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作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-5 10:19 標題: Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason ?
We received rejected letter by ICS with a radiculous reason "English has not met required admission standard" given my kid is a native English speaker. Just wondering if they reject all kids with same reason because it's a standard template or they don't bother to explain the true reason ? Anyone got same experience ?
作者: gwaichuchu 時間: 14-2-5 10:20
Hey I've got the same reject letter with the same reason. That is hurting my feeling honestly. We're not given a waiting list.
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-5 10:27
Got the same feeling. I understand it's gonna to be a tough competition for limited space but as a Christian school, they shouldn't make up a reason which hurt the kid's feeling. BTW our kid attended their summer course in Aug last year, they never mention my boy got problem in using English....
作者: gwaichuchu 時間: 14-2-5 10:36
Same here. My kid can't speak Chinese at all. So I presume he is a English speaker already. I can accept they say my kid is not out-spoken enough, but they can't say their Eng skill is not up to standard. My husband got very angry and I'm very upset
作者: c200 時間: 14-2-5 11:05
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I guess they have 2 types of letter,my girl is on the waiting list.
作者: minirat 時間: 14-2-5 11:45
This is quite mean...
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-5 12:09
They claimed their mission is to equip students with the konwledge, skills and Christian character to serve and transform their communities....However they're setting a very bad example in the application process.
Leviticus 19:35-36 "Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity...."
作者: 小之爸 時間: 14-2-5 12:33
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作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-5 14:36
I've no doubt about the high standard but "not met with the standard" is completely different from "met the standard but we don't have enough space". Franky I'm angry not because they rejected my application but I think they owe all the rejected parents a proper answer.
作者: readymama 時間: 14-2-5 19:08
Given the keen competition for international schools in recent years, the school has more choices of students and turns the school being a tougher one to get in or keeping a place with. But most important is you don't lose faith and hope for your kids as parents are the only know how bright your kids are. Language is not the only thing mean success to a kid. Other aspect of the kids e.g. ethical and religious which make your kids a person who knows respect others are also important.
作者: vinci_lo 時間: 14-2-6 00:19
They do not only require an english speaker, but they assess your child's reading, spelling or even writing. In their P1 curriculum, they are able to write journals in few months.
作者: vinci_lo 時間: 14-2-6 00:21
Many native speakers are being rejected because they are weak at writing. My friend's first child failed their interview and started drilling her second child at early stage.... Her second got an offer from ics as her child could read, write and speak English
作者: vinci_lo 時間: 14-2-6 00:45
I agree that they are mean and their standard was too high.
Their assessment last year
1. Reading a book
2. Retelling a story
3. Spelling
4. Addition
5. Geometry
6. Difficult general Studies questions
Ridiculous??!
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-6 09:39
I felt angry because they're not honestly rejecting an applicant by only giving reason using standard template. Of course the competition is keen, everyone understand there's little space and therefore they don't need to shift the responsibility to the kid by stating "not met with standard". Frankly even the kid met with the standard, there are no seats available
作者: c200 時間: 14-2-6 09:54
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Actually they have 3 types of letter as I mentioned it before.
1.Accepted(passed the interview).
2.On waiting list(passed the interview).
3.Rejected(failed the interview).
This happens in ESF as well
作者: christineyhng 時間: 14-2-6 10:41 標題: 回覆：vinci_lo 的帖子
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Sorry, I mix up. Delete my previous post.
作者: Shummamapapa 時間: 14-2-6 10:47 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason
I guess WnoahLam would like to receive some more specific reason for rejection. It is not about separate letters for waiting pool and rejection.
WnoahLam: will you feel better if they use more general terms like 'not meeting the admission requirements'?
作者: minirat 時間: 14-2-6 10:49
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Actually they have 3 types of letter as I mentioned it before.
作者: minirat 時間: 14-2-6 10:53
Shummamapapa 發表於 14-2-6 10:47
I guess WnoahLam would like to receive some more specific reason for rejection. It is not about sepa ...
