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作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-1-26 12:49 標題: 如何入德瑞？

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作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-1-26 13:01 標題: 回覆：naughtybj 的帖子

好有趣，相當於問如何入男拔、女拔、聖保羅男女。
沒有公式吧？！
認真答：依時報名、考試囉；每年都努力嘗試囉。

作者: caa 時間: 15-1-26 13:11

I think secondary is easier as some leave GSIS for boarding schools

作者: himmamme 時間: 15-1-26 14:05

GSIS is a highly selective school.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-1-26 14:49

1. Apply from birth
2. Parents should have native level English and speak to child in English from birth. Preferably professionals (or is that compulsory?).
3. Ensure the child is well arounded, intelligent, compliant and sociable.

I'm not sure about the rest because I didn't even do Step 1

作者: papaof2 時間: 15-1-26 21:47

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作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-1-26 22:12 標題: 回覆：papaof2 的帖子

如果報English stream是入讀後才需要學德文的，不用擔心。

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-1-27 00:00

我認識一個兒子入到GSIS的朋友, 她是德國血統但不懂德文的醫生；他們也是報Int'l Stream. 報五間收五間，間間都響噹噹，恨死隔離

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-1-27 07:52

以前舊公司，有幾個同事的仔女讀Gsis，但佢地全部係外籍，有priority的。年幼、無priority，三吾識七入到，近幾年學位咁緊張，應該很難。

作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-1-27 09:22

家族中有幾位小朋友都是GSIS, 有在小學時插班入、也有中學year 7時考入; 無priority，但成績都是非常好的。他們都是原本讀HKIS的。

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-1-27 10:55

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我del.

作者: Julybabe 時間: 15-1-27 13:56 標題: 回覆：如何入德瑞？

A random question, would it be too late in applying if our kid is 18m?

作者: Radiomama 時間: 15-1-27 16:09

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Never too late! The game is not first-come-first-served!

作者: hkparent 時間: 15-1-27 18:18 標題: 引用：我都識人yr+7入gsis,成績在小學時很好的。

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我都識人yr 7入gsis,成績在小學時很好的。中產家庭。當然小學都國際學校，據他們說，都會有local 名校學生 ...

Some DGJS and DBS students with good results can get in at year 7.

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-1-27 19:23 標題: 引用：以前舊公司，有幾個同事的仔女讀Gsis，但佢

原帖由 Jane1983 於 15-01-27 發表
以前舊公司，有幾個同事的仔女讀Gsis，但佢地全部係外籍，有priority的。年幼、無priority，三吾識七入到， ...

我小朋友既插班同學冇一個有sibling / passport priority. 不過，可能有 corporate debenture .

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-1-27 19:25 標題: 引用：家族中有幾位小朋友都是GSIS,+有在小學時插

原帖由 Radiomama 於 15-01-27 發表
家族中有幾位小朋友都是GSIS, 有在小學時插班入、也有中學year 7時考入; 無priority，但成績都是非常好的。 ...

真的，都幾多由HKIS 過來。唔知點解。

作者: DreamKid 時間: 15-1-27 19:29 標題: 引用：我都識人yr+7入gsis,成績在小學時很好的。

原帖由 samsam123321 於 15-01-27 發表
我都識人yr 7入gsis,成績在小學時很好的。中產家庭。當然小學都國際學校，據他們說，都會有local 名校學生 ...

據知，ESF, SIS, DGS, DBS, St Paul CoEd, La Salle，etc 都有

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-1-27 21:34

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應該係，歐資行有debentures。

作者: lamyeelok 時間: 15-1-28 15:55

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作者: bobbycheung 時間: 15-1-29 16:40

Existing vacant debenture holders 的 priority 係排第5. 即係有等如無.

作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-1-29 17:40 標題: 引用：Quote:DreamKid+發表於+15-1-27+19:23+我小

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作者: bobbycheung 時間: 15-1-29 18:02

本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 15-1-29 18:04 編輯

Debentures 唔貴, but "they can only be purchased after a place has been offered to the child." 另外, existing corporate debentures 無話可以轉讓. 就算你偷雞肯比錢佢叫佢 nominate 你, 都係無作用, 因為大把人比 debenture holders 的 priority 高. 其實 priority 唔係最重要, 成績先係 determining factor.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-1-29 20:24 標題: 引用：1.+Apply+from+birth2.+Parents+should+hav

原帖由 jolalee 於 15-01-26 發表
1. Apply from birth
2. Parents should have native level English and speak to child in English from b ...

