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作者: hin080908 時間: 13-12-11 12:06 標題: 有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

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作者: 719117 時間: 13-12-11 13:11 標題: 引用：我個仔係明年先讀,+自行入左.+忽然發生呢件

原帖由 hin080908 於 13-12-11 發表
我個仔係明年先讀, 自行入左. 忽然發生呢件事, 我做媽媽的都備受壓力. 因為之前學校收左放棄左去見直資機會 ...

我吾會

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-11 14:11

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其實當初點解選依間學校你自己最清楚. 唔好因為D C9就唸來唸去. 學校HANDLE依件事的確出現問題, 我相信學校會改善.
對我而言. 呀女本身讀得開心就係最緊要. 間間學校都有本身問題, 只係你唔入去讀又未必發覺. 我女幼稚園讀果間係好多人的DREAM SCHOOL, 但我一D都唔欣賞, 佢HANDLE D嘢重差. 只係未出事外界又唔發覺JE.

作者: Ah_Mi 時間: 13-12-12 00:26

絕對不會因為呢件事而轉校!
雖然小女只是在這學校讀了4個月, 但無人想發生呢事件......當你在現場看見副校長好努力地在急救, 而我所見的只是女孩趟在操場上, 無聽到墜樓的巨響及見到血跡, 大家都以為女孩因沒有吃早餐而暈倒(因學校曾發出學生因此而暈倒的通告), 明白學校因此而通知St. John......
大家都認為學校處理不當, 我不覺得學校因校譽而網顧學生的性命, 只不過當時低估了事件的嚴重性!

作者: ying0103 時間: 13-12-12 02:02 標題: 回覆：有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

老實講，我原本打算下年報讀....
但現在打消了依個念頭！
一間學校連基本常識也沒有！
我點放心阿仔入去讀！
一味係到"既定程序"乜乜乜

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-12 09:21

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其他事可以低估, 人的生命也可以低估? 請不要再為他們辯護, 原本有一絲希望救回但結果這樣, 你仍然覺得沒有問題? 如果你的小朋友無原無故暈倒3分鐘, 拍極不醒你會安心叫只會處理受輕傷的St John為他/她急救? 請將心比己! 而且你覺得校長的所謂交代可以接受?

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-12 10:11

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現在說的是一間學校, 一間擁有數百人的學校, 並不是一個無知小孩, 請容許我再次說: 如果你的小朋友無原無故暈倒3分鐘, 拍極不醒你會安心叫只會處理受輕傷的St John為他/她急救? 一間學校會不知道St John和報警的分別? 為何捨近求遠? 如你都覺得校長/校方有不對之處, 為何她只說"已按程序"而不道歉?

作者: reb1228 時間: 13-12-12 11:13

出左事，無人想，大家唔應該再講邊個啱，邊個錯，現在要顧及老師同小朋友嘅感受，唔通要迫死老師同校長，以一命陪一命先好過咩?

作者: ying0103 時間: 13-12-12 13:57 標題: 回覆：有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

辦教育，錯就要認！
唔以身作則點教下一代？

作者: AHGU 時間: 13-12-12 16:58 標題: 回覆：有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

耶穌在安息日為人醫病，但被評擊不守律法。反之，嚴守律法的文士，祭司對路途上被打劫受傷的旅行者都不及一個撒瑪利亞人。
基真校長嚴守指引，面對生命的安危只顧因循指引，面見記者時選教會禮堂，背後有亮燈的十字架，之下有聖經。作為校長，到底是基督徒定法利賽人呢?
人會有犯錯的時間，但逃避面對，很遲才交待，顯得承擔的心欠奉。
死雞撐飯蓋，令我想起，「你們的話，是，就說是。不是，就說不是。若再多說，就是出於那惡者」
又或者其他人怕揹鑊，被算帳，都沒有報警的打算。
就算見到小女孩耳和咀流血都不敢出聲話報警。
為人師表，原先都是有良知，但被制度，XX守則，校務通告，所簽合約條款的欄阻下，良知難免淡化。只希望冇投訴，冇鑊仔，校長是學校主事人，萬大事有佢擔當，佢話點就點，要跟住做，稍一不順，土黄帝就找自己麻煩，以後日子就難過，遇上縮班，就被拿來祭旗。

作者: Ah_Mi 時間: 13-12-12 23:35

nieualma 發表於 13-12-12 09:21
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其他事可以低估, 人的生命也可以低估? 請不要再為他們辯護, 原本有一絲希望救回但結果 ...

