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作者: Fatrara 時間: 15-1-27 11:11 標題: ESF 2014 Graduates - University Destinations

If you are interested in knowing where the graduates of ESF have gone to, here is the information:
http://www.esf.edu.hk/university_destinations

作者: Fatrara 時間: 15-1-27 11:13

ESF announced the data of higher education destinations and areas of studies for our students from the class of 2014. Students are studying at over 250 different higher education institutions in 18 different countries with the most popular being the UK (40%), Hong Kong (22%) and USA (17%). It is notable that an increasing number of students have chosen to remain in Hong Kong for higher education over the last few years – almost double from about 120 in 2011 to 204 in 2014.

The top five most popular universities for our 2014 graduates are the University of Hong Kong (HKU) (75 students or 8%), The Chinese University of Hong Kong (CUHK) (44 students or 5%), University of British Columbia (40 students or 4%), University of Toronto (33 students or 4%) and Hong Kong University of Science and Technology (27 students or 3%).

Some of the popular UK and US university destinations for our 2014 graduates include the University of Cambridge, London School of Economics and Political Science, University of London, New York University and University of California at Berkeley and Los Angeles. Other popular UK and US university destinations are shown in the tables below.

Business studies, medical sciences and law* are the top three most popular areas of studies for the class of 2014, which 166, 94 and 58 students study the courses respectively.

A number of medical students have chosen to study in Hong Kong at HKU and CUHK and a few have gone to the UK to study at top universities including the University of St Andrews, the University of London and the University of Nottingham. A steady increase in the number of graduates choosing medical sciences as their studies has been observed over the past three years which rose from 42 in 2011 to 77 last year and then further to 94 in 2014.

“Those who choose to pursue a career in medical sciences received multiple offers from first-class universities in the UK and Ivy League institutions in the US but they decide to stay in Hong Kong as they see the demand for bilingual doctors growing,” said Chris Durbin, ESF Secondary School Development Adviser.

On top of the above courses of studies, our graduates study a wide range of courses in all fields which range from creative arts to science and technology. Savannah College of Art and Design (SCAD) Hong Kong, for example, is one of the popular destinations in 2014 which 15 creative ESF students who aspire to become a leader in art and design decided to go.

“ESF students are highly favoured by university admissions officers because they are educated to be confident, internationally-minded and all-rounded individuals. Our professional teams of higher education counsellors work with students throughout the year in planning their study pathways and university applications,” said Durbin.

In 2014, seven ESF schools – including Discovery College, Island School, King George V School, Renaissance College, Sha Tin College, South Island School and West Island School – produced more than 1,000 graduates.

“The schools maintained very high standards of achievement in the International Baccalaureate Diploma and the BTEC examinations. Each and every student matters to us and this is evident in the choice of diversity of courses across a variety of university destinations,” he added.

作者: Shootastar 時間: 15-1-27 12:30

WOW! Excellent Performance.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-1-27 13:03

Fatrara 發表於 15-1-27 11:13
It is notable that an increasing number of students have chosen to remain in Hong Kong for higher education over the last few years – almost double from about 120 in 2011 to 204 in 2014. ...

This is not surprising, and reveals the underlying trend that more and more local HK families are opting for International Schools in order to avoid local schools, and not so much because of a plan to relocate abroad at some stage.

作者: Julybabe 時間: 15-1-27 15:05 標題: 引用：If+you+are+interested+in+knowing+where+t

原帖由 Fatrara 於 15-01-27 發表
If you are interested in knowing where the graduates of ESF have gone to, here is the information:
h ...

The results is pretty impressive

作者: Mighty 時間: 15-1-28 10:45

本帖最後由 Mighty 於 15-1-28 15:31 編輯

Even I said so myself (as my child is in ESF), I was quite impressed with their results. ESF schools, as average schools among intl schools, should be proud

作者: nintendo 時間: 15-1-28 17:17

ESF 算係咁，又唔係精英制，一路讀上去冇篩學生，難得有好多叻學生，唔轉去 D 個個贊話係 TOP 的國際學校。

作者: sara_liu 時間: 15-1-28 22:43

Considering there are over 1000 graduates in 2014 which is the biggest international secondary group in Hong Kong, surprisingly, the percentage of going into ivy league schools or the top universities in UK is not that high.

作者: Cytine 時間: 15-1-28 23:34 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子

Agreed with you FattyDaddy

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-1-28 23:59

sara_liu 發表於 15-1-28 22:43
Considering there are over 1000 graduates in 2014 which is the biggest international secondary group ...

