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標題: 「星期二檔案」----《贏在起跑線 ?》 [打印本頁]
作者: sagesage 時間: 13-12-18 14:31 標題: 「星期二檔案」----《贏在起跑線 ?》
「星期二檔案」----《贏在起跑線 ?》
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= ... AJn9ZW7QTBubiT3OiHQ
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http://mytv.tvb.com/news/tuesdayreport/166644#page-1
每年九月至十二月，都是幼稚園招生的高峰期，不少幼稚園會舉行開放日，派發入學申請表，進行面試及公布結果。
因應出生數字上升，加上內地雙非兒童來港報讀幼稚園，近年幼稚園學額競爭越趨激烈。為了令子女能成功入讀心儀的幼稚園，家長們都各出奇謀：有家長辭職，通宵露宿報名；有家長為小朋友報30間幼稚園，一日赴三場面試；亦有家長報讀選取幼稚園策略的課程，豐富自己及小朋友的面試技巧。
有幼兒教育界人士認為，家長報十間八間幼稚園已變成潮流，少報彷彿會落後於人。有提供面試培訓班的機構就指出，家長期望越來越大，幼稚園面試題目越來越深，亦令他們部分課程內容超越小朋友年齡對應的發展程度。
本集將會探討家長為幼兒報多間幼稚園，為面試作準備的心態，以及背後的原因。
記者：黃雅宇
2013.12.17
作者: WYmom 時間: 13-12-18 16:15
Apply 30 kindergartens!! Crazy!
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-12-18 16:23
原來答 "中意食蘋果"，冇 "中意食藍梅" 咁高分。
但係如果小朋友真係唔中意食藍梅咁點算？
真係要講大話？
作者: Mrslot 時間: 13-12-18 17:07 標題: 回覆：「星期二檔案」----《贏在起跑線 ?》
A principal said if the baby asks the teacher a question instead of just reciting what is obviously prepared by the parebt, they will give him better credit. I wonder if the monster parents will amend their strategy accordingly after watching the programmer
作者: spiderlily 時間: 13-12-18 18:01
nintendo 發表於 13-12-18 16:23 
原來答 "中意食蘋果"，冇 "中意食藍梅" 咁高分。
但係如果小朋友真係唔中意食藍梅咁點算？
真係要講大話？ ...
Why blueberry would result in higher scores than apple? Is that because of the vocab?
Sorry, I miss this part.
作者: Mrslot 時間: 13-12-18 18:03 標題: 引用：Quote:nintendo+發表於+13-12-18+16:23+原
原帖由 spiderlily 於 13-12-18 發表
Why blueberry would result in higher scores than apple? Is that because of the vocab?
Sorry, I mi ...
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-12-18 18:43 標題: 回覆：spiderlily 的帖子
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作者: annie40 時間: 13-12-18 23:24
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說穿了是勢利，blueberry貴過apple好多，孩子經常吃，反影屋企有米，答raspberries的，一定更高分，為了䇔在起跑線, 吃生菜要買Roman lettuce, 北歐走地雞蛋，為免孩子講錯低分食品，一定要記得屋企唔可以出現蘋果，橙，西瓜等cheap cheap 水果，。
作者: Fish777 時間: 13-12-19 00:13
看完真係想投降了
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-12-19 01:19 標題: 回覆：Fish777 的帖子
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作者: victoryu19 時間: 13-12-19 11:24
Lots of people say 'the parents are training the kid soooo well' after watching it.
The HK education is really dying (if it is not dead already).
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-12-19 11:56 標題: 回覆：victoryu19 的帖子
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作者: minirat 時間: 13-12-19 12:01
我個人好堅持不為面試訓練仔仔
要參與面試是逼不得已，但是對我而言已是極限
我想仔仔學習是在平日生活中，遊戲中學習，而不是為了面試逼他死記“完美答案”
如果某學校是喜歡這樣訓練出來的小朋友，我覺得大家教育理念不同，唔讀或讀唔到都不可惜。
作者: minirat 時間: 13-12-19 12:05
victoryu19 發表於 13-12-19 11:24
Lots of people say 'the parents are training the kid soooo well' after watching it.
The HK educatio ...
I share your views. The most scary part is how these people oblige and look upon to this type of teaching approach.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-12-19 12:36
幸好早D生，如果今時今日先考幼稚園一定死梗，可悲的是以前認為不合理的行為已漸漸變成大勢
作者: annie40 時間: 13-12-19 13:05
Oh, what is wrong with those parents? They keep giving damages on their babies.
Parents Rule No. One is : never never discuss and criticise schools in front of babies. Never join the discussion with monster parents group. You are giving pressure and prejudice on their mind. No one wants kids with fearful eyes and dishonest mind.
Parents , please be a very honest happy relaxed person. Your kid would be like that, and everyone loves him or her with no hesitation.
作者: annie40 時間: 13-12-19 13:27
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这些父母完全不懂教仔, 连起跑线也站错了, 今时今日, 带孩子到正确起步点已经赢尽, 你地继续在错误的地方狂奔, 我带着孩子乐得逍遥自在. 便不难成为了不起了!
