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作者: FS 時間: 14-11-23 11:40 標題: IB DON'T take Chinese B HL
本帖最後由 FS 於 14-11-23 14:11 編輯
If you are a Chinese in Hong Kong, most U in UK and USA will not consider Chinese B High Level as appropriate subject. The son of my friend failed in his application due to this reason.
Even HKU and CUHK do not accept Chinese B to be one of the High Level subject. I learnt it from their U's information day. I have expressed that how about if the student has studied in international school since P1. They said that if you are a Chinese and live in Hong Kong for several years. They will not accept Chinese B to be one of the High Level subject. Please be careful !!
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 14-11-23 12:38
我都成日聽到類似說法, 但真係好難搞因為 Chinese A 攞高分比 Chinese B HL 困難好多.
作者: FS 時間: 14-11-23 14:14
Our school advised to take French B or French Ab inito.
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-11-23 14:47
本帖最後由 nintendo 於 14-11-23 14:56 編輯
FS 發表於 14-11-23 11:40 
If you are a Chinese in Hong Kong, most U in UK and USA will not consider Chinese B High Level as appropriate subject. The son of my friend failed in his application due to this reason.
I agree that it is not advisable to apply with Chinese B HL, if a student is home grown chinese child. However, it is not possible to know whether someone failed in an application because of this. More, most universities would not tell you why you failed.
Also, the problem probably came from the students claiming Chinese B in HL. Universities cares a lot about the 3 HL subjects. If you are doing language B (even french, spanish etc) in HL, you are wasting one of your HL. For science and engineering, best to put science, math in HL. For arts major, better put Group 3 (e.g. history, psychology, geography) and English A in HL.
For your friend;s son, it might have been better if he took Chinese B SL instead and taking one more HL in other subject.
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-11-23 21:07
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Suggest that students can take Chinese B HL together with 3 other HL subjects.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 14-11-24 00:06
foolish.mom 發表於 14-11-23 21:07
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Suggest that students can take Chinese B HL together with 3 other HL subjects. ...
作者: MYGOODNESS 時間: 14-11-24 06:49
foolish.mom 發表於 14-11-23 21:07
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Suggest that students can take Chinese B HL together with 3 other HL subjects. ...
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-11-24 11:01
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Yes, lesson time is more. But the students can get higher grades more easily. Chinese B HL easy to get a 6. Chinese A SL no guarantee. It depends if the student is willing to use more time to get 1 more IB point. Work usually involves writing and writing to polish writing skills. Not difficult.
作者: Artie 時間: 14-11-24 11:45
本帖最後由 Artie 於 14-11-24 11:45 編輯
FS 發表於 14-11-23 11:40
If you are a Chinese in Hong Kong, most U in UK and USA will not consider Chinese B High Level as a ...
Do you mind sharing the subject combination, and what programs (i.e. program major) he applied to?
I think universities also care a lot about subject combinations of students.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 14-11-24 14:37
foolish.mom 發表於 14-11-24 11:01
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Yes, lesson time is more. But the students can get higher grades more easily ...
作者: Chole 時間: 14-11-24 16:48
Oh! My kid's school does not offer Chinese A and frankly speaking I don't think that my kid can do Chinese A anyway.
Say if she takes another language instead of Chinese, would the universities in HK consider her unfavourably because no Chinese result?
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-11-24 18:49
本帖最後由 nintendo 於 14-11-24 18:54 編輯
I have read it in EK a while ago, that someone said his child and classmates, have got offers from HKU and CUHK with Chinese A + English B. Plus lots of offers from top tier US universities as well.
Now, some other people say that English A + Chinese B is not going to take students to local Us, and not to UK and US universities as well.
Someone must have got the wrong information.
Can anyone shed some light?