每個人都有言論自由, 我沒有為任何人而辯護, 只是大家當時不在現場, 只憑片面而不斷批評, 事出突然, 我依然覺得女孩是否墜樓而存疑, 無論事情是怎樣發生, 死者已矣, 無謂再灑鹽!
奉勸傳播媒體亦不必每天在學校門口追訪事件, 無論對學生或是家長都是不便!

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-13 09:06

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<我依然覺得女孩是否墜樓而存疑>

當99.9999999%的人證實她是從高處墬下的, 原來你仍存疑, 難怪你力排眾議.

這數天有很多討論關於這件事, 不知你有否留意newdaddy的意見, 如沒有, 請看看, 如已看, 請重新細看, 當中分析得很好. 包括不在場的人為何仍可討論以免悲劇繼續發生等. 當然為反對的人仍然會反對, 但我誠心希望大家能教好下一代, 有錯, 要承認, 而不是選擇逃避.

http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2725210&extra=page%3D3

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-13 14:45

To : nieualma:
haha thank you so much for your kind words!
Sorry that I am not very good at using the functions & keys of BK though.

HK is a civilized place where every single life is cherished.
We should try our very best to prevent similar tragedy from happening again.
I think the saying that : "let's stop commenting on it as this would hurt the relatives etc" cannot stand the test of time. To do justice for the victim and her relatives and improve the curent managment protocol of the school are both very important and what we should be doing now.
One of the things that distinguishes HK from other third world countries is our respect and value for life. The cost of one life is too many! The Philiippines Hostage Incident serves as a good reminder for all of us.

作者: ashellyromii 時間: 13-12-16 13:49

絕對唔會退校, 因為呢件係個別事件.

就平日眼見, 雖然校長只係喺度做唔夠半年, 但出入見佢同聽番d學生講好鍾意校長, 副校同埋老師, 因為佢哋都好錫d小朋友, 會同佢哋玩同埋傾計...

番去問阿囡, 佢話而家d老師唔識笑, 有時仲眼紅紅, 好似喊過嚟咁...個個人都愁眉苦臉...d老師同救過呢個小朋友嘅副校都已經喺崩潰邊沿...相信呢件事其實對學校嚟講都係冇人想發生嘅事, 呢d野只會係基真人先會體會到, 因為基真嘅家長同學生本身已經好愛呢間學校, 俾其他街外人數不是實在唔好受, 何況老師同盡力救過呢個小朋友嘅副校實在壓力已經超出負荷...希望事情快點水落石出, 讓校長早日出來交待...學校盡快恢復元氣, 老師同學生都開心番啦!

阿囡知道學校d老師俾出面d人話冇常識, 佢即刻好唔開心呀!

作者: ashellyromii 時間: 13-12-16 13:54

其實嗰日發生前後, 直至上白車都冇一個記者在場, 所以懷疑d記者作野然後引導個小妹妹講錯野, 跟住後期剪輯

因為個女仔出入都係撘校車, 又點會喺附近公園識得個小朋友!? 仲成日同佢玩!

作者: hin080908 時間: 13-12-16 14:23 標題: 回覆：ashellyromii 的帖子

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作者: mingmama 時間: 13-12-16 16:48 標題: 回覆：有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

好在學校有家長心聲畀我哋同老師們作出鼓勵～無錯～外間人絕對唔能夠體會學校老師們的愛心～雖然我只係對咗佢哋一年

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-16 17:22

I am so sad that I still need to write on this topic again.