作者: torunpoland 時間: 14-2-6 11:19 標題: 回覆：christineyhng 的帖子
Are u talking about ICS or ICA? I don't follow.
作者: christineyhng 時間: 14-2-6 11:32
torunpoland 發表於 14-2-6 11:19
Are u talking about ICS or ICA? I don't follow.
Yes, I mix up. Sorry!
作者: chubibi 時間: 14-2-6 11:53
The admission criteria are really harsh, and I can say a bit crazy. They are K2 kids only. Studying in international kindergarten, the kids are not supposed to receive any writing and reading training. They read and write for pleasure. This is also the reason why people choose international school. As a christian school, I don't think the school should issue a reject letter with such a reason that hurt kids' and parents' feeling.
作者: gwaichuchu 時間: 14-2-6 11:53
I share WNoahLam's feeling since I got the same reject letter given the same reason.
If what Vinci_lo said is correct (that they need to assess whether the kids can read a book, spell, do addition tasks, Geometry and do difficult general studies Qs), then I would expect they reject for the reason "your kid cannot spell/read" instead of saying they do not meet the English requirement. Which is quite insulting since WNoahLam's kid is a fluent Eng speaker.
Just tell us "the competition is keen, your kid cannot archieve part of the English assessment standard". Or else, just say "we cannot offer a space for her/him."
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-6 11:55
minirat: thanks, exactly what I want to say.
作者: c200 時間: 14-2-6 12:00
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WNoahLam forget about ICS , looking forward to other schools result!!!!
Good Luck
作者: gwaichuchu 時間: 14-2-6 12:06
有朋友小朋友入左，但唔見得佢地識寫識讀等等，所以簡單一句話我地小朋友英文水平唔夠，確實係好侮辱。你一係唔好比原因，要比就唔好比得咁求其。其實唔收，係完全可以接受的事實。我地唔會有異議，大家都知competition有幾keen.
作者: 小之爸 時間: 14-2-6 12:11
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-2-6 13:25 標題: 引用：I+agree+that+they+are+mean+and+their+sta
原帖由 vinci_lo 於 14-02-06 發表
I agree that they are mean and their standard was too high.
Their assessment last year
1. Reading a ...
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-6 13:43
To me, being rejected is expected as I already knew the competition is keen. However as an educator, the best way of teaching is to set yourself as an example for the kid to follow. On one hand, ICS is talking about honestly but on other hand, they have no guts to disclose the real reason "because we accepted too many applications and no more seat available". Instead they just pointing finger to the kid "you are not meeting the standard so you can't get in".
作者: 紅紅 時間: 14-2-6 14:49 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason
我明白樓主，去年我同囡囡報了三間，其中一間的reject letter就好類似樓主的，感覺好mean（亦是Christian school，好多用家話有愛心，但似乎只對圍內人）, 睇完個心好唔舒服，但另一間亦同樣reject, 但呢間就係話佢地供不應求，我完全冇唔開心！
老實講，我相信冇家長會因被一兩間reject而咁上心，因大家已知好多人爭，但學校的態度真的好大問題，一個4-5歲的小孩，有必要用能力不達水準去評價嗎？現在是見工嗎？So harsh!
作者: EEXELTOR 時間: 14-2-6 16:40
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紅紅，咁妳囡囡日最後選擇了邊間呀？可以share嗎？
作者: Chrisedi 時間: 14-2-6 18:50 標題: 回覆：EEXELTOR 的帖子
请問是否ics kindergarten interview?!
作者: Mighty 時間: 14-2-6 18:54
真係不用介懐！！ 我個女個同学、ＩＣＳ、ＲＣ、不収、ＳＪＳ収左、結果ＥＥ＋Ｐ６、不知幾犀利、科科都ＴＯＰ。
其実小朋友的ＦＥＥＬＩＮＧＳ，無話ＨＵＲＴ吾ＨＵＲＴ、又不是即場被批評
ＮＯ ＧＯＯＤ、ＥＥ＋是看父母如何解釈。 似乎応該是父母先釈懐、才可変回正能量。
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-2-6 21:08
Put it this way, if a school is incapable of preparing a rejection letter that is more subtle and polite, that is also an indication of their English standard, so why bother getting upset over it?