作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-11-24 19:41 標題: 回覆：IB DON'T take Chinese B HL
我相信不能一刀切話英美不睇Chi B, 每間學校或每科收生要求也不同，識人Chi B 入 Oxbridge, 又知道LSE reject 申請因HL科目(包括Chi B HL) not rigorous enough. 科大前兩年無要求要中文科（今年無聽），香港越來越多學生考lB，大學提高要求不唔出奇。至於美國，收生一向要全方位考慮學生是否合適，當然 Chinese 考 Chi B 有機會被視為不敢挑戰自己
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-11-24 21:01
Some students admitted by top US universities studied Chinese B HL. As I said, it is better to take 3 more HL subjects. Students with 4 HL subjects can be seen by US admission officers as a challenge.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 14-11-24 21:29 標題: 引用：我相信不能一刀切話英美不睇Chi+B,+每間學
原帖由 poonseelai 於 14-11-24 發表
我相信不能一刀切話英美不睇Chi B, 每間學校或每科收生要求也不同，識人Chi B 入 Oxbridge, 又知道LSE reje ...
入唔到會有不同理由，不一定是中文B HL。
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-11-25 09:52
FS 發表於 14-11-23 14:14
Our school advised to take French B or French Ab inito.
I have heard that some unis (or some popular programs) do not prefer ab initio. So it is best to check with school counsellor. It is best to do one Language A + one Language B.
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-11-25 09:55
本帖最後由 nintendo 於 14-11-25 09:57 編輯
ANChan59 發表於 14-11-24 21:29
贊成，不能一刀切。
入唔到會有不同理由，不一定是中文B HL。
Agreed. May be missing other HL as well. Like Math HL is required for engineering and finance. Or Chemistry HL preferred for Chemistry major. And so on. Or it may simply be that the student's score did not meet the threshold. Or even if he did, there are so many others that scored much higher then him. To be honest, even if he had taken Chinese A HL, if his score is not competitive, he can still be rejected. Without further information, we are unable to tell why he was rejected.
作者: webeheld 時間: 14-11-25 14:04
This rumor is false (unless the institution specifically informs you that your application is not considered as a result of offering Chinese B HL in your application). In fact for most subjects it does not matter if the applicant has taken Chinese A or B since it does not affect their expected performance in their intended program/major anyway (e.g. medicine, business…etc). Since the curriculum reform Chinese B HL is now not as easy as before.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 14-11-25 14:19 標題: 引用：This+rumor+is+false+(unless+the+institut
原帖由 webeheld 於 14-11-25 發表
This rumor is false (unless the institution specifically informs you that your application is not co ...
作者: FS 時間: 14-11-26 17:25
I have a photo of summary table. How to attach a photo in the forum ??
作者: Ononma 時間: 14-11-30 11:40
Interest topic. My daughter is in IB school since Year 1 and her Chinese teacher told me my daughter will take Chinese B in IB exam. As far as I know most of the student in her school will also take Chinese B. But will it only affect the Chance to enter local U in HK?
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-1 09:42
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Which school is your daughter studying?
作者: FS 時間: 14-12-2 18:07
"However, it is not possible to know whether someone failed in an application because of this. More, most universities would not tell you why you failed."
The reason is a student with same or even higher PG with Chinese B HL do not receive a Conditional Offer. The school counselor had shown some samples that two students with same core subjects and applied the same course of a U.
作者: FS 時間: 14-12-2 18:33
本帖最後由 FS 於 16-8-12 08:52 編輯
"However, it is not possible to know whether someone failed in an application because of this. More, most universities would not tell you why you failed."
The reason is a student with same or even higher PG with Chinese B HL do not receive a Conditional Offer. The school counselor had shown some samples that two students with same core subjects and applied the same course of a U.
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-2 18:55
FS 發表於 14-12-2 18:33
作者: FS 時間: 14-12-2 21:34
I remember that they all applied Major Economics other than I.C. for this table.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-12-3 07:53 標題: 回覆：FS 的帖子
請問全是Chinese students 嗎？看來有興趣報讀LSE的Chinese students要特別留意
作者: ANChan59 時間: 14-12-3 08:24
poonseelai 發表於 14-12-3 07:53
請問全是Chinese students 嗎？看來有興趣報讀LSE的Chinese students要特別留意
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-3 10:07
I guess UK uni don't take chinese (whether A or B) into account hence that student didn't have sufficient (at least 3 to be comparable to A level) HL subjects.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-12-3 10:27
caa 發表於 14-12-3 10:07
I guess UK uni don't take chinese (whether A or B) into account hence that student didn't have suffi ...
作者: Artie 時間: 14-12-3 11:52
本帖最後由 Artie 於 14-12-3 11:53 編輯
caa 發表於 14-12-3 10:07
I guess UK uni don't take chinese (whether A or B) into account hence that student didn't have suffi ...
