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作者: epsonprinter 時間: 13-10-2 14:29 標題: struggling--IS or local stream?
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作者: himching 時間: 13-10-2 14:57
Your case is similar to my daughter: shy but stubborn.
But I think in another way:
(1) Shy is natural for little child to protect herself from stranger. Good. 
(2) Stubborn means 有主見,
I always take time to let my daughter change her mind by giving her reasons, as I know if she takes my opinion, she will do it better later on. For little children, they learn so-called obedience from curiosity, not from schedule.
As a result, it is nothing to do with whether the school is IS or LS, but for IS, resaoning is always encouraged, so I choose IS for my daughters and so far so good.
It is my experience to share only. Any disagreement? I don't care.:)
作者: epsonprinter 時間: 13-10-2 15:24
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作者: himching 時間: 13-10-2 16:28
You are welcome. Please don't mind me asking a question: why it is your family member to tell you that you daughter is exceptionally stubborn instead of yourself. Suppose you know your daughter more than others.
At this time, the important thing is to pass the interview and get a seat for your lovely daughter, no matter it is IS or Local school. Other worries like math / chinese bra bra bra.....are meaningless right now. You have long time to worry about these academic issue. Good Luck.
作者: oooray 時間: 13-10-2 16:49
Consulting family members or friends will 90% conclude that local school is your best option.
(In fact 90% children [wild guess, no statistics supported] studying in local schools, there is no reason why parents sending their children to local schools but supporting you IS is a better option[even though it may be true)
Education is much much more than shaping the character of a child.
If you are still struggling to go to LS or IS when your daughter has already been studying in Boxhill (The question behind : why did you send your daughter to Boxhill?).
If you are not sure what you need from the education, I bet you better go to local school. I am confident that 90% of your friends and family member will agree your decision.
Last but not least, I think you need to do something at home to re-shape your daughter's character if you really feel it will be problematic.
Schools (LS or IS) have no responsibility to do this for you.
Good luck.
作者: epsonprinter 時間: 13-10-2 18:16 標題: 回覆：struggling--IS or local stream?
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作者: caa 時間: 13-10-2 18:54
本帖最後由 caa 於 13-10-2 19:52 編輯
Wrong post
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-2 19:36
It does not matter what the child's character is, every child should be taught to follow basic rules, basic etiquette. I do agree some children are more willing than others to follow rules.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-3 11:07 標題: 引用：My+girl+is+now+in+Boxhill+and+I+am+strug
原帖由 epsonprinter 於 13-10-02 發表
My girl is now in Boxhill and I am struggling whether to let her go for IS or local stream.
She is ...
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-10-3 12:52
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-3 11:07
Leniency is probably not the right word. While LS set up rules to ensure conformity, IS set up rules ...
其實好多人聽 d 唔聽 d，估下估下。
國際學校都唔係冇王管，一上小學，學生都係要正正經經定定地上堂。
做家長，真係要教好小朋友要守規舉，唔好以為讀國際學校真乜都得。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-3 13:18 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-10-3+11:07+L
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-3 13:21 編輯
原帖由 nintendo 於 13-10-03 發表
其實好多人聽 d 唔聽 d，估下估下。
國際學校都唔係冇王管，一上小學，學生都係要正正經經定定地上堂。
做 ...
Yes, a very common misunderstanding among HK local school arents.
作者: MrsGM 時間: 13-10-3 13:35 標題: 引用：My+girl+is+now+in+Boxhill+and+I+am+strug
原帖由 epsonprinter 於 13-10-02 發表
My girl is now in Boxhill and I am struggling whether to let her go for IS or local stream.
She is ...
作者: oooray 時間: 13-10-3 13:51
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Sorry for being directed. I saw your another thread that your daughter is just in Nursery level. It seems to early to conclude that she is stubborn or born to be hot-tempered. I still believe that it has to be corrected at home, not at the school.I do respect your friends and family members comment but every single child is individual. Parents must be the one who knows her mostly and knows which is the best for her.
I did attempt to explain the advantages of IS to my Mom. My reply is that no need to spend so much money in child's education, that's all.
Who's right? Who's wrong?
作者: himching 時間: 13-10-3 14:44
係教育子女問題上, 父母必須有最終決定權, 當與老人家有衝突時, 我會選擇做不孝角色, 開始會同老人家關係惡劣, 尤其是同老人家同住, 只要仔女有改善, 老人家自然會尊重父母決定.
