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作者: Shyangjie 時間: 14-11-4 10:33 標題: my impression of the PN interviews in HK

read a lot of posts about PN interviews in HK...these are all kids around 14-20 months old, and they are already asked to know shapes, colors, animals, transportations, etc...

i feel very funny about it, aren't all those supposed to be taught by the PN classes? if you select those kids who already know all of those, why should i pay you again to teach them something that they've already know.

Feel like HK's kintergardens are so commercialized...only want to get those kids that are easy to handle and perform in classes, instead of really "educate" them to be a good person.

作者: schoolcat 時間: 14-11-4 10:40

我好認同你講既野, 亦係我既疑問!!!! 但無法, 遊戲規則係咁...

作者: tulipmama 時間: 14-11-4 10:45 標題: 回覆：Shyangjie 的帖子

I think education is not about education but about certification of education.

作者: lovecasey 時間: 14-11-4 10:53

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Only applies to hk education and those tiger moms

作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-11-4 10:53

Shyangjie 發表於 14-11-4 10:33
read a lot of posts about PN interviews in HK...these are all kids around 14-20 months old, and they ...

Very true.  Exactly what I feel.
Interviewing kids at such a young age is crazy to begin with anyways.

And the worst part?  Most parents accept this kind of crazy pressure being put on the kids.  They train the kids for this kind of interview even though they think it is not healthy.

作者: lovecasey 時間: 14-11-4 10:55

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Actually I have an impression that lots of parent love it.

作者: Charlie妹 時間: 14-11-4 10:56 標題: 引用：read+a+lot+of+posts+about+PN+interviews+

原帖由 Shyangjie 於 14-11-04 發表
read a lot of posts about PN interviews in HK...these are all kids around 14-20 months old, and they ...

返幼稚園主要唔係學呢啲，德智體群美都重要。你小朋友讀寶山ITT? 咪又係要睇背景同商業化……

作者: tulipmama 時間: 14-11-4 10:56 標題: 回覆：lovecasey 的帖子

I know, but when you are surrounded by tigers, it's incredibly hard to be a kitten......

I'm trying hard to stay away but all the kindergartens are like that nowadays, I also feel quite fed up

作者: sushimama 時間: 14-11-4 10:59 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

我都有同感，覺得考n班好似考k1咁，不過有些家長覺得考得深，而又收左佢個小朋友，這間就是好學校，講真呢幾日我見大家就是如此，st cat, 玫瑰崗，學之園⋯考既野愈深，愈難入果間，就代表好咁，但我真係冇乜見過post講下間學校有咩咁好

好似會收細b既，考淺指令既，學位多既，就比人話係又收唔係又收

我冇乜見到有人真正分析每間學校優點與缺點

我個人則是這樣分析

英藝，優點係校舍設施佳，師資唔錯，課程口啤也良好，缺點則是跟同類附近學校比較，學費較貴

約克，優點課程程度高，較phonics,教材新穎，校舍設施良好等，缺點有點填鴨吹谷型，對小朋友有較高學習要求，上午班只有兩小時冇校車

其他學校不能盡錄

這只是我個人意見，不喜勿插

作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-11-4 11:02

The Hong Kong education system is just too crazy.

They train people to become copycats instead of being creative with their ideas.

作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-11-4 11:07

既野愈深，愈難入果間，就代表好咁 <-- agreed.

I heard people saying this all the time. And people think 'if no interview is needed, then it is not a good school because all it takes is $ to join the school'.

And if you want to point out some weakness you experience in a particular school, then the parents will shoot you down as if you are spreading virus around.

作者: Shellyxlk 時間: 14-11-4 11:39 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

Yes it's crazy, and I'm also wondering if my girl already knows everything before her class, is she going to lose interest attending the class? It may not be too bad in kindergarten cuz it's mainly play time but what if when she's in elementary school

作者: Shyangjie 時間: 14-11-4 12:58

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my husband and I both come from very average family...i don't think in our case we got into ITT by our background.

That said, we like ITT a lot. Teachers are very professional and kind to the kids. I feel that they are considerate too. They'd ask crying kids to stay in the classroom and help sooth those crying kids. Unlike some other that i heard would just ask kids to leave.

I don't think my kid has a good chance of getting into BH. Of course she's the best in my eyes, but i see a lot of kids in ITT has siblings at BH already, and some others are from rich families (with private drivers). But my kid loves attending classes there, and I also enjoy spending time with her at ITT classes too. Plus the teachers are just wonderful. So we feel grateful and lucky. If she can get into BH, that's a bonus, but that's not what we can hope for.

作者: littlesiupui 時間: 14-11-4 13:47 標題: 回覆：Shyangjie 的帖子

太有同感了。點解小朋友返學之前要學哂啲嘢？隔離有個post話唔知靈糧堂in乜，我反而覺得係in得最開心，唱唱跳跳玩下玩具就係睇小朋友同家長嘅反應，下下都問邊個係蘋果，邊個係三角形嘅interview真係好啲咩？個人意見，不喜勿插。

作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-11-4 13:54

I believe some of the parents thinking is "let's do a super difficult interview to so called filter out the not as smart kids". But in my opinion knowing more at the age of 2 doesn't mean the kid is smarter.