As far as I know, point 2 helps but is not a must. But they do expect native level or very close to native level English.

Point 3, I am not sure if the school takes compliance as a desirable trait. It is difficult to assess children's compliance anyway from interviews for tests.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-1-30 07:06

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Yes, I should've specified 'compliant enough to execute the interview exercises' (but I wanted to keep my points short). If the child is not willing to do what the teacher saids during interview, then it does not matter how intelligent the student is.
During two of my son's k1 entrance interviews he was either not talking or running around doing his own thing (because he just threw up and was recovering from a fever). Of course he failed both although he has native level English and all. For k2 Reception entrance interviews I ensured that he knows and is willing to listen to the teachers' instructions (and that he is not sick). He passed 3 out of 3 interviews and received the offers very quickly.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 15-2-1 10:58

同意成績係重要，因我識果個小學成績係攞奬

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-1 21:15

I guess 樓主 need to specify the age of entrance, because it makes a world of difference for reception KG age & secondary age students. For KG entrance of course the teachers cannot test the child much on academics, but as the child ages, it matters not which school she applies for, academic is going to become more and more important as a factor.

作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-1 21:31 標題: 引用：I+guess+樓主+need+to+specify+the+age+of+

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作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-2-1 21:37

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兩年前的情況是，junior grade，無priority的，吾知排幾耐先有得in，小朋友叻吾叻已經吾係關鍵。無得in，識飛都無用。
不過高d年班，情況可能好d，但K和小一就好難了。

作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-1 22:39 標題: 引用：回覆+naughtybj+的帖子兩年前的情況是，j

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作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-2-1 22:46

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好野就係多人爭，無計。不過，中文亦係一個考慮，初小無中文堂，點都係third langauge。要keep到functional level，家裏要投入很多。

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-2 09:29 標題: 引用：回覆+naughtybj+的帖子兩年前的情況是，j

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兩年前的情況是，junior grade，無priority的，吾知排幾耐先有得in，小朋友叻吾叻 ...

But my gal was given the chance of assessment but we defer it. We applied when she was 1. Now she is 3.

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-2-2 10:04

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想吓想吓，好似我叫人吾好試咁...其實只係想講，如果根據我們報K、報P1的正常進度，早一年去申請，係吾多有機有得in，但如果可以早好多報，如1歲，咁吾敢講。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-2 10:42

But I would like to test her limit if you can achieve the same in GSIS.

Xxxxx

What was the reason you sent your child to a elite tradition school in the first place? After one year you want to set her/him on a completely different IS path because you want to test his/limit?

Changing school is always a lot of risk especially when the child is doing well.

You have other reasons, right?

作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-2 10:57 標題: 引用：But+I+would+like+to+test+her+limit+if+yo

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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-2 11:05 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shadeslayer+於+15-02-02+發

原帖由 naughtybj 於 15-02-02 發表
Nope, I just have confidence in her capabilities. Why not try?

Changing is not a problem to her, s ...

Choosing a school is like choosing girlfriend or boyfriend. You don't constantly find the "best" girl/boy friend in the world or changing partner because you want to test the limit of your charisma, right?

作者: himmamme 時間: 15-2-2 11:05

naughtybj 發表於 15-2-2 10:57
Nope, I just have confidence in her capabilities. Why not try?

Changing is not a problem to her, s ...

你係諗住讀先考,收左唔讀可能会black list

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 15-2-2 11:06

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Let her try Chinese International School also. CIS likes girls who are aggressive, can adapt fast, and have excellent language abilities.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-2 11:27 標題: 引用：回覆+naughtybj+的帖子 Let+her+try+Chine

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Let her try Chinese International School also. CIS likes girls who are aggres ...

More important than what school to apply to, all of us have to examine the reasons for change.

The child is only K1, there is no "capability" to be discussed. Why was a tradition school chosen in the first place. Why after one year the reasons to choose traditional schools become invalid? Why GSIS or CIS is a "better" school? In what sense? Traditional path leads to DSE and local Uni. IS path leads to IB and foreign Uni. Not to mention the difference in philosophies between the two systems.

I find testing the child's limit being the only reason for this change a wrong reason.

