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作者: thvicny 時間: 13-10-4 12:46 標題: IB課程之反思
身邊不少朋友近日都在煩惱子女的升學問題，老友C的女兒剛升上K1，已在籌謀升小安排；女兒的泳友V明年升中，她與老友S的兒子都是屬於尷尬的「band1尾、band2頭」學生，就讀區內一線小學，本身成績中上，可是若參加大抽獎，卻沒有百分百獲派band1中學的把握。為免一不小心成為攪珠機制下的犧牲品，大家都在尋找主流學校以外的可能性。IB課程於是成為不少人的心水選擇之一。「IB學校的課程如何？從小就讀主流課程的學生，轉讀IB中學會有困難嗎？」不少朋友為孩子選校，每每由最實際的問題，例如課程銜接、功課數量及將來出路等出發，這些都是重要的問題，但在選擇IB與否的問題上，是否可以再拉遠一點，由課程背後的理念和精神出發呢？
我並非升學專家，只能靠個人感受和經驗聊一聊。自從去年回歸家庭，有較多時間關顧女兒的學業，對IB、尤其是中學MYP課程算是增加了認識。MYP的數學、科學等主科，基本內容與DSE分別不大，但教學方法與評分準則大相逕庭。譬如教授幾何圖形，老師要求學生設計一幢由不同圖形組成的建築物，並解釋背後隱含的數學理念。科學堂則改以小組形式，自行製造一艘以火力推動的小船。MYP功課很多，小測次數也不少，但與主流學校相反，正因為測驗次數多，老師、學生都抱着今次失敗了，下次捲土重來的心態，壓力相對上就輕省一點了。
由主流學校走入IB的學生，最需要適應的應該是語文科。IB課程以英文為主，即使是數學、戲劇等學科，均需提交文字作業。英文科則主力教授英詩、文學分析等，這些都是本地學童較少接觸的範疇，若小朋友對英語有抗拒，轉修IB可能會有點吃力。至於中文呢，世事往往難以得一想二，連IB龍頭學校漢基國際的Bilingual Diploma比率，也跌至只有12%的新低，可想而知要同時掌握雙語的難度。
另一點要注意的是，IB講求全人發展，戲劇、體育、音樂等學科，全部都是重要科目。令人意外的是，八級鋼琴高手的音樂科成績可能平平無奇，因為技巧一般不佔分或只佔一個小比例，要學習的是不同地方的音樂風格和樂器演變；體育健將也會因為說不出跳高時應運用身上哪一組肌肉，而獲得難以置信的低分。
與小悠共同奮鬥一年，發覺IB課程並不如一些名校老師所言般顯淺，那何以由MYP升讀預科的學生，公開試成績普遍較在預科才轉讀IB的傳統學校遜色？首先當然是因為傳統學校報考IB的學生都經過精挑細選，學習路上早已經歷過不少鞭策。但修讀IB的目標，除了志在入讀一流大學外，更講究學生主動學習、關心社會、愛護他人的理念。兩者兼得固然最理想，但愉快學習有時無可避免等於要犧牲一點考試分數。這不直接關乎課程深淺，而是在於學校的定位，與及家長、學生的選擇。在真的要在好成績與保持學習興趣中二擇其一，你會如何選擇？
師資是另一個需特別留心的範疇。IB課程覆蓋範圍廣泛，學校在落實課程指引時彈性較大，所謂MYP課程較淺易，可能問題不是在課程本身，而是在於師資、程度相若的課程，經手老師作出不同的演繹，結果可以南轅北轍。好老師沒有識樣，只能透過親身接觸去感受對方的教學熱誠，直資學校陸續舉行的簡介會，家長們都不能躲懶了。
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-4 13:06 標題: 引用：身邊不少朋友近日都在煩惱子女的升學問題，
原帖由 thvicny 於 13-10-04 發表
身邊不少朋友近日都在煩惱子女的升學問題，老友C的女兒剛升上K1，已在籌謀升小安排；女兒的泳友V明年升中， ...
