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作者: AEteam 時間: 14-1-21 11:34 標題: Any comments about ISF?
Please share your experience
作者: JMSS 時間: 14-1-21 11:57
i want to know too
作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-1-21 12:11
There are in fact loads of discussions about ISF in this forum. Have you checked?
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-21 12:58
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Why don't you read the old posts first and then come back with specific questions? There are several ISF parents here
作者: elock 時間: 14-1-21 18:08 標題: 回覆：AEteam 的帖子
I think you have to access the forum through a computer in order to search and read the old posts. The phone app does not carry this feature.
There are lots of discussions about ISF.
What exactly do you want to know?
作者: lw1123 時間: 14-1-21 23:06 標題: 回覆：Any comments about ISF?
I want to know more abt ISF too.. Would highly appreciate if the isf parents could answer.
1. 70% chi and 30% eng at primary right, will the kids mostly prefer to speak mandarin at home? What abt with their friends at school?
2. Is that 30% English enough for speaking fluently?
3. 師資如何？
4. 功課多嗎？still have time to play?
5. Do u think it's a happy school?
6. What kind of kids (personality, behavior) are their preference?
Million thanks for the reply
作者: elock 時間: 14-1-22 09:46
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Hi, by flipping through old posts or even posts to be here, you will see a variety of comments.
If I were you, I will utilize information that apply to students recently enrolled to lower grades of this school rather than those who are already in the secondary school. Reasons? This school is relatively young. Changes are on-going. Students who studied here long time ago will tell you their primary years are very free, in terms of homework or study. If you ask the same question to newly admitted students, you will probably get a different answer.
Personally, I have the following comments, but I can assure you there will be parents who will object my view.
Anyway, here it is:
(a) 70% Mandarin, 30% English - not true because not all 30% is purely English. This 30% includes the art and sports subjects which aren't taught in English.
(b) English will be poor then? Yes, this is in fact true. Many private tutors do have the same comments about students from this school. You may see the English skills of some primary students seem quite good. You should dig further. Either the students are using English as first language at home, or they have private tutors in this subject. Tutoring has been quite popular for lower grades students now, mostly in Mandarin and English.
(c) Composition of students. There are quite a number of students with Mandarin as first language. Caucasians are definitely the minority. So, in a sense, to those Mandarin as first language students, this school is teaching using their mother tongue (母語教學).
(d) School itself. Definitely an academic school. It's not really that well-balanced if you hope the school is also keen on sports, arts, and/or music. You may see on the website there are trophies achieved by the students. Yes, but they are representing the school. They are representing themselves. You must be able to live with the slow and sometimes sloppy administrative work of this school. Very often, the definitive details of certain event is given almost at the last moment. From the mouth of parents who admitted this year, they said during the interview, the interviewer was asking how flexible the parents' working hours are. If you look at this from a good way, the school may be wondering if you can join the volunteer work during school time. If you look at it in a different way, the school will prefer a non-working parent at home to guide the student's academic progress. Personally, my experience tells me that this school is not too suitable for working parents with fixed hours, unless you have reliable adults who can look after the academic part when you are at work.
(e) Teachers quality. This really depends which teachers your kid meet. Some are nice, and some are mean. It's really hard to say if the overall standard is good or bad.
Overall, the school is good and the students are generally nice. If learning Mandarin is your keen objective, then this school is definitely for you. Mind you that there is no "win win" situation. You will Mandarin, you lose English.
Lastly, this school is considered as private school and not international school. There is a difference in the definition between the two. ISF stands very well in between local school and international school in terms of work load. Anyway, I hope this give you an insight of this school from one the insider. Good luck.
作者: WKDRB 時間: 14-1-22 12:54
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作者: donut012 時間: 14-1-22 13:16
If you are a local hong kong family, you need to think carefully before enrolling your kid into ISF. Their mandarin curriculum is very demanding and it's really not easy if your mother tongue is not Mandarin and you don't have support at home. And you need to be prepared that their English standard will not be as high as other international schools. Almost all students have two tutors (Mandarin and English).
