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作者: Hebemom 時間: 13-12-19 13:49 標題: Cheltenham Ladies' College vs Cardiff Sixth Form
Just want to seek for some advices for these 2 schools, which one is better? Thanks.
作者: anglo-chinese 時間: 13-12-19 19:35
I dunno cardiff, but cheltenham ladies is one of the best girls school in UK.
had a student who did her IB 6th form just 1 year ago. she got very good results (unconditional offer with one of the ivy league school)
作者: CPU1995 時間: 13-12-19 19:49
CSF:
Brilliant A Level Exam; somehow Exam Factory; No half-term break; No boarding house; Team break drilling papers; Living in host families; No spare time for ECAs; Ideal for targeting Medicine and Law.
CLC:
Really an ideal typical school with heritage and culture; students can enjoy school life and UK culture and not an exam factory at all.
作者: Hebemom 時間: 13-12-19 21:03
Thanks Anglo-Chinese and CPU1995.
What if you need to choose amongst the following schools, what will be your choices in order in term of its academic result and its overall considerations. Thanks.
Cardiff Sixth Form
Cheltenham Ladies'
Badminton
Brighton
Headington
作者: anglo-chinese 時間: 13-12-19 23:23
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well, two of them are actually girls school.I've been to Badminton and CLC
perhaps for that type of British education experience, I would prefer CLC
作者: peter_pan 時間: 13-12-19 23:24
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Cheltenham Ladies'
Badminton
Headington
Brighton
On the basis that I prefer girls' school to co-ed & I won't consider Cardiff at all as I believe that students there don't have much of a life other than studying!
作者: Hebemom 時間: 13-12-20 02:02
Fully understood! Thanks all again!
It is really hard to choose while both CLC and CSFC are my dream schools for my daughter, but basically, I believe CLC will be more suitable for my girl.
作者: needaplan 時間: 13-12-20 10:33 標題: 回覆：Hebemom 的帖子
Cardiff 冇宿舍住，冇假期，冇課外活動，嘅需唔需要著校服？住寄宿家庭又怎様問功課，會唔會終日打機到pub飲酒，是否所有Sixth Form College都是嘅運作，所以學費嘅平？
作者: needaplan 時間: 13-12-20 11:11 標題: 回覆：needaplan 的帖子
識得一個讀一間排名約千一的Sixth Form College的女仔，都是住寄宿家庭，讀了一個月同事打電話揾女終日都揾不到，結果飛去英國同個女退學返來香港重讀一年，原來個女晚晚同同學去飲酒。
至於Cardiff成績嘅好，是否讀到中途會勸退成績唔好的學生退學？聞說很多名校都有機制唔比成績一般的學生讀或考嘅多科，以免影響學校排名。
作者: spiderlily 時間: 13-12-20 13:00
Cardiff website states the school has boarding facilities and ECAs 
If not, studying there is like kind of exam machine.
作者: needaplan 時間: 13-12-20 14:05 標題: 引用：Cardiff+website+states+the+school+has+bo
原帖由 spiderlily 於 13-12-20 發表
Cardiff website states the school has boarding facilities and ECAs
If not, st ...
作者: CPU1995 時間: 13-12-20 20:26
peter_pan 發表於 13-12-19 23:24 
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I won't consider Cardiff at all as I believe that students there don't have much of a life other than studying!
Fully concur with your view and ranking.
作者: panda-jojo 時間: 13-12-20 20:39
CLC definitely for more culture, experience and name. 
作者: Honey917 時間: 13-12-20 21:45 標題: 引用：Just+want+to+seek+for+some+advices+for+t
原帖由 Hebemom 於 13-12-19 發表
Just want to seek for some advices for these 2 schools, which one is better? Thanks.
作者: Honey917 時間: 13-12-20 22:01 標題: 引用：Just+want+to+seek+for+some+advices+for+t
原帖由 Hebemom 於 13-12-19 發表
Just want to seek for some advices for these 2 schools, which one is better? Thanks.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-23 10:55
In fact, if you want to be top student in either school, the quality of student life is similar. Sadness to tell the truth. I heard some students hide themselves in toilet to study in boarding house toilet. Some students even study until 1-2 am with their small headlights in boarding house. ECA have no time to join.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-23 10:56
In fact, if you want to be top student in either school, the quality of student life is similar. Sadness to tell the truth. I heard some students hide themselves in toilet to study in boarding house toilet. Some students even study until 1-2 am with their small headlights in boarding house. ECA have no time to join.