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咁要問真道為何 Bilingual diploma 比率咁高。
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-10-4 13:24
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作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-4 14:12
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大學收學生，會好仔細睇學生讀了邊科，每科幾多分。
讀 english b 到底對學生申請大學時，有多少蝕底真係好難講。
香港好似大部份 ib 學校 (包括男拔) 都係讀主要係讀 english a。
我知曾經有外籍學生在國際學校係讀 english b + 例如 french a，但人地將來係回自己國家讀大學。
我相信主流英語國家 (英美澳加)，都係 expect 學生讀 english a。
作者: annie40 時間: 13-10-4 14:15
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All other international schools would define Bilingual Diploma as candidates taking Language English (A) and second language in either French (A), Chinese (A) Spanish (A), or German (A).
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-10-4 14:20
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作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-4 14:21
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-4 13:06
咁要問真道為何 Bilingual diploma 比率咁高。
如果真係 english b + chinese a 計，有冇資料顯示學生入邊 d 大學，讀邊科。
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-4 14:24
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連IB龍頭學校漢基國際的Bilingual Diploma比率，也跌至只有12%的新低，
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我又覺得唔可以話係 "跌"。
每個學生背景和能力不同，或者下年 % 又多番都未定。
作者: annie40 時間: 13-10-4 14:28
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2013 年KGV 的其中一位状元是44分, Bilingual Diploma . 一般IS 不会盲目要求学生考Bilingual Diploma, 能考的的PG 估计second language 的 (A) paper standard level, 平均是五或以上, 因此不会明显被language 拖低总成绩的
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-10-4 14:36
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作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-4 14:39
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2013 年KGV 的其中一位状元是44分, Bilingual Diploma . 一般IS 不会盲目要求学生 ...
從實用性出發，我唔會只看有冇 bilingual diploma，或總分係幾多。
問題係，我覺得 english b 真係好 "咋" 。
講真，如果靠個咁 "騎呢" 的組合，拿個 bilingual diploma；作為學生/家長，我寧願冇 bilingual diploma，和英文低分少少，都要保住個 english a。
因此，我好想知呢批學生入到 d 咩大學。
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-10-4 14:50
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作者: annie40 時間: 13-10-4 14:52
如果靠個咁 "騎呢" 的組合，拿個 bilingual diploma
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据知这个咁 "騎呢" 的組合, 根本不算是bilingual diploma, 是否有人误导群众, 咋咋弟第博大雾?
如果甘都得, 其他IS 都老早跟左呢套啦!
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-10-4 14:56
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作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-4 15:03
annie40 發表於 13-10-4 14:52
如果靠個咁 "騎呢" 的組合，拿個 bilingual diploma
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据知这个咁 "騎呢" 的組合, ...
幾個月前有討論過，有網友話係正式 bilingual diploma，我都有睇過 ibo 網，的確係 legit。
算係走精面，但唔係誤導。
其他學校點解唔跟？
因為咁樣的組合，入大學真係好大問題，作為負責任的學校，我覺得要將學生的入大學機會提高，而唔係為做靚條數而建議學生咁選科。
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-4 15:18 標題: 引用：如果靠個咁+"騎呢"+的組合，拿個+bilingual
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如果靠個咁 "騎呢" 的組合，拿個 bilingual diploma
**** ***** ***
据知这个咁 "騎呢" 的組合, ...
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-4 15:25
ckwliu 發表於 13-10-4 14:50
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Ha! but it's a smart move! Logos gets high total marks and at the same time ge ...
如果單看學生選科的情形，我覺得 cky 做法較恰當。
學校成績出來，其實都只係面子問題；學校整體 average 高，當然開心，但學生前路，先應該係最重要。
學校應就學生能力，興趣和前途，給學生一個較好的建議。
作者: annie40 時間: 13-10-4 15:26
Exactly! I guess some schools like GSI, French Int., Japanese Int can take German, French and Japanese as Lang A!