六岁前的interview 是多余的, 唯一借口就是让你看清楚我和我的孩子有否精神病, 如果没情绪或严重的行为问题, 每位小孩子的学习能力的差异极细微的.
记得当年带小女面试, 留意到不少老师有饮食问题, 态度问题, 专注力问题, 学校管理混乱的失当问题, 当时是真心的想给她们一些评估报告啊! 大家是人, 唔好玩啦!
作者: Mrslot 時間: 13-12-19 13:44
最怕d家長train到小朋友老積一d童真都無，又只會背父母準備好既答案，好似一個機械人無正常反應同回應
作者: victoryu19 時間: 13-12-19 13:46
To me, training kids this way is like turning their brain into a computer hard disk (i.e. having lots of data but lacking creativity / knowledge to use the data).
Computer is useless until someone puts in a command (no matter how fast it is or how much data it has).
作者: oooray 時間: 13-12-19 13:57
但當身邊的人變曬喪屍；99%人都會自願或不情不願地變成喪屍。
作者: minirat 時間: 13-12-19 14:34
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確實是，可惜好多家長同教育者已經泥足深陷，可憐的事一班我們社會未來的主人翁
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-12-19 15:02 標題: 引用：但當身邊的人變曬喪屍；99%人都會自願或不
原帖由 oooray 於 13-12-19 發表
但當身邊的人變曬喪屍；99%人都會自願或不情不願地變成喪屍。
作者: torunpoland 時間: 13-12-19 15:22 標題: 回覆：oooray 的帖子
我也不會做喪屍！
作者: Ruby1219 時間: 13-12-19 15:39 標題: 回覆：torunpoland 的帖子
I was turned off by the interview at St. Cxxxxxxxx 11 years ago and therefore decided to put my son into IS! I did not prepare my son for at interviews but he passed everytime he got the chance. I still remember during one of the IS interviews (my son was 4 applying for P.1, my son asked the interviewer "why u have so many questions? I am tired! "! the interviewer told me that with a smile on her face and my son got the offer finally.
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-12-19 15:59
oooray lucky to be the 1% minority. Cheers!
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當 99% 細路都係倒模出黎，可能就係個 1% 的細路將來更加會跑出。
近幾年，和很多大學教授談，佢地都話喜歡教 IS 學生，未必 acadamically 係最高分，但思維較好，學習態度較積極。
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-12-19 16:02
Ruby1219 發表於 13-12-19 15:39
I was turned off by the interview at St. Cxxxxxxxx 11 years ago and therefore decided to put my son ...
呢類學校，其實只有好少數真係考入名校，但他們就只係大大聲報喜，其實最後超過九成都係入普通小學，甚至只係靠派位，我都唔明佢地點可以以名校自居呢
作者: annie40 時間: 13-12-19 16:17
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父母的紧张,虚伪, 慌乱, 老师的傲慢,传递给一位两岁BB的讯息是:
世界艰难, 读书好辛苦, 做人要扮野, 阿爸阿妈好惊青, 外面的世界十分恐怖..................全部是可怕的负面生活啊!
孩子只不过很爱爸妈, 很想爸妈爱他, 爸妈不开心是因为我不够好, 我希望可以从来未出生, 或是快些不存在,
可以吗?
那管只是刹那间的念头, 这种self doubt 是刻骨铭心的. 孩子眼看缺乏自信的父母, 必然信任度大减, 日后还会心悦服诚的听你点吗? 听你话是因为吃紧你的饭, 没得選, 有机会即走, 有或赖死唔走, 等你做奴隶养佢一世也好!
作者: oooray 時間: 13-12-19 16:57
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好簡單。1. 學生人數多；基數大；跑出成功例子自然多d；
2. 好多幼稚園報名要填父母工作+讀邊間中小學；父母係名校old boys/old girls；世襲制下自然水到渠成；
3. 正如你講::入名校大大聲； 入唔到就數據欠奉：(好多international kindergarten都一樣)同樣家長入唔到名小去左街坊學校亦唔會大大聲話我係邊間邊間名幼出來不過考唔到邊間邊間名小；神話可以繼續吹下去。
作者: Ruby1219 時間: 13-12-19 17:48 標題: 回覆：nintendo 的帖子
I did not aim for putting my son into any 名校 (no matter local or international) at that time, and I don't believe that 名校 equals a guarantee of good path for future schooling. At the end my son got into non famous international kindy and primary. 輾轉 got into a so called famous IS, but I would say the kid's own talent and effort, the family background and parent's support and effort are more important factors than the name of the school!
作者: elizatyy 時間: 13-12-19 19:15
見識過有些父母連小朋友食飯時都在train 中、英、數, 真令旁人情緒不安
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-12-19 19:42
Ruby1219 發表於 13-12-19 17:48
I did not aim for putting my son into any 名校 (no matter local or international) at that time, and ...
作者: Ruby1219 時間: 13-12-19 20:06 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子
yes ar. then recently I experienced the pain of 渴求/強求 but 得不到. learned a good lesson!
