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標題: 有冇準備遲d番外國定居嘅家長?小朋友會讀IS定local? [打印本頁]

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-5 14:01 標題: 有冇準備遲d番外國定居嘅家長?小朋友會讀IS定local?

我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超12月尾超細b,已有沙田一線津校自行offer,另外ESF SJS應該都會有offer,大家覺得點揀?
之前我覺得讀local可以學好中文之後去澳州都已有足夠中文程度第日做野會好有用,但係又怕之後成日都會做功課測驗考試冇哂學習興趣,
讀IS係會舒服好多但係之後怕阿仔會未嘗試過辛苦唔夠competitive

請大家俾d意見,thanks

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-5 14:19 標題: 引用：我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超1

原帖由 pc430 於 15-02-05 發表
我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超12月尾超細b,已有沙田一線津校自行offer,另外ESF SJS應該都會有of ...

讀IS係會舒服好多但係之後怕阿仔會未嘗試過辛苦唔夠competitive

Xxxxx

你即係話英國，美國，德國，澳洲的教育唔夠 competitive?

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-5 14:34

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我講嘅係個人嘅生活經驗如果一直係舒服relax開,承受之後嘅壓力heavy workload嘅能力會比受開長期訓練嘅人低所以出外留學嘅香港學生通常都覺得外國讀書舒服d

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-5 14:53 標題: 引用：回覆+shadeslayer+的帖子我講嘅係個人嘅

原帖由 pc430 於 15-02-05 發表
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我講嘅係個人嘅生活經驗如果一直係舒服relax開,承受之後嘅壓力heavy workload嘅 ...

英國，美國，德國，澳洲的教育也比香港 relax舒服，你擔心英國，美國，德國，澳洲人的 under heavy workload 能力弱？

上海學生花遠多於香港的時間做功課，他們更能乘擔壓力？

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-5 15:02

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you're saying the truth, and that's what I observed and experienced when I work with people from western and mainland people.
We cannot deny that mainland people graduated from famous china universities are having very good working attitude and very competitive. They can work so hard to achieve what they are aiming for, that's why they can get an offer and graduated from the university in mainland.

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-5 15:04

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btw, I'm asking for comments and advice here. not asking for more questions.

作者: licpd 時間: 15-2-5 15:21

It seems you already know the pros and cons of IS and LS. I would focus more on how to supplement the child's learning whichever path you take.
But one thing is for sure, for IS chinese you need to consider supplementing it heavily outside school if you want to achieve good standard.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-5 20:07

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 15-2-5 20:11 編輯

pc430 發表於 15-2-5 15:04
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btw, I'm asking for comments and advice here. not asking for more questions ...

BTW, those were my comments. They made you think.
Applying great pressure at a young age like kindergarten up is not training for competitiveness, it is torture or child abuse. Pressure needs to be applied the right amount at the right time. HK has so many children having to go to tuition since kindergarten. Super difficult curriculum in primary school and burn out the children before secondary school.

If simply applying pressure is the answer to education and being competitive, HK, China and India would not have so many students taking their own lives every year.

If you think Westeners are all lazy, you probably have not worked with many of them before.

You have conflicting objectives since the first post. You don't want the busy schedule of local school but you want the study to be less relax to train competitiveness. Do you want a busy schedule or not? Only you can make your mind up.

Strongly suggest you watch the movies " I not stupid" and "the three idiots"

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-5 22:43 標題: 引用：我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超1

原帖由 pc430 於 15-02-05 發表
我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超12月尾超細b,已有沙田一線津校自行offer,另外ESF SJS應該都會有of ...

Why do you need so much Chinese if you plan to live in Australia permanently? I'd choose ESF definitely. The worrying thing about studying in local primary school is that the child will get used to rote learning and can't train up higher order thinking skills which are essential later in life.

作者: vivian-chy 時間: 15-2-5 23:23

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魚與熊掌，睇你覺得critical thinking, learning interest n spirtual development緊要，抑或學習中文緊要。我選擇咗is, 因我認為前者無得'教'，要配合家庭、老師、學校、環境多方面啟發。再者，而家local school學生嘅中文亦唔見得特別標青，試睇下好多5、6年級嘅作文，可能你會有唔同睇法。為功課每天勞氣，為分數高低而精神緊張，為小朋友是否達標而不斷追趕？我寧願自己教中文，就孩子學習嘅進度同興趣慢慢嚟，人生流流長，無必要一時三刻學識所有嘢。
其實你喺is forum問呢個問題，相信答案都係一致. Good luck.