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Only FIS can make it possible. Others are not that good at teaching the foreign languages as 1st language.
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-4 15:37
ckwliu Exactly! I guess some schools like GSI, French Int., Japanese Int can take German, French and Japanese as Lang A!
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都要考慮實用性問題。
我知有外籍生會讀 english b + 母語 a，但人地會回國讀大學 (如回法國)。
香港學生，在香港讀大學都應該要有 english a，去英美更加唔駛講。
重點係，其他香港 ib 生比較下，人地大部份都係 english a，自己得 english b，一定蝕底。
唔好忘記，香港的大學都係用英文教書為主。
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-10-4 15:40
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作者: Artie 時間: 13-10-4 16:02
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Oh I mean that CKY insist on Chinese A and insist on getting bilingual diploma ...
選科，都要看學生能力。即係例如 math，都有分 hl ，sl 和 math studies。讀 math studies 的實際用途不大，好多大學不承認 math studies 是 high school math。至於讀 math hl 定 math sl，又要看學生將來大學想讀邊科。好多人都話讀文科可以唔駛讀 math sl，但好多學生都照讀。唔好計 d 分計得咁足。我一定唔會比仔女讀 english b。
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-4 16:16 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+Artie+於+13-10-4+16:03+編輯+
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Del.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-10-4 17:07
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I actually thought the way Logos does it would also have been a bilingual diploma before. The change in 2013 was to take away the extended essay option in writing it in another language.
In any event, one can say Logos way is "smart", though this is not the type of "smartness" that I would like to see in my children.
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-10-4 17:27
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作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-10-4 17:40
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I think of it as a challenge? It is not easy to get and I think a mark of someone's achievement in languages. Though I agree there probably aren't a lot of tangible value.
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-4 17:43 標題: 引用：係香港,現在依一刻英文好,仍然係較易揾好工
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係香港,現在依一刻英文好,仍然係較易揾好工!
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-10-4 18:18
Total IB score and the subjects taken are the most important things to consider in terms of university application. A bilingual diploma will not give you any added benefit. HK UST does not care whether you take Chinese A or B. Chinese B and Math studies plus a high DP score can also lead one to a place to study law in Oxford University.
US top universities will be a different story, though. They would like to see students are expected to challenge themselves. So a Chinese student taking Chinese B may be a concern; or a student scores a 7 in math studies may be questioned why not taking math SL.
作者: annie40 時間: 13-10-4 19:23
good point
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-10-4 20:11
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del.
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-4 21:19 標題: 引用：Total+IB+score+and+the+subjects+taken+ar
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Total IB score and the subjects taken are the most important things to consider in terms of universi ...
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-4 21:20 標題: 回覆：hkparent 的帖子
Is it possible for an IS student to score well in Chi A?
作者: cowmoon 時間: 13-10-4 22:52
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I am from a local school myself and in my old days, we had no other choice but HKCEE. My classmates who got a credit (B or C) in English subject (which was definitely "Use of English" without literature element) still got admitted to nice universities in US, Canada or Australia ... and they survived very well.
I just want to say, while we would expect that students from IS should take English A as they are mostly native speakers, I do not agree that Logos let students (who are mostly local HK Chinese) take English B and Chinese A is purely an act of "smartness". It's not just about the language skills but also cultural exposure. And why can't graduates of Logos do well in universities ?
作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-10-4 22:57
hkparent 發表於 13-10-4 21:19
So, if I want to study in US, better take Eng A and Chi A. Bilingual diploma will be an added benefi ...
Probably yes in terms of rigour of curriculum. This is however only one of the factors considered by US universities. As far as I know, the US system is very different. While HK and the UK focus very much on academic results and why a student is interested in the subject he/she applies for, US universities are more focus on the student as a whole. They require academic results from year 9 onwards, SAT results, predicted IB grades and extra-curricular activities.