I guess that is quite normal.

If we take a non-selective random sample of 1000 Hongkongers in the streets, how many of them would have been to an Ivy League school? Probably very few.

If parents believe their child is gifted or at least could be pushed with extra private tuition to become better than most, sending him/her to a non-selective school like one under ESF will probably be a waste.

This reminds me of another post I have seen here last year which had stuck in my mind, I forgot who was the poster, it said something like asking a parent whether she minded sending her child to a non-selective school with big class size of 30 children, and the answer was she didn't mind, because if not for that her child may not have had a chance to be there in the first place. A very insightful answer.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-1-29 00:21

本帖最後由 jolalee 於 15-1-29 00:24 編輯

nintendo 發表於 15-1-28 17:17
ESF 算係咁，又唔係精英制，一路讀上去冇篩學生，難得有好多叻學生，唔轉去 D 個個贊話係 TOP 的國際學校 ...

讚成ESF係好學校，很多學生成績優異。請留意近一成學生冇考IBDP而讀BTEC, 即變相篩學生。其實個個學生各有所長，而且行行出狀元。指出只希望表明ESF不是magic，始終靠學生本身的努力及資質，並無貶低此校之意。

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-1-29 00:29

FattyDaddy 發表於 15-1-28 23:59
If parents believe their child is gifted or at least could be pushed with extra private tuition to become better than most, sending him/her to a non-selective school like one under ESF will probably be a waste.

I always thought ESF is good for all kids... Does that mean you believe gifted students should not attend ESF?

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-1-29 00:37

jolalee 發表於 15-1-29 00:21
請留意近一成學生冇考IBDP而讀BTEC, 即變相篩學生。...

If they used just those students who took IBDP (i.e. minus the 10% who took BTEC) as the base to calculate the percentages, then yes they have effectively done some sieving to make their figures look 10% better. If they used the total number of final year students as the base, then whether they did IBDP or BTEC is immaterial.

We don't know how they did it and they didn't elaborate on their webpage, worst case is the figures should be discounted by 10%.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-1-29 00:52

jolalee 發表於 15-1-29 00:29
Does that mean you believe gifted students should not attend ESF? ...

I did not say that, I said it might be a waste, because the gifted child might not be selected out from the rest and realize his/her maximum potential.

All parents would like to think of their child as being unique or special or even gifted in one way or another, I have yet to come across a Hongkong parent who think of their 3 year old child as being just an ordinary run-of-the-mill type, but reality tells us most children will probably become just an average person. If everybody is chief, who is going to be the indian? :)

Many parent would try for selective schools, but would keep non-selective schools in their sights, just in case reality doesn't quite match up with expectations.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-1-29 01:17

At age 2-4, honestly can we judge which child will become successful and which one will not? I am not sure if the selective schools can really tell either, and selecting the child is just a matter of luck and the parents' effort.

Does being a selective school or not really make that much of a difference?

Does ESF being non-selective means they can make average students become above average?

Would intelligent students be overlooked or fail to realize their full potentials?

坦誠希望研究: 有否篩選學生，其實分別大不大...

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-1-29 01:33

jolalee 發表於 15-1-29 01:17
At age 2-4, honestly can we judge which child will become successful and which one will not? I am no ...

Don't forget it is not just a matter of getting in, over the years a selective school may ask nicely or not so nicely a student to leave if he/she is not up to the school's standards.

No one can tell in advance how a child's life will unfold, if the child is very clever and may do better in another school, or if a "better" school proves to be too competitive for the child, the most productive step to take is to change schools.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-1-29 01:44

The way you put it, it sound like ESF is not for the really bright students, which i am not sure that i agree with.

It could be true that some schools may have a more competitive atmosphere, for better or for worse. Some kids do strive better in a competitive environment whereas some may thrive at their own pace in a more relaxed one. If this really is the case, parents do need to pay attention to their children's characters over the years to see if the school and the child is the best fit...

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-1-29 02:36

jolalee 發表於 15-1-29 01:44
The way you put it, it sound like ESF is not for the really bright students, which i am not sure tha ...

