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作者: Bean2012 時間: 14-9-28 00:19 標題: del

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好問題﹗我也很想知道IS的老師會否與學生討論這些事件。另外，個人認為學校固然有一定影響，家長對社會時事是否關心，影響力更大。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-9-28 04:05

I guess it depends more on the individual and the family than the school.

TVB Pearl, News at 7:30PM, 26/Sep/2014, the girl interviewed at time 1min 30sec is a student in ESF Shatin College ...

http://mytv.tvb.com/news/newsat730/189256
(above link will only be valid for another 59 days)

作者: Bean2012 時間: 14-9-28 16:07 標題: 回覆：國際學校學生是否不會關心政治

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作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-9-28 17:11 標題: 回覆：Bean2012 的帖子

由反國教、六四燭光、七一遊行到今天，我都認識一班同學家長在現場。

作者: steplovebb 時間: 14-9-28 17:52 標題: 回覆：Radiomama 的帖子

I think it all depends on the family
We watched TV yesterday until midnight bc we are concerned about the people/students outside the government headquarter

My girl is just 5 years old she kept asking me what happened and why they were caught by the police

I explained to her but I guess she didn't really understand 😊but it's good to let her know what's happening in our society

作者: annie40 時間: 14-9-28 21:49

小女的同學們十分關心政治，近期熱烈討論的包括：
以巴和平，
蘇格蘭獨立，
烏克蘭局勢，
南海被侵佔，
釣魚台被略奪的歷史
反佔中，佔中
巴基斯坦Teliban暴行
公義，公平！
世界霸權！

幾乎天天爭論，卻出奇的和平理性。

作者: foolish.mom 時間: 14-9-28 22:06

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My son's classmates also debate vigorously online. But to my surprise, many of them don't support "Occupy Central". The points are like:HK is too dependent on China, really no point to fight against someone who controls our wellbeing
Stability is more important than the supposed "democracy"

I am glad that they all made good points in the arguments. IB trains independent thinkers!

作者: bennyeva 時間: 14-9-28 23:16 標題: 回覆：Bean2012 的帖子

我反而覺得國際學校嘅學生會更常討論呢d社會問題，只不過佢地會理性同批判性咁去思考，至少會否出去遊行，就視乎佢地思考完個結果

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-9-29 01:45

Given the IB system trains independent critical thinking from a very young age, I too believe they are better armed in caring for and discussing political issues, but probably with a more international & logical worldview.

I think the concern of the thread is more about the students' attachment to Hong Kong as their home. For this, it does depends on the family as well as the peers within the school. I am guessing students from CAIS, KGV, Shatin College etc may have a stronger attachment then kids from, say Glenealy, DBIS or Kellett.

As a parent, my wish for the next generation is to be passionate yet logical in their approach to the world around them. 祝福香港。

作者: annie40 時間: 14-9-29 01:56

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世界觀很重要，關心自己的人覺得自己的意見是最棒，關心別人的人有能力看到更高更遠！

作者: WYmom 時間: 14-9-29 07:40

They discuss global issues, not just local ones. They do a lot of rational analysis and discussion since primary.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-9-29 08:53

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今早有高年級學生在校內派發黃絲帶，感動！

作者: annie40 時間: 14-9-29 09:13

孩子的同房是一位巴基斯坦女孩，因為堅持要上學，有天在巴士上被宗教政治狂熱份子槍擊，逃過大命，依然冒著生命危險去返學！

有人卑微的只想有書讀，不顧安危。有人為理念而罷學。

我的卑微願望是希望孩子能夠正常返學，我認識的孩子真的很喜歡上學。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-9-29 09:31

annie40 發表於 14-9-29 09:13
有人卑微的只想有書讀，不顧安危。有人為理念而罷學。...

These 2 cases may appear to be opposites, but the underlying message is the same.

Case A is someone striving for education, case B is someone striving for more than just education, both are striving for a better tomorrow.

作者: annie40 時間: 14-9-29 10:57

還有另一角度是被槍傷的其中一位女孩說，無情槍手在射擊前的手在發抖，最終開了四槍，射傷三位十三至十六歲的無辜女孩。這位槍手是在努力的捍衛其信念啊！

三個人三種信念！

作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-9-29 12:50

一個人為左信念，可以/應該去到幾盡，牺牲幾多其他人的利益，這是我們值得同小朋友傾吓。

我女仲細，之前新聞播伊斯蘭教將外國人斬首，佢問我，我都吾係講得好好，佢地都係支持自己信念……

作者: gogOBABY 時間: 14-9-29 14:17 標題: 回覆：Radiomama 的帖子

今早回校，看見很多老師和課室裏都掛上黃絲帶

作者: annie40 時間: 14-9-29 14:25

任何信念……的追求是希望生命更美好!