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-6 21:34
無報ICS，亦吾了解，但真系要睇開d。
朋友收到某local school小一reject letter，寫住“……表現欠佳，不予取錄”。她拿着信，笑左幾分鐘。5歲人仔，吾使踩死他的！
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-6 21:59 標題: 回覆：小之爸 的帖子
同意。
作者: 紅紅 時間: 14-2-6 22:02 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason
其實樓主只不用想發洩吓，因為相信佢不可亦不會對自己小孩呻。其實當時我自己收到類似信件真的好心痛，果一刻是自己控制唔到，自然反應。但當然冇同女兒講，佢根本唔知咩係interview, 每去一間學校我係同佢講去間新學校參觀同玩吓咋！
作者: minirat 時間: 14-2-6 22:07 標題: 引用：Put+it+this+way,+if+a+school+is+incapabl
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 14-02-06 發表
Put it this way, if a school is incapable of preparing a rejection letter that is more subtle and po ...
作者: 紅紅 時間: 14-2-6 22:21 標題: 引用：Put+it+this+way,+if+a+school+is+incapabl
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 14-02-06 發表
Put it this way, if a school is incapable of preparing a rejection letter that is more subtle and po ...
作者: Starrynite 時間: 14-2-6 22:50
We were also very disappointed with the interview process of ICS. Last year, we flew from Canada to HK for an interview, which was arranged at lunch time the day right after we landed. We were not told beforehand that it would take two and a half hours! Half way through the test, she was told to continue the test on a sofa as some students needed to use the meeting room. So my child ended up doing the test on a sofa in the corridor with jetlag and an empty stomach.
We were also given the same reason for rejection 'English not meeting standard', which we found insulting and surprising cause my child is not only a native speaker but her English was actually at least a year above her grade level, reading, writing and speaking inclusive.
Like the other parents here, I understand perfectly that competition was keen. It was not the rejection but the wordings of the rejection that hurt! Maybe It was my problem, I've had too high expectation of the school. Since they are Christian, I had expected them to be more understanding.
作者: YauMum 時間: 14-2-6 23:32
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Dear Starrynite,
Being a former ICS parent, I am sorry for you and your kid who had made great effort to attend the interview and ended up with a bad experience during the test. I would not be happy if the test was run in this way. It would definitely affect the kid performance and it is not fair to the kid either. Have you reflected it to the school?
When my kid was still there, I sometime, did not understanding the way they do either,e ven though we were there for years. We were glad that the teachers were great but we did not a lot of pressure on studying, as too many local Chinese families, they are demanding. I am not saying it was bad but it was really pressure to me and my kid. We have once though of transferring school when she was only junior grade because of the academic requirements.
All in all, we and our kid still love the school, she misses it so much as the teachers she had showed great love to her even she was not an outstanding student in the class. Now she left for other schoo, the kids still maintain good freindships and we, parents still keep in touch.
All the best to your kid.
To other disappointed parents,
I am the representative of the school, when I read this thread, I do feel sorry for you and your kids. Sometime, ICS does not really know how to handle the matter. In the past, they would discuss the results with the parents in full even they rejected the kids but I believe there are too many, they can't afford to do it.
If you are still interested in ICS, I would suggest to contact the school again for another interview after six months if your kid was commented 'English not meeting the standard'. Sometime, ICS refer to the performance at the test. Please be understood that the kids might have down performance in unfamiliar environment. Summer school at ICS and fall festival are opened to the public, it would be good chance to let the kid to have a taste of the school and personnel. Summer school is run by ICS itself, they also hire old boys/ girls and senior years to assist the teachers. So you might have chances to check it out on your own.
Well, there were a few stories may comfort you all. Years ago, some teachers/staffs kids/ sibling applied to the school from other IS, they did fail in the first time and they came back in six months for the 2nd test, then they got in. Also, younger brothers/sisters in ICS kindergarten also failed to go into elementary with their brothers/sisters. There are still a few families having kids in different IS. You are not alone!!!!!