There are some key words the we all should bear in mind in the management of this student:
1. Accountability,
2. Governance,
3. Transparency.
Have these factors been achieved well?

Reei was right. How about “Duty of Care” by the school to the students?

I suppose the students of this school will finally need to take the Liberal Studies of DSE.
Let us take a look at P.7 of the Liberal Studies Curriculum and Resources Package:

We should guide our children “to see issues &information from a variety of perspectives as well as evaluating different point of view based on facts and evidence.” (http://ls.edb.hkedcity.net/LSCms/file/ENG_CARP.pdf)

Have we really done that? OR have we just turned a deaf ear to all sensible comments out there?

Sayings like “They are outsiders and they don’t know what’s happening here and so cannot comment” seem illogical especially when used (by similar token) on views on comments from people all over the world on the Explosion of the Fukushima Nuclear Plant haha!

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-16 17:44

其實大家都係想學校快d回復生氣je. 冇講過任何學校係做得"對" or 唔駛改善. 希望回復生氣同要唔要改善係2樣嘢. 做錯了同學校係唔係一間好學校or d老師有冇愛心又係另一樣嘢.
我地唔係唔聽人意見都唔係唔想學校吸取教訓. 只係想對學校有d鼓勵. 如果自己個小朋友係入面讀. 有邊個想間學校死氣沉沉呢!!

作者: hin080908 時間: 13-12-16 17:48 標題: 回覆：sammilcm 的帖子

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作者: mingmama 時間: 13-12-16 18:15 標題: 引用：絶對同意 +

原帖由 hin080908 於 13-12-16 發表
絶對同意

絕對同意X2

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-16 19:33 標題: 回覆：有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

Well well well, thank you for the interesting comments. So, encouraging words as you requested. I wish the school can bourgeon with ardent parents like you.

作者: ashellyromii 時間: 13-12-16 21:10

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sammilcm講得好啱！

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-17 10:46

如果學校D學生,家長,老師都加油, 學校好快會再回復生機. 加油.

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-17 14:50

我就為佢地加油, 所以今個星期5開聖誕party, 我為呀女全班都準備了一入小禮物, 希望佢地開開心心.

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-17 15:52

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呀女話拿便當回去分享炸. 我唸住做D飯團比佢囉. 你小朋友讀幾多年班?

作者: mingmama 時間: 13-12-17 16:05 標題: 回覆：有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

老師同我個女講話唔駛食物喎

作者: mingmama 時間: 13-12-17 16:05 標題: 引用：老師同我個女講話唔駛食物喎 +

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老師同我個女講話唔駛食物喎

係唔駛準備食物

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-17 17:40

下, 點解呀?? 到底有冇xmas party

作者: mingmama 時間: 13-12-17 18:28 標題: 回覆：有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

今日出咗通告～冇大食會～
仲有要著校服

作者: ashellyromii 時間: 13-12-18 06:56

係囉，要著運動服，只有睇電影、問答遊戲、集體遊戲同埋抽獎

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-18 10:53

學校剛發生了不愉快事件, 唔攪大食會都係人之常情. 不過對於P1學生, 佢地有得玩已經好開心.
希望大家盡快收拾心情. 一起努力.

作者: ashellyromii 時間: 13-12-18 13:10

puppyning 哈哈哈, 但我女女睇咗通告已經好開心好期待LA, 做家長應該都同一齊期待呢~

啱嘅~puppyning

要同佢哋一齊開心先咁佢先開心呢!

