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作者: IMCheung 時間: 13-10-11 13:16 標題: 用外國passport 申請國際學校。。。
請問用外國passport 申請入國際學校會否易入D？
作者: FennieMan 時間: 13-10-11 16:40 標題: 引用：請問用外國passport+申請入國際學校會否易
原帖由 IMCheung 於 13-10-11 發表
請問用外國passport 申請入國際學校會否易入D？
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-11 17:14
FennieMan 發表於 13-10-11 16:40 
但如英基有冇passport都唔重要 ...
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-11 17:35
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-12 02:05 編輯
IMCheung 發表於 13-10-11 13:16
請問用外國passport 申請入國際學校會否易入D？
On internet forums like this one, there are bound to be rumours and hear-say floating around, typically in the form of stories like "I know a foreign child who was rejected" or "We don't hold foreign passports but our child was accepted" etc etc. While I don't rule out that these could well be true cases, they are the exceptions rather than the norm.
If your child has a foreign passport, ALWAYS state this fact clearly on the application form when applying to international schools. No, it is not a guarantee that your child will be accepted, it may not even increase your child's chances significantly, but not stating this fact will almost certainly REDUCE his/her chances.
作者: 紅紅 時間: 13-10-11 18:04 標題: 回覆：用外國passport 申請國際學校。。。
未必有優勢，但肯定冇蝕底
作者: IMCheung 時間: 13-10-12 01:06 標題: 回覆：用外國passport 申請國際 ...
ic, thanks for the information, I definitely will try to mark on the application form for my son. It's worth to try even though the results are uncertain!
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-12 10:54 標題: 引用：Quote:FennieMan+發表於+13-10-11+16:40+但
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-11 發表
This may have been the case previously when ESF were still receiving subvention from the Hongkong go ...
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-12 12:21
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-12 10:54
The text said ESF's "expectation" and it is not the same as ESF "enforcing" a 70% rule. I suspect th ...
"In line with the Education Bureau requirements, at least 70% of the total students enrolled will qualify as ‘non-local’, defined as being holders of an overseas passport."
http://www.esf.edu.hk/policy2013
Feel free to interpret the above in a way which suits you {:1_1:}
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-12 21:00 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-10-12+10:54+
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-12 21:11 編輯
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-12 發表
Their exact wording ...
"In line with the Education Bureau requirements, at least 70% of the total ...
Thanks for quoting the exact wording which is clear. You probably should have quoted this the first time round and avoided using your own language.
BTW, what is the EDB requirements? Many IS having more than 30% locals.
According to official document released at the end of 2012 by EDB (data as at 2011). In this couple of years, the HK local percentage can only go up:
Kingston - 65.5%Think IS - 61.5%
Norwegian IS - 55.8%
Sear Rogers IS - 48%
Concordia IS - 47%
YCIS - 41.3%
KCIS - 41%
CAIS - 33.8%
SIS - 32.8%
International College Hong Kong - 30.4%
Harrow - 30%
Note: These are "official" IS defined by EDB.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-12 21:26
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-12 21:00
Thanks for quoting the exact wording which is clear. You probably should have quoted this the first ...
Nevertheless, the figures you dug up are useful, the schools which has higher percentages tend to be the less popular ones amongst international schools (my own opinion again, in case you have a problem recognizing this) 
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-13 01:00
FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-12 21:26
I was expressing my own opinion in my own language, I'm amazed that this wasn't obvious to you.
Nev ...
Popular or not is beside the point I was trying to make, nor was it the answer to the question I was trying to ask. Where does this EDB 70% non local rule/requirement come from when many "official" IS have >30% HK locals? I believe there are existing ESF schools having a close to or higher than 30% HK locals. Deciding to apply a new rule to the biggest IS provider in HK (not the other IS) and at the same time disadvantage them by limiting their student mix is a bold move by the HK government. How do they know 30% is the magic number anyway? I wish someone has the inside story.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-13 02:06
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-13 01:00
Your language and opinion was not the same as the policy on the ESF web site ...
"they officially state on their website that they expect 70% of their students to be holders of foreign passports"
ESF's actual wording was ...
"at least 70% of the total students enrolled will qualify as ‘non-local’, defined as being holders of an overseas passport"
No, they are not exactly the same, but anyone without problems in reading comprehension would agree that mine was hardly a misinterpretation.
Please, go seek help, for your family's sake if not your own sake {:1_1:}
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-13 02:21
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-13 07:37 編輯
FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-13 02:06
Lets see, my sentence was ...