美好的生命, 能加进暴力吗? 利用暴力作手段, 开始时已澈底放弃了自己的美丽信念. 跟阿拉真神愈走愈远了.

作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-9-29 14:38

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真係吾識講，佢地教義係一手拿可蘭經，一手拿刀，可以不惜以武力逼人歸宗...世界好複雜，真係好難同小朋友解釋。

作者: annie40 時間: 14-9-29 14:50

我认识的拿可蘭經的回教徒十分和平友善, 完全不是这回事.

作者: annie40 時間: 14-9-29 16:20

Jane1983 哈哈，我識果d有d話吾埋，可能我發表於半小時前
***** **** *****
哈哈, 我简直是讲就天下无敌啦!

自己不想女儿去任何回教国家读书, 此乃用脚投反对票, 咪话唔现实.

我家的印傭很可爱, 心地善良, 常跟我分享可蘭經, 原来可蘭經的教义跟bible也有共通处.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-9-29 17:31

annie40 發表於 14-9-29 10:57
還有另一角度是被槍傷的其中一位女孩說，無情槍手在射擊前的手在發抖，最終開了四槍，射傷三位十三至十六歲 ...

Then you should realize who is armed with the gun :)

作者: hb12699 時間: 14-9-30 14:45 標題: 回覆：國際學校學生是否不會關心政治

This is really good topic for any level of students to discuss and prepare an essay form of assignment

For students to think in

History angle

Geography area

Economic view

Or cultural religion

Etc

作者: bennyeva 時間: 14-9-30 18:51

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foolish.mom 發表於 14-9-28 22:06
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My son's classmates also debate vigorously online. But to my surprise, many of ...

Good to hear that IB students have independent thinking and know how to respect others opinions! This is why I put my girl into IS path ....

作者: bennyeva 時間: 14-9-30 18:54

hb12699 發表於 14-9-30 14:45
This is really good topic for any level of students to discuss and prepare an essay form of assignme ...

Agree. Also media n cultural studies in Unj as well . I remember one of my final essay was about 911 ....

作者: Fish777 時間: 14-10-2 15:15

我都有咁想，會不會他們中文不大好，無咁投入呢？好像同個社會無咁投入？

作者: nintendo 時間: 14-10-2 15:27

foolish.mom 發表於 14-9-28 22:06
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My son's classmates also debate vigorously online. But to my surprise, many of ...

I also noted that the majority of my daughter's classmates do not support OC.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-10-2 17:13

Fish777 發表於 14-10-2 15:15
我都有咁想，會不會他們中文不大好，無咁投入呢？好像同個社會無咁投入？ ...

There are 2 types. There are the ones who are genuine foreigners who know they won't be sticking around HK for long, so naturally they are not that interested. The other type are those who think of HK as home, and because their Chinese is not good they turn to the English media for information and news, as a result they tend to be more rational and less polarized.

作者: Fish777 時間: 14-10-2 22:21

FattyDaddy 發表於 14-10-2 17:13
There are 2 types. There are the ones who are genuine foreigners who know they won't be sticking aro ...

That's my point, just relying on english media is like recieving second hand information in HK? Or is it what the parents really want so they won't be so readily brainwashed by the general media.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-10-2 22:35

Fish777 發表於 14-10-2 22:21
That's my point, just relying on english media is like recieving second hand information in HK? Or i ...

I don't think English media in HK should be regarded as second hand information, just like TVB Pearl News is not really second hand to TVB Jade News :)

The good thing about the English media is you'll find views not only from the local region but from worldwide as well, and digesting all of them tends to yield a more balanced picture.

作者: jolalee 時間: 14-10-4 05:17

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Usually that's the case, and I endorse a more objective, wider political view. As some school states, they are training global citizens, and that means they may not be emotionally affiliated as deeply as those grown locally (as of any country / city), for worse & for better.