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-2 11:28 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shadeslayer+於+15-02-02+發

原帖由 naughtybj 於 15-02-02 發表
Nope, I just have confidence in her capabilities. Why not try?

Changing is not a problem to her, s ...

Other than capabilities, will you consider Chinese is a concern? I defer as I think Chinese is a concern and GSIS may not satisfy my need.

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-2 11:29 標題: 引用：回覆+lui+的帖子想吓想吓，好似我叫人吾

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想吓想吓，好似我叫人吾好試咁...其實只係想講，如果根據我們報K、報P1的正常進度，早一 ...

I have no defense. Just told what I have experienced.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-2 12:00 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+Jane1983+於+15-02-02+發表回

原帖由 lui 於 15-02-02 發表
I have no defense. Just told what I have experienced.

Can defer for the interview? When will they call you back again for the next interview? In fact I have applied too and I have the same concern as you. But back in my mind I think we probably won't get the offer so we can apply at a later stage again if I wish.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-2 12:03 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shadeslayer+於+15-02-02+發

原帖由 naughtybj 於 15-02-02 發表
Nope, I just have confidence in her capabilities. Why not try?

Changing is not a problem to her, s ...

Then just try. But I think your profile is even more suitable for DGJS(aggressive and confident mom with a smart and same character girl). If you go for GSIS kinder that will probably lower your chance to DGJS.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-2 12:10 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+naughtybj+於+15-02-02+發表N

原帖由 lui 於 15-02-02 發表
Other than capabilities, will you consider Chinese is a concern? I defer as I think Chinese is a con ...

Not only that, GSIS like many other IS have no homework or exams in the entire primary years. Is that going to satisfy the academic needs of the parent and the child, considering the child comes from a traditional school? Just to test the capability limit of the child? How can she test the child's limit when there isn't even homework or exams?

To me it sounds like a disaster brewing.

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-2 12:23 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+lui+於+15-02-02+發表I+have+

原帖由 964000 於 15-02-02 發表
Can defer for the interview? When will they call you back again for the next interview? In fact I ha ...

They sent me an email to ask me to choose for an assessment now or defer to a later year. I choose to defer to Year 1.

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-2 12:34 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+lui+於+15-02-02+發表Other+t

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 15-02-02 發表
Not only that, GSIS like many other IS have no homework or exams in the entire primary years. Is tha ...

may be she just wants to Test her limit to see if she can get an offer from GSIS? The cost of studying in GSIS is a few times of studying in local school. The route to the university is very different too. I myself had made up my mind that I can't afford ( both financially and pysically) to take care of my gal's Chinese to a very sound level.

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作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-2 12:53 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+lui+於+15-02-02+發表Other+t

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作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-2 12:54 標題: 引用：回覆+naughtybj+的帖子 Let+her+try+Chine

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作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-2 13:34 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+964000+於+15-02-02+發表Then

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原帖由 naughtybj 於 15-02-02 發表
Thanks for your advice. Sure, she is a DG type, both in physiologoical and psychological term. Even ...

Just my feeling that you will be happier in local top schools than in IS top school. IS even for top school, the kinder and primary years are quite "hea" and you may not get the satisfaction as you wish. I have friends whose very smart kids studied in IS and (the parents) think the curriculum is too simple and not challenging enough and want to switch back to local school. To study in IS one need to have the right mentality but not the capability.

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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-2 15:04 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+964000+於+15-2-2+13:37+編輯+

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To study in IS one need to have the right mentality but not the capability.

Xxxxxx

That is why I was saying it sounds like a disaster with expectation mismatch.

What is capability at the age of K1? Academic? Ability to make friends? Creativity? How do schools measure these? How do we know the child is at his/her limit? What if the school don't even have homework and exams?

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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-2 18:06 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shadeslayer+於+15-02-02+發

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原帖由 naughtybj 於 15-02-02 發表
mentality？capability？ any route, any way, she will be there.

Mentality refers to the Parents mentality and expectation in schooling. You want to send your child to GSIS because you want to test her limit. How do you intend to test her limit when there isn't even homework and exams. How do you assess her limit when there is no ranking? How do you know how much your child has learn when there is no weekly report or month report on achievements?

If you want to test her limit, why don't you fill the child every waking minutes with "some" types of classes and learning and see how well he/she perform in each? Or teach her materials that are 3 to 6 years ahead of her grade. I am sure going to GSIS does not satisfy you with your focus on "limits".