I don't know why you keep interpreting it that way, my exact words were "it might be a waste" for clever children to go to non-selective schools, especially when their parents have high hopes (realistic or otherwise) of them and expect them to be selected out and treated differently so as to maximize their potential, e.g. being sorted into different classes according to academic ability and taught differently. Non-selective schools just don't offer that kind of environment, waste or not waste has more to do with the parents' attitudes and expectations.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-1-29 07:27

I see, it is the parent's attitude & not the children themselves that you are referring to. Sorry I am kinda slow in getting the gist in your undertone. I still believe that being selective or not would not affect the child's ability to learn, but yes, the parents attitude and how they prepare their kids would. Even a born genius would not go to Ivy League schools without lots of hardwork and the right environment, and honestly going to one really doesn't mean much in the long run.

A successful lawyer friend of mind from a wealthy background went to a "regular" University, graduated and later became partner at a major law firm (and then quit in order to give birth to and raise a lovely pair of twin boys). She has childhood friends with parents that pushed and pushed them into Ivy League schools (probably with connections or donations). Those kids don't amount to much, some can't even hold a proper job and had to live with their parents. I do believe how parents raise their kids do play a major part in their characters and attitudes in life, and that would determine how they would live their lives. Different parents do select different schools for their kids, and hence this is where the students' similarities part. Must say thought, more and more tiger parents are infiltrating ESF and other major International schools....

作者: Mighty 時間: 15-1-29 10:32

I kind of agree that ESF is not selective only at admission. However, it does select/divide students into appropriate groups according to their capability for major subjects, e.g. Maths. At year 7, the school (at least my daughter's) has already said in black and white that lowest groups are likely not opt for IGCSE Extended Curriculum. Of course, it also said students can be moved among groups depend on their performance. In conclusion, I still think your gifted/talented children can still thrive while average students enjoy their steady pace through the years in ESF.

Fatty Daddy : [All parents would like to think of their child as being unique or special or even gifted in one way or another, I have yet to come across a Hongkong parent who think of their 3 year old child as being just an ordinary run-of-the-mill type]

Hahaha, I might be the first hongkong parent you come across that really thinks that her/his child is just average. And there is nothing wrong to be average. I treasure how much effort one puts into what he pursues.

作者: Mighty 時間: 15-1-29 11:36

Jola, great minds think alike

作者: cowmoon 時間: 15-1-29 16:24

I would rather say that most kids (including mine) are above average in some aspects but below average in others. Praise the strengths. Accommodate but not give up the weaknesses.

作者: cowmoon 時間: 15-1-29 16:43

I think ESF is doing a great job. But non selection happens only in year 1. My neighbour's boy switched from SPCPS to ESF in year 7 and my friend's son from another local elite school applied for year 7 but did not get a place after interview. I think it is getting more selective as applicants become more.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-1-29 22:22

名校生的英文水平，大部份是一般而已，除非是英文科特別出色的學生。考year 7, ESF基本要求孩子有足夠英語水平應付學習而已，已經是最低要求了。

作者: annie40 時間: 15-1-29 22:48

老實說，我真的睇唔明個Report是好定唔夠好！

如果認為唔夠好，系咪說non selective school 就是合理的關鍵了？

其實讀左咁多年，覺得ESF孩子最正的，從來不是成績（大家心𥚃有數吧），而是mindset. (好難有數據反映），university destination 是某個階段。如果mindset強勁，以後愈戰愈勇，成就更大。

今天所見新一代ESF生，補習愈來愈早，愈來愈多，成績又好似愈來愈好，希望各方面mindset也是朝著正向。

作者: sschiu 時間: 15-1-30 00:22 標題: 回覆：annie40 的帖子

I think every parent has their own standard of what is "good" or not. The report has reflected the trend that more ESF students are choosing to study in HK universities (one reason to explain why the number going to Ivy League or Oxbridge is not high). Especially for medicine and law, there is advantage to study in HK if they plan to practise and develop a career here. Another observation is that ESF students have chosen a very wide range of subjects, in addition to the popular medicine, law or business, some have chosen art, film...I think this reflects the diverse interests of ESF students, their open mindedness and confidence to pursue their passion. This may be part of the "mindset" that annie40 mentioned, which makes ESF students different.

作者: cowmoon 時間: 15-1-30 10:18

annie40 發表於 15-1-29 22:22
名校生的英文水平，大部份是一般而已，除非是英文科特別出色的學生。考year 7, ESF基本要求孩子有足夠英語 ...

其實我也想知，現在 ESF Year 7 admission 是不是還是排 waiting list 加考英語程度，因為愈來愈多本地學校學生在中學轉國際，這是趨勢。
ESF 是好學校，夠大已是其一優勢，課外活動夠多元化，sports、music、art、science and technology，有空間和夠學生去發展多方的強項和興趣。我常常在路上見 ESF 學生跑街練 cross country，或成隊兵咁去練 hockey，我都替他們高興。

作者: 大曲 時間: 15-1-30 12:40

其實ESF 2014 有幾多入唔到U?

