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作者: ruth_esther 時間: 14-12-18 01:05 標題: A research on IB MYP by National Foundation for Educational Research
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作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-12-18 09:14
I think IB MYP is experimental in Hong Kong. Most parents do not understand. Academically, it is weak and less solid. Assessment is done by school teachers only. As a golden rule, excellent teachers and students are key to academic performance. Without experienced and excellent teachers, it is destinated to failure. My son's school has 30 years of teaching IB diploma, without any intention to change to IB MYP. The message is very clear.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-12-18 09:43
好像小朋友學行，他們是要一步一步走。IB MYB就好似教他們如何跑得快到達目的地， so called as a thinker and risk taker ! 老師只會說目的地，但作為家長就要扶助小朋友一步一步走。過了八年的接觸，我不認為IB MYP是好的課程。
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 12:39
我仔女冇讀 MYP，唔想批評人地。但我有朋友仔女在 IB SCHOOL ，現在是 MYP，讀得幾好，又唔似 EK 一班 ANTI-IB 家長說的咁差。
我覺好冇話 MYP 好它定唔好，個人選擇啦，無謂批評得咁狠。
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 12:52
Choisumwong 發表於 14-12-18 09:14 
I think IB MYP is experimental in Hong Kong. Most parents do not understand. Academically, it is wea ...
Do not get your point. Even with non-MYP, there are a lot of assessment (tests, quizzes, projects) done by teachers too. You mean, non-MYP curriculum would be less dependent of quality of teachers?
作者: ruth_esther 時間: 14-12-18 12:54
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作者: ruth_esther 時間: 14-12-18 13:07
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作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 13:13
ruth_esther 發表於 14-12-18 12:54
It'd be fruitful to our understanding if parents whose kids take MYP or other curricula like IGCSE s ...
My view is that, it is quite impossible to come up with something solid regarding whether or not to choose IB (or MYP).
First, there are probably not many people with first hand experience of both curriculum.
IB parents would love IB. IGCSE parents would love IGCSE. Everyone usually thinks his own choice is best.
Yes. I have heard there are people that switch from IB to IGCSE, and at the same time, some others chose to switch to IBMYP. Again, they always have their own versions of reasons to justify their choices.
This is why, sometimes even first hand comments might not be "fair comments".
My kids are going IGCSE. I find it ok. I have friends with kids in MYP. They find it ok.
Modern education are factories. All kids that do well in one school (i.e. pass QC) would probably be of the same type. You will find that most students that do well in a certain currculum would have similar characteristics.
I do believe MYP is suitable for some types of kids. And IGCSE is suitable for some others.
The thing is to find one that you like, and suitable for your kid.
You know what, some kids are simply not suitable to be in any type of "mainstream" education. So in the end, a lot of kids cannot do well in IGCSE, MYP, or any typical curriculum. Then parents have to find alternative paths for them. Many artistic or creative person or sportsmen cannot fit in a typical curriculum.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-12-18 14:08
The biggest appeal of iGCSE is that it is based on UK's GSCE, so for children who will be going to UK to study at some point in secondary school, the transition to GSCE or A Levels in UK will be smooth.
作者: ruth_esther 時間: 14-12-18 14:24
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作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-12-18 14:53
ruth_esther 發表於 14-12-18 14:24
IGCSE/GCSE are perhaps more 'suitable' for those going to UK ...
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-12-18 22:23
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I would say the sucess of applying MYP depens on both quality of students and teachers. I see very few high quality and experienced teachers teaching MYP sucessfully in Hong Kong. Seeing no solid result, taking MYP is a bit risky for those parents who want to keep their kids safe. Of course some parents may see it in different view and is eager to take risk. I personally do not understand MYP although I tried to understand for 8 years. Maybe I am very stupid.
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 23:04
ruth_esther 發表於 14-12-18 13:07
Regarding a parent's comment here, MYP will have external assessment starting in 2016 (actually a pa ...
I do not see the real purpose of any external exams for junior high, except the fact that some parents believe that necessary. There are no external exams for junior high in US and Canada. Yet, cannot say they produce poorer students. We used to have HKCEE (pre-high school exams). Well, is that useful? Not sure.
IGCSE is not exactly useful for university placement (I do not want to argue with some pro-IGCSE parent). So what is the use of MYP exams? Not sure. Except by demand of parents? Well, in the end, it only means more money to be paid.....
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 23:11
FattyDaddy 發表於 14-12-18 14:08
The biggest appeal of iGCSE is that it is based on UK's GSCE, so for children who will be going to U ...