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 13-10-4 23:04
Chinese A is not for every one, even considering those grown up and educated in local schools in HK. At our old times, we only took Chinese up to HKCE level, with limited Chinese literature. At A level, most of us didn't take Chinese. So, Chinese A is too hard for me. I got a B in HKCE Chinese, and I think I can only reach the Chinese B higher level requirement of IB.
The language requirement of IB diploma is really tough, if compared with our time when most of us only took "Use of English" to meet the requirement of HKU.
Meeting one Language A requirement is already tough for our kids, if they want to make a high score. If some of them can study 2 Language A, they are talented indeed.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-4 23:14
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Chinese A is not for every one, even considering those grown up and educated in local schools in HK. ...
作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-10-4 23:18
foolish.mom 發表於 13-10-4 23:04
Chinese A is not for every one, even considering those grown up and educated in local schools in HK. ...
True, if a student takes Chinese A, effectively he/she will competing with students in Mainland China.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-10-5 00:54
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I agree with you that US universities do like to see students challenge themselves and it could be in academics, sports, leadership, .... I also think it is a much better attitude to have in life than "sandbagging"
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-5 04:57
這篇轉貼文章用了很多二分法的對比，我的看法在0 與1之間有不少組合及優次。
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兩年多前我都出貼討論過Bilingual Diploma , 當時正籍IBO會在今年改變語文課程，因為當時思路是中英皆A，可以沒有太大結論。我會將Bilingual Diploma 當Bonus, 在 Tie break 時作分野，中大醫學院以 Bilingual Diploma作優先選錄。
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我看不同學校可以對語文要求有不同理解，如果高比率 Bilingual Diploma，但大部份學生入讀的大學及學科只是普通，已反映大學如何評價學生的英文語文能力及真實成績，當學校贏到掌聲，學生不一定拿到更好的學位及機會，家長及學校是值得反思。
現在學校終於開放英文A，已反映學校吸取教訓，回歸正宗的 Bilingual Diploma 定義，雖然遲左 d，但是有進步。
我嘗試參照不同大學的對照，例如港大醫學院的英文要求，A HL要4，A SL要5，B要7，我會將這批學生成績減 2 分作比較及分析。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-5 07:50 標題: 引用：這篇轉貼文章用了很多二分法的對比，我的看
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這篇轉貼文章用了很多二分法的對比，我的看法在0 與1之間有不少組合及優次。
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Thanks. 減兩分比較不是 IBO sanctioned 吧？有這取向的大學有幾多？
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-5 08:42 標題: 引用：這篇轉貼文章用了很多二分法的對比，我的看
原帖由 ANChan59 於 13-10-05 發表
這篇轉貼文章用了很多二分法的對比，我的看法在0 與1之間有不少組合及優次。
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I read from earlier newspaper that many of their students go to the 3 universities in HK and some to Imperial College UK. This is impressive. If my son's school can do that I will be very satisfied.
作者: kym 時間: 13-10-5 09:03
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個人感覺大學對 Bilingual Diploma 也不是太重視。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-5 09:11
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你誤會了！
我不是指IBO 或大學正式扣分，我只是用當年會考英文科有甲乙之分，此A不同彼A的類此比較。
我的處理方法可以將成績作跨校比較。你可以有相反意見！
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-5 09:21
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你弄錯了，我是指英文而非中文。
遲些各校詳列學生的大學及學科，大家會明白我所指的分別。當然我的要求會高些，比較會細細緞些。
例如43分足可以入到三大神科，如果孿生醫科，法律，GBus欠奉，只是一般科目，why?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-5 09:23
kym 發表於 13-10-5 09:03
個人感覺大學對 Bilingual Diploma 也不是太重視。
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-5 10:25 標題: 引用：回復+hkparent+的帖子
你弄錯了，我是指英
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你弄錯了，我是指英文而非中文。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-5 10:42
hkparent 發表於 13-10-5 10:25
That's why I prefer IS for my child. Mindset of local students is that only medic, law and global bu ...