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-1-30 13:24 標題: 引用：Quote:annie40+發表於+15-1-29+22:22+名校

原帖由 cowmoon 於 15-01-30 發表
其實我也想知，現在 ESF Year 7 admission 是不是還是排 waiting list 加考英語程度，因為愈來愈多本地學 ...

Pretty sure ESF test both English and math at year 7.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-1-30 13:29 標題: 引用：I+kind+of+agree+that+ESF+is+not+selectiv

原帖由 Mighty 於 15-01-29 發表
I kind of agree that ESF is not selective only at admission. However, it does select/divide student ...

I kind of agree that ESF is not selective only at admission. However, it does select/divide students into appropriate groups according to their capability for major subjects, e.g.

Xxxxxxx

I was going to reply to Fatty that "streaming" is very common in IS and has nothing to do with selective philosophy or not. You find streaming in both types of schools.

In fact I believe the difference between selective school and non selective schools is not that great in the IS world. I know some kids in a selective school who are very poor in academics and the school did not "ask" them to leave.

作者: cowmoon 時間: 15-1-30 13:54

本帖最後由 cowmoon 於 15-1-30 13:59 編輯

shadeslayer 發表於 15-1-30 13:24
Pretty sure ESF test both English and math at year 7.

Thanks ! That would be more "reasonable" in my eyes. Some of the standardized academic test I know (e.g. MAP testing of US, ACER, PISA) only test students on three aspects: Reading (i.e. comprehension and reasoning), Language (of course English only: grammar, vocabulary, spelling ...) and Math. Well, it is actually all you need to know to understand about an elementary school student's academic ability.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 15-1-30 14:28

shadeslayer 發表於 15-1-30 13:29
In fact I believe the difference between selective school and non selective schools is not that great in the IS world ...

It is true that in the IS world, the difference between selective and non-selective is not that big, I was thinking along the lines of non-selective IS vs selective elite LS, since it is often these LS which people use to compare to ESF and other IS over IBDP scores and university placements.

Also, "selective" is sometimes not so much selecting the child's ability but the parents' ability, thats how even mediocre kids are sometimes selected because of the parents' standing.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-1-30 19:10

其實很想明白原來已經被挑選入讀Selective school 的孩子，學校很好，亦有一定的教學要求和經常性測驗，數年之後何以當中部份上成為very poor in academics?

值得探討！

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-1-30 19:51 標題: 引用：其實很想明白原來已經被挑選入讀Selective+

原帖由 annie40 於 15-01-30 發表
其實很想明白原來已經被挑選入讀Selective school 的孩子，學校很好，亦有一定的教學要求和經常性測驗，數 ...

實情唔知，不過如何 selective school，也有 high priority or compulsory intake。

其實我意思係不要神化 selective schools ，它一樣有讀得普通的孩子，也不要看輕 non selective schools。是否 selective 在 lS中不是那麼重要。

作者: cowmoon 時間: 15-1-30 20:25

annie40 發表於 15-1-30 19:10
其實很想明白原來已經被挑選入讀Selective school 的孩子，學校很好，亦有一定的教學要求和經常性測驗，數 ...

這即使在所謂的“神級”本地學校一樣有個案。畢竟四五歲孩子，selective process 也未必全中吧，也有非常聰明乖巧但有 dylexia。即使一個小朋友天資聰敏也不保証學業成績好，selective 的學校本就未必是好學校。[size=14.3999996185303px]學校的課程可能不合適太谷或太淺，遇上的水準不夠的老師。朋友的孩子在[size=14.3999996185303px]“神級”本地小學，有一位同學本來好乖成績好好，後來朋友發現她常常致電自己的孩子傾偈，而且成績愈來愈差，後來才知屋企發生了些事。退一步來說，孩子可以快樂健康成長是幸福。

作者: annie40 時間: 15-1-30 21:01

自己有個想法是這樣的，ESF是以non selective 收生，家庭背景近似，開始時孩子的素質，可以是融合虎狼狼狗羊豬的大牧場，當初是飲奶奶時代，無須開始大廝殺，學校無測驗，功課少，話之你是天才，老師是低調處理，視而不見，因為評估有限，家長普遍是濛查查。(基本上小學如此）。以為好叻未算，以為好差原來不賴。