作者: pandaforever 時間: 15-2-6 06:52 標題: 引用：我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超1

原帖由 pc430 於 15-02-05 發表
我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超12月尾超細b,已有沙田一線津校自行offer,另外ESF SJS應該都會有of ...

如果esf 比到offer我會揀佢。LS 係spoon feed 學生，當你比人spoon feed後，你好難適應take initiative嘅學習環境。

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-2-6 07:48

本帖最後由 Jane1983 於 15-2-6 07:50 編輯

IS的好處，上面的家長已經講得清楚，亦真係比local school優勝。而家有些名小的功課、默書和測考量，係需要一個好乖、好專注的小朋友，先可以在合理時間完成。扭吓、慢d、發吓吽斗，就日日做2、3個鐘。

但講到中文，讀完小學，中文叻的小朋友應該根底幾好。如果屋企培養到看書習慣，出國後保持聽講讀寫的機會（訂中文報紙、書、寫信給長輩...）小朋友真係有機會keep到functional的水平，亦眼見有成功例子。

作者: 兜兜要轉轉 時間: 15-2-6 10:00

same situation here, I'm planning to choose local school first and IS as a backup, same reason, Chinese study!

作者: 兜兜要轉轉 時間: 15-2-6 10:07

我自己本身係澳洲大，明白細個有同無讀過中文的分別，所以我會比阿仔打好中文基礎。

我覺得你無需擔心阿仔第日返澳洲會唔會唔慣，因爲一定會慣！相反中文學習同明白自己係香港人呢d，你係國際學校係唔會發生同學習到的。

作者: Jules_S 時間: 15-2-6 11:34 標題: 回覆：有冇準備遲d番外國定居嘅家長?小朋友會讀IS定local?

我覺得都要睇埋小朋友性格，適合讀local 或IS. 而有些local school 亦不完全是spoon-fed, 我亞仔讀直資學校，學生主要是local student, 但亦有不同國籍學生，對non-chinese speaking 學生有經驗，較有耐性，所以中文進歩得好快，功課亦唔多，亞仔讀得好開心。
我地選擇返來香港，就是希望佢多認識中文及本地香港。因係外國時，見到太多香港及中國小朋友學習中文的困難，中文唔易學,無語境，無動力，好難學到。長大後最叻都係識聽識講，好少識睇同寫。

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-6 17:09

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我係美國公司做左9年,我嘅role係對鬼多過對人,唔可以話western個個lazy,有好多都好抨搏好捱得,但比例一定唔會多過唐人,
我係澳州office番工,d人準時放工,週五4點就開酒飲了,weekend邊會覆email?你個樣係外國人又或者ABC可能用同一態度係香港做野冇問題,但你如果兩樣都唔係但working attitude咁 relax, 睇你幾時被炒

你講嗰兩套戲我睇過啦,自殺嘅問題同家長有否正確輔導同心理教育有好大因素,d小朋友從小順風順水,世界睇得咁少就會易鑽牛角尖,

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-6 17:11

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Thanks你嘅過來人經驗很有用

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-6 17:12

兜兜要轉轉發表於 15-2-6 10:00
same situation here, I'm planning to choose local school first and IS as a backup, same reason, Chin ...

give me 5

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-6 17:58 標題: 引用：回覆+shadeslayer+的帖子我係美國公司做

原帖由 pc430 於 15-02-06 發表
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我係美國公司做左9年,我嘅role係對鬼多過對人,唔可以話western個個lazy,有好多都 ...

You said you wanted to live in Australia permanently. If your child is raised there, likely he will follow the working norms there and enjoy work and life. Why bother the working life and people's work attitudes in Hk then? Do you think Australia has a poorer economy than Hk because its people are more relaxed?

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-2-6 18:34 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+pc430+於+15-02-06+發表回覆+

原帖由 hkparent 於 15-02-06 發表
You said you wanted to live in Australia permanently. If your child is raised there, likely he will ...