If there is a chance, I will reflect your thought to the school, as we do go back to the school sometime.
All the best to your kids.
YauMum
作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-7 00:22 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason ?
Gsis also issues similar template letters.
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-7 00:24 標題: 引用：回覆+Starrynite+的帖子
Dear+Starrynite,
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Dear Starrynite,
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-2-7 01:19
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musicien 發表於 14-2-7 00:22
Gsis also issues similar template letters.
Apparently the annoyance is not with the usage of templates but the wording of the templates {:1_1:}
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-2-7 01:59 標題: 引用：Put+it+this+way,+if+a+school+is+incapabl
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 14-02-06 發表
Put it this way, if a school is incapable of preparing a rejection letter that is more subtle and po ...
But the parents with the blunt reject letter couldn't care less about the school. It is the parents' ego that was hurt.
作者: md23 時間: 14-2-7 07:53 標題: 回覆：WNoahLam 的帖子
Geez, stop being a cry baby.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-2-7 08:21 標題: 引用：We+received+rejected+letter+by+ICS+with+
原帖由 WNoahLam 於 14-02-05 發表
We received rejected letter by ICS with a radiculous reason "English has not met required admission ...
In the adult world, one has to get over many things that you have no control of. Have companies ever tell job interviewers real reasons for a reject? You will never heard from them, let alone a letter, or a reason.
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-7 10:13 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+14-2-7+01:55+
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作者: minirat 時間: 14-2-7 11:09
shadeslayer 發表於 14-2-7 08:21
Obviously you could not care less about the school's behaviour as your child is not getting in. Your ...
If I receive a letter for unsuccessful job application stating that my English standard has not met their expectation, and I find out later that that is a standard "templated" letter that they sent out to every unsuccessful candidate, I will be furious, whether or not this company is my ideal choice. At the same time, like you said, I will not be expecting an explicit explanation (especially in the case of a school, there might be over thousands of application) or even a reply, coz they have no obligations to do that.
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-7 11:37 標題: 引用：I+guess+WnoahLam+would+like+to+receive+s
原帖由 Shummamapapa 於 14-02-06 發表
I guess WnoahLam would like to receive some more specific reason for rejection. It is not about sepa ...
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作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-7 14:06
To YauMum (the representative of school) :
1) We send our kid to ICS summer course few months before as we want to ensure he is happy with the environment/teachers. During the whole summer course, "zero" comment received from ICS. To me only two implications: either our kid fit well with the environment/standard or ICS spotted the issues but not to take action
2) I'm glad that as a representative of school, you finally admitted that the root cause is too many applications. However it also mean that you guys awared of the issue but just to pick a most easy/lazy handling method and disregard people's feeling. BTW if you can't handle so many application, why accept from the beginning.
Glad to know that it's possible to reapply after few months. From the whole handling approach of ICS, it truly reflected the value/belief of ICS which I think my kid can't fit in cuz I don't want him to carry the "Christian character" you just demonstrated, Thanks
作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-7 14:40 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+14-2-7+01:55+
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作者: YauMum 時間: 14-2-7 23:09
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To whom it may concern,
I mistyped, I should be typing 'I am not the official representative of the school' but anyway, I responded here to let some concerned parents to know that they are not alone.
If my response just made it worse, I am sorry for it. I should not have responded anything on ICS at all in order to avoid unnecessary misunderstanding from now on.
All the best.
YauMum
作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-8 10:40 標題: 回覆：YauMum 的帖子
U don't need to feel sorry. This is a forum I think anyone can talk. I understand parents feel disappointed. I did when I sometimes didn't even get a chance to be interviewed after paying thousands of application fees. I wonder what happened to all the schools now and the system. But I do feel sorry that u were targeted.