作者: annie40 時間: 15-2-2 19:42

forget the limit.

Once you think of testing the limit, you put your child into the pool of limited.

Please think bigger. Your child is limitless.

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作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-2 19:59 標題: 引用：forget+the+limit.Once+you+think+of+testi

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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-2 20:27 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shadeslayer+於+15-02-02+發

原帖由 naughtybj 於 15-02-02 發表
Homework, exams or even ranking are certainly not any limits to me n my girls? frankly, they are EAS ...

You probably have a gifted child. You know many parents with gifted child chose to do home school. So they can teach A level stuff at 10 years old and none of the normal school "distractions" like a social life or friendship, or sports, etc. which are frankly a waste of time for gifted kids.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-2-2 20:41

入唔到覺得好難，入到的覺得好易。五歳人仔，不在狀態，考唔到不是孩子的錯。學校的高水平學生多，而不是全部高水平。希望家長能清楚自己的定位。

兩年前街坊的女兒入到year one, 路上遇上，恭喜之餘，順道提醒要注意生活平衡，(聽聞女女日日補習，中英數外，加兩科外語），點知轉頭嬲到爆，話我妒忌佢個女入到GSIS。認真攞命，我女女十六歳，佢女兒得五歳，相差十一年，點解會妒忌呢？抓頭!

老實講，GSIS少左這些眼高于頂（亦可意會成眼高手低）的家長，學校和學生一定更上層樓！

作者: annie40 時間: 15-2-2 20:44

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點試都好，就是不要讓孩子知道。

作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-2 20:50 標題: 引用：回覆+naughtybj+的帖子點試都好，就是不

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作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-2-2 21:14

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哈哈，估吾到你都老貓燒鬚

幾年下來，我發覺好多家長，平時幾咁正常都好，都容吾到人地提點佢仔女（即使係善意），更易嫉妒其他人仔女好出色...

作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-2 21:51 標題: 引用：回覆+annie40+的帖子哈哈，估吾到你都老

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作者: bobbycheung 時間: 15-2-2 21:55

annie40 發表於 15-2-2 20:41
入唔到覺得好難，入到的覺得好易。五歳人仔，不在狀態，考唔到不是孩子的錯。學校的高水平學生多，而不是全 ...

又或者係, 入唔到就覺得佢好perfect, 入到的就知道依個世界無perfect. (有d似我老婆話嫁給我之前與之後的感覺)

作者: naughtybj 時間: 15-2-2 21:56 標題: 引用：Quote:annie40+發表於+15-2-2+20:41+入唔到

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作者: annie40 時間: 15-2-2 22:06

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你老婆得道遲啦！
我老早知道我老公唔perfect, 把口梗系無甘講，氹住佢娶左我之后，習慣左就順眼好多嘞！結果是以為唔多perfect, 慣左就可以perfect D.

作者: annie40 時間: 15-2-2 22:35

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其實都唔算誤會。見街坊甘樣茁苗助長，已經想'丙'佢好耐，考入GSIS只會更加當孩子是資優兒（已經驗左，報告話唔系），必定加操再加操，隻馬操得太早太多，會好快瓜直。見過太多早年超班馬，Yr 5 之后，成績是ok 多少少，完全無復當年靈氣了。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-3 00:34 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shadeslayer+於+15-02-02+發

原帖由 naughtybj 於 15-02-02 發表
Homework, exams or even ranking are certainly not any limits to me n my girls? frankly, they are EAS ...

I think doing NOTHING and she still can perform well in every aspects, that is the way I test her limits!!!

Xxxxxxx

Then why are you asking parents here how to get into GSIS? You should have done NOTHING, deliberately miss the application deadline and yet GSIS invite your child to join with full scholarship. That is how you test the limit, right?

Testing achievements with no input is a waste of the child's talent. Testing maximum achievements with maximum input is making the best out of the child's talent and time. Make sense, right?

作者: bobbycheung 時間: 15-2-3 00:51

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其實都唔算誤會。見街坊甘樣茁苗助長，已經想'丙'佢好耐，考入GSIS只會更加當孩子 ...