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-22 14:30
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You will get quite a diverse spectrum of opinions so take each one with a grain of salt. There are enough ISF parents here that you can get a decent feel without relying on "i heard from such and such friend" hearsay. The situation is also very different between lower and higher grades. The secondary school is still very much a work in progress while the primary school has worked out a lot of kinks and is pretty solid.
1) Kids will speak to each other in PTH and English and switch at will. At home, you can speak whatever you like since it is very diverse from Cantonese, PTH, English to Spanish, Japanese, …..
2) Yes, almost all speak English fluently. But speaking is the easy part. The English curriculum is OK though not as strong as the Chinese. Reading level of students vary. The best English readers will be on par with the best students in IS and the best Chinese readers will be on par with the best readers in LS. There are students who has solid preference for one language and there are some who read English at IS level and Chinese at LS level. It really depends on the family and the child. English will be behind in early primary relative to IS. Children will catch up and if you want to learn more, you should read up on bilingual immersion research yourself.
3) There are very good teachers and not so good teachers. Kind of depends on your luck. Expect native speakers from China and Taiwan in Chinese and native speakers from Australia, NZ and the US in English. The Chinese teachers are of quite high standard and the English teachers are decent though not as consistent.
4) We don't do tutorials at all and have time for non-academic activities. HW is hardly ever over 1 hour on weekdays
5) What does happy school mean anyway? It is quite an academic school and is demanding from a language perspective. It is not one that encourage students to get tutorial or high marks (since there really aren't scores anyway). The non-academic side is work in progress and the school is taking a look at over-hauling a lot of those programs now.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-22 14:31
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Are your opinions based on your own experience or hearsay?
作者: elock 時間: 14-1-22 14:47 標題: 回覆：donut012 的帖子
Agreed 100%.
Even though the school says one does not need to know Mandarin in order to get into Foundation Year, even the Caucasian students are actually from bilingual kindergartens. Yes, one may still get admitted without knowing Mandarin, but you aren't at similar starting point as your classmates. Guess what will then happen!!
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-22 15:18
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I am really not sure one can get in these days without knowing some Mandarin. It was possible a few years ago and I do know several kids who didn't know a word of Mandarin when they started Foundation. Not sure if this is good or bad though. Bilingual immersion need native speakers of both languages so the school does need native English speakers. At the same time, it is difficult for the teachers to teach Chinese when you have some child who doesn't know a word and some who can read simple books on their own.
作者: donut012 時間: 14-1-22 15:58 標題: 回覆：HKTHK 的帖子
My niece goes to ISF so I guess you can say it's somewhat personal experience.
作者: caa 時間: 14-1-22 18:13
WKDRB 發表於 14-1-22 12:54 
簡單地回答你ISF是間怎樣的學校：
「在中學部，不少父母正努力為子女轉校」
作者: WKDRB 時間: 14-1-22 18:18
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作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-22 18:56
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Very long response that doesn't answer the question, 辦學手法有什麼問題?
作者: WKDRB 時間: 14-1-22 19:20
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作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-22 19:38
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作者: annie40 時間: 14-1-22 21:35
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各類父母對孩子的學業期望各有不同，曾見識有家長認為讀oxbrige是委屈了她的孩子呢！人比人容易比死人，學校亦如是。
總括了解，這間學校算是新校，在努力中，師資高，各方面配套完善，課程在改革，收生趨向嚴格，我看不出有何大問題！
註：本人不是ISF家長，只認識一些就讀家庭和幾位教師朋友。
作者: WKDRB 時間: 14-1-22 22:53
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作者: hkparent 時間: 14-1-22 23:07 標題: 引用：Quote:annie40+發表於+14-1-22+21:35+回覆+
原帖由 WKDRB 於 14-01-22 發表
你看不出有大問題，但我朋友的孩子在ISF讀得不錯，卻努力轉校，用腳來表示不滿。我朋友不是很奄尖的人，但 ...