作者: tcmsung 時間: 13-12-23 11:59
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作者: peter_pan 時間: 13-12-23 17:40
Many top CLC girls, even in their A-level year, are still engaged in many ECAs such as orchestra, choir, drama, sport teams or community works, many involved in several of these activities, because they know that top courses in top universities value these more than academic excellence alone. They may work very hard till 2am but they are outgoing and enjoy life to the full.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-23 23:39
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 13-12-24 00:07 編輯
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"Hiding in a toilet to study ......No time to join ECAs." 咁去 CLC 嚟仲嘜? 不如唔好去仲好啦. CLC's records said 70% to 80% of the candidates get Grade A* or A in A-Levels. So getting top grades is nothing special in this school. To be a top student, one has to get top grades PLUS excel in ECAs. If these kids have to work so hard for so long in order to gain top grades (with no time left for other activities), it is difficult to imagine they are the top students.
Regarding Cardiff Sixth Form College, here is the 2013 result.
http://www.ccoex.com/results.php?id=14
It appears that 62 students got AAA or better. But its website shows only 29 students' university destination.
http://www.ccoex.com/life.php?id=70
Where did the other 33 students who got AAA or better go? How about those who got less than AAA? Anybody knows?
作者: Ruby1219 時間: 13-12-24 10:30 標題: 回覆：bobbycheung 的帖子
wow I saw half or more than half are Chinese??
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-24 12:35
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 13-12-24 12:38 編輯
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I heard that they really drill you there and you would become an "exam machine". That's how the kids get top grades there which is fine if that's the approach that you want. Perhaps that's also why you hardly see any English names there. The thing is we must know the different "culture" of each school and make a choice accordingly. There is only one thing in common though - all top schools are extremely competitive. So don't expect a walkover.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-24 17:53
Top students in ordinary school might have many ECA !!
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-25 11:23
I think Cardiff is not bad for hard-studying students with limited finance resource. At least, it provides 'open' environment and convenience setting.
I have to declare that I have no interest in Cardiff.
作者: tcmsung 時間: 13-12-26 10:58
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作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 15:02
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I was saying top students in schools like CLC need to excel in BOTH studying and ECAs. I don't understand what it has to do with "top students in an average school doing lots of ECAs". Could you please elaborate?
作者: spiderlily 時間: 13-12-26 17:49
本帖最後由 spiderlily 於 13-12-26 17:50 編輯
In my opinion, top students must be all rounded. I know a few top students who have demonstrated excellence in both academic and ECAs.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 18:05
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In reality, students in elite boarding schools have other expenses e.g. flight tickets, school trips, private tuitions, donations ect, which cost more than a million for two-years A-level. My opinion is Cardiff is 'relatively' not so expensive. Of course, if choosing DSE, you could save a lot of money.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 18:20
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I don't know whether you have kids in boarding school or not. I don't know whether your kids are top students or not. It will be the time and boaring constraint which can not allow students (top or not top) to have many activities. The inceasing work load to be spent on pre-time leaves students not much time to do ECAs. The girls who study very hard are from DX and St X Co-edu. Do you mind saying which schools having top students with many ECAs ? I am humble to hear.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 19:14
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 13-12-26 19:19 編輯
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In fact, the school fees of top boarding schools like Westminster School, St. Paul's School, Wycombe Abbey, CLC.......are approximately GBP33,000 a year.
http://www.westminster.org.uk/admissions/fees.html
http://www.stpaulsschool.org.uk/admissions/fees
http://www.wycombeabbey.com/admin_procedure/Fees_23.php
http://www.cheltladiescollege.org/about-us/facts-and-figures/
So we are talking about an extra of HK$40,000 a year in school fees. For those who could afford to spend more than HK$1,000,000 for a 2 year A Level course, I doubt it will make a lot of difference.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 19:29
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I doubt how many HK students can be admitted to the schools you mentioned. If it is very easy, of course, it would be better to study in the schools. If not, then it is meningless.