Exactly what I thought.
Universities would focus on which the 3 HL subjects are. So putting Chinese B (or Chinese A) as one of the HL subjects is not really going to help. I think if that student had chosen English A, Physics or Chemistry as one of the HL instead, things would be different.
On the other hand, I am surprised why none were taking English A HL, especially they are all applying to economics major in top universities. I have always thought a lot of programs do care about the english language standard and thus putting English A as one of the HL would help.
作者: Artie 時間: 14-12-3 11:56
nintendo 發表於 14-11-25 09:52
I have heard that some unis (or some popular programs) do not prefer ab initio. So it is best to ch ...
Looks like ab initio really is not a preferred subject.
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-3 13:11
Artie 發表於 14-12-3 11:56
Looks like ab initio really is not a preferred subject.
作者: Artie 時間: 14-12-3 14:53
caa 發表於 14-12-3 13:11
How does ab compare to gcse? If much easier, taking ab means that student wouldn't have another mode ...
Ab initio is a beginner level course.
I think most students should have learnt 2 languages. It is just that they probably do not have the confident to study that language in Language B level. And so they choose to take a completely new language, hoping to get a higher grade easier. May be that is why some universities do not like it?
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-3 15:22
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Just noticed that those 2 US universities gave CO. I thought US universities would not give conditional offers and confirmed offers would be given out v early well in advance of IB results release.
Would you mind sharing which secondary school made this table of info? Or could you pm me?
作者: kingkongdaddy 時間: 14-12-3 17:32
I heard that only very few US universities considered IB, they will only look at SAT, Is it true?
作者: Artie 時間: 14-12-3 17:42
kingkongdaddy 發表於 14-12-3 17:32
I heard that only very few US universities considered IB, they will only look at SAT, Is it true?
These are two different things we are talking about.
No matter what curriculum you are from, you need to take SAT (or similar tests like ACT) to apply to US universities. Few universities do not ask for SAT.
作者: FS 時間: 14-12-3 22:08
本帖最後由 FS 於 14-12-3 22:32 編輯
The main messages from School Counsellor in choosing subjects are :-
a. The structure and workload of IB course is designed to be tough. The student should face the challenge. Do not try to take some easy subjects with a view to get higher total score. It is useless and will have bad impression to the University Admission officer especially famous University in UK and USA.
b. To choose Language B at Ab initio level is not advisable.
c. If you are a Chinese, do not choose Chinese B not matter SL or HL. If you want to take Chinese, you should take Chinese A and get a bilingual diploma. In fact, European language B is much much more popular.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-12-3 22:34
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It is interesting that you seem to phrase it as a choice. I do wonder how much of it is a choice. Unless someone went to a local school previously, has extensive tutoring or is really talented in languages, is it really possible for someone who started in an IS to take Chinese A?
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-3 23:05
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It would be much more helpful if you can share which school the School Counselor is in for readers to judge how valid the opinion is
作者: kingkongdaddy 時間: 14-12-4 01:15
Will it be more favourable in choosing Chinese B other than European lang B for getting into Hong Kong Uni ?
作者: Artie 時間: 14-12-4 09:52
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kingkongdaddy 發表於 14-12-4 01:15
Will it be more favourable in choosing Chinese B other than European lang B for getting into Hong Ko ...
Non-jupas admission is never transparent. Universities have freedom to change admission policy every year to meet their needs, so no one can tell you for sure. We can only base on past records we heard or know. It appears that some people tend to try finding something to blame for their rejections.
The truth is, there have been students that got offers with Chinese B. At the same time, there were people that were rejected even with Chinese A. So I guess universities look at applicants as a whole. They may also look at the college essay, student profile, interviews, etc.As regards to Chinese B vs European Lang B, it is hard to say for sure because of the same reasons. We cannot tell for sure why someone was rejected. In any case, there have been students that did get offer with a non chinese group 2 language.
To be honest, asking which is preferred may not really help. If I were the admission officer, I of course would always prefer someone that are doing both English A and Chinese A. However, I am at the same time not bound or limited to take only these students.
作者: Artie 時間: 14-12-4 10:01
FS 發表於 14-12-3 22:08
The main messages from School Counsellor in choosing subjects are :-
a. The structure and wo ...