From the sharing of different parents, CKY and ISF look similar and one of the common problems is students find it not easy to change to either a LS or an IS. Because they don't follow a particular curriculum, they are unique. That's a dilemma.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-22 23:12
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Of course there are issues in the Secondary School. I already said it is a work in progress, i.e. it is not ready yet. Given your history here, your 動機 is highly suspect. You have zero credibility.
作者: WKDRB 時間: 14-1-22 23:22
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 14-1-22 23:23
hkparent 發表於 14-1-22 23:07
But ISF's average IB score is improving year by year.
From the sharing of different parents, CKY an ...
作者: caa 時間: 14-1-22 23:25
HKTHK 發表於 14-1-22 23:12
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Of course there are issues in the Secondary School. I already said it is a work ...
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-23 01:26
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In the old days, both. The curriculum is supposed to take kids from K3 to IB DP, with most taking Chinese A and English A. That is a very difficult challenge and not something that has been done before. Even today, not many schools make such an attempt with the exception of CKY and maybe VSA. It takes time to build that whole curriculum up and the early classes basically became guinea pigs. The school is only 10 years old this year and for the children who started in Grade 1 and are in secondary today, they basically joined a school with no history. Not sure why anyone who joined a 2 year old school with no history would think it is not an experiment but they probably cannot analyze themselves out of a paper bag. The school also went through a very tough period after the departure of its first principal. Given all these historical problems, the early classes suffered.
The curriculum in secondary is still being worked on and I would imagine it would take more iterations to get the transition from primary to MYP to DP right. The primary curriculum is robust now especially on the Chinese side. The school also experiments with its curriculum, sometimes with several classes and sometimes for the whole grade for a year, and then settle on what works best and this takes time. In primary, the next upgrade needed is in the English curriculum and a vice principal just joined to take that lead.
As for faculty, it is improving over time and we are happy with the teachers we have had so far but we may just be lucky. There are parents who are very unhappy about teachers as well. It is difficult to recruit IB qualified teachers since there is keen competition amongst schools in HK and also other IS abroad. In the early days, ISF simply didn't have the clout to get good teachers. Who wants to work for a new IB school with unproven curriculum and administration (the first principal has bilingual immersion but not IB DP background)? The principals now, both head of school and secondary, are experienced IB DP educators. These are the type of administrators that IB teachers want to work for.
作者: AEteam 時間: 14-1-23 04:55
Thanks for all the comments. I guess different people have different views and standards. However, it is good to have diversified opinions. My child is gifted. He has obtained an offer from CDNIS and ISF, we are thinking if these schools are good for him or we should just let him go to the local stream and enter him in the lucky draw for St Joseph / Wah Yan. We want our son to be good in both English and Chinese. Given that he likes to read and learn new things, we think an academic school will be more suitable. We are worried that the local schools might be too harsh on him and is not good for his development. However, we are also worried that IS might not be good for him in terms of academic. It's kind of a dilemma here. we could not even make up our minds on local or international stream, let alone which school should we go to........Sigh, it is too difficult to make decision.
作者: caa 時間: 14-1-23 07:32
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As you said secondary is still being built on, do you think existing students of secondary especially those at higher grades are still guinea pigs? And if English of primary school still needs improvements, are existing and esp upper primary students still also guinea pigs?
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-23 10:22
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In higher grades, yes, I would say so. In primary, there will always be fine tuning. You will have to decide whether you like a school that experiments with its curriculum to make it better.
作者: caa 時間: 14-1-23 11:25
HKTHK 發表於 14-1-23 10:22
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In higher grades, yes, I would say so. In primary, there will always be fine tunin ...
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-23 12:41
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You seem to think there is something wrong with being guinea pigs. I don't see things that way and pretty sure this does not come as a surprise to senior secondary parents. If you are working in a start-up, do you expect things to run perfectly? This is the reason why the school has considerably more teachers than justified in senior secondary given the size of their graduating class
作者: cowmoon 時間: 14-1-23 12:56
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You may consider to take the ISF offer and still take the lucky draw for local schools next year. Some students do switch to local stream in grade 1. ISF provides a very good Mandarin curriculum in foundation year.