Ha ha 好同意！

鬼老無我地咁勤力，但比我地賺得多。中個人淨係識死做。不過，宜家既年青人都高叫 work life balance。

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-6 18:37

hkparent 發表於 15-2-6 17:58
You said you wanted to live in Australia permanently. If your child is raised there, likely he will ...

live in australia permanently is my selection but my kid. He can back to hk or other countries to work after graduating in Oz. Having more options always better no option, right?
Poorer economy is not only due to people's working attitude in the country and also many other factors. Working attitude somehow is one of the reason affecting the country's competitive anyway, that's the reason why HK and SG is having such a low unemployment rate while Oz, Europe and US are always above 7%!

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-2-6 18:39 標題: 回覆：DreamKid 的帖子

所以，不要以為本地畢業既年青人一定勤力。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-6 19:05 標題: 引用：回覆+shadeslayer+的帖子我係美國公司做

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我係美國公司做左9年,我嘅role係對鬼多過對人,唔可以話western個個lazy,有好多都 ...

How do you define competitiveness anyway?

The question is not applying pressure to children or not. The question is how and when. Sooner or later every single one of us have pressure in our adult life. Do you believe applying as much pressure as early as possible is the key to building competitiveness? This is what some of the local schools are doing. In fact many of the local schools are doing.

Why link training for withstanding hardship with education, by having a busy/difficult curriculum that kids cannot handle? Then call it hardship training?

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-6 19:08 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+hkparent+於+15-02-06+發表Yo

原帖由 DreamKid 於 15-02-06 發表
Ha ha 好同意！

鬼老無我地咁勤力，但比我地賺得多。中個人淨係識死做。不過，宜家既年青人都高叫 work l ...

Yes, more hardworking does not equal to more competitive in the workplace.

新界D牛夠勤力。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-6 19:12 標題: 引用：Quote:hkparent+發表於+15-2-6+17:58+You+s

原帖由 pc430 於 15-02-06 發表
live in australia permanently is my selection but my kid. He can back to hk or other countries to wo ...

The unemployment rate is irrelevant to the "is Chinese more hard working and therefore more competitive?" Question.

I am not sure why you think Aussie, Yankees, Brits, German etc are all having little or no options to work elsewhere. Don't we see them everywhere in HK, Singapore and China, etc and occupying nice jobs?

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-2-6 20:12 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+DreamKid+於+15-02-06+發表Ha

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 15-02-06 發表
Yes, more hardworking does not equal to more competitive in the workplace.

新界D牛夠勤力。

Yes, Steve Jobs' iPhone earned all our money

作者: vivian-chy 時間: 15-2-6 20:16

pc430 發表於 15-2-6 17:09
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我係美國公司做左9年,我嘅role係對鬼多過對人,唔可以話western個個lazy,有好多都 ...

"準時收工, 週五after office hour飲酒，weekend唔覆email"
有咩問題呢？影響唔到你，你有你賣命，我有我嘅life style. 我自己而家都係咁，亦相信公司唔會炒我。
其實你已經有決定，如果咁唔鍾意western style (Relax working attitude 隨時被炒), is 真係唔啱你... 尤其係esf.

作者: caa 時間: 15-2-6 20:21

pc430 發表於 15-2-6 18:37
live in australia permanently is my selection but my kid. He can back to hk or other countries to wo ...

But they have big houses while we have 劏房

作者: blc_mama 時間: 15-2-6 21:02 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+DreamKid+於+15-02-06+發表Ha

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 15-02-06 發表
Yes, more hardworking does not equal to more competitive in the workplace.

新界D牛夠勤力。

If 樓主's statement is correct, all Nobel prize winners should be Chinese/Asians. But the fact is...

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-2-6 21:49 標題: 引用：Quote:pc430+發表於+15-2-6+17:09+回覆+sha

原帖由 vivian-chy 於 15-02-06 發表
"準時收工, 週五after office hour飲酒，weekend唔覆email"
有咩問題呢？影響唔到你，你有你賣命，我有我嘅 ...

其實我覺得樓主 prefer LS, 只不過怕到時小朋友去到澳洲唔適應。樓主就 go for LS 吧！

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-6 21:57 標題: 回覆：有冇準備遲d番外國定居嘅家長?小朋友會讀IS定local?