各司其職就好！
你知唔知我講緊邊類學校？如果搭錯線，好難再討論。
作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-10-5 10:51
ANChan59 發表於 13-10-5 09:23
香港的大學不太重視是事實。
作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-10-5 10:53
poonseelai 發表於 13-10-5 10:51
兩星期前在學校聽中大和港大代表介紹non-jupas收生程序時，中大只要求考生要識聽講廣東話，因要到醫院實習 ...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-5 11:08 標題: 引用：回復+shadeslayer+的帖子 你誤會了！我不
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作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-5 11:14 標題: 引用：Quote:hkparent+發表於+13-10-5+10:25+That
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你的道理較特別，選神科不一定全為高薪厚職，不應事事二分法。
各司其職就好！
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-5 12:23
大學除了中文系，不是所有學科都以英文為教學語言?如只有英文B的程度是否可應付?醫科丶商業甚至哲學等，都是看英文課本和參考書，正常IS都是default Eng A
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-5 12:37 標題: 引用：大學除了中文系，不是所有學科都以英文為教
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大學除了中文系，不是所有學科都以英文為教學語言?如只有英文B的程度是否可應付?醫科丶商業甚至哲學等，都 ...
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-10-5 14:46
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作者: kym 時間: 13-10-5 15:32
美國大學收生要看很多因素，SAT、校內成績、課外活動等。沒有要求一定要是bilingual diploma的。
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-5 15:58
I think most US people do not speak any language other than English. Only European and HK (due to historical reasons) people speak more than one. IB originates from Europe. But when I look at some UK schools with excellent IB results such as Sevenoaks, I can't find any mentioning of bilingual diploma but it gives detailed breakdowns of scores got by its students on each subject listed by HL or SL.
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-10-5 20:18
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caa 發表於 13-10-5 12:23
大學除了中文系，不是所有學科都以英文為教學語言?如只有英文B的程度是否可應付?醫科丶商業甚至哲學等，都 ...
Del.
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-6 00:20
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Sorry don't quite get it. Which part is not ＂真相＂？
Actually I was just talking about textbooks and reference books. But why would university students skip classes if a Chinese professor speaks English in class?
作者: slamai 時間: 13-10-6 01:10
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At the information day of HKUST last week, the briefing session of the Global China Studies mentioned that the admission criteria for DSE applicants were English x 2 + 5 best subjects (i.e. Chinese not necessarily counted except for a minimum 3 to satisfy the JUPAS requirements). The reason given was that the students would be required to refer to primarily English journals for their academic writings. Given the nature of this programme, we can realise the importance of Chinese as seen from the perspectives of the local Us.
作者: candicemammy 時間: 13-10-7 06:36 標題: 引用：Quote:caa+發表於+13-10-5+12:23+大學除了
原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-10-05 發表
如果真相是這樣，我估會有好多學生走堂。除非個professor 係西人，否則好多都廣東話講，英文課本。
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I'll be shocked!!!!! Even at local high school, I was taught exclusively in English except Chinese and Chinese related subjects back then! And I don't recall any scenarios with Chinese Prof speaking Chinese during lectures!
I personally don't get the point of having BD with Eng B and Chi A. Chinese is very different from other European languages. HK Chinese do not have as much exposure to 'traditional' Chinese literatures as their counterparts in Europe and also it is totally a different story in Mainland China. Thus, getting high scores in Chi A is harsh while Eng B seems not enough :p
作者: vivicui 時間: 13-10-7 08:19
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作者: sschiu 時間: 13-10-7 09:02
ckwliu 發表於 13-10-5 14:46
Hey guys, don't understand why the debate is on whether Lang A is more "useful"or "better" than Lang ...
The beauty of the IB Diploma programme is the choices it offers for students with differing interests and strengths. It offers a wide variety of subjects at different levels. It can be tailored to suit individual needs. However, it's a pity that HK schools and parents are adopting it narrow-mindedly (though may be partially due to resources problems), just like the Logos case.
Comparing IB with DSE, which requires that students must achieve Level 3 in Chinese in order to be accepted by Jupas university places. A student talented in Maths or Science or Art whatever might have been shut out of the university doors! What kind of mentality is this?