作者: cowmoon 時間: 14-1-23 13:09
HKTHK 發表於 14-1-23 01:26
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In the old days, both. The curriculum is supposed to take kids from K3 to IB DP, w ...
Continuous review and fine-tuning of curriculum are very normal in all international schools. If the schools have set up dedicated positions for "Head of Curriculum" for different subjects, people are expecting improvement in curriculum year over year, right?
But the changes are continuous and must align with the students' readiness. A good school is one that looks into the learning needs for students and provide differentiated instructions.
作者: caa 時間: 14-1-23 13:10
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You are kind of contradicting while you commented "Not sure why anyone who joined a 2 year old school with no history would think it is not an experiment......the earlier classes suffered." and then went on to saying "You seem to think there is something wrong with being guinea pigs. I don't see things that way".
Maybe I am wrong, but I just think why must a new school be destined to struggle or fail to deliver its vision and mission at startup? Actually IB is not a new thing in the world or even in HK . In addition, aren't there plenty of research studies etc. on teaching if one looks around with a global perspective? Why would a school open its door to accept students (who only live once) if it has not yet been well prepared and is still "experiencing"? I believe the school has never made any represention to any parents (including those in higher grades) that it is an "experiment". I guess given it short history, parents of higher grades put their kids in ISF based on its stated vision and mission. If it fails to deliver its stated vision and mission, then parents surely should be entitled to be "surprised".
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 14-1-23 13:20 標題: 回覆：Any comments about ISF?
However, we are also worried that IS might not be good for him in terms of academic.
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Why do you think that way? If you look at top IS, their university placements have been very good. Do you think they all got in without a solid academic foundation? What do they got into Ivy and Oxbridge with?
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-23 13:21
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Those statements are not contradictory. You are mixing up the then and now.
A school should only open its door when perfect? Start-ups should only start service when perfect? I don't know what world you live in. But I would love to know which school is perfect in HK or the world.
作者: annie40 時間: 14-1-23 13:39
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每间学校总有人读得非常挟意, 有人非常痛苦, 我的那间开学五个月, 同级已有第三位孩子因吸毒而被劝退了, 而我却依然是位满足的家长, 只是等离校的孩子和父母担心,邻居男孩子是同校师兄, PG是45, 如无意外, 今年入中大医科. 令郎念的那间, 也有老是数落学校的家长们, 我是左耳入, 右耳出算了. 不当一回事!
你朋友是很合理的家长, 人以群分, 我是真心相信你的评价的.
从来是很大路的人, 看事情只看大纲领方向, 看管理层, 看学生态度, 看图书馆, 其他家长的各类回响, 难免会带点个人化的sentimental.可以留意, 存档来参考, 却时刻警惕不能以偏盖全.
ISF 是一间对学习中文很有前瞻性的学校, 难免被怀疑英文水平, 而这类怀疑是十分合理的. 因此他的总IB 分有可能被英语水平拖低也正常. 如果有天ISF 的IB 平均分比CIS 高, 而billigual diploma (english A + chiense A) , 又高于60% 以上, 便是教育圈的重大成就, 其他学校应于向之取经了..
念ISF 家长所求的, 中文是重大部分, 未必全然跟ESF, GSIS, CIS 的教育课程的期盼相等. 因此用ESF或主流IS 的脑袋来评估ISF 而发现不少: 人有我无, 人无我有的差异条件, 亦是很合理!
作者: annie40 時間: 14-1-23 13:57
WKDRB 我的分析力這裡有誰能及，有何supporting evidence來質疑我的credibility! 發表於 昨天 23:28
******* ****** ****
算你全部的是高见, 也请接纳我的低见.
有家长喜欢孩子的英语超超班, 中文写少少就得勒.
有家长喜欢孩子的中文有文学修养, 英文能沟通便好
有家长中英两边要极好,是真的学贯中西
有家长两者不要, 只想孩子懂得'发达之道'
孩子快乐, 父母安乐, 没有必要的方程式!!!