其實我覺得這只是一個過程. 大部分家長開頭都會覺得自己個細路係叻過好多人, 甚至係資優生或天才(尤其是細細個未有成績表證明你係錯嘅時候). 但好似你話頭, 分別只不過係有人得道早(例如因為早早就比個成績表當頭棒喝), 有人得道遲(例如一路讀上去都名列前茅直至某一日井底之蛙伸個頭出井外)罷了. 老實講, 我都有時手㾗拔苗助長. 只不過有時拔拔吓發覺唔多妥, 咪即刻塞返d根落去泥土裏面.

作者: lui 時間: 15-2-3 02:26 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+bobbycheung+於+15-2-3+01:10+

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有一日，前神校幼稚園校長同我傾計，當然是談對女兒教育的想法有關，佢話我係DG學生的mommy type.我聽左..就當聽下好了。我個女係有少聰明（依家大部份小朋友都係啦），不過也不至於不用花心機培養可以自己成材，而我，也不打算去拔苗囉

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-3 02:39

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Input-Output, testing limits, feed learning 3-4 level above age appropriateness... Are we making robots or trying to nurture a child?

There's a reason why Germany band ALL sorts of classes for kids under age 6, and still produce the most scientific Nobel prize winners in the world. Insights, creativity, social understanding... These are "softwares" no textbooks or classes or programs can recreate.

I highly recommend this book by John Madina called "Brain Rules for Babies", based on the most advanced neurological research around the world. The best activity for a KG age child? A box of crayon and an empty box; leave the child with these for at least TWO HOURS at a time. Not allowing children sufficient free play and get in touch with nature everyday would be the gravest mistake a parent with young children can make. It snuffs out the brain's executive functions, which is the part of the brain which is in charge of higher thinking as well as managerial and leadership skills.

The way many Asians train their kids is the reason why we produce the best middle managers but the westerners keep filling up the CEO & president top spots (or try putting an Asian up there and see the system crumble from top down). My relatives (both Caucasian and overseas raised Asian) from various disciplines all tell me "chinese kids" (those trained in HK/China during childhood and part of adolescence) are the best high school students but worst University & post-grad materials, as well as the most frustrating colleagues in the professional fields. They simply cannot bring anything to the table, has no original solutions and always need to be told what to do.

Therefore, anyone planning to place a child in an international school, please do so with a love in trying to nurture the child in the best possible way (but expect stronger rebellion from kids who can think on their own). As fellow parents has pointed out, parents need to prepare to let go, learn to socialize with westerners (including parents drinking nights while the kids sleeps at 8pm), allow kids to have skinned knees & bruises, and let children explore, inquire, and fall in love with books on their own. If parents prepare to bring into the IS the Asian way of pushing the child in all disciplines from the cradle to the grave (well, at least until the end of University application), then please save the $2000+ application fee and use it to enroll the child in more classes.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-3 03:10

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Jane1983 發表於 15-2-1 22:46
...不過，中文亦係一個考慮，初小無中文堂，點都係third language ...

Yes you are absolutely correct. A fellow parent whose elder son is in GSIS Grade 1, laments the lack of a chinese environment over there. He has one mandarin lesson per week in school as a paid after school "interest class", and an additional class outside of school. The additional mandarin teacher outside told the parent the boy would need another mandarin class per week in order to reach the minimum comprehension level. She's beginning to worry now....

On the other hand, her younger daughter who is my son's classmate (Reception year, k2 equivalent), is receiving daily mandarin classes. Today we went to school to help with CNY craft making in their mandarin class. I was pleasantly surprised that after just 5 months of 1/2 hr per day only exposure to mandarin, most of the kids can comprehend and respond to the teacher's instructions and questions. Half the class are non-Chinese. I suspect that most kids there has extra mandarin classes outside of school though (although the two parents I talked to didn't). A fellow Chinese mom thought the kids are not responding enough though, so I guess everyone's standard is different...

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作者: lui 時間: 15-2-3 03:37 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-3+02:51+編輯

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我家有五個大到可裝1.5個大人既紙皮箱，是一個好玩玩皃。可以俾小朋友想像

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-3 03:44

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naughtybj 發表於 15-2-3 03:27
Nope, she learns by herself; her languages are better than all my nuture environment or people; no p ...

Excellent, you can get her tested at Aristle.

If you are not giving your child extra lessons outside of school, and she is reaching many milestones above her age, than you should consider putting her in IMS instead. Montessori is great with nurturing gifted kids as the children choose their own work and work on their own pace. They are also in mixed aged classes so she can work on mat'ls years in advance without feeling out of place. Although IMS only go up to Primary 6, their graduates are admitted to the top IS in HK including GSIS & CIS, with a better primary school system IMHO . I believe your child can thrive there.