"they officially state on their website that they expect 70% of thei ...
Please, go seek help, for your family's sake if not your own sake {:1_1:}
xxxxxx
My family is doing great, thank you for your concern. Let the viewers decide who actually needs help.
"expects" vs "will qualify as" are day and night difference.
I expect young people to give seats to elderly in a busy MTR.
vs
Young people who do not give seats to elderly in a busy MTR will qualify as an punishable offense.
Anyway, there is no point continuing this. I am not the kind of people who are satisfy with "just about right".
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-13 02:37
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-13 02:21
Let the viewers decide who actually needs help
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-13 07:53
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-13 13:17 編輯
FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-13 02:37
Hehe, you're a real classic. Over the many years you have been here under the guise of many differen ...
I simply pursue truth and not putting up with "just about", "close enough", "you know what I mean" kind of response. If somebody is upset or feel uncomfortable just because others clarify an ambiguous point, I can't help it. I won't be apologetic, or change my behavior if someone happens to find it amusing or offensive.
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 13-10-13 13:56
I didn't see anything wrong with fattydaddy's first use of this word above. I am sure anyone having a proper understanding of english knows the word "expect", when used in different context, has slightly different meaning.
作者: sweetheartb 時間: 13-10-14 00:31 標題: 回覆：21Ckid 的帖子
Me too, esf's new requirement is very simple, I get that they will only take 30% max. non-foreign passport holders. Pretty obvious...however i've learned very professional english from both of them, thx both! 
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-14 09:07
I believe that it is ESF who is playing ambiguity but absolutely not fattydaddy. That statement seems to address those HK permanent resident who holds foreign passports (duel nationalities) still qualify as non-locals for the purpose of meeting government requirement.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 10:12
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-14 10:50 編輯
caa 發表於 13-10-14 09:07
I believe that it is ESF who is playing ambiguity but absolutely not fattydaddy. That statement seem ...
No, HK government has a clear definition of HK locals; HK residents without a foriegn passport. i got this definition from the EB web site:
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* In this and following entries, “HK Local” refers to Hong Kong permanent residents (with the right of abode in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region) and do not have any foreign passport (except British National (Overseas) Passport).
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Exact wording, no implies, no guess work required.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 10:48
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-14 11:09 編輯
Guys, if this forum thinks that "expects" implies "will qualify for", you must agree with the Philippines newpaper's side when they said "put behind" to mean "step forward". It is the same thing, right? Rather, the HK government and the Philippines government should seek help in English comprehension, I suppose.
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-14 11:46
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 10:12
No, HK government has a clear definition of HK locals; HK residents without a foriegn passport. i ...
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-14 11:49
What a demanding forum! Requires not only good English but also good logic...sweating I am
作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-10-14 11:56
caa 發表於 13-10-14 11:46
If HK residents without foreign passports = locals, by logic doesn't it mean that HK residents with ...
作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-10-14 11:57
But I think using a foreign passport to apply for IS, to some extend, has advantage.
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-14 12:51
本帖最後由 caa 於 13-10-14 13:12 編輯
My understanding of ESF's admission policy is that Esf needs to have 70% of its students comprising non-locals which esf management may find demanding on them. So my understanding is HK permanent residents holding overseas passports also qualify as non-locals.
I have to stress this is my understanding without verifying with ESF. As I am not interested in applying for esf nor am I writing a thesis, please ignore this post if you find understanding without verifying is insufficient for the purpose of this forum
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 13:07
caa 發表於 13-10-14 11:46
If HK residents without foreign passports = locals, by logic doesn't it mean that HK residents with ...
As i said earlier, there are many official IS in HK which have a much higher percentage than 30% of HK locals using exactly the sme definition. Now why would EB impose such a strict rule on ESF and not any other IS in HK? And ESF is supposed to just endure it? That is what I don't understand.
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-14 13:41
I think it depends on how students/parents provides their personal particulars.
A lot of people with 2 nationalities/passports would not state it on the application form. In fact, if I remember it right, parents/students have never been asked to provide information of ALL passports they hold.
It might be that one student with HK/Australian passports simply claim to be an Australian. Another student with HK/Canadian passports simply claim to be a Hong Konger. And these are both valid statement.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-14 13:44
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-14 13:46 編輯
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 13:07
Now why would EB impose such a strict rule on ESF and not any other IS in HK? And ESF is supposed to just endure it? That is what I don't understand.
...