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-23 14:16
"我的分析力這裡有誰能及，有何supporting evidence來質疑我的credibility"
Just as mentally disturbed as before. 
作者: tingtingting 時間: 14-1-23 14:22
HKTHK 發表於 14-1-23 14:16
"我的分析力這裡有誰能及，有何supporting evidence來質疑我的credibility"
Just as mentally disturbed a ...
作者: kidslover2010 時間: 14-1-23 14:34
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作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 14-1-23 14:41
annie40 發表於 14-1-23 13:57
有家长喜欢孩子的英语超超班, 中文写少少就得勒.
有家长喜欢孩子的中文有文学修养, 英文能沟通便好
有家长中英两边要极好,是真的学贯中西
没有必要的方程式!!!
However, there are only 24 hours in a day, so a gain in one area is always accompanied by a loss in some other area, spend more time on one subject then another is going to suffer. Be greedy and spend more time on all subjects to become 学贯 in everything? Then there'll be too little time left for resting and both physical and mental health are going to suffer.
作者: kidslover2010 時間: 14-1-23 18:40
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作者: caa 時間: 14-1-23 18:51
kidslover2010 發表於 14-1-23 18:40
Your comments are fair and valid which can critically point out the nonsense and ridiculous "answer ...
As a matter of fact I never said a school has to be "perfect". I just said it has to be well prepared before accepting a student who is a human being not an experiment, not to mention the sky high fee it is charging. "Perfect" and "well prepared" 之間存在很大空間呢!
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-23 20:26
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Nice try. How much do you want to bet you get banned on this account too?
作者: caa 時間: 14-1-23 20:46
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"Stop being naive..."
針對事不是針對人 I agree with that particular comment made by "kidslover" no matter who he/she is or what he/she had said before, especially this is Internet forum where I don't know you and you don't know me. Why does one have to go back and check/bet what an unknown person had said in the past?
作者: Atticus 時間: 14-1-23 21:35 標題: 回覆：Any comments about ISF?
What I don't understand is why is ISF always so controversial? Some non-ISF parents would suddenly become very aggressive and start making nasty and even defamatory statements about the school and other parents who try to say some nice things about the school.
We are here to share our views. We don't necessarily have to see eye to eye with each other but please act like adults and make comments that are based on facts rather than speculations.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-23 21:41
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I take back my comment about you being naive. For someone who doesn't, or refuses to, understand the context of the discussion and the history of schools in HK, that actually makes you ignorant.
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 14-1-23 21:49
有時見到D針對某些學校如弘立，真係笑爆，有D資料不是錯就係過時，好似上文話好多家長逃亡、首先係有D但唔係好多，更重要這是N年前啦，而家2OI4，唔通仲話廣東道水靜河飛咩！
仲有呢D人，正如大部份EK家長，好聽D喺中產，難聽D喺IS家長中喺窮鬼（包括我），正如我在其他thread講過，弘立的層和一般平民IS或IB學校不同（但不一定更好）、弘立target學生唔喺我或你地，而喺資優生或有錢人，佢地角度唔同，你地D所謂問題通通多余，你話怕英文唔好，佢地惊中文差，你地話要FTM過份，佢地根本喺，or咪請幾個oxbrridge畢業生補習咯，你地怕轉唔到學，佢地點會抇心呢D事，反正最終都喺返老豆公司或有老豆安排，對呢D人，佢圈子D子女都喺個幾間學校，唔通去平民丨S咩。
所以呢D批評多余，等於你話用十皮坐頭等去歐洲痴線，你叫點回應你？
當然，如你孩子不是資優你又只喺一般中產，呢間學校唔啱你，都唔啱我，亦唔啱一D謮緊嘅家長。
作者: kidslover2010 時間: 14-1-23 21:55
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作者: 21Ckid 時間: 14-1-23 22:09
you don't need to be "sorry" , because by the way when did i say most isf students are gifted???