Knowing how to solve problem, to me, is much more important than knowing how to follow commands and instructions.

作者: sushimama 時間: 14-11-4 14:19

所以有時唔係個教育制度問題, 而真係有些家長較喜歡學術主導的學校, 喜歡這些高難度面試。
但當然也有些家長只想簡簡單單, 有一個幼兒園這個平台讓小朋友快樂學習便可。

另一樣我很驚訝的事, 家長不只申請10間8間不同品牌的幼兒園, 甚至申請同一品牌但不同區的幼兒園, 大家好似很希望見到自己手上有10個OFFER, 其他細B/指令較弱的就冇OFFER, 又唔好咁快要交留位費, 俾佢慢慢咁揀到下年開學咁...我真心覺得好奇怪

我都是小朋友家長, 都會希望小朋友有好OFFER, 但我覺得好似大家都好誇張咁, 如人人係咁,我都唯有跟隨...

但試問,我們從前考大學, 從沒有想過要有5, 6 個大學OFFER 係手上, 慢慢分析揀讀間大學或邊科.....

現在只是幼兒園N班, 我相信教育是漫長的路....

作者: Looeysa 時間: 14-11-4 16:17 標題: 回覆：victoryu19 的帖子

agree

作者: babyjk2013 時間: 14-11-4 16:23 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

香港教育制度失誤求分數比求學重要！

作者: 964000 時間: 14-11-4 17:51

Shyangjie 發表於 14-11-4 10:33
read a lot of posts about PN interviews in HK...these are all kids around 14-20 months old, and they ...

Totally agree with you. My 20m girl is very shy and she felt so stressful and uncooperative with those interviews. She knew everything but refused to do a thing when she saw the interviewers. My friends told me I should join interview class to brush up her "interview techniques". I think this is so ridiculous, If the kindergartens will only accept outgoing kids, does it mean that a shy kid is worthless and no chance would be given to her to develop her social skills and character.

作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-11-4 17:56

Personally, it is not even a matter of outgoing or shy.

The idea of interviewing a 20 month old kid is crazy to begin with. Training a 20 month old kid to 'perform better in an interview' is even more ridiculous.

作者: ella_805 時間: 14-11-4 18:02 標題: 引用：Personally,+it+is+not+even+a+matter+of+o

原帖由 victoryu19 於 14-11-04 發表
Personally, it is not even a matter of outgoing or shy.

The idea of interviewing a 20 month old kid ...

Yes I agree interview process at this age is totally unnecessary. I was raised in Australia and even high school students don't go through an interview process, let alone toddlers under 2

作者: tulipmama 時間: 14-11-4 18:07 標題: 回覆：sushimama 的帖子

It is a vicious cycle -> people interview many with many offers -> harder to get offers in any specific school -> to be safe you need to interview more schools because you don't want to fail your only interview.....

作者: baby_112 時間: 14-11-4 18:10 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

Agree

作者: Miloeva 時間: 14-11-4 21:09 標題: 回覆：964000 的帖子

太同意了

作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-11-5 08:29

I think some parents like difficult interviews because it shows the school's intention to teach difficult materials too (somehow some parents enjoy asking kids to learn in advance ex: start writing in PN or K1, phonics in PN, etc).

作者: Chowandwoo 時間: 14-11-5 08:44 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

但係afford唔到國際學校同去外國，都只可以呻吓,最多keep reminding自己要放鬆Ｄ

作者: cpc608 時間: 14-11-5 10:48

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I didn't intentionally train him up for these things (apart from reading bedtime stories with him and him attending playgroup at Tutortime). A lot if these things come up in normal conversations we have on a daily basis. He could tackle his interviews so far without much pressure. But I know what you mean.

作者: charlieau 時間: 14-11-5 11:00

cpc608 發表於 14-11-5 10:48
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I didn't intentionally train him up for these things (apart from reading bedt ...

Yes, i think most important thing is spend more time with your children.

作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-11-5 11:30

charlieau 發表於 14-11-5 11:00
Yes, i think most important thing is spend more time with your children.

Agreed. I believe it is better to learn in a natural way (that's why I stay away from phonics etc and just let my son pick up languages naturally by conversation). I would rather spend time going to the park and play with him instead of reviewing or getting ready for tests and homeworks.

作者: tkity 時間: 14-11-5 17:59 標題: 引用：read+a+lot+of+posts+about+PN+interviews+

原帖由 Shyangjie 於 14-11-04 發表
read a lot of posts about PN interviews in HK...these are all kids around 14-20 months old, and they ...

Can't agree more!....the system itself is insane...

作者: tulipmama 時間: 14-11-5 18:12 標題: 回覆：tkity 的帖子

It's insane, I think the system is biased towards precocious toddlers, which is not healthy at all. Many smart people do develop more slowly at this stage......