Which subjects are considered "easy" by your counsellor?
Why are none of the students taking English A HL?
Has the counsellor explained to students the how to choose the 3 HL subjects?
作者: joys2334 時間: 14-12-4 11:41
I think it's all subject to the value judgement of the uni admission officers of whether they think it is fairer to accept those Chinese students taking Chinese B.
I think the judgement of the AO vary from time to time, and from person to person.
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-12-4 12:21
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This year, my son's classmate just got a conditional offer from Imperial College. She is taking Chinese B HL as the 3rd HL subject. She is a Chinese too. So it's not a conclusive observation that Chinese B leads to rejection.
作者: webeheld 時間: 14-12-4 13:19
本帖最後由 webeheld 於 14-12-4 13:20 編輯
FS 發表於 14-12-2 18:33
好流，美國的大學係唔會比conditional offer，亦唔會點care你讀咩科 (they consider whether your HS curriculum is of the highest level of rigor - in this case, for most schools, a student studying the IBDP would qualify for that automatically) 而且去到Columbia（Berkeley亦然）的級數的話，每年在港收生的數目是有quota限額的（Columbia等Ivy league名校大概5人），基本上PG低過43亦唔會有機會（再而且，爆PG是第一關，之後SAT／課外活動／essay等才重要），同埋，選甚麼major亦對收生決定沒有影響
作者: webeheld 時間: 14-12-4 13:26
以去年一所提供IB課程的本地學校為例，不少修讀chi B HL或SL的學生的offer包括了LSE Law, Georgetown, CUHK QFAA, HKU GLaw, HKU Law, CUHK Medicine等等⋯⋯因此generally speaking選科是對收生結果沒有影響的
作者: ANChan59 時間: 14-12-4 16:55 標題: 回覆：webeheld 的帖子
我都同意，不能一刀切，好多時，當事人透露 rejection 的理由，不一定是事實的全部。
作者: FS 時間: 14-12-4 18:09
Dear all moms,
In the past years, I have learnt a lot from this forum. I always get some valuable suggestions from you moms. Million thanks !
Now, my kid will choose subjects for IBDP exam. Just like you, I will care about the subject selection as it will affect their career path. I have participated in the recent information day of local Us and our school to gather more information.
From the very beginning, I just want to share some concerns on the choice of Chinese B HL to alert the Moms. It is just a friendly reminder from the bottom of my heart.
However, I received a lot of queries, challenges via pm. Like how can you prove ? What is the evidence ? How to substantiate your statement? What is your secondary school ? How to contact you ? Do you have any more data? and so on so on ? Some of these queries made me anxious and afraid. I do not want to argue on this issue anymore.
I am sorry that I cannot answer all your queries one by one. I have already written down all what I know and my comments in the forum.
Please accept my apology if my wording made you unhappy.
Please accept my apology if you do not like my comment.
Please accept my apology as my English is not good enough and cannot deliver the message concisely and accurately.
You may simply ignore what I said and treat it as another rumor.
Last but not least, wishing all our kids to be success in studying and future career.
FS
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 14-12-4 20:36
FS 發表於 14-12-4 18:09
Dear all moms,
In the past years, I have learnt a lot from this forum. I always get some valuable s ...
作者: wilsonyeung813 時間: 14-12-5 18:03
本帖最後由 wilsonyeung813 於 14-12-5 18:05 編輯
Not sure if this is true. It is not conclusive that local unis like HKU and CUHK do not accept CHINESE students taking chinese B.
I was from a local school and transferred to a IS after F4 (was ranked like over 100 out of 160 in F4 sosad, fwiw its a famous but declining Band 1B-C boys school). i took Chinese B HL and was rejected by both CUHK and HKU (social sciences) when i applied in dec.. after the release of results, I appealed to both universities and was accepted.. this is a clear evidence that local universities do accept local Chinese students even if they transfer from local schools to ISs.
i also know three classmates who got into HKU Law and information systems by taking Chinese B SL. (they are Chinese, but studied in IS since yr 1)
anyway, its harder and harder to get into "big 3" through non-jupas nowadays as there are more IB kids. back in 2012 or sth, the conditional offer for HKU social science was 34 pts, now 36 pts. (heard the offer was even lower, like 32 or sth b4 2012, not sure if its true though) So im not surprised if the admission policy on local Chinese students will become tighter and more rigorous in the future. Chinese B HL (which is like P.6 CHINESE LOL) may not be preferred in the future..