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 14-1-23 22:14
kidslover2010,
Again, i don't think i have "enlightened" you as i did say isf has many rich parents but i never said they are arrogant. But granted, there are probably more arrogant Ek parents here indeed.
I am really amazed, again, at how creative you are in reading other people's post.
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作者: musicien 時間: 14-1-23 23:30 標題: 引用：Thanks+for+all+the+comments.++I+guess+di
原帖由 AEteam 於 14-01-23 發表
Thanks for all the comments. I guess different people have different views and standards. However, ...
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 14-1-23 23:31
kidslover2010 發表於 14-1-23 23:20
//有D資料不是錯就係過時，好似上文話好多家長逃亡、首先係有D但唔係好多，更重要這是N年前//
Which info ...
1. there are relatively more mainlanders in this school, and
2. this school does not regard english as the only language on earth you should learn
For all negatives (some made up creatively), you really don't need that much details or analysis, just say these 2 facts, that explains it all.
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 14-1-23 23:40
kidslover2010 發表於 14-1-23 23:20
//有D資料不是錯就係過時，好似上文話好多家長逃亡、首先係有D但唔係好多，更重要這是N年前//
Which info ...
And as i said, i never said this school is good (or bad), only that it is "suitable" for certain families, not all. These parents just as different considerations from you (or others):
1. some treasure native english at all cost but some consider chinese as at least equally important.
2. some hated homeworks, but some think these are good to train up hard working kids.
3. some believe a school should be students of varying ability, but some like to school to push their kids to excellence
4. some believe a school to be a leisure environment, but some don't mind a FTM to take care of kids in outside school hours, and indeed many are very enthusiastic in volunteer work, they just love it.
5. some is very mindful that the students could easily switch school, while some never think this is a problem
etc etc....to name a few.
i am not going to rule this as wrong, simply because of different parenting method. likewise, i choose IS route, but i do treasue the good things in LS route, just that on balance this is my choice.
And, please, don't always blame the mainlanders.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-23 23:54
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Geez, I wonder why you have taken such a keen interest in this topic right after WKDRB is banned. Is there a groundhog day for morons too?
作者: type409 時間: 14-1-24 00:36
As an ISF parent, would like to share what I see:
1. It has been, so happened, only one student (out of 18) coming from mainland in my kid's class. Mainlanders will leave ISF as soon as they find out their kids cannot communicate in English.
2. From the above, you will know why some will escape, though they should have known the time allocation of English lessons in early years is as low as 30%.
3. About half of the students have at least 3 days/week private tuition. But no one will discuss it as it is very very common. One of the reason I heard is to occupy the kid's time so that he won't play iPad, watch TV etc.
4. Talking about all those super rich/celebrity parents, they are very very nice. If I have to say, arrogance is those expats.
5. Heard from an ISF teacher that the early batches of ISF students are most gifted…that's why these children need to change school. And that's why most of the teachers who work in ISF for longer time know how to deal with gifted kids. (My kid is one, that's why I know. But their help is more on emotional or social skill development, not on academic. I don't see any differentiation.)
I am not a fan of ISF. I put my younger one in another IS. Reason is very simple - every kid is unique.
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原帖由 type409 於 14-01-24 發表
As an ISF parent, would like to share what I see:
1. It has been, so happened, only one student (out ...
作者: HKTHK 時間: 14-1-24 10:40
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Oh really, you don't have much interest in this topic? Let's see WKDRB was banned at 2:10pm and you started on this thread at 2:34pm. I am sure it is pure coincidence! You are just as emotionally unstable as he is
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 14-1-24 11:07
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Speaking of behaviour problems, that rings a bell. I now know what's all the fuss about. Some person has such a problem. Guess who?
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 14-1-24 11:08
You people seem to have known this WKDRB or kidslover2010 a very very long time, an old friend of yours. Can anyone ring a bell who he or she is? He or she is such an entertaining person.
作者: JoJo 時間: 14-1-24 11:20
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Can't open this page:
http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2381459&extra=page%3D1&page=2
Some more hints perhaps?
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