作者: mrsmacaroon 時間: 14-11-5 19:47 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

Can't agree more with you

作者: Julybabe 時間: 14-11-8 07:31 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

ironically - will you be sending your kid to PN ?

作者: tulipmama 時間: 14-11-8 07:40 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

I have only one child so I'm sending him to a happy school so he has some social life.

My approach to choosing is mainly based on observing him during interviews. See how the teachers interact with him, does he feel happy with the teachers there, does he feel happy with the environment.

作者: cpc608 時間: 14-11-8 08:43

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I guess it's how we package the whole thing to our children too.After doing a few interviews, I think what's asked are not too unreasonable (but I'm lucky in a way cos he's already 20 months, so he's more mature).
Since young when we feed him fruit, we show him how the fruit looks like before it's cut, we tell him in day-to-day conversations that "orange is called orange cos it's orange in colour", "do you want to pass mommy the yellow banana"... when we eat biscuits, we count the no. of biscuits on the plate. We played pretend-play tea sets, plastic animals are our tea mates... etc. These things are part of his life.
Of course he may opt not to follow all orders during the interview but I accept that as it's normal that he's shy in front of strangers and I will still praise him every time after his interviews. I see all these interviews as my chance to understand the school instead and see what kind of elements are missing in our home education so that we can add those elements into our games at home.
I see it as our responsibilities to provide / expose him to what he should be learning, but accept him to learn these things according to his own pace. I am sure the children have absorbed what we say. It's just a matter of time when they are showing what they have learnt.
My two cents.
P.S. I am a working mom too and I admit it's hard work.

作者: cpc608 時間: 14-11-8 08:59

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最重要你知道她／他是懂的，那就好了。他們的臨場表現實在不重要，這心態是我們需調節的。但有些媽媽／爸爸說他們的孩子不能辨認顏色所以學校不應該考，這我不認同。因這表示爸爸媽媽可能需檢討在家中用的教材是否不足。家庭教育最重要。

作者: Julybabe 時間: 14-11-8 14:59

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We'll said. It's really competitive nowadays...

作者: cpc608 時間: 14-11-9 06:51

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看了這幾天的forum，其實父母不要太緊張啦～那麼多小朋友都沒有說話，其實大家的情況都差不多。可能學校狂逗他們說話，只想看看他們做到多少。我發覺我們in了的那些所謂happy schools (e.g. Cannan, Creative) 其實都問得好深。我想面試情況不一定反映教學情況。

作者: tulipmama 時間: 14-11-9 10:46 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

其實我一㸃也不擔心，香港每年出生八九萬人，能入Ivy League/Oxbridge 的不過二三百人吧？而那二三百人不見得全部都是St Cat等出來吧？
人生發展很慢長，而且每一個BB發力㸃也不一樣，所以現在interview 只有平常心面對吧了

作者: curryrice 時間: 14-11-9 11:10 標題: 回覆：tulipmama 的帖子

Well said

作者: ella_805 時間: 14-11-9 11:57 標題: 引用：其實我一㸃也不擔心，香港每年出生八九萬人

原帖由 tulipmama 於 14-11-09 發表
其實我一㸃也不擔心，香港每年出生八九萬人，能入Ivy League/Oxbridge 的不過二三百人吧？而那二三百人不見 ...

作者: mamahahaha 時間: 14-11-10 10:04

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樓主講出我的心底話，如果小朋友一早識晒，咁返學仲點會有期待同埋興趣？但件事係，呢D名校教的已經唔係SHAPES, COLORS 等等，而係更深更高層次的課程了....

作者: seaker 時間: 14-11-10 11:12 標題: 回覆：my impression of the PN interviews in HK

exactly...i was with my kid who is 13.5m last week for her first interview in life...she was asked to pick fruit...to be honest i do not train intensively on the skills that interview requires...i dun have such toys at home..but i do tell her n show her the real fruits..the point is..i will not ve all kinds of fruit everyday..she knows n remembers today..but cant gurantee tmr she remembers again.. she is juz 13.5 m kid...im also reflecting myself on the way to teach her..is my approach not interview oriented enough? if so..then should i change to suit this crazy game?! im wondering how the kindergarten teachers or sch themselves look education…

作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-11-10 11:22

seaker 發表於 14-11-10 11:12
exactly...i was with my kid who is 13.5m last week for her first interview in life...she was asked t ...

My believe is that learning through play and in a natural way is more healthy for the long run. So I won't train my son to fulfill what the interviews are looking for.
Pushing information to a young kid, to me, is not a good way of learning so I will let him pick up knowledge through play and in a natural way. Let him set the rules when he plays. Try not to 'teach' him the 'right way' of playing a toy. Instead, we let him try to figure it out (even though it may not be the 'model answer way' of playing a certain toy. We stay away from phonics at a young age. We won't force him to pick up a pen and start writing before K2. We won't ask him to recognize Chinese characters yet.

If education is 'interview oriented', then it is seriously wrong in my opinion.

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