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 13-12-19 22:20
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 13-12-19 22:24 編輯
It reminds me of this song of 1979
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqPwffptR-E
"...We don't need no thought control........All in all you're just another brick in the wall......"
作者: victoryu19 時間: 13-12-19 23:30
Take a look at this perhaps.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.p ... ;type=1&theater
作者: kittyland06 時間: 13-12-20 00:15 標題: 引用：Take+a+look+at+this+perhaps.+https://www
原帖由 victoryu19 於 13-12-19 發表
Take a look at this perhaps.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=615578438478113&set=a.13564423 ...
作者: spiderlily 時間: 13-12-20 08:21
Ruby1219 發表於 13-12-19 15:39
I was turned off by the interview at St. Cxxxxxxxx 11 years ago and therefore decided to put my son ...
Me too. I was pleased off by the interview of St. C years ago.
The teachers showed my son a picture, which was a lady sweeping the floor using a traditional sweep. She asked my son what the woman was doing? The picture was quite outdated as nowadays family usually uses vacuum cleaner instead. I recalled the picture was black and white and drawn in old style like my days in primary.
I failed to understand the purpose of asking that question. What did it represent if the kid answered correctly? That was something not reflecting nowadays life.
作者: hokmonster 時間: 13-12-20 09:24 標題: 回覆：「星期二檔案」----《贏在起跑線
其實要未夠兩歲既小朋友去面試，被評核，我已經覺得係件殘酷既事！兩歲小朋友究竟可以要求幾多呢？
作者: Ruby1219 時間: 13-12-20 10:24
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similarly, i was turned off by the teacher's question/comment : my son was given a set of clothes, hat, pants, socks, shoes to put on a naked doll (paper made), he matched all correctly : hat to head, clothes to body, pants to legs, socks and shoes to feet...
but then, the teacher said "ok, but you have to put on the pants before the shoes" !!!
i was annoyed as I think it's too much for a 2.5 years old! and, she did not say you have to put them in a correct sequence wo!
also, i hate the way they arranged the parents and kids to line up in a long queue outside the school before the interview! it's not humane especially for the 2-3 years old! and I think they did this to show off their long queue of applicants! they are too business oriented instead of kids and parents friendly!
my son got the places from St Cxxxxxxxx as well as Kenxxxxxx, but i finally decided that LS is not our cup of tea!
作者: crystalpui 時間: 13-12-20 11:50
實在極不願小朋友羸在起跑線
但香港以家個個家長都係咁...
學校亦要求多左, 就算國際都一樣......
作者: spiderlily 時間: 13-12-20 12:46
hokmonster 發表於 13-12-20 09:24
其實要未夠兩歲既小朋友去面試，被評核，我已經覺得係件殘酷既事！兩歲小朋友究竟可以要求幾多呢？
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I think the essence of doing education is to explore the potentials of the kids, to train them up rather than to categorize them at the sort of infant stage.
If a school can train up kids from different background with different talents, it is definitely a good school.
If a school only choose kids with excellent academic strengths, no matter how many As the school claims to achieve, it is nothing to do with the school. Those kids can get As wherever they study.
作者: oooray 時間: 13-12-20 13:46
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學生講成績；學校講業績；學生的成績就是學校的業績。不論公營私營K小中大學一樣。有尖拔尖；盡收天下兵器便是王道。
有雞定有蛋先?係學校有本事教叻學生；定學校有本事收叻學生；一字之差；who cares?
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-12-20 20:46 標題: 引用：Quote:Ruby1219+發表於+13-12-19+15:39+I+w
原帖由 spiderlily 於 13-12-20 發表
Me too. I was pleased off by the interview of St. C years ago.
The teachers showed my son a pictu ...
作者: 小書89000 時間: 13-12-22 15:07 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子
i am not willing to pass my bb to take the interview and reply the question too. when all parents apply 10more school for their back up. schools seems more and more bb apply the school. then, schools are increase the standard...worst.
作者: tam888 時間: 13-12-22 17:33 標題: 回覆：oooray 的帖子
Totally agree
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-12-22 20:08 標題: 回覆：「星期二檔案」----《贏在起跑線 ?》
個面試班負責人也說，內容已超過一般孩子能力，咁即係揠苗助長。
作者: gigi_c 時間: 13-12-30 17:01
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作者: elizatyy 時間: 13-12-30 18:07
其實不少家長考名校是為其名氣、要面子。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-12-30 18:15 標題: 回覆：「星期二檔案」----《贏在起跑線 ?》
這裡是國際學校班房，無咁誇吓嗎，一歲認字，家長同你死過？一係要雞校？
作者: elizatyy 時間: 13-12-30 20:40
gigi_c 發表於 13-12-30 17:01
香港個game就係咁玩…一係比佢讀的雞校..就可以咩都唔理..但要入好的學校…大把monster parent同你死過…. ...
作者: victoryu19 時間: 14-1-2 12:50
shadeslayer 發表於 13-12-22 20:08
個面試班負責人也說，內容已超過一般孩子能力，咁即係揠苗助長。
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