its still easier to get into "big 3" non-competitive programs (so sci, sci, normal BBA, engine, etc) through IB in comparison to DSE. no way i can get into hku so sci if i took DSE lol... (may not even get into "big 8", not exaggerating)
(HKU So Sci IB conditional offer: 36, ~80% percentile, DSE So Sci minimum: 26, ~95% percentile, so unfair to DSE candidates)
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-6 18:57
bobbycheung 發表於 14-12-4 20:36
A lot of people are just like me - 噏得就噏。 So don't take what we say so seriously. As long as yo ...
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 14-12-6 19:22
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caa 發表於 14-12-6 18:57
冇人噏得就噏，是那位School counselor 的資料太奇異，明明美國大學唔會出 conditional offer，那位 school ...
噏得就噏係指有D人講野， 得罪人多, 稱呼人少。
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-7 12:03
caa 發表於 14-12-6 18:57
冇人噏得就噏，是那位School counselor 的資料太奇異，明明美國大學唔會出 conditional offer，那位 school ...
Yes. I have same feeling. The counsellor is not providing genuine information.
He definitely has is agenda. He seems to be pushing students to do either bilingual diploma or choosing a european language instead. He stresses chinese b is not generally acceptable by universities. In the end since chinese a is so hard, I think the majority of students would choose european language ab initio. And since ab initio is very easy, the grades would be high. This is probably a strategy of the school trying to push for a higher school average.
While I do believe, local universities might have certain views of student with local school background taking chinese b (local school students should indeed take chinese a), I do not believe universities in the uk or the us care as much.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 14-12-7 15:17
nintendo 發表於 14-12-7 12:03
Yes. I have same feeling. The counsellor is not providing genuine information.
He definitely has i ...
作者: KoWY72 時間: 14-12-16 14:32
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作者: caa 時間: 14-12-17 12:17
事實上冇可能全部人bilingual diploma，如能力所及，鬼唔知呀媽係女人，中文A一定冇死，不用School Counselor 都識講。
在國際學校讀書的學生接觸中文確是比英文少，冇可能個個第二語言(Group 2)也一定是A(即 native 程度)，不如advise 中國人不要讀國際學校？or should the School Counselor advise the board not to let the school take IB?
作者: KoWY72 時間: 14-12-17 13:25
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作者: caa 時間: 14-12-17 14:47
本帖最後由 caa 於 14-12-17 15:26 編輯
KoWY72 發表於 14-12-17 13:25
那School Consellor的意見很清晰，中國人在中國城市長大不宜揀中文language B，硬要揀也不代表入不到名大學 ...
Not sure what grade's parents that School Counselor was addressing to. it can't possibly be up to the parents or students to choose chinese or other modern language if the kids are already past lower secondary and they have never learnt modern language other than chinese. So maybe the School Counselor better advise the school to require every chinese student to learn either French, Spanish, German etc if the students' chinese can't be at native level given the international school's first language is english
作者: KoWY72 時間: 14-12-17 17:19
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作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-17 17:26
聰明爸，其實唔需要當gsis的方法先係最好，好多其他學校學生（包括本地ib school）都有好好的offer。
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-17 17:48
本帖最後由 caa 於 14-12-17 17:50 編輯
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Don't know if you are referring to Hong Kong or elsewhere. And not sure which school except GSIS meets your definition of prestigious. And not sure if you know what's meant by "require". I believe CIS is the one that has the longest history of taking IB. CIS only offers French or Spanish as elective but not a "required" subject.
作者: KoWY72 時間: 14-12-17 18:01
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作者: tingtingting 時間: 14-12-17 18:16
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KoWY72 發表於 14-12-17 18:01
... In fact many students in those prestigious IS have already learnt 3 languages，e.g. in CIS...
That's interesting. In fact, CIS is one of those schools which is trying hard to make their students do Chinese A. Ask a CIS parent.