因為沒有把動物分類，於是虎不知己是虎，豬以為自己是虎，羊又扮下狼，狗又學貓叫，大家在同一屋簷下混大，相安和平，沒看扁同伴，結果或多或少產生良好的互動模仿，虎學了豬的小聰明，又體諒豬的力不從心，狗眼見狼相，學了自律進取，羊就在大家呵護下継續發日夢。孩子學的知識不算豐厚，郤有非常正面的學習mindset，大部份在自信不算是虎，起碼也會是狼的良好意願下，在面對難題時，顯得積極奮進。

及后上到中中，高中，開始正式考試的殘酷年代，年幼時打下的積極快樂，，在此時有利學習上的輸入和輸出了。

愛恩斯坦名句：

imagination is more important than knowledge.

此話由充滿學識，知識的超級科學家在走近人生盡頭時發表，是非常震撼的肺腑之言吧！

后駐：土壤合時，環境算是理想，過程中依然有不少走失的動物，很可惜！

作者: annie40 時間: 15-1-30 21:13

回覆 cowmoon 的帖子

十分同意，大部份走失的孩子，總有不同程度的家庭問題，，與父母溝通是搭錯綫，另部份多是人際問題而誤交損友，得不到認同感等。

作者: Mighty 時間: 15-1-31 10:03

ＡＮＮＩＥ，看到説到朋友問題、我想問下如果発現女児視以為一個最好的朋友、但従各種場合我発現這個所謂朋友、其実是一個非常喜歓ＭＡＮＩＰＵＬＡＴＥ別人的人、如将ＧＲＯＵＰ分化等等、応如何対応？　首先我承認応該是告訴女児応有自己的思想、但還有甚麼可做？　請発表一下高見。　這個人原本常常是自己一個的、我ＥＮＣＯＵＲＡＧＥ我個女応該関顧一些孤独的同学、結果她門成了好朋友、後来這位同学毎次我個女同其他大班人一斉玩、她就get angry or even cry so that my daughter goes back to her again. Really annoying!!

作者: annie40 時間: 15-2-1 00:13

Mighty, 你鼓勵女兒留意和關顧一些同學的需要，真的很棒啊！

曾幾何時在小學階段，自己也經常幹著相同的事，甚至約會狐獨的小孩到我家裡玩。然上了初中，真的是不能和不敢了。

第一，女兒和玩伴的関係要講投契合拍，要照顧她的心底意願，幫人一把無妨，真正交友還要點投緣。意願再好，卻不能影響女兒的抉擇了。

第二，部份孩子的性格，社交，品格開始變得複雜，真的有很大危險的potential。自己那敢當goodie, goodie mom, 叫女兒埋去玩。自己交損友事小，女女交錯朋友，會好大件事。因此必定唔敢多口了。

青春期的女孩不易養，敏感，早熟，多愁善感，心情經常受朋友所影響，因此很大機會是交甚麼朋友，便成甚麼人了。最糟糕是在此階段，孩子眼𥚃，父母是老古董，我們的意見最不管用呢！

此時切勿開大會，批評孩子的同學，頂多無意之間講講別人的故事，或扮作自己的經驗分享，讓孩子明白原來道不同，不相為謀，相處久了，彼此熟稔，卻無法深交下去的前恩後果，作為警愓。

另一提議是distraction, 讓女女參加更多午飯和課后活動，擴大社交圈，很快便交上更多不同群組的朋友。小器女孩喜歡跟就跟吧，唔喜歡時，你個女又忙又開心，真的唔理得佢咁多了，拜拜！

如果女孩又要嬲，又要喊，你可以私底下去通知社工或老師，幫忙疏導，已經盡哂人事了。其他可做的不多。

其實女孩們的友情很脆弱，朋友愈少愈單一愈是危險，如果朋友圈多元化，情緒，見識，安全感，會堅固多。

希望以上意見有點用。

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-1 07:49 標題: 引用：其實ESF+2014+有幾多入唔到U?

原帖由大曲於 15-01-30 發表
其實ESF 2014 有幾多入唔到U?

U may go to ESF website, the figures for 2013 is less than 5%

作者: annie40 時間: 15-2-1 14:02

Mighty,

圖書館有大量青少年社交和人際相處的參考分享，借來看看，給女兒看看，睇完就無咁煩了。

其實各式各樣的問題孩子，其行為總可以歸納分類的，明白原因，過程，幾乎能預見后果。及時輔導，事情便易辦多了。

作者: Mighty 時間: 15-2-1 14:13

Thanks Annie.

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