Inline with your own spirit, you should personally visit the Education Bureau and ESF to find out, because whoever answers you here will just be telling you their understanding in their own words, which you have a problem with, remember?
Or do you "expect" officials from EB and ESF will answer you here?
Or people who answer you here "will qualify as" officials from EB and ESF?
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 14:47
FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-14 13:44
Inline with your own spirit, you should personally visit the Education Bureau and ESF to find out, ...
I don't "expect" EB and ESF officials answer questions here, but I do "expect" forum-goers to be open minded and accept clarification questions from others, especially we saw what happened in the Philippines because of inaccurate use of language in the press.
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-14 15:18
shadeslayer What you said is reasonable but does not change the EB/ESF criteria.
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I am not here to change anything.
I merely shared what I know.
If my comment is not of importance to you, just skip it.
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-14 15:46
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作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-14 15:50
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 14:47
I don't "expect" EB and ESF officials answer questions here ...
Since you don't expect EB and ESF officials to answer questions here, and you are only happy with their official answers, you are just making yourself unhappy for nothing {:1_1:}
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 16:08
What is wrong with you people, keep asking others to seek help and saying others are sick when it is you who cannot tell "expects" from "will qualify as" or "put behind" from "step forward" when people are just trying to clarify! I don't know what kind of sin did I do here to deserve insults? Anyone care to explain?
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 16:38
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-14 16:46 編輯
No, nobody explained why insult is required. People have different opinion all the time and I am just clarifying the "expects" vs "will qualify as". Can people just clarifies and move on, instead on going on and on and tell others to seek help or being sick? Do your ego hurt that much? I may be sarcastic sometimes but have I said anything as insulting as yours. Is this the style of this forum?
My point was on this seemingly arbitrary rule on ESF which seem very odd.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 16:49
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-14 16:56 編輯
No, I was the one pointing out the difference between expects and will qualify for, how could my ego hurt. I just don't like to be insulted for no reason.
有病! Seek help for you and your family.
Confirm if these are acceptable in this forum, I will use them next time, ok?
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 18:20
Yeah right, useless to ask you guys to confirm. You guys actually did those things to me. How could you possibly agree 有病！seek help etc being rude?
You know once I said something in 點評 In the other forum as an reply，the other guy said I was 鬼鼠。if you want to be nasty to someone, there really is no need for any reason. I just thought the iS forum is better.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-14 18:50
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 18:20
I just thought the iS forum is better ...
If you want official answers, go ask the officials, it is that simple {:1_1:}
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 20:49 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-10-14+18:20+
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-14 發表
If I were you, I would not dwell on it, the longer you dwell the bigger the fool you appear to be.
...
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-14 21:22
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 20:49
Even now you don't get it. I had my official answers from the web sites long ago. ...
"Now why would EB impose such a strict rule on ESF and not any other IS in HK? And ESF is supposed to just endure it? That is what I don't understand"
Incidentally, you also said "Let the viewers decide who actually needs help"
Then some viewers did decide, unfortunately their decisions were not to your liking {:1_1:}
I know we are way off topic now, everyone gave you many chances to walk away with some remaining dignity, but since you insist on playing the part of the fool, I'm obliged to let you perform your best, pray continue and let everybody be entertained
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-14 23:29 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-10-14+20:49+
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-14 23:36 編輯
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-14 發表
Oh you had official answers to your questions long ago? What might be the answers to your questions ...
Are you serious? Did I say I got answers to all my questions? I challenged "70% non locals is expected" does not imply "70% will qualify as non locals" and that deserves being treated rudely and asked to get help and be sick and be a fool?
I burst out laughing when I saw you said let others decide and the decision was not to my liking. For some magical reason, you know what other people think. The opinion of one or two other members is hardly representative. With dignity? Who didn't want to quit after he said "expects" implies "will qualify as" and started to be rude and resort to name-calling, calling others fool, seeking help and be sick? If these words gives you guys dignity, restores your ego, etc, by all means. Did I use any of these words? No. Can I use these words or something worse? Yes, I can, but I won't. Because I am not like you.
It has been fun.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-14 23:45
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-14 23:29
I burst out laughing when I saw you said let others decide and the decision was not to my liking. For some magical reason, you know what other people think ...
When our friend caa said "有病??", he/she didn't mention any names, it was just an exclamation, but you jumped on it. OK OK, you weren't annoyed, it was to your liking, if you really insist {:1_1:}
This show is getting better by the minute, please don't let it stop
作者: JoJo 時間: 13-10-15 13:53
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