作者: KoWY72 時間: 14-12-17 18:44
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作者: caa 時間: 14-12-17 19:03
知少少扮代表，英文唔係特別好，又學人咬文嚼字
作者: KoWY72 時間: 14-12-17 19:15
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作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-17 19:24
唔知聰明爸幾時比版主封戶？
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-17 19:24
對號入座
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-17 19:54
KoWY72 發表於 14-12-17 19:15
我知的不比你少，分析及理解肯定比你叻，亦無扮代表。至於咬文嚼字，你有本事嗎？
我一向英文最差，不過你 ...
作者: KoWY72 時間: 14-12-17 20:26
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作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 12:20
In fact many students in those prestigious IS have already learnt 3 languages，e.g. in CIS, ESF，HKIS
不過是因為我估唔到竟然CIS不會要求學生至少要學三種語言。
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既然唔知，可唔可以唔好亂講。
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-18 14:40
本帖最後由 caa 於 14-12-18 14:41 編輯
Can't find IS (maybe except gsis) that require 要求 students to learn chinese plus another modern language making up 3 together with english. Based on the school websites, hkis (which actually doesn't do IB but AP) offers Chinese as elective from G6 and CIS offers French and Spanish as electives too. Electives mean those subjects are not compulsory. Even schools in UK doing igcse (which gsis followed or is still following I am not sure) do not require (or even encourage) students to learn 3 languages.
作者: nintendo 時間: 14-12-18 23:39
caa 發表於 14-12-17 19:24
對號入座
有些人，就是一而再的對號入座。
作者: samsam123321 時間: 14-12-19 13:39
本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 15-12-23 20:23 編輯
del.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 14-12-19 16:34
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 14-12-19 17:59 編輯
睇返 IB website, Group 1 寫明 "Students will choose to study their group 1 subject(s) in a language in which they are academically competent."
http://www.ibo.org/en/programmes ... age-and-literature/
而 Group 2 就話 "Language B courses are intended for students who have had some previous experience of learning the language."
http://www.ibo.org/en/programmes ... nguage-acquisition/
至於應該點樣 place 學生 in Group 2, 佢就話 "The most important consideration is that the course should be a challenging educational experience for the student, offering not only the opportunity to learn an additional language but also the means of learning, appreciating and effectively interacting in a culture different from the student’s own."
https://ibpublishing.ibo.org/liv ... _e&part=1&chapter=3
首先講明我唔係好識先, 費事講錯比各位插爆. 依度火藥味重, 差隻脚落嚟其實都幾危險.
我覺得大家申請英美大學, 梗係盡量選英文做 Group 1啦. 人地d大學用英文授課, 㨂都㨂個學生d英文係 academically competent啦, 點都好過話自己係有some previous experience of learning英文卦?
至於一個由細讀中文讀到大嘅中國人, 如果佢想揀 Group 2 Language B 中文, 跟足字面解, 我覺得好難話佢只係有 "some" previous experience of learning 中文 (Academically competent 可能係一個比較適合嘅形容詞). 另外, Language B 中文係唔係 challenging for him, 又或者係唔係 "in a culture different from the student's own.", 依d 因素可能都有問題.
當然有個別中國人d中文仲衰過d鬼仔都唔出奇. 一竹篙打一船人對佢地梗係唔公平啦. 不過事實係d大學每年收數以萬計嘅申請. 例如 Ivy League 講緊超過25萬申請一年 (申請英國大學就有66萬個申請一年), 個個都係尖子, 平均100個申請先收9人. 大學又邊咁得閒逐個申請同你睇, 梗係有得篩就篩啦, 所以有時大學嘅收生policy, 可能係有實際嘅需要, 而唔係玩針對. 但當然亦都會有個別嘅學生又得嘅例子, 但我地唔知佢會唔會係SAT考2,400分呢, 又或者有其他特別嘅因素救返佢個申請都唔出奇.
作者: caa 時間: 14-12-19 21:29
靠估冇痛苦
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 14-12-19 22:53
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 14-12-20 01:40 編輯
亂噏食忽得, 或者當秘笈
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-12-19 23:49
As a CIS parent, I am here to clarify some facts, not to argue.
All students in CIS will take English A, and are expected to use English as 1st language.
All students learn Chinese, at different levels. Even CIS has many "Chinese" students, or half Chinese, some of them only speak English at home, as their parents (or one of them) are not good in communicating in Chinese. So these students only have limited time to practise Chinese, in Chinese lessons, or occasionally talking to friends. These students will surely take Chinese B SL at IB diploma. CIS requires students to take Chinese (A or B) as group 2 subject, except very exceptional cases.