However, I have a feeling you won't consider IMS because it does not have as big a name as GSIS CIS DGJS. Please remember to put your child's development above your own ego.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-3 07:28 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-3+04:26+編輯

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Once I heard a Asian parent in a parent event say:

Parent:

My boy finished all homework and class material with ease. How should I bring other more difficult exercises to challenge my boy?

Teacher:

You don't. You don't challenge your child with deeper materials. You should challenge your child with wider materials. There is whole world of knowledge the school is unable to put into the curriculum, astronomy, art of debate, sports science, or simple more sports.

I like that answer. Of course it does not apply to geniuses. But good advice for most of us mere mortals.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-3 07:40 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-3+03:26+編輯

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You don't get it, the point is not minding how clever the child is and what her limits are and needing what level of inputs to achieve what milestones. Just let a child be a child and do childish things.

By going to GSIS/CIS/DGS certainly will not "test" her limits because obviously not all of their students are gifted. It does not proof anything.

Having said all these you have your right to be minding as much or as little as you like, or testing as much or as little as you like. But going to a school which does not believe in testing or reaching limits at an age of 5 when your only reason to change school is "testing" limits is a guaranteed disaster. You choose a school because that is the "best" available education for a child, not because you want to test limits.

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作者: annie40 時間: 15-2-3 07:48

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哈哈，你真系好老實，和好手藝。坦白講，發白日夢時，我都有手痕，痕到咁上下，諗起周圍的前輩都無拔草，自己就唔敢試拔，因為塞番落D泥的技巧是非常考功夫，自問十分粗魯，棵草被我塞爛的機會好大。
老兄是藝高人膽大，佩服！

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-3 08:46

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shadeslayer 發表於 15-2-3 07:40
You don't get it, the point is not minding how clever the child is and what her limits are and need ...

Shadeslayer, your post [#77] was quoting mine [post #71] on Chinese acquisition in LOWER PRIMARY at GSIS, which has nothing to do with your response. I believe your meant to address 樓主's post [#72 or #73], is that correct? Just wanna clarify before proceeding.

Yes, I have the same feeling after explaining the uselessness of testing limits and the need to nurture a child outside of school circiculum with neurological evidence [posting #70], but felt that our host of this thread is much like an ox-skinned lantern. Knowing it is impossible to convince closed mindset, and in fear of a mismatch (really don't want this type in our schools), I pointed her in the right direction. A Montessori environment may suit this type of parenting and children, without the risk of ruining ours.

作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-3 09:29 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+jolalee+於+15-2-3+08:53+編輯

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I still think the host is perfect for DGJS , or St. Paul co ed(they have IB couses) , they got the big names. Lots of competition and awards, similar mindset parents, just the perfect match.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-3 09:34

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Very true, but since the parent is asking for alternatives, it is best to point her to the right ones. The mainstream IS definitely not her up of tea, although she doesn't know it yet. Montessori would work well though, if she is willing to be a Montessori parent... Good reminder for me to give her a few pointers.

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Interesting GSIS, thanks.

Actually how old is your daughter?

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-3 09:56

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naughtybj 發表於 15-2-3 07:47
Thanks, another good idea to us, Montessori.

Mixed age classrooms, with classrooms for children ag ...

I am glad you were able to pull out a list of info on Montessori within a short time :) Yes, continue to research on Montessori and perhaps try some holiday camps or summer classes to see if she enjoys and can in this type of environment.

Most parents would happily settle with a child going to DBS but you came here looking for more (and there is more). I commend that spark in you. However, mainstream IS may not satisfy what you are searching for. If you are looking beyond the traditional local schools but still strive for early achievements, Montessori can be a good fit. Like most IS they do not have a mark out of 100%, but do have lots of little check marks and external tests for comparison to gauge each child. Do note the following if you are going for Montessori:

1) Montessori early childhood bases a lot on the child's ability to take care of herself. It is best to set up the household the Montessori way as well, so the child can wash up, dress, take care of meal time and basic cleaning by herself. It may seem like minor items, but forms an essential mindset in classroom learning in the long run.

2) Montessori emphasis self-motivation and self-directed concentration. It is set up like a work place out in the real world. Try only if your child is self-motivated and can hold out on her own.