作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-10-7 09:29
sschiu 發表於 13-10-7 09:02
Can't agree more!
The beauty of the IB Diploma programme is the choices it offers for stu ...
Choosing DP subjects should be based on students' interest, university/career preference AND ability. So I just cannot understand how can a school ask all students to take Chinese A.
RE JUPAS' requirement on Chinese, I think it is because in the old days students would have got at lease a pass in Chinese in HKCEE for them to be accepted to AL. The question is that the current DSE Chinese includes Chinese Lit which was not mandatory in the former HKCEE. Anyway it is good to see best 5 is becoming more popular as the selection criteria.
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-7 17:29
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ANChan59 發表於 13-10-5 04:57
這篇轉貼文章用了很多二分法的對比，我的看法在0 與1之間有不少組合及優次。
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ANChan59 發表於 13-10-5 04:57
[“我看不同學校可以對語文要求有不同理解，如果高比率 Bilingual Diploma，但大部份學生入讀的大學及學科只是普通，已反映大學如何評價學生的英文語文能力及真實成績，當學校贏到掌聲，學生不一定拿到更好的學位及機會，家長及學校是值得反思。＂]
當日和女兒商討轉校的其中一個原因正是因為學校只提供 English B，沒有 English A 的選擇。
前周末和女兒見面時，問她現在修讀 English A: Lang & Lit 的感覺，她的回應是，她很享受 Lang & Lit 的課程，說可以學習和欣賞一種語文，和 English B 是不一樣的＂境界＂。
[“現在學校終於開放英文A，已反映學校吸取教訓，回歸正宗的 Bilingual Diploma 定義，雖然遲左 d，但是有進步。”]
舊校當晚在家長會宣佈在今學年提供 English A: Lang & Lit(Standard Level) 時，特別提醒家長，若由 English B(Higher Level) 轉去English A: Lang & Lit(Standard Level) ，不單衹英文科深了，又要有另一科(e.g. Maths, Phy, Chem, Bio, Geog, Psy, etc.) 從 Standard Level升做 Higher Level. 是雙重困難。結果，好似今學年完全沒有學生修讀 English A. LOL
[“我嘗試參照不同大學的對照，例如港大醫學院的英文要求，A HL要4，A SL要5，B要7，我會將這批學生成績減 2 分作比較及分析。”]
我同意在修讀 English A(Standard Level) 和 English B(Higher Level) 之間，加埋一科由
Higher Level降落 Standard Level的安排，overall score是有 +2分的優勢。
但最終是要問問是求學問，還是求分數。
作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-10-7 17:57
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"是求學問，還是求分數" 
作者: kym 時間: 13-10-7 18:11
兩樣都咁重要。
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-7 18:40 標題: 回覆：daisychan 的帖子
If they take Eng A, can they take Chi B? The effort should be the same. Is it foolish to take Chi A if it is not recognized in HK but the student has to study so hard on Chi literature?
But I think all local school students should take Chi A. If they take Chi B, shall we reduce their scores by two points?
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-7 18:45 標題: 回覆：hkparent 的帖子
Or simply put it like this for comparison: if a student takes both Eng A and Chi A (eg SPCC), don't reduce any point. If a student takes Eng A and Chi B (eg DBS and most IS) or Chi A and Eng B (Logos), reduce by two points.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-7 20:43
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DBS from this year onward, Chinese A as compulsory or taking French or German.
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-7 21:06
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DBS from this year onward, Chinese A as compulsory or taking French or German ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-7 21:24
caa 發表於 13-10-7 21:06
Is English A compulsory as well?
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-7 22:07
ANChan59 發表於 13-10-7 21:24
By default.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-7 22:12
caa 發表於 13-10-7 22:07
Wow both eng A and Chin A. If it were me who don't like chin literature and never think of pursuing ...