作者: tcmsung 時間: 13-12-26 19:42
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作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 19:52
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My kids are neither in boarding schools nor top students. But common sense tells me that top students in top schools like CLC, Wycombe Abbey and Westminster School etc. need to be excel in BOTH studying and ECAs. Which HK schools the girls came from makes no difference. They may study 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in HK to become a so-called "top" student academically in HK. But if they go to UK top schools and use this same approach (with no time to join any ECAs), I am sure no one (perhaps apart from you) would rate them as top students. In fact, I wonder why the school admitted them in the first place. As I said, 70% to 80% of the candidates in CLC get Grade A* or A in A-Levels. In Wycombe Abbey, 41.3% get Grade A* in A-Levels and those who got Grade A* or A are 86.3%. Are you telling me that all these top girls who got Grade A* have no time to join ECAs?
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 19:59
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Sorry I have no information about it.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 20:06
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 13-12-26 20:10 編輯
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You were the one suggesting Cardiff is not bad for students with limited finance resource. tcmsung then pointed out that it would cost HK$800,000 for the 2 year course. You then "clarified" your meaning but saying Cardiff is 'relatively' not so expensive even though it would cost more than HK$1,000,000 for the 2 year. I then pointed out that the other top schools would cost an extra HK$40,000 per year at most for the 2 year course. Now you say it is not easy to get into these schools. I don't understand what it has to do with your "limited finance resources" or "relatively inexpensive" argument. If that's what you had meant, perhaps you should have started off by saying Cardiff is not bad for students who can't get into other top schools. (No offence meant to Cardiff. Just to illustrate my point) By the way, may I ask how many HK students get admitted to Cardiff each year? Is it very easy to get admitted to Cardiff?
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 20:18
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I am sorry that your common sense is in fact misunderstanding or no knowledge for top students in top UK schools. Many students can only maintain one or two activities after school because of really no time. There are many constraints in boarding houses. So far I only know students in Westminister, Eton, Wycombe Abbey, Winchester, CLC, Sevenoaks and Tonbridge.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 20:22
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I clarify again I have NO interest/benefit in Cardiff Sixth Form !! Don't ask me about Cardiff !!!!!!
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 20:25
In HK, we might describe a student as a "top student" if he excels academically even though he joins no ECAs. But in UK and especially in US, such a student is not rated highly. In fact, there is no chance of him getting into a top US college because academic excellence is just a minimum requirement. Everybody is competing on ECAs etc. as well. Even in HK, if you want to compete in eg. HK Outstanding Students Award, the assessment criteria is that "applicants are required to have outstanding academic records as well as active participation in community services and extra-curricular activities."
http://www.youtharch.org/osaapp_e.html
So ECAs is not a bonus but a requisite.
作者: spiderlily 時間: 13-12-26 20:35
本帖最後由 spiderlily 於 13-12-26 20:37 編輯
Perhaps, there are different meaning on top students. Top students to bobbycheung are those demonstrated excellence in both academic and ECAs. Isn't it also a requirement for getting 42+points in IB diploma?
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 20:36
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There is a huge difference between those who has no time to join ECAs and those who maintain one or two activities. If you have to excel in something, you have to remain in focus. That is why these students are concentrating on one or two ECAs. It's the depth that counts, not the breadth. As to those who do no ECAs, they have neither the depth nor the breadth. I wouldn't describe them as top students and I don't believe the schools you mentioned would.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 20:38
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To be honest, academic performance is the first priority for university acceptance. ECA is the allowance for those who are less competetive in HK, UK and USA. This is the universal law !! Of course, academic excellence with ECA will be big advantage !! On contrary, some university places are reserved for third country students with outstanding ECAs only !!
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 20:46
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To define ECAs, they are the activities which are new or interesting to students. I mean 'no time to join ECAs' which refers to my definition. Those students who are admitted to top schools must have talents other than academic level !
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 20:52
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That may be the law of your "universe". My universe doesn't work that way. Try to apply to US top colleges with good academic results but no ECAs and see how far you will get.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 21:02
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US top colleges don't like good academic level. If you have only good academic level with ECAs, it is really hard to be admited. NO doubt !