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-8 11:08
To yaumum:
No need to sorry if u really mistyped. Anyway thanks for your information. I am going to take the case to Consumer Council to check any violation to the Cap 362 Trade Description Ordinance S13I Wrongly accepting payment
作者: Radiomama 時間: 14-2-8 11:30 標題: 回覆：WNoahLam 的帖子
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Consumer council?? Don't you think this is ridiculous?
No offense, I'm not a parent from ICS. Think before you act. Your kid is still young and it's a long road for both of you to learn and experience.
作者: 小之爸 時間: 14-2-8 12:10
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作者: nintendo 時間: 14-2-8 12:20 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason ?
Summer school at ICS is a joke. The student mix is horrible. Some students cannot even speak simple English. What can instructors do? In the end, time and money is wasted.
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-8 12:21 標題: 引用：送你一曲：劉德華+常言道鬥爭緊握了拳頭拳
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送你一曲：劉德華
作者: 紅紅 時間: 14-2-8 12:28 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason
投訴似乎有點over the top, 雖然明白你的不滿，但你投訴完佢對你自己應該冇乜好處，反而投訴過程可能令你更激心。不如留起你的精力及時間資源去報一些更好的學校吧。
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-8 12:33 標題: 引用：投訴似乎有點over+the+top,+雖然明白你的不
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投訴似乎有點over the top, 雖然明白你的不滿，但你投訴完佢對你自己應該冇乜好處，反而投訴過程可能令你更 ...
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-8 12:59
樓主投訴可能系講，比左報名費無得in果d。
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-8 13:05
It's never about the result so I am not seeking for appeal. I can perfectly accept failure as this is also the experience I would like my boy to learn from it. With the whole experience with ICS, I just get shocked by their attitude and mentality 1) they accepted applications (charging $1000) over their affordable capacity 2) they charged $700 for testing but they don't bother to tell the detail or compile a more professional report
If the society today agree a higher requirement should apply to commercial (transparency, avoid misleading) educational organization should not be an exemption
作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-8 14:01 標題: 回覆：WNoahLam 的帖子
Gsis charged 4300 for admission interview this yr. last yr 3800. What they reported bk r the same wordings as Ics. The letter to my fd is the same so they hv a template too. We r not native but our kids hv a gd standard of eng. I think if the school has no intention to take non native might as well simply reject our applications in the first stance. But this is reality. We all need to maximize the chance to get into gd schools. So the games goes on. No matter how unfair it seems. I empathize ur anger but I don't think the school will change because they hv so many choices now. Likewise to many other schools.
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-8 15:18
It's not just the anger. My boy told me he like the school and I explained to him we will find another school. And then he asked why he can't go. I told him I will try my best to find out the answer and never give up when u think it's the right thing to do
This morning, when we watched cartoon together, one of the character is crying cuz he can't get something. My boy said to the TV "try again, don't give up" and then he turn his head to me " am I right, Dad?"
I know finally i can't change much but i just want to set as an example to him.
作者: DreamKid 時間: 14-2-8 16:01
Some non natives cannot get in does not mean they do not take in non natives. There are a lot of non natives in GSIS. Nobody really know what they are looking for but they have their standard. If you want to know more details, you should ask the admission lady.
作者: kowloon08 時間: 14-2-8 16:15 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason
I got the same rejection letter last year and I felt so angry . Being a christian school, I am so surprised that they comment a kid so harsh and mean.
作者: cutie_sammuel 時間: 14-2-8 16:28 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason
I got the rejection letter and I got the same feeling as u. What kind of christian school is that!!!!!!!
So Mean and Rude and I never get this kind of letter before.
On the letter, it mentioned they sincerely value my child as a gift from God,we regret to inform u that my son's current english skills and overall performance would make it challenging for him to flourish and thrive at ICS with the amount of support they could offer.
He finally got to another christian international school and also have very good schools offer.