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-7 22:46
ANChan59 發表於 13-10-7 22:12
For IB Chinese Lang Lit, looks not the same as local Chinese curriculum.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-7 23:24
ANChan59 發表於 13-10-7 21:24
By default.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-7 23:48
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-7 23:24
That is 100% BD at DBS and is compulsory! Whoever cannot do both Chi A and Eng A don't even think a ...
In the last IB Admission Talk, some parents from ESF and IS complained about the Chinese admission test including literature critique.....
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-8 00:51 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子
I think SPCC has been doing both Chi A and Eng A. So cool. The 40 average score is a real score that we should highly applaud.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-8 01:06
hkparent 發表於 13-10-8 00:51
I think SPCC has been doing both Chi A and Eng A. So cool. The 40 average score is a real score that ...
In previous years, they posted the choices of Language 1 and Language 2, if my memory don't fool me, Chi B was an option.
作者: annie40 時間: 13-10-8 13:35
是求學問，還是求分數
***** ****
假如两者只能择其一, 我会選求學問!!!!
人生路漫长,习惯于本末倒置的人, 容易养成为惯性的逃避行为. 结果的損失,一定比失掉一两分多很多, 很多吧!
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-8 16:02
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["If they take Eng A, can they take Chi B? The effort should be the same. Is it foolish to take Chi A if it is not recognized in HK but the student has to study so hard on Chi literature?"]
According to their IB curriculum:
The following subjects of IBDP are available for students to study in their first year in 2013-2014:
Group 1: Chinese Language A: Language and Literature (SL)
English Language A: Language and Literature (SL)
Group 2: English B (HL)
Each student is required to:
(1) take “Chinese Language A: Language and Literature” in Group 1;
(2) choose either “English Language A: Language and Literature” from Group 1 or “English B” from Group 2;
So, Group 1 Chinese Language A: Lang & Lit is compulsory. But for local chinese students, Standard Level wouldn't be too difficult, I think. Mainland students normally take Higher Level.
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-8 16:13
caa 發表於 13-10-7 22:07
Wow both eng A and Chin A. If it were me who don't like chin literature and never think of pursuing a language related career, I would definitely leave for other IB schools such as Li Po Chun or CIS.
For Li Po Chun, I understand that they require all students from local schools to choose Chinese A (HL or SL), unless there are good reasons.
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-8 16:34
caa 發表於 13-10-7 22:46
...I will definitely go for a school and program that can give the best support and increase my chance of getting into my desired university!
Depending on which universities and programs you desire, you should choose the right IBDP subjects and levels.
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-8 16:57
To my understanding, there is no "Chinese B" under Group 2, but only "Mandarin B" which is much more easier than "Chinese A - Lang & Lit (SL)". Just like "English B" vs "English A".
Therefore, IB schools will require local students to take Chinese A (HL/SL) under Group 1, leading to BD.
Correct me if I am wrong, please.
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-8 17:21 標題: 回覆：daisychan 的帖子
So LPC is another school that requires local students to take both Chi A and Eng A. Good.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-10-8 18:20
daisychan 發表於 13-10-8 16:57
To my understanding, there is no "Chinese B" under Group 2, but only "Mandarin B" which is much mor ...
作者: Artie 時間: 13-10-8 18:43
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可能係個別學校內部係叫 chinese b，有時網友討論也會說是 chinese b。
但 ibo dp 的考試，是沒有 chinese b，只有 mandarin b 或 cantonese b。
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-9 00:43 標題: 回覆：Artie 的帖子
University of Oxford
http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate_courses/courses/courses_and_entrance_requirements/english_language.html
International Baccalaureate Standard Level (SL): score of 5 in English (as Language A or B)
Excellence in the subjects applied for is far more important than English language unless you take language subjects.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-10-9 09:14
Well, this is the min requirement. Just like DSE the min requirement is 3322 but the universities will use Best 5 in most cases.
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-9 09:23
poonseelai 發表於 13-10-9 09:14
Well, this is the min requirement. Just like DSE the min requirement is 3322 but the universities w ...