This time around, I do notice at least 1600+ expat parents / parents bought up overseas endorsing Occupation central. Some expats even bought supplies to central / causeway bay in support of the movement, and I heard of a few Caucasians who took their barbecue equipment to central and cooked lots of food for the protesters :)

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-10-4 06:20

jolalee 發表於 14-10-4 05:17
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This time round, I do notice at least 1600+ expat parents / parents bought up overseas endorsing Occupation central ...

Because this time round it is not like any previous rounds, the last time riot police and tear gas were used was almost half a century ago in 1967, so it is not surprising that people who usually don't get involved are showing more interest than before :)

作者: wilsonyeung813 時間: 14-10-4 18:28

I know 2 students who studied in IS (both currently in HKU) speaking in front of the crowd during the protest. They do care about politics. But ya, they (even the locals) are less attached to Hong Kong as their homeland.

作者: FreemanM 時間: 14-10-7 21:03

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Fish777 發表於 14-10-2 22:21
That's my point, just relying on english media is like recieving second hand information in HK? Or i ...

We are miles away from Syria and we all know what is going on from the media. I do not think local non chinese speaking community would not get the information unless they decided to close their eyes and ears. I have asked my son who is now in Year 11. His friends at school know very well what is going on, including those non Chinese students. Discussion about occupy central is no less than discussions about ISIS at his school.

作者: JMM 時間: 14-10-10 15:31 標題: 引用：我都相信家庭是影響學生的因素之一，但感覺

原帖由 Bean2012 於 14-09-28 發表
我都相信家庭是影響學生的因素之一，但感覺上總是覺得IS學生會對呢類問題比效冷淡，吾知各位IS家長，你地既 ...

9.28我同老公都有帶阿女去金鐘政總附近，直到阿女親眼見到警方放第一個胡椒噴霧至走。翻屋企後，阿女一直留意新聞到訓覺前。之前阿女從來無興趣香港嘅本地新聞！阿女今年12歲。所以家庭影響比較大。

作者: vivicui 時間: 14-10-15 00:27

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作者: mugtaitai 時間: 14-10-17 21:24

vivicui 發表於 14-10-15 00:27
为什么你认为学生就必须要关心政治？

學生是社會的一分子，關心政治也很正常

作者: samsam123321 時間: 14-10-18 12:28

學生其實心智未成熟，雖然好多大人大學生都係，我自己覺得如沒有深入了解政治，只懂表面，不如唔好關心好過，免得被有心人利用。

作者: vivicui 時間: 14-10-18 20:41

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作者: jolalee 時間: 14-10-20 04:16

No one here said they have to. This discussion is more on whether IS kids are concerned with HK politics in comparison to LS kids.

作者: vivicui 時間: 14-10-22 21:56

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作者: Bean2012 時間: 14-10-22 23:01 標題: 回覆：vivicui 的帖子

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作者: jolalee 時間: 14-10-23 18:54

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vivicui 發表於 14-10-22 21:56
關心時事方可，認為關心政治，對於一個未成年人來說，想法是否成熟？政治本身都有色彩。我不認為未成年人關 ...

我們說的是關心政治而非參與政治, 兩者有很大分別。
關心政治可以站在多方立場看世事，為什麼那不是一件好事?

作者: hb12699 時間: 14-10-24 10:24 標題: 回覆：jolalee 的帖子

同意

關心身邊的事情,是學生們透過自己的知識去了解社會。例子，大部份專業學會要成為會員也要預備自己如何以自己的專業貢獻社會。等

認識社會是必然，如何認識社會的方法係重要？
國際學校認識社會是透過訓練ways of thinking 的方法不斷反覆訓練，有新的知識加入便有新的分析。這方法的好處係不斷尋求答案。缺點就是沒有知識back up 個ways of thinking 便變得單簿。

這種訓練是正反意見也有，並不單一。舉例，全球化為各國帶來的影響，便可從自然的氣候，經濟，文化等等做自己喜歡的範圍。

透過這些方式認識社會。

我見有啲grade 6 的同學做的assignment 係比較各地的選舉制度，如英國的上議院下議院首相制和總統制等等。都是一些令學生認識社會

作者: mugtaitai 時間: 14-10-31 12:57

vivicui 發表於 14-10-18 20:41
可以選擇關心或者不關心。但是認為學生就必須關心政治，實在無理

對，我都不認為學生必須關心政治，但如果有學生關心，我會理解，畢竟都是社會一分子

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