但個班吾識中文，又懶，又冇競爭力的鬼佬，在香港都是都位高要職。native speaking English teacher, 在香港是本地英文老師人工的double

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-6 22:53 標題: 引用：Quote:hkparent+發表於+15-2-6+17:58+You+s

原帖由 pc430 於 15-02-06 發表
live in australia permanently is my selection but my kid. He can back to hk or other countries to wo ...

Higher unemployment rate is partly due to the welfare benefits of a country. Some people prefer not working because they don't have to and can still enjoy a reasonable living, not because there are no jobs. If you are so lucky to have the right yo live in such a country, why bother coming back Hk? If you like the local school system and working environment here, why bother bringing the child back to Australia for high school study? Secondary schools here are very good at training up a child's so-called competitiveness. If you have such a mindset, better make up the decision to go for local school. You will regret in international school.

作者: torunpoland 時間: 15-2-6 23:07 標題: 回覆：pc430 的帖子

本帖最後由 torunpoland 於 15-2-7 00:41 編輯

我明白樓主想法，因有朋友都係咁諗，話想小朋友在香港讀到中學（初/高未定），等孩子可以drill得勁d (exact wording), 過到加拿大高中或大學時就可以輕鬆讀書，因為呢個朋友去到楓葉國讀高中時，好輕鬆完成數學，「一早就識啦！好易啫！」，跟住入大學。我相信有好多人都會有呢種想法，但是，我和老公不認同，特別是外子放洋十年，成績一等一的好到無以復加，但深深體會到「視野狹窄」在讀書時帶來的限制（當然事過境遷，當年的所謂「狹隘」也不是甚麼局限，能夠經得起鹹水的衝擊，解除中國式若干毒素，是他放洋十年的「小成就」。）

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-6 23:13 標題: 引用：我明白樓主想法，因有朋友都係咁諗，話想小

原帖由 torunpoland 於 15-02-06 發表
我明白樓主想法，因有朋友都係咁諗，話想小朋友在香港讀到中學（初/高未定），等孩子可以drill得好d (exact ...

我好明白你老公的想法，我都用了三十幾年來解毒

回想當年的我，真係一額

吾係話而家好好，至少有點insight

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-6 23:20 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+torunpoland+於+15-02-06+發

原帖由 964000 於 15-02-06 發表
我好明白你老公的想法，我都用了三十幾年來解毒回想當年的我，真係一額吾係話而家好好， ...

I'm still in the process of detoxication, so don't want the child to get any toxic.

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-2-7 00:05 標題: 引用：我明白樓主想法，因有朋友都係咁諗，話想小

原帖由 torunpoland 於 15-02-06 發表
我明白樓主想法，因有朋友都係咁諗，話想小朋友在香港讀到中學（初/高未定），等孩子可以drill得好d (exact ...

初到外國，總係唔明啲鬼仔咁蠢。後來發現，蠢既係我。我從來都冇真正明白過，只是死記。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-2-7 01:28

pc430 發表於 15-2-5 14:01
學好中文之後去澳州都已有足夠中文程度第日做野會好有用 ...

It boils down to one question, how determined are you regarding "permanent" settlement in Australia?

If it is really PERMANENT, then Chinese is not going to be of much use at work for your child, and even if your child knows some Chinese, it unlikely that your grandchild will know much if any, so why not let go of it now and save your child some pain? If you dislike the Australian way of life, e.g. relaxed working attitudes, drinking on Fridays etc, then you should think thrice about a "permanent" move to that country, because your child might and your grandchild definitely will adopt that kind of lifestyle.

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-7 09:30 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+torunpoland+於+15-02-06+發

原帖由 DreamKid 於 15-02-07 發表
初到外國，總係唔明啲鬼仔咁蠢。後來發現，蠢既係我。我從來都冇真正明白過，只是死記。

...

In class, foreign students discussed a topic with the teacher and asked critical questions. We Hk students didn't know how to ask but just sat there writing notes of what the teacher said. In exam, we regurgitated those notes without any original ideas and insights. We only passed the exam but those foreign students excelled.

