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標題: 弘立書院部份教師未註冊已偷步任教 [打印本頁]

作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-2-17 19:09 標題: 弘立書院部份教師未註冊已偷步任教

So desperate for teachers? As parents, how can we make sure school has complied with the required registration procedures?

《明報》今早報道每年學費高達18萬元的私立國際學校弘立書院，部份教師未註冊已偷步任教。教育局局長吳克儉今午回應時表示，教育局已向校方發出警告信，要求即時徹查事件。他又指教育局上周五已經與校方開會討論事件，引述校方承諾會檢討聘用教師程序。

吳克儉強調，維持優質教育是教育局一直以來的方針，學校必須確保所有教師，都符合教育條例要求。

作者: 小之爸 時間: 14-2-17 21:41

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作者: DREAMER52 時間: 14-2-24 21:20

i don't think we should worry about this news too much. It is true that the teacher should not teach without a valid local license but they all have valid license overseas. but they submitted the application already but haven't got a feedback from the government to grant them a license.

作者: slamai 時間: 14-2-26 12:16

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Not true. Some even hadn't submitted their application when the incident exposed to the public.

作者: cowmoon 時間: 14-2-26 13:26

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So do you have the insider information?

作者: ANChan59 時間: 14-2-26 14:20

slamai 發表於 14-2-26 12:16
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Not true. Some even hadn't submitted their application when the incident exp ...

That's not pure administrative error, that's system error.

作者: cowmoon 時間: 14-2-26 15:40

ANChan59 發表於 14-2-26 14:20
That's not pure administrative error, that's system error.

That's what I heard from my IS teacher friends (non-ISF), who are actually quite sympathetic about the school and teachers. Even expatriate teachers with education degree from college like University of Toronto needed to get back and forth several times to successfully get registered. And that's the fact that they can only start the process when the teachers actually arrived at Hong Kong ... usually just a couple of weeks before the school year commencement.
Anyway, that's bureaucracy and schools should find ways to handle it better.

作者: Amom1972 時間: 14-2-26 16:13

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作者: caa 時間: 14-2-26 16:32

cowmoon 發表於 14-2-26 15:40
That's what I heard from my IS teacher friends (non-ISF), who are actually quite sympathetic about ...

Though there is inevitably some level of bureaucracy involved, checking of authenticity of qualifications claimed to be held by potential teachers is necessary. Fake certificates is not unheard of. All these "bureaucratic" procedures are meant to protect our kids who will be in the hands of someone you don't know at all

作者: cowmoon 時間: 14-2-26 17:16

Agree that the school administration is the main party to blame. There are no similar problems heard in other schools before. Definitely everyone faces the same but why just this school made this mistake.

作者: hedonist 時間: 14-2-26 17:25 標題: 引用：Agree+that+the+school+administration+is+

原帖由 cowmoon 於 14-02-26 發表
Agree that the school administration is the main party to blame. There are no similar problems heard ...

Is there a public directory of teachers registered under EDB?

Maybe ISF is an extreme case with double digit number of unregistered teachers, but some other IS may have the same issue, not as bad?

作者: slamai 時間: 14-2-27 00:21

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Not insider information:
"教育局證實，該校十六名教師提交註冊申請表前「偷步」任教，已向該校發出警告信。"

http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=2756065&pid=38134723&fromuid=683961

作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-27 08:40 標題: 回覆：slamai 的帖子

I wonder if warning letter is too mild. Are the teachers allowed to continue teaching? How to avoid similar problems to happen again or is it also happening in other schools? A very big question mark?!i think isf was being 踢爆by press so how abt the other schools? V worrying and puzzled for parents!

作者: cowmoon 時間: 14-2-27 11:45

slamai 發表於 14-2-27 00:21
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Not insider information:

Got it! Then it is 100% the fault of school administration - simply did not submit the application before the school commence.

作者: 金瑪姬 時間: 14-3-3 18:17 標題: 回覆：弘立書院部份教師未註冊已偷步任教

失禮！

作者: ssant 時間: 14-3-5 00:20 標題: 引用：失禮！ +

原帖由 金瑪姬 於 14-03-03 發表
失禮！

Agreex2

作者: FreemanM 時間: 14-3-5 12:38

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作者: noplanner 時間: 14-3-6 04:50

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If I were a student who is studying in any class of the teachers involved, I would rather like them to continue with the teaching, IMHO.

作者: FreemanM 時間: 14-3-6 12:04

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作者: noplanner 時間: 14-3-6 12:24

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It is well known that they are not qualified - in Hong Kong - with EDB's systems. Yet, students and parents would also be in a position to tell - from their experience in the first two trimesters. Just my two cents!

(Edition, for the avoidance of doubt.)

作者: tingtingting 時間: 14-3-6 12:29

I'm fairly certain that all of the teachers at government schools are registered under the system.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-3-6 13:02

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noplanner 發表於 14-3-6 12:24
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It is well known that they are not qualified - in Hong Kong - with EDB's systems ...

So is it a problem with the teacher's qualifications or EDB's system? I'm not drawing or even hinting at any conclusions, just asking.

It is well known that some foreign medical doctors cannot practice in Hongkong because their qualifications and/or training are not recognized by the Medical Council, for all intents and purposes they could be perfectly competent and qualified doctors in their own country but it would be irresponsible for a Hongkong hospital to employ them.

作者: noplanner 時間: 14-3-6 13:25

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FattyDaddy 發表於 14-3-6 13:02
So is it a problem with the teacher's qualifications or EDB's system? I'm not drawing or even hintin ...

Thank you for sharing.
IMHO and just my two cents, it is a problem of how a school, its students, and their parents handle it when a problem arises.

Irresponsible? I will say it is, or at the very least, it is disrespectful (to EDB's systems).

A review of FreemanM's two questions prompted my earlier edition. Being qualified and knowing how is to me two different things.

Who else is in the best position to tell whether those teachers know how to teach?

Is it an responsible move for the children and parents if, in the middle of a school year, we stop them teaching?

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-3-6 13:56

noplanner 發表於 14-3-6 13:25
Is it an responsible move for the children and parents if, in the middle of a school year, we stop them teaching? ...

Changing teachers in the middle of a school year is disruptive for sure and perhaps not in the interest of the children or the parents, but now that things are publicized in the press the school ought to do something quick because the longer it is ignored the more damage it may cause.

作者: FreemanM 時間: 14-3-6 14:01

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作者: FreemanM 時間: 14-3-6 14:04

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作者: FreemanM 時間: 14-3-6 14:08

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作者: noplanner 時間: 14-3-6 14:18

FattyDaddy 發表於 14-3-6 13:56
Changing teachers in the middle of a school year is disruptive for sure and perhaps not in the inter ...

Let's hope ISF and EDB will join hands in managing this!

作者: caa 時間: 14-3-6 14:18

If steps taken by Education Department include verification of certificates, qualification etc. claimed to be possessed by the potential teachers, I wonder if the school had undertaken similar verification process on their own when hiring the teachers, given even mandatory registration with Education Department was overlooked.

作者: noplanner 時間: 14-3-6 15:11

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一沉百踩，何必呢！

是樹大招風，還是人緣唔好，還是 ... 還是只是充滿惡性競爭的香港教育，其冰山一角？

我無答案！

作者: FreemanM 時間: 14-3-6 15:27

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作者: caa 時間: 14-3-6 15:49

FreemanM: "Just the case that my parents claim that ......."

作者: FreemanM 時間: 14-3-6 16:55

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