I agree that the UK seems to be the country that still do not "like" IB. But that does not only mean MYP, but DP as well. So curriculum like IGCSE + IBDP is still not as desirable. It is probably best to do A levels.
Other countries, US, Canada and Australia seem to like IBDP a lot more.
But this is no longer the point of discussion here, since we are talking about MYP.
Unfortunately, junior high curriculum like MYP or IGCSE is not exactly what determine the qualifications to universities.
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 23:15
FattyDaddy 發表於 14-12-18 14:53
Also, if there are no plans to go abroad for higher education at all, DSE is the straightest path to ...
This is probably not what most parents aware, unfortunately. And thus a lot of parents that target local universities keep asking the recognition of IBDP or A levels by local universities.
Although many parents do not seem to like DSE, unfortunately, JUPAS is still the easier path for students targeting local unis. (I know some parents have exactly the opposite views, and feel that local students are taking short cuts if they are applying through non-jupas with IBDP or A Levels.)
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 23:20
Choisumwong 發表於 14-12-18 22:23
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I would say the sucess of applying MYP depens on both quality of students and ...
My point was that, all curriculum depends on quality of students and teachers. Not just MYP.
I am not in a position to comment the quality of MYP teachers in Hong Kong since I have no experience with MYP.
It is hard to judge as an outsider.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-12-19 09:13
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You and I share the same point that quality of students and quality of teachers both determine the sucess of any curriculum. Talking about students, many international schools are non-selective (apart from English level). It means there are diverse groups of needs with different background and interest. What is the prospect of these groups ? There is no track record or figure for reference in Hong Kong.
As for teachers, I don't agree with you that we have no rigth to comment as outsider. We as parents are consumers. We have right to know the teachers' qualification and experience of teaching any curriculum. Without information and transparency, parents are easily misled.
I will very doubt that teachers with very good qualification and experience of MYP don't stay at their home country to teach their people MYP and instead come to Hong Kong to teach MYP ? I am sorry to have such doubt as this is my common sense.
作者: cowmoon 時間: 14-12-19 10:02
本帖最後由 cowmoon 於 14-12-19 10:10 編輯
For academic success, students, teachers and parents have equal shares of responsibility. If parents are never concerned about or aware of how their kids are doing at school, there may be some surprises eventually. Some parents may feel more comfortable with exam-based curriculum because they can track the progress periodically and do remedial actions with children if needed... If the child is not very interested in any subject, not very engaged in any hobby or activity, limited attention span, not very resilient and not very self-reflective (Note: all these qualities are unrelated to intelligence!) ... I agree that taking exam-based curriculum with constant ratings and rankings will be a much safer choice.
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-19 14:32
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"I will very doubt that teachers with very good qualification and experience of MYP don't stay at their home country to teach their people MYP and instead come to Hong Kong to teach MYP ? I am sorry to have such doubt as this is my common sense."
After reading this, I can only see you are desperate in finding whatever reasons you want to bash other schools. Not worth discussing further.
作者: licpd 時間: 14-12-19 16:53
Choisumwong 發表於 14-12-19 09:13
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You and I share the same point that quality of students and quality of teacher ...
I also share this concern. In those private schools in UK and US, they have much bigger chance of hiring local talented teachers. It would seem IB schools in HK would need to offer much better salary rate than those schools in UK and US to bring their qualified teachers over or sacrifice the quality to fill the positions, what other choices do IS have?
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-12-19 18:08
本帖最後由 Choisumwong 於 14-12-19 22:12 編輯
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Be realistic, talking by common sense is so logical. I am not desperate to give you answer. I am actually now an outsider. My kids are not in Hong Kong. As an outsider, I just want help rational parents to think about it. My doubt sounds reasonable.
作者: Artie 時間: 14-12-19 19:33
本帖最後由 Artie 於 14-12-19 19:39 編輯
Choisumwong 發表於 14-12-19 18:08
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Be realistic, talking by common sense is so logical. I am not desperate to giv ...
You accusation saying that MYP teachers are not qualified is not fair.
My son is in MYP at the moment. His teachers are very good and he definitely benefit from the curriculum.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-12-19 19:41
本帖最後由 Choisumwong 於 14-12-19 22:17 編輯
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I am glad that your son gets a good teacher. My doubt is that how do we know the teachers are qualified and experienced to teach MYP ? And what will be the outcome after MYP? Any successful region for comparision ? I can not find any standard of teachers' qualification in teaching MYP in any HK schools.
作者: Artie 時間: 14-12-19 19:42
Choisumwong 發表於 14-12-19 19:41
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Question ?
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I am sorry for posting my previous message.
You can take over this discussion.
作者: iseult 時間: 14-12-19 20:09
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