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-7 09:35 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+DreamKid+於+15-02-07+發表初

原帖由 hkparent 於 15-02-07 發表
In class, foreign students discussed a topic with the teacher and asked critical questions. We Hk st ...

Before I went overseas I thought I was a top student, worked extremely hard and got top grades. But when I was there, I became one of the bottom students in class. I felt it a pity that I had lost so much time and learnt so little.

作者: 紅紅 時間: 15-2-7 11:32 標題: 引用：Quote:pc430+發表於+15-2-6+17:09+回覆+sha

原帖由 vivian-chy 於 15-02-06 發表
"準時收工, 週五after office hour飲酒，weekend唔覆email"
有咩問題呢？影響唔到你，你有你賣命，我有我嘅 ...

冇錯，其實外國人只是both work hard and play hard吧！人地準時放工唔代表人地唔hard working嘅，相反日日OT遲放工亦唔等於勤力, 我覺得係efficiency嘅問題。我反而覺得，唔能夠在上班時間内完成工作，是inefficient 的一種表現。

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-2-7 14:09 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+vivian-chy+於+15-02-06+發表

原帖由紅紅於 15-02-07 發表
冇錯，其實外國人只是both work hard and play hard吧！人地準時放工唔代表人地唔hard working嘅，相反日日 ...

Totally agree - coming late, long lunch, chatting with friends. They cannot finish it within working hours and blame it heavy workload.

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-8 23:54 標題: 回覆：vivian-chy 的帖子

你睇錯了我話Friday 4點未夠鐘放工就happy hour 呀
放左工話之你點happy都係你嘅lifestyle
返工時間你可以咁做都係lifestyle?

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-8 23:56 標題: 回覆：964000 的帖子

呢d未就係香港社會依然崇洋囉
大家做同樣野但鬼佬就人工高過你
鬼叫你唔係鬼樣咩

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-8 23:59 標題: 回覆：hkparent 的帖子

請問你有冇係外國搵過工做？
吾做工令失業率高呢點都幾得意喎

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-9 00:11 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子

未就係因為你只見到出得黎做嗰d外國人囉
出得國做野嗰批人就梗係有競爭力啦
你又唔知剩低嗰d可以几井底之蛙
語言只懂英文國都未出過

有遠見嗰d宜家都要d仔女學外語同補習讀名校

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-9 00:44 標題: 引用：未就係因為你只見到出得黎做嗰d外國人囉出

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未就係因為你只見到出得黎做嗰d外國人囉
出得國做野嗰批人就梗係有競爭力啦
你又唔知剩低嗰d可以几井底之蛙 ...

正如你沒有提及大壓力下，不是個個香港人變成勤力好學，超強競爭力。

香港人有的好有競爭力，有的好 hea。
外國人有的好有競爭力，有的好 hea。

一般人會尊重牛的勤力，但無人崇拜一隻牛和想成為一隻牛。 work smarter, not harder.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-2-9 02:24

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Like some threads I have seen in this forum, they start off with a seemingly benign question as if the poster is genuinely asking for advice, but in fact already has an answer and in some cases even deep rooted convictions but would like to find confirmation and support, these threads usually end in pointless bickering.

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-9 08:57 標題: 引用：未就係因為你只見到出得黎做嗰d外國人囉出

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未就係因為你只見到出得黎做嗰d外國人囉
出得國做野嗰批人就梗係有競爭力啦
你又唔知剩低嗰d可以几井底之蛙 ...

Oh, such a poor country. Don't even think about sending your children there for education, let alone staying there "permanently". Interesting.

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-9 09:01

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邊度都有勁人渣人唔去睇同經歷過接觸過又點知道呢?
我估你唔係好明箇中真諦

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-9 09:07

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you're right somehow. I got my point of view and I'd like to seek for more 'advise' but questions since everyone got different prospective due to their own experience and background
just want to get more information, I'm eager to know more that I may miss out

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-9 09:55

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你未免太斷章取義,一開始我無講過個個外國人好hea好無競爭力,我只係擔心阿仔好嘅學唔到,hea呀relax個d就學到足,同埋中文程度好有限.
係你係咁質問我係唔係話所有western people無競爭力,做到隻牛就係好...brbrbrbrbr
香港人有香港人嘅向上爬,勤力,flexible嘅特質外國人有佢creative, critical thinking同work hard play hard 嘅特質
兩邊好嘅野加埋就最ideal 呢個就係我要為阿仔準備嘅路

凡事都應該多面睇呢個亦係我開post嘅原因

作者: 紅紅 時間: 15-2-9 09:57 標題: 引用：未就係因為你只見到出得黎做嗰d外國人囉出

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未就係因為你只見到出得黎做嗰d外國人囉
出得國做野嗰批人就梗係有競爭力啦
你又唔知剩低嗰d可以几井底之蛙 ...