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-8 17:57
To Drama kid: I wrote to ICS right after I received their letter. No surprise no response from them at all
作者: hay.hay.ma. 時間: 14-2-8 19:06
Is "English has not met required admission standard" bad wording? What is wrong with this phrase? To me, it is straight forward and truthful. When I received the same letter from ICS last year, my kid applying for R1, I was hurt, too, but not because of the wording but the fact that my precious kid was "rejected". I happened to have a chance to talk to admissions and was told exactly what had happened and how my kid responded during the interview. It was fair enough to me. I have a feeling that 樓主 expected a personalised report for every applicant. But the reality is that admission decision is not a school term report. Can a school know an applicant well enough to give a more detailed report? It is down to a yes or no decision.
I just don't understand why and how the school was RUDE?
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-8 19:28 標題: 引用：Is+"English+has+not+met+required+admissi
原帖由 hay.hay.ma. 於 14-02-08 發表
Is "English has not met required admission standard" bad wording? What is wrong with this phrase? To ...
作者: DreamKid 時間: 14-2-8 20:00
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Please clam down. I was responding to musicien
作者: YauMum 時間: 14-2-8 23:29
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No one would expect to have prompt advancement of a languge in just a few weeks.
Summer school is not a preliminary test for entrance test, It 's just an activity in the Summer for kids and have a chance to know something about the school. When the kids come to the school for entrance test, they may settle down a little bit better. ICS also recruits the senior year students as assistants. Parents may observe more.
作者: seeker.email 時間: 14-2-8 23:57 標題: 引用：Is+"English+has+not+met+required+admissi
原帖由 hay.hay.ma. 於 14-02-08 發表
Is "English has not met required admission standard" bad wording? What is wrong with this phrase? To ...
作者: ikerberg 時間: 14-2-9 03:31
I could only say : including a reason for rejection in the letter is a very 'immature' practice and you could even say 'naive'...
作者: WNoahLam 時間: 14-2-9 10:48
The respond from the school reflect their integrity. The truth is they have no more space to offer despite the test result. Imagine if u being laid off from your company because downsizing, in the termination letter they said "due to your poor performance"...
Will u still think it's immature to ask for a genuine answer?
I started this discussion just want to prove ICS gave all rejected candidates with the same reason for my further action cuz They didn't respond to me. From what I heard so far they really used standard template. Thanks for everyone who shared your view/information
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-2-9 11:44
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WNoahLam 發表於 14-2-9 10:48
The respond from the school reflect their integrity. The truth is they have no more space to offer d ...
What is wrong with standard templates? You are saying this as though it is seriously wrong.
Obviously the school received a lot of applications. Among those they cannot admit, there are different types, according to their selection criteria, like
- English is not strong enough
- Child is not proactive enough
- Cognitive development is not good enough
- Parents not Christian
- a combination of the above
(I made them all up)
If they use a number of templates for replying parents, is there anything wrong? What does that have to do with integrity?
Just because they don't have enough places does not mean the real reason for your son's rejection was not English. It was an interview, they don't owe you a detailed evaluation report of your child's development.
PS. I have nothing to do with ICS and none of my friends and family's children study in ICS.
作者: Artie 時間: 14-2-9 14:21
本帖最後由 Artie 於 14-2-9 14:29 編輯
我自己一向都不是健談的人，尤其對住陌生人，有次和朋友去 shopping，售貨員推銷，我在聽，朋友和售貨員就有問有答，售貨員就誤以為我是外國回來香港的金山亞毛，以為我聽不懂廣東話，朋友笑說她自己才是外地人 (新加坡人來香港定居)。
小朋友情緒很難說，再健談的孩子，也可能突然唔想多說，惹來誤會。再精靈醒目的小朋友，考學校也有可能失手。
希望學校對每個學生都出一份 "獨特" 的 reject letter 是不是有點要求過高？現在的學校，動不動都申請者過千，要向每個考生給評語，應該沒可能，用 template 是正路。至於 application fees 和 test fees，我相信學校是明碼實價。
ps 女兒最近考大學，我們笑說，大學要多造幾個 紅色 "reject" 印。人生漫漫長路。
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-9 16:56
Artie 發表於 14-2-9 14:21
我自己一向都不是健談的人，尤其對住陌生人，有次和朋友去 shopping，售貨員推銷，我在聽，朋友和售貨員就 ...
