班的學生好得多。操卷是試前必須,我是本地人,英文唔 native,但不停做 past papers 後一樣可以 GMAT 考到 7xx 分。Learning to learn, learning attitude and the desire to get good results 。。。
如果真係由細補習補到入 oxbridge,我會信 Annie 那一句,入得到都未必讀得好。



作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-23 09:54

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唔知點講好,自己戴住有色眼鏡觀察了SIS十幾年,學生其實完全無問題,除了中文稍好,數學又稍好,其他方面,跟其他國際學校無分別。再要批評,就肯定是自己唔抵得人家'魚與熊掌"兼得,過不到自己的關,慌死人家活得比我好。
會唔會後悔唔送孩子去SIS?唔會!因為接受不了用星加坡人角度學習中國文化,是自己的價值觀問題,跟學校素質和教育方針無關。

作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-23 10:19

以上對SiS的意見,基本上ISF也合用。

兩者擇其一,不需考慮支出,會選ISF,既然擺明對中文學習有抱負,梗系要學習而得其法,無謂接受半桶水之后又再半桶水,最后所剩無幾了。

至於科英文,水平是因人而異,SIS英文好的很多,認識ISF高中的孩子不多,不敢妄加意見,但IB平均分達到39, 英文無一定水平,好難做到。

除非個個去修IB 的HL 是Maths, Physics, Mandarin B, 避開英文科,如果是事實,佢地D數理又超班得離奇了,不合邏輯。
作者: Jane1983    時間: 15-2-23 17:26

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見你話明有色眼鏡,仲點講好
學校so far真係best of both worlds,我和學校的關係和感情,係建基於它栽培小女,日日為佢增值。我們芸芸眾生爭幾個位,考卷個幾鐘,放棄好多間好學校入讀的。如果它耽誤我小朋友,我第一時間閃人,得閒係度分享。

佢對中文的學習、中國的了解,其實係保持少少距離,比較理性,吾係愛我中華,錦繡河山果種,對我來說,其實恰當。

作者: minirat    時間: 15-2-23 17:30     標題: 引用:Just+curious+to+know+what+is+your+commen

原帖由 friendlyguy 於 15-02-22 發表
Just curious to know what is your comment, as a singaporean, about a through train school to pre-u l ...
Apparently one thing I like about SIS is the through train arrangement.  I never believe in elitism of kids at such young age.  PSLE is likewise meaningless to me as well.




作者: FattyDaddy    時間: 15-2-23 17:53

本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-2-23 17:56 編輯
annie40 發表於 15-2-23 09:54
接受不了用星加坡人角度學習中國文化 ...

But isn't this true for all international schools? Even those who are reputed to teach Chinese well (and SIS is probably one of the best in this respect), they teach the Chinese language but not much Chinese culture, at least not to the extent of identifying with it.

If one wants to learn how to be Chinese rather than just how to speak Chinese, then only local schools could meet that order, may be even limited to a particular category of local schools.


作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-23 18:11

Local school 的中文, 大部分麻麻地, 有一定识字量, 文化根基就略次. 可以流利书写而已.

唔信? 睇到我呢个普通中学生的文笔, 就知道何谓'眼冤'了.

时间花得多而读得如此, 应该打手板!!!!
作者: FattyDaddy    時間: 15-2-23 18:24

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 18:11
Local school 的中文, 大部分麻麻地, 有一定识字量, 文化根基就略次. 可以流利书写而已. ...
I wasn't talking about the level of Chinese language, but identifying with the Chinese culture and "being Chinese". No international school will teach that, because they have to cater to children who are genuinely international.

作者: shadeslayer    時間: 15-2-23 20:13     標題: 引用:+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+15-2-23+17:56+

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 15-02-23 發表
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-2-23 17:56 編輯
Which local schools teach students to "be" Chinese?  Patriotic schools?  

By what means?  

If local schools have been very successful, there would not be so much discussions right now on HK schools and education system being responsible for nurturing HK kids without a sense of patriotism towards China.




作者: NoahArk    時間: 15-2-23 20:42     標題: 回覆:Singapore international school (SIS) vs ISF Academy

These discussions get me think: global - Chinese = more international; global + Chinese = less international? If ones have to delete Chinese to make room for other cultures, 好打有限.




作者: FattyDaddy    時間: 15-2-23 20:58

本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 15-2-24 02:14 編輯
shadeslayer 發表於 15-2-23 20:13
Which local schools teach students to "be" Chinese?  Patriotic schools?   

You said it. Soon it will not be just the traditional patriotic schools, but any local school adopting patriotic education. Even those which don't, there are still subtle differences between them and international schools, e.g.:-

International School: The Chinese eat mooncakes at Mid-Autumn Festival and their ancestors have been doing it for centuries.

Local School: We Chinese eat mooncakes at Mid-Autumn Festival and our ancestors have been doing it for centuries.

In essence, International schools should adopt a more ethnic neutral stance while local schools do not need to have such considerations.

Implementing patriotic education is one thing, whether that is successful is another discussion altogether.