我在外國住了19年(英國14年，美國5年)，有喺外國做嘢，我先生是外國人。呢度好多人有相同甚至更豐富的經驗，你呢種態度其實都幾是井底 ……

作者: pc430 時間: 15-2-9 10:01

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願聞其詳

作者: feipow 時間: 15-2-9 10:16 標題: 回覆：有冇準備遲d番外國定居嘅家長?小朋友會讀IS定local?

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作者: hkparent 時間: 15-2-9 10:42 標題: 引用：回覆+hkparent+的帖子邊度都有勁人渣人唔

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邊度都有勁人渣人唔去睇同經歷過接觸過又點知道呢?

My child is at IS primary who is working hard every day reading and exploring the world, and not practising exam papers and regurgitating hard facts for exams. I don't think this will lead to a lazy/relaxed attitude on work.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-9 10:58 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+pc430+於+15-02-09+發表回覆+

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My child is at IS primary who is working hard every day reading and exploring the world, and not pra ...

I was talking to my girl yesterday about choice of subjects. She said she like History. I said isn't history boring, reciting dates an all that? She said no, History is fun. Her History teachers do not require students to recite dates and events, instead students are asked to understand and expected to have their own opinions on the events. Could the history be rewritten if ..... kind of questions.

作者: Artie 時間: 15-2-9 16:58

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My husband and I were in (different) local elite schools in Hong Kong for primary and junior secondary education. We went to (different) high schools in a western country and we went to the same university (different programs).
Our experience is that, generally gwei jai and gwei mui have better reading, writing skills, better critical thinking and analytical skills. They might seem to be a little "slow" in high school or university freshman. However, they usually perform very good in university senior.
We felt that their strength were probably a result of the western style primary education. That was when children were allowed to read and explore. Then the junior secondary education was also not overloaded with homework. Thus they had lots of time to develop their different interests.
When we had our own kids, we decided not to put them in local education. Learning Chinese is never a huge issue to us, since the school we chose for our kids have Chinese classes. More, even if you are in local school, it does not mean you will definitely have good chinese skills. On the other hand, diligence is important for learning Chinese. It is because of the relatively light work load in international primary school that students actually have more time reading Chinese books. Pros or cons? Hard to say.
My children are now in Year 11 and university freshman respectively. They have reasonable chinese standard. The only weakness would be that they have learnt very little chinese literature, e.g. chinese poems, or old chinese literatures. Not sure whether this is a concern. If so, then please do not choose international schools.
BTW, it seems a little strange to be getting local P1 and ESF Y1 offers at the same time. I thought local P1 = ESF Y2?

作者: torunpoland 時間: 15-2-9 17:33

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If my kid or kids is/are able to go to college and to study history, my goodness... that's one of my dreams (not me to study it, but my kid/kids).

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-9 17:49 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+Artie+於+15-2-9+16:59+編輯+\

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My husband and I were in (different) local elite schools in ...

Besides, I think they tend to have better command of English and generally more presentable, and hence will do better in viva exam, writing thesis etc. in tertiary studies.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-9 17:50 標題: 引用：回覆+shadeslayer+的帖子 If+my+kid+or+ki

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If my kid or kids is/are able to go to college and to study history, my goo ...