我的理解是，從頭到底，樓主都是對自己小孩的英語能力信心十足（到底如何define native speaker，見仁見智，平常跟外傭說英語是否就是native？當然，我不是指樓主小孩，樓主小孩可能真是native speaker!）但是native speaker就是否代表面試/筆試表現一定很好？面試是光考口語的嗎？小孩臨場表現也很重要的，態度，應對能力，臨場反應等等。再者，家長有跟admission officer面談的嗎？有的話，我相信這個也會有丁點影響的。正如樓上部分人所說，我覺得單看reject的理由和wording，一點兒都沒有問題。只不過是樓主可能接受不了小孩被批為“英語能力未達學校要求”這個“事實”（“事實”我是指面試時的表現！）以上純為個人猜測，希望樓主不要介意並可以盡快let go and move forward.
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-9 17:18
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同意。上面有家長提到要考幾方面，論考writing和spelling，native speaker無操，吾會考得好過名幼小朋友。
作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-9 17:31 標題: 回覆：Jane1983 的帖子
總之難過考狀元但講還講我還是繼續參與。無計。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-9 17:39
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你吾係有ISF？諗住你可以休息吓？
作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-9 18:04 標題: 回覆：Jane1983 的帖子
I paid 4300 for Gsis. Will still go but actually no hope. They want native / near native eng level. As told by the admission officer. Back then I had no
Offer yet. So hv to pay la. Pay jor 唔去又唔抵。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-9 18:21
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比咗錢，當然去啦。
兩年前小朋友開始考IS，已經係度見到你，經歷咁多，大家都有著落，好！
作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-9 18:46 標題: 回覆：Jane1983 的帖子
Yes I like is but couldn't get in so went bk to local 兩邊走想死！too bad we can't join sis. So diff to get in!
作者: Jane1983 時間: 14-2-9 19:51
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吾緊要啦，ISF都係好學校，書係自己讀，讀得好，處處都出到頭。
作者: musicien 時間: 14-2-9 20:00 標題: 回覆：Jane1983 的帖子
Yes I like isf except that ppl seem to be 非富則貴。I'm just a v ordinary middle class family.
作者: JMM 時間: 14-2-9 21:40
我識嘅唯一一個ISF小孩就是家住赤柱獨立屋的！
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-2-9 22:10
Do we have to care about other parents financials?
作者: Peababylau 時間: 14-2-10 02:02 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason ?
Sigh... Take a deep breath and relax and just forget about this whole incident. It's just a little insignificant blimp in your son's life.
If you are so upset now.. Just imagine how stressful and tense university applications will be. Those will cost you much more and rejections won't even come with any sort of explanation. Save your emotions for bigger things in life....
作者: poohpoohmouse 時間: 14-2-10 18:09
JMM 發表於 14-2-9 16:56
我的理解是，從頭到底，樓主都是對自己小孩的英語能力信心十足（到底如何define native speaker，見仁見智 ...
Very well said. You summarize 樓主's problem. He thought it's an integrity problem because he genuinely believe his kid's english is good. The true reason for rejection is there is not enough places in the school. But........inability to speak chinese doesn't mean english ability is good. My kid can't speak chinese too but still he speaks a lot of hong kong english which is disastrous. Even if his kid is really good, there may be a bunch of kids even better. Don't forget the school only take a few students in addition to those from their own kindy. And the performance at spot is really important and sometimes it's a matter of luck. Once my kid failed an interview because he met his friend there and the two kids were so happy and excited that they play along and completely ignored the interview. Summer school is irrelevant. It's not equivalent to admission assessment.
My kid got lots of rejection last year too but so what. There is still a long journey for you (not your kid, I am sure your kid would not be as sad or angry as you are). As said, I hope 樓主不要介意並可以盡快 let go and move forward too.
作者: vivicui 時間: 14-2-10 18:55 標題: 回覆：Do ICS reject unsuccessful candidates with same reason ?
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