作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-23 21:35

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死嘞,講講下離題添。自己的閱讀能力差,只能盡量說出自己的想法,答不上題,還望不嫌其煩,再加指正。
國際學校教孩子做international students, 同時尊重孩子的roots,學校沒有大力推動中國文化,亦沒有淡化孩子原屬國家的根源。其中孩子對自己的華人身份有多大認同,家庭教育比學校力量更宏大。

認識的竹昇仔,竹昇女,當中十分淳樸的那類,雖然唔識中文,卻對自己民族有特殊感情和偏愛,這些感情肯定不是從學校學回來的,或是政府教回來的,而是簡單的家庭薰陶,文風氣貌,保育得當而傳留的。自然現象是竹昇對竹昇的婚姻比例極高,如果不是大家十分對口,很有feel,那麼international 異族婚姻比重率應該更高才對啊!

不肯定其他孩子的感覺,自己的女女的英文肯定比中文好,往外跑半年,偶爾聽到廣東話,便十分窩心,點解甘開心?解釋不了吧!

無論念國際學校,本地學校,海外學習和生活,或是跑江湖,喜歡自己的根源,喜歡自己民族(也可以喜歡很多其他民族),相對應該更喜歡自己,生命充滿愛和熱情,應該只有更大益處。





作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-23 21:50

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可唔可以揀:
好鬼global mind , 又加上好鬼Chinese 身份,等於= 好鬼international咁吃得開呢?

行走江湖,砌得又打得都好噃?

作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-23 22:11

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Fattydaddy,
真系唔知IS點樣教食月餅,亦唔記得LS老師點同學生講喎!

剩系記得在女兒歳多開始已經講緊「嫦娥奔月」,「后𦐒射日」,「吳剛伐木」,順便介紹下旁邊隻純純可愛白兔仔。又講下蒙古人侵佔中國,奴役漢人,於是漢人合力反抗,用月餅掩飾,內蔵紙條,約定日期反元復漢,(其實無根據,勝在夠戲劇化,自己唔多記得的,就加盬加醋搭夠),跟住教女寫幾個字,塞張紙入月餅內,又攞幾支棍系屋企走呢走去扮打仗,真系幾好玩㗎,新手媽咪可以試試。

希望將來女女識得同佢果女玩,多好啊!

作者: FattyDaddy    時間: 15-2-23 22:43

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 21:35
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死嘞,講講下離題添。自己的閱讀能力差,只能盡量說出自己的想法,答不上題,還望 ...
Yep, straying off topic now. I'll try to steer it back towards SIS.

When I say international schools should adopt an ethnic neutral stance, I mean the school should not emphasize on any one ethnicity, especially for a school like SIS. If they say "We Chinese blah blah blah", how are the Malay and Indian and Tamil Singaporeans going to feel? Also, not emphasizing is not asking any student to deny their roots, I have not heard of any international school doing that.

As for ethnic Chinese 竹昇 raised in foreign countries marrying each other, the truth is it depends on gender and skin colour, while culture tend to be the lesser factor. Having lived in UK for over a decade, what I observed were as follows, and I believe the situation is similar in all western countries where Caucasians are predominant:-

Chinese Men - Chinese Women (common)
Caucasian Men - Chinese Women (just as common)
Chinese Men - Caucasian Women (not so common)
Chinese Men or Women - Brown skinned Men or Women (rare)
Chinese Men or Women - Black skinned Men or Women (very rare)

(By "Chinese" I mean the ethnic Chinese 竹昇 raised there)

The reasons behind the above phenomenon are complex and definitely way off topic. Reality is, if you have a daughter living and studying in a western country, you better be mentally prepared for the possibility of having Eurasian grandchildren, but you could be reasonably relaxed if you are worried about having brown or black descendants :)


作者: FattyDaddy    時間: 15-2-23 22:44

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 22:11
真系唔知IS點樣教食月餅,亦唔記得LS老師點同學生講喎!
That was just an example to illustrate the subtle difference between saying "The Chinese ..." and "We Chinese ...", not meant to be taken literally :)

作者: NoahArk    時間: 15-2-23 23:00     標題: 引用:回覆+NoahArk+的帖子 可唔可以揀:好鬼glob

原帖由 annie40 於 15-02-23 發表
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可唔可以揀:
Love your comment.




作者: annie40    時間: 15-2-23 23:49

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大家是愈講投契了。
其實好想知道Amercian Intl, HKIS 有無USA blah, blah blah, kellette有無UK blah blah,  Japan intl 有無Japan blah blah blah, 會唔會已經周時Blah blah blah 左,學生習慣了無感覺,所以唔學得好嘈。Singapore intl 有星加坡blah blah blah 系正常,我自己驚住自己正義上身聽唔慣,所以送阿女去其他較多元文化的學校,果度都有各類blah blah blah, 唯有笑下就算吧!人無十全十美,學校都系掛?

SIS系就系大聲左D,eeeeee....ONG.....卻見香港學生仿佛有音響過濾系統,未見受大星洲文化影響喎!因此戴住有色眼鏡的我,也要良心發現,講番句公道話。(前幾年不是這般的想法,眼見大家孩子已經長大,個個有紋路,無得彈了)。

女兒的馬拉muslim 老友交了Russian Christian男友,女兒仍working hard中,黑白黃紅青都無 問題,氹得我果女開心就得嘞。

作者: FattyDaddy    時間: 15-2-24 01:05

annie40 發表於 15-2-23 23:49
其實好想知道Amercian Intl, HKIS 有無USA blah, blah blah, kellette有無UK blah blah,  Japan intl 有無Japan blah blah blah
For the country specific international schools, one could expect a bit of national education of that country thrown in, but for non-country specific ones like ESF or commercial ones like Harrow International, the emphasis is definitely on internationalism rather than nationalism of any one ethnicity or country.






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