My dream is my kid studying maths in the uni, 型到爆

作者: torunpoland 時間: 15-2-9 17:57

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首先回答樓主的問題.
我們遲些會返外國定居，時間表未定，但相信若孩子有能力讀大學，應該會去外國就讀。所以，我答你的問題是IS，我們選國際學校。

至於中文學習，以我所見，本地小學的中文學習方法頗為沉悶，各校暗地比賽過分抄得多抄得深，又用學外語的方法教本地孩子學中文，誠然大錯特錯，可謂不智。又，某校中文老師說掏出來等於拿出來一說，貽笑大方，師資質素難免令我質疑。中學的中文科教法及考法，亦過於側重中文的功能性，先刪範文然後復之，雖為撥亂反正，實屬可喜之象，但亦反映當局迷失其中，進退失據。在我角度而言，靠學校教孩子中文當中的可預見水平，未能乎合我的要求。上論所及乃方法成效，而論學習興趣，頗取決於教法，所以，我意見是：追課程趕進度跑目標的過程中，孩子未及回氣沉澱已經跳到下一課文，哪兒有興趣之說？即使有都是靠家庭"煽風點火"，給予閱讀時間從中找中文的樂趣。基於上述，我不太認為就讀本地學校的孩子對中文的興趣，會高過家中有配套的國際學校學生。國際學校學生最基本是不用天天做功課，便有時間看書玩樂。

就競爭力方面而言，已有網友闡述分享，小妹不贅。競爭力是一項相當含糊的指標，當中涉及辛勤努力等一般人喜歡的美德，但我相信，也包括創造力／創意／破革／立新的元素。後者，本人深信本地教育教／培養不來。

作者: Artie 時間: 15-2-9 17:57

torunpoland 我正覺得本地小學的中文頗不濟。發表於 11 分鐘前

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我對現時本地小學中文課程不熟悉。
只是眼見小女和小兒雖然中文科只是 CHINESE B ( IB )，但他們日常讀寫也尚算 OK，看懂中文報章，中文餐牌，IB 公開試也要作文 ( 300 字起 for CHINESE B SL, 450 字起 for CHINESE B HL)，當然，同 DSE 比當然冇得比，但其實唔係好多人講到咁差。

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-2-9 18:00 標題: 引用：我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超1

原帖由 pc430 於 15-02-05 發表
我同c6會係阿仔初中近返澳州長住,阿字係超12月尾超細b,已有沙田一線津校自行offer,另外ESF SJS應該都會有of ...

As I said before, I think you prefer LS and thus you should go with what you value.  Don't worry about the kid adopting to the new environment.  Whether it is now or later, he needs to adjust.

One more point to support your choice, actually IS is not that "hea" when you get to year 5/6 and above.  Why don't you just leave him in local school system.

You seem to use the old generation behaviour to project the younger one.  But I can tell you the young ones all want work life balance.  I am sure you come across many of them in your work too.

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-2-9 18:13 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+torunpoland+於+15-2-9+17:58+

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香港宜家既中文老師以為大陸既中文就係好中文。攪到宜家的中文非常差。你睇下大陸的野，睇完都唔知佢講物。你再睇下幾多人在 EK 問中文補習/作文就知 LS 宜家既情況。既然都係要補，我就唔明的人點解係要話 IS 學校中文差要補，又唔話 LS 中文差。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-2-9 18:31

torunpoland 發表於 15-2-9 17:57
某校中文老師說淘出來等於拿出來.

That teacher probably came from China, and he probably meant to say 掏出來等於拿出來. 淘 of course means a different action.

Which brings up another point, with the HK Government pushing Chinese language teaching in PuTongHua, it is likely that more and more Chinese language teachers in local schools will have a China background, and children might pick up more than just a language but also a mentality from them, such as "沒有香港人的". Whether that is desirable or not will depend on individual families.

For many local parents who opt for international schools, trivializing the Chinese language is usually not one of their aims, but avoiding a certain mentality is. It is true that many Chinese language teachers in international schools have a China background too, but they teach just the language and not much else.

作者: torunpoland 時間: 15-2-9 18:51 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子

Typo, now corrected

作者: torunpoland 時間: 15-2-9 18:54

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It is back to the discussion we touched upon a few days ago. Immunization or detoxication.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-9 19:34 標題: 引用：回覆+shadeslayer+的帖子 If+my+kid+or+ki

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If my kid or kids is/are able to go to college and to study history, my goo ...

That is cool indeed.