作者: 719117 時間: 13-12-18 21:45 標題: 引用：學校剛發生了不愉快事件,+唔攪大食會都係人

原帖由 sammilcm 於 13-12-18 發表
學校剛發生了不愉快事件, 唔攪大食會都係人之常情. 不過對於P1學生, 佢地有得玩已經好開心.
希望大家盡快 ...

agree

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-30 09:04

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http://www.baby-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=10021241&highlight=

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-30 09:07

請看看大眾的意見

作者: mingmama 時間: 13-12-30 14:16 標題: 回覆：有無家長會因為呢件事同小朋友轉校

條link都睇唔到

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-30 15:32

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http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2733554&extra=page%3D1

作者: ashellyromii 時間: 13-12-31 07:55

已經睇咗，明白你嘅用意。
其實呢度冇人話學校處理個女仔嘅方法啱，大家都想學校會有個合理解釋同改善方法出嚟，只係喺度讀嘅人唔通要個個都發晒癲咁鬧學校咩？
就係大家都明白嗰位家長同學校嘅感受，大家都好唔開心喇！

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-31 09:49

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其實在你的言詞中, 你也覺得學校做得不對, 為何不在討論區中一起作出指控? 你不必在小朋友面前有激動表現, 只是在網上要學校道歉, 給予他們壓力而已, 相信你能做到, 如果你願意的話.

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-31 10:22

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," - President John Kennedy.

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-31 10:55 標題: 回覆：ashellyromii 的帖子

This reminds me of Jack London's credo:
"I would rather be ashes than dust,
I would rather my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze,
Than it should be stifled in dry rot.I would rather be a superb meteor,
With every atom of me in magnificent glow,
Than a sleepy and permanent planet."
共勉之！

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-31 11:10

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我地一直都有看這新聞, 沒有說過學校做法是對的. 但人人鬧鬧鬧又有咩用?? 而且已交警方handle, 可能學校唔可以係依個時間做d咩je. 點解唔可以等學校待警方查完再出來交代. 我只想講, 外界不停批評, 其實大家都唔係現場, 又點可以講到知成件事點發生呢. 只要一d人中立d, d人就係咁鬧. 我只知眼見學校一片死氣沈沈, 冇晒笑容. 咁對所有學生都唔會係一件好事. 我地只想D小朋友唔會係一個死氣沈沈嘅地方學習. 想學校老師加油.

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-31 11:32

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你也認為他們做得不對, 那校長為何不道歉? 道歉是不會影響到警方調查的吧!

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-31 11:47

No one is 鬧鬧鬧. We are actually discussing this matter calmly in a very civilized way. Very logical reasonings have been listed out. Only by looking deeply into the matter with true reflection can help one (including the school and its students) to work through the mourn. Turning a blind eye as if nothing has ever happened will definitely make the outocme worse (from a psychological point of view).
Feeling so sad that so far good thought sharing was treated as blaming and kindness as making innuendo.
nieualma and I are NOT the parents here but just kind and righteous people with conscience.
Pls set a good role model for your kids!
Of course, sammilcm's thoughts is well taken - just that she did not seem to read my previous post on this matter.
If her reasoning is right, the Philippino Government is fdoing the right job on the hostage incident.
e.g.- 沒有說過這做法是對的. 但人人鬧鬧鬧又有咩用?
而且已交警方handle, 可能學校唔可以係依個時間做d咩je. 點解唔可以等學校待警方查完再出來交代. 我只想講, 外界不停批評, 其實大家都唔係現場, 又點可以講到知成件事點發生呢. 只要一d人中立d, d人就係咁鬧. 我只知眼見學校一片死氣沈沈, 冇晒笑容. 咁對所有學生都唔會係一件好事. 我地只想D小朋友唔會係一個死氣沈沈嘅地方學習. 想學校老師加油.

作者: nieualma 時間: 13-12-31 11:47

請認清問題的所在, 現在人人憤怒的, 是校長久一個道歉, 而不是什麼什麼程序!!!