CIS offers French and Spanish as electives. Less than 20%, I would say, will continue until diploma level. This French or Spanish is taken as the 3rd language at IB diploma.
Usually, CIS does not have many students taking Chinese A at diploma level and getting bilingual diploma. This information can be checked from the school website. As I remember, the percentages of students taking Chinese A are between 1x% to 3X%, in different cohorts.
CIS university placements are OK, mostly attending good universities in US and UK.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 14-12-20 01:20
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 14-12-20 07:50 編輯
foolish.mom 發表於 14-12-19 23:49
As a CIS parent, I am here to clarify some facts, not to argue.
All students in CIS will take Englis ...
foolish.mom,
I hate to argue either. I enjoy reading posts by parents like you as I get to learn a lot. When I look at CIS's data, I notice that there were 106 students in Class 2014. As you said, all 106 students took English A. There were also 37 students taking Chinese A and it amounts to 34.9% (which, if you don't mind me saying, is not an insignificant percentage). Only 3 of these students got 7 points in Chinese A and the majority got 6 points. Had these students taken Chinese B instead, I believe almost all of them would have got 7 points. They sacrificed the 1 point and took Chinese A instead, was it because they want to get the bilingual diploma? Or was it because they didn't meet the criteria for Group 2? Or they thought Chinese A is better Chinese B when they apply to university? Any idea why this was so?
http://www.cis.edu.hk/data/files/gallery/ContentGallery/1_2014_MAY_IBDP_Grade_distribution__Gradedistribution.pdf
There were 63 students taking Chinese B (ie. 59.4%) and I wonder how many of these students had been learning Chinese at CIS since primary school.
There is no need to be modest, I think CIS' university placement records are amongst the best (if not the best) in HK.
I am not challenging or arguing with you. As you are a CIS parent, I am just wondering if you could tell us these details.
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-12-20 23:18
回覆 bobbycheung 的帖子
34.9% of 2014 cohort of CIS graduates studied Chinese A. But in 2013 cohort, only 11% studied Chinese A. So the percentages of students studying Chinese A vary from 11% to 35%. It also means majority of students (65% to 89%) study Chinese B. I listed out the data mainly to show that, despite majority of CIS students studied Chinese B, many students still got offers from good universities.CIS is quite loose to allow students switching from Chinese A to Chinese B, but the school recommends deciding the stream before year 11 (final year of MYP). The reason is that the emphasis of Chinese A and Chinese B is different. If a student switches from A to B in year 12, he needs time to adjust. The concern of switching is usually on whether to get a bilingual diploma, whether the student can cope with Chinese A, whether the student wants to challenge himself to study difficult Chinese. University application was not yet in picture at the end of year 10.
I remember that when school gave guidance to choose IB diploma subjects, they didn't mention Chinese A or B, because at that time the subject has mostly been decided according to ability. The emphasis was on which UK/HK university courses require which subjects, e.g. HL Chem for Medicine, HL Math and Physics for Engineering...The school, however, strongly recommends taking English Literature, instead of Eng Lang & Lit, as the former course is highly regarded by university language courses and law courses. I was also told that US universities don't care much which 6 subjects are chosen at IB, so long as the courses chosen are seen as rigorous enough.
Hope this answers your questions.
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-12-20 23:31
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Having said that, I feel taking Chinese B HL as the 3rd HL subject may really have some disadvantages for certain high demanding courses in UK. For example, while most Medicine applicants get 7's in HL Chem, Bio, Math, and a student gets 7's in HL Chem, Bio, Chinese, I personally think that this student's results are comparatively weaker.
Therefore, I recommend that if a student cannot take Chinese A in group 2, take Chinese B HL as the 4th HL subject, so that the student can have 3 other HL subjects to compare with A-level applicants in UK.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 14-12-21 01:46
foolish.mom,
Thanks! 講開又講, 其實CIS學生申請美國大學時多唔多人有 legacy status?
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-12-21 16:51
回覆 bobbycheung 的帖子
About legacy, the percentage of students having legacy of top uni should be well above average of other schools, but these students are only minority of the total student body.
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