作者: licpd 時間: 15-2-9 20:01

LS 最大問題是唔知點解老師們樣樣都要管，去toilet要管，問候禮儀要管，儀容要管，樣樣野有一套規矩要跟，學生甚少自主權，，學生出到來真系要detox！我唔知系未有的IS 都是這樣，但LS 應該都沒有free的！

作者: nicolelaiyy 時間: 15-2-10 14:22

其實知唔知有冇d本地直資學校，是活動教學，學生與學生間能操地道英語，學校鼓勵閱讀，探索，小功課考测等等.其實很想讀IS, 女兒也有ESF offer, 但budget不是很鬆，想留番多些錢將來出國讀書。大家知唔知有冇本地直資學校有近似國際學校教法？

Thanks a lot!

作者: caa 時間: 15-2-10 14:46

nicolelaiyy 發表於 15-2-10 14:22
其實知唔知有冇d本地直資學校，是活動教學，學生與學生間能操地道英語，學校鼓勵閱讀，探索，小功課考测等 ...

合你要求的直資學費也不太便宜吧

作者: worc1361 時間: 15-2-10 14:47 標題: 引用：其實知唔知有冇d本地直資學校，是活動教學

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其實知唔知有冇d本地直資學校，是活動教學，學生與學生間能操地道英語，學校鼓勵閱讀，探索，小功課考测等 ...

I guess may be local school like runs ib? Creative primary school? CKY?

作者: nicolelaiyy 時間: 15-2-10 14:54

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so u know the students in creative / cky can speak in native English to each other?

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-10 15:31 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+nicolelaiyy+於+15-02-10+發

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I guess may be local school like runs ib? Creative primary school? CKY?

These would be as expensive compared to ESF. Quality education has a price.

As for native English. Even some IS cannot keep the playground language as English. If the playground language is not English it is very difficult,if at all possible, to achieve native or close to native English. Let alone local schools. (DSS included).

作者: torunpoland 時間: 15-2-10 16:34

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無意詆譭CKY學生。我先後來次去過CKY開放日，見學生有禮周周，我又和他們傾談，試用英文與他們對答，他們的英文水平都好好好好好好，非常流暢，但說到是不是native的水平，我就有保留。但已經好好好好好好好好好好好好。

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-10 21:49 標題: 引用：回覆+nicolelaiyy+的帖子無意詆譭CKY學生

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無意詆譭CKY學生。我先後來次去過CKY開放日，見學生有禮周周，我又和他們傾談， ...

我覺得你係讚CKY吾係詆毁，如果keep到識看寫中文和好xN英文程度，已經好好了

作者: feipow 時間: 15-2-12 08:27 標題: 引用：其實知唔知有冇d本地直資學校，是活動教學

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作者: nicolelaiyy 時間: 15-2-12 10:46

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現在的國際學校，都好小有一半人唔識講廣東話，咁即係話讀國際學校也不能操到native English了

作者: lovecasey 時間: 15-2-12 10:52

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我諗佢個意思係小朋友用英文溝通，不會主動講中文！

作者: fatcni 時間: 15-2-12 11:00

I think sth is more important than evaluating students's language ability. I am talking how much the teachers/ schools bound the students.
My friend's two daughters were studying in famous Catholic church kindly in the island. During lunch time, each student is given same portion and varieties of food. My friend elder daughter was a bit picky on foods Ms she left all carrots and could not finish all rice. The teacher them gave a call to my friend and complaint her daughter is bad on eating and require my friend to fix her at home.
My daughter is studying in an IS kinda. During lunch time, varieties of foods are ready on table and each student is free to take whatever they want. My daughter is also picky, she also refuse to take foods she doesn't like. Teachers have no complain to me but would her to encourage students to at least eat a bit of the foods they don't want to try the taste.
I tend to agree with the way IS does as I also hv some foods they I dislike. Teachers are there to help and lead, but not complain and control. If a student was not being treated respectfully, how can I teach her/him to respect others?!
Of course I am not saying all LS are like this but you gotta choose and understand each school's character.

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原帖由 feipow 於 15-02-12 發表
我覺得如果要native english，間學校起碼要一半唔識廣東話，咁樣小朋友玩先會好自然咁用英文溝通。否則成班 ...

阿女同D識廣東話的同學也不會用廣東話。佢同屋企人先用廣東話。

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