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-31 12:19

Sammilmc’s commens are interesting in that somehow I think the Philippino Government could use them on responding to HK people’s remarks on the hostage incident too . I wonder how sammilmc would feel if that is the case.
e.g.
-我地一直都有看這新聞, 沒有說過這做法是對的.  但人人鬧鬧鬧又有咩用??
- 點解唔可以等學校待警方查完再出來交代.  我只想講, 外界不停批評, 其實大家都唔係現場, 又點可以講到知成件事點發生呢.
- 只要一d人中立d, d人就係咁鬧.
-我只知眼見學校一片死氣沈沈, 冇晒笑容.  咁對所有學生都唔會係一件好事.
Well, suffice to say that so far the fair comments from righteous people have been ill-treated and considered by some to be 鬧鬧鬧.
Reasoning, logic and kindness aside, how can constructive discussion be continued?  We are role models for our children.
Here is what I think is constructive:
- Only by looking deeply into the incident with true reflection can help the school, parents and the students to “work through” the mourning. Turning a blind eye on the matter as if nothing has ever happened simply does not help and would probably lead to a worse outcome psychologically. Sammilmc may like to look up on the science behind “post-incident debriefing for traumatic event” on the web for more scientific evidence and support. Again, this is not鬧鬧鬧 .
- As a responsible Principal, he/ she should come out in public, apologize to the students and parents, lower the flag at school, cancel celebrations and organize a mass or ceremony to pay tribute to the deceased student AND list out a concrete plan for improvement ASAP. This will definitely help to save/ raise the reputation of the school.
- As parents, you may help to reflect your opinion to the school authority for concrete improvement as you children are studying there and safety is your primary concern.
- Nieualma and I are just kind Samaritans. We just want your kids to study there happily and safely.
- Have a nice day.

作者: sammilcm 時間: 13-12-31 13:41

我不是說你們在這裡鬧鬧鬧. 而是出面好多人不停鬧, 什至講晒成間學校都有問題, 這不是太過份嗎?
我地係依間學校家長, 相信比出面任何人梗緊張佢地的安全, 不是嗎?? 但現在他們的心理更是我們最關心的. 大家想法不同, 我地唔需要人認同我地想法. 我地只想用自己方法去保護自己的子女.
明天就是新的一年. 希望基真所有人會盡快調節好心理質數. 回覆心情.

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-31 15:30

I agree with you on”大家想法不同, 我地唔需要人認同我地想法. 我地只想用自己方法去保護自己的子女” but please just stop for a second and think calmly first. A lot of mishaps in our history arise from ignorance of mankind.

In the past, parents used methods like “blood exchange & detoxification” to treat their kids when they were sick. Some even used superstitious rituals. (I am NOT talking about you but History. The examples are for illustration only). These parents also loved their children.

Later they learned science and they became more open-minded as evolution went. That’s how civilization was built…..

I really hope you could spend some time checking out what science tells us about “debriefing for traumatic event” or “ Post-incidental debriefing” on the web. This is for the interest of your kids.

By the way, have you ever asked yourself or wonder why there are so many people (who are not parents of the students of your school) out there giving fair comments (sorry but I wouldn’t use the term鬧鬧鬧) on this matter? Has it ever appear to you that somehow there might just be a chance, be it 1 in 100, that they might be right?

If only you can listen to what the public says about this incident! We all care about the students here and that’s why we spend time writing on this forum. Of course, it would be an entirely different matter if it so happens that you work for the school instead .

作者: mingmama 時間: 13-12-31 15:32 標題: 引用：我不是說你們在這裡鬧鬧鬧.+而是出面好多人

原帖由 sammilcm 於 13-12-31 發表
我不是說你們在這裡鬧鬧鬧. 而是出面好多人不停鬧, 什至講晒成間學校都有問題, 這不是太過份嗎?
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作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-31 15:44

What will people out there say if the Principal comes out in public, apologize to the students and parents, lower the flag at school, cancel celebrations and organize a mass or ceremony to pay tribute to the deceased student AND list out a concrete plan for improvement in a timely manner?

What will people out there say if the Principal can show the public that the school managment can achieve all the followings in the handling of this particular incident?
1.       Accountability,
2.       Governance,
3.       Transparency.

That will definitely help to raise the reputation of the school!

作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-12-31 15:52

Time is precious.
Better stop before I repeatedly bang my head against a brick wall.
Thank God that I have learned History, Science and some critical thinking!
Bye!

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