Agree. This is only the min. requirement. They only require IELTS of 7.0 and GCE O-Level with Grade B!
As I said before, depending on your target Us and programs, you need to choose the right subjects and levels.
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-9 09:29
Also, bearing in mind you normally can't get a place in OxBridge without 42+. That means all the applicants will have at least 6 in each subject.
So, what will the OxBridge choose among students with 6 in English A and 7 in English B.
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-9 12:16 標題: 回覆：daisychan 的帖子
For Oxbridge applications, English won't be a critical point. The most important thing is interview performance. Maybe oral English is even more important.
作者: foolish.mom 時間: 13-10-9 18:20
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I know of a case in which the conditional offer from Cambridge is certain total points in IB, plus at least a 6 in English A. That became the most worried part of the conditional offer of the boy, as his English is relatively weak as compared with other subjects. Eventually he was admitted. Don't know if Cambridge set this condition because the interviewer noticed that English was the weakest part of the boy.
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-9 21:55 標題: 回覆：foolish.mom 的帖子
Probably. If the boy had performed better in the interview, the conditional offer shouldn't be so high. If English is specifically mentioned in the conditional offer, his oral English may not be up to standard.
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-10 15:11
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I know of a case in which the conditional offer from Cambridge is certain tota ...
你呢個例子就更加證明，現實唔可能 english b 都會收囉，連 english a 都一定要 6 分喎。
一向都話唔好跟 minimum entrance requirement 做人。
問過有 d 大學 (唔係一線如 oxbridge 和 ivy league，但都係 "名校")，話佢地 minimum requirement 係 28 分就會 consider。真係得啖笑，我就唔信 28 分可以入到那間大學的 pure science 或 engineering (北美大學，law 和 med 不是 first year entry)，話晒都係 "名校"，就算係冷門科都唔會 "冇客仔" 都咁卦。
其實真係有部份大學某 d 科，的確講明一定要 english a，要求的分未必高，可能只係合格 (即 4 分) 就得，但佢地寧願要個 english a 4 分，都唔要 english b 7 分。
話說回頭，如果學生真係冇 english a 的水平，要佢讀又真係會好辛苦，讀 english b 都好正常。
公度 d 講，我地唔可能 expect 間間本地學校都有 dbs 和 spcc 的水平，可以全部 ib 學生讀 english a。
不過學生和家長都要明，如果真係讀 english b，將來入大學時選科就有的確有限制，呢個係事實。
明白自己的定位，選大學選科時唔好咁進取，就唔會冇大學讀。
舉個例，讀 english b ，應該入本地大學 "神科" 冇可能了。
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-10 15:40
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hkparent 發表於 13-10-9 12:16
For Oxbridge applications, English won't be a critical point. The most important thing is interview ...
No doubt, interview performance is one of the major assessment criteria for university admissions. My point is under a tie-break situation, when two applicants with a difference in IB scores of less than 2 and their other performances including interviews are very close, just like Oxbridge applications, all the potential successful applicants are 43+. English A or English B will definitely be very critical. Nintendo has also raised this point above.
作者: daisychan 時間: 13-10-10 15:46
nintendo 發表於 13-10-10 15:11
你呢個例子就更加證明，現實唔可能 english b 都會收囉，連 english a 都一定要 6 分喎。
一向都話唔好跟 ...
評論中肯，真係唔可以自欺欺人。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-10 16:05
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舉個例，讀 english b ，應該入本地大學 "神科" 冇可能了。
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我都想知有冇！
去到神科，幾多人爭，點解選過英文B，又不是冇得簡。收咗都要考慮能否應付。
作者: hkparent 時間: 13-10-10 17:30 標題: 回覆：ANChan59 的帖子
Can Chi B enter 神科 in CUHK?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-10-10 19:27
hkparent 發表於 13-10-10 17:30
Can Chi B enter 神科 in CUHK?
三年前中大聽NJ收生，如果不是本土學制，可以申請豁免，根本可以不用中文，例如GCE，SAT，AP。
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