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 21:04
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 13-12-26 21:05 編輯
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Yes, definitely, we do live in a different universe.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 21:15
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Different people have different universe. In fact, it is great. Do you know black holes exist in our universe ? I mean every one has blind spot including myself. Anyway thanks for your view ! I will take into consideration. I actually know ECA is important.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 21:29
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 13-12-27 15:20 編輯
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If what you said about UK top schools and US top colleges are correct, mine is probably a black hole rather than a blind spot.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-12-26 21:37
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Just for sharing, HKU/CU medicine ask for 4A* in A-level and 43 scores in IB for interview. If students have no such level, they don't have chance for interview, not saying being accepted. ECA in this situation plays no role at all.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-26 21:42
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投降!
作者: lottieclee 時間: 14-1-2 00:18 標題: 回覆：Cheltenham Ladies' College vs Cardiff Sixth Form
As a CLC alumni, no doubt with CLC. Most of my friends have really good jobs and the worst of our class is Head of Special Education in a public school district. It's not a guaranteed ticket to a good degree and good job, but the culture teaches you to work and be a very British person.
作者: lottieclee 時間: 14-1-2 00:22 標題: 回覆：Cheltenham Ladies' College vs Cardiff Sixth Form
Oh... And reading your threads, I want to say, I had a fair amount of ECA and I went to college in US. I have a doctorate now and have married someone with a doctorate. Many of my friends took a Gap year after Yr 13. Coming from a tradition Chinese family, I didn't have a chance to do that, which I regret still.
Academics, ECA and even a first degree don't mean much nowadays, many professions require higher degrees. My profession in uS requires a doctorate.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-1-2 09:40
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In life there is always something to regret. My daughter in CLC may be interested in studying in America. Do you think that the pathway to doctorate, job and family in America is too long for girls ?
作者: lottieclee 時間: 14-1-2 11:41 標題: 回覆：Cheltenham Ladies' College vs Cardiff Sixth Form
Nothing is too long. I did it and our team only have 2 men, so we all did it.
My poor parents had to pay for a lot of tuition. I paid instate for MS and the doctorate was pretty much self-paid, working while completing the degree. I am a healthcare provider and have been doing this for 13 years and enjoying it. Just that if you are in healthcare, don't go back to HK. I tried it for several years, and cannot manage it culturally and technically. HA culture and private hospital cultures were both unbearable.
作者: Choisumwong 時間: 14-1-2 23:42
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Thanks for your reply. If my daughter wants to study medicine, she will come back HK. If she has no interest in medicine, she wants to explore studying in America. I doubt whether America nowadays still has a lot of chance for students to persuit their dream. For professional subjects, it is difficult. For non-professional subjects, it is not rewarding. Now it seems America government limits access to high technology to Chinese students. For pure science subjects there are a lot of competition from mainland students. Research funding is no longer generous. So there are not many rewarding subjects to choose in America. Low-technology business may be an exception. What do you think ?
作者: lottieclee 時間: 14-1-4 02:42
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You will never know what it will be like when your daughter is of age to go to college. Let go and let her choose her life. Very few people are truly in pure sciences. Research funding, research jobs are based on many things. Some of my friends who has degrees in electronical engineering works for large companies such as Motorola for R&D and even within that particular field, there are many specialties, like walkie-talkie, infra-red transmission, noise reduction transmission etc. Some of my friends that has PhD in Chemical Engineering work for oil companies in Texas. Some others who have PhD in Biomedical engineering, do R&D in such companies and some are lecturers at schools. I also have a friend who has a PhD in Philosophy now teaches Business Ethics in Hong Kong. Commercial R&D is of course funded by the company they work with. There are many funding for university research. Nobody has ever said that money comes easy, there are proposals, grant funding application. It is not just money donated. It has not worked that way for a long time.
I feel that I should let my chidlren explore their interest and Hong Kong is not the way it is. My parents were really mad at me when I chose my A-Level subjects. I wanted to do English, Chemistry and Psychology. They felt that this combination would get me nowhere. I ended up choosing Chemistry, Math and Physics, with advanced Math and AS psychology. I hated this combination. So I was so glad that I went to the US. The credit system allowed me to explore other subjects of interest. This is something that you will not get in British and Hong Kong tertiary education system: where the major you pick is the major you would have to stick with. I did change major twice during undergraduate but still managed to complete the degree in 3 years.
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