3) Montessori is long term learning. She might come home with tidbit like the capitols of various African countries, but the real development is the way she acquire knowledge and motivate herself. Do look at the long term effects.

If you are going for Montessori, there are lots of so call Montessoei education centres out there. The degree of professionalism varies greatly as every centre has the right to call themselves Montessori (but not certified by the right associations). Only stick to IMS & DMS for quality assurance.

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Just a side track, aren't we all, in the old days, at the era without maids and child protection law, practising a bit of montessori point 1？

We used to cook for ourselves, helping out for household work, going out and exploring all by ourselves etc

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Unfortunately, our society has 'advanced' to a such a level that this is no longer true most of the time. Watch a bit of 小時候 and the sentiment of innocence lost will come to you. It has come to a point that many IS interviews include testing a child's ability to walk down the stairs or put on clothes by themsrlves to sift out monster parents.

作者: jolalee 時間: 15-2-3 10:21

964000 發表於 15-2-3 10:07
Just a side track, aren't all of us, in the old days, at the era without maids and child protection ...

As a side track to your side track

, last night when dinner almost finishes I was making a very complicated origami vessel with a 50 step instruction (in Japanese and broken English) for my boy (age 4). After he puts away his own plates and dishes (a norm and rule in our household) I asked him to help put away my rice bowl as well. He gladly complied. My helper commended that my son can take care of me when he grows up, which I replied, no, I'm only doing my daughter in-law a big favour

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As a side track to your side track , last night when dinner almost finishes I was making a very co ...

My daughter is two now, would be an honour to meet up with your son

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作者: bobbycheung 時間: 15-2-3 10:58

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annie40 發表於 15-2-3 07:48
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哈哈，你真系好老實，和好手藝。坦白講，發白日夢時，我都有手痕，痕到咁上下， ...

其實有時係唔關我事, 而係同棵草本身嘅性格有關. 我棵大草, 超級勤力, 鍾意鬥, 鍾意叻. 佢話要補習, 唔通話唔好呀. 唯有平時時常叫佢唔好咁緊張, 學校只是人生一個楷段, 成績不代表一切........ 細草就唔同, 讀書? 佢啋你都儍. 唔好話徒手, 就算出埋起重機都唔能夠拔高佢分毫. 咁唯有平時時常叫佢勤力d, 要盡力, 成績都重要嫁............ 有時同佢地兩個講完兩堆完全雙反嘅說話後, 都有d懐疑自己係唔係精神分裂.

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作者: 964000 時間: 15-2-3 11:25 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+bobbycheung+於+15-2-3+10:59+

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好多時大同細嘅表現都係咁，我識好多人都係。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 15-2-3 11:29

964000 發表於 15-2-3 09:29
I still think the host is perfect for DGJS , or St. Paul co ed(they have IB couses) , they got the b ...

I think so too. The other day I overheard my girl talking to an elite local school student.
Girl: I play 4 kinds of sports at school. They are all fun.
Boy: Wow, my school never allows that.
Girl: Why?
Boy: Because allowing that much sports affects the school stats.

By the way, that particular elite school student is very bright, good Chinese and English, good technical knowledge, reads "Stalin vs Hitler", his oral English is indistinguishable (to my ears) to IS students.

作者: caa 時間: 15-2-3 14:30

naughtybj 發表於 15-2-1 21:31
Sure, u're right. My daughter is K1 n will go to K2 in Sept. She is studying in Kowloon Tong which i ...

I think the "most famous" kinder in kowloon tong starts only from K2 and has no K1

作者: caa 時間: 15-2-3 14:35

naughtybj 發表於 15-2-2 19:58
Homework, exams or even ranking are certainly not any limits to me n my girls? frankly, they are EAS ...

Would you mind sharing what books (both Chinese and english) your girl is now reading?

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作者: caa 時間: 15-2-3 15:46

naughtybj 發表於 15-2-3 15:04
I hope u can understand her "academic achievement" is not my concern, so as reading books or how dif ...

I'm just curious how you judge your girl has "exceptional" capabilities right now that you want to put them to test. At such young age of k1, exceptional capabilities are normally reflected in what the kid is reading.

作者: Jane1983 時間: 15-2-3 16:16

突然想起有個朋友，佢小朋友5歲幾已做了2次check IQ，兩次都話唔係資優。咁細個做，根本未必準，更要做了2次，吾通要做到係為止...

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