作者: epsonprinter 時間: 13-10-3 16:26 標題: 引用：回復+epsonprinter+的帖子 Sorry+for+bein
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作者: epsonprinter 時間: 13-10-3 16:28 標題: 引用：回復+epsonprinter+的帖子 Sorry+for+bein
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作者: epsonprinter 時間: 13-10-3 16:29 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+epsonprinter+於+13-10-02+發
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作者: MrsGM 時間: 13-10-3 18:13 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+MrsGM+於+13-10-03+發表Hi!+M
原帖由 epsonprinter 於 13-10-03 發表
I remember u ar! Indeed my girl is in koala A, and I remember your son is in the same class! I also ...
作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-10-3 22:04 標題: 回覆：epsonprinter 的帖子
From another view, she is strong in character.
Guide her patiently and choose a suitable school for her.
I chose IS because he could have a more enjoyable learning environment.
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 13-10-6 12:58
LS is the "mainstream" eduaction path for local chinese, and if you are in doubt and you don't know enough about the non-mainstream (mainly IS, where only 3% of locals attend) and need to rely too much on info in public forums (where at least this one is dominated by a few number of people with extreme loyalty to certain type of IS and certain type of parenting style or indeed social values), don't go for it. It is also easier (relatively) to switch from LS to IS than from IS to LS.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-6 14:14
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-6 14:25 編輯
21Ckid 發表於 13-10-6 12:58 
LS is the "mainstream" eduaction path for local chinese, and if you are in doubt and you don't know ...
I fully agree that if in doubt opting for local schools is the safer choice, especially for local families who have no plans to leave Hongkong.
Local schooling is the mainstream all over the world, and mainstream education is shaped by society. Local schools in Hongkong are the way they are not by chance but because the majority of Hongkongers, rightly or wrongly, wanted them to be that way. Opting out of the mainstream means non-conformance, and in East Asian societies non-conformance could be costly.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-6 19:32 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+13-10-6+14:25+
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本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-6 14:25 編輯
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Not sure about this. HK parents never have much say in how the schools and curriculum are developed. The DSS gives parents certain alternative choices in the last twenty years but that is about it. Seeing the rise of many DSS schools with non traditional teaching and curriculum, what the parents like is very clear.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-7 00:43
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-6 19:32
Seeing the rise of many DSS schools with non traditional teaching and curriculum, what the parents like is very clear. ...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-7 09:25 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-10-6+19:32+S
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-07 發表
Old traditions die hard, some DSS schools may appear non-traditional and experiment with new style t ...
Anyway, my point was HK people never really influenced the education system. How could they? Both in colonial times or after 97. Just because 95% of HK people take buses does not mean they prefer taking buses and think they are the best mode of transportation. Just because 95% of students study in local schools does not mean they prefer traditional local schools and think they are the best education for their children.
Making the link between the local schools and what HK parents want is an assumption made on shaky grounds.
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 13-10-7 11:56
I don't think we are talking about parents' preference for the type of schools. I don't know about fattydaddy, but for me, i was saying the most fool-proof approach is not to take the unconventional way in particular if you really don't know what it is all about.
In fact, the number of applications for schools like DGS DBS SPCC YW etc explains people's preferences (rightly or wrongly). And even among non-LS, those that has a strongly LS element like ISF are getting extremely popular. Also, while many people here are unwilling to believe, many parents who can afford IS choose LS because they believe IS are for the under performers.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-7 12:41
本帖最後由 FattyDaddy 於 13-10-8 02:52 編輯
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-7 09:25
you are kidding yourself if you say these are not among the most popular schools. ...
That was not my point. I did not say these "new style" DSS schools are not popular, in fact schools like SPCC and DBS have always been popular, long before IB, long before this talk of "new style teaching".
I was saying DSS schools, new style or otherwise, MUST put the majority of their students through local exams (it is a condition of receiving DSS funding), and local exams are based on model answers, so these schools will end up teaching model answers in order to achieve good exam results, no matter how fancy their teaching style may appear to be in the early grades.
As to whether Hongkongers had an influence in local education, let reality speak for itself. How did rote learning and model answer based exams come about? Introduced by the Brits? No, in fact they go back centuries to 科舉 and 八股文. If Hongkongers never had any influence or say, then Hongkong education would have been like that in Britain, but it was not.
作者: caa 時間: 13-10-7 14:09
FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-7 12:41
That was not my point. I did not say these "new style" DSS schools are not popular, in fact schools ...
I don't agree that HK's existing education system and situation after 1997 is in any way driven by parents. It is attributable to a few government officers (policy makers) who lack the vision, ability, courage and integrity. They lack vision, ability and courage as what they have done is just to copy. The HKDSE is a wanabee IB program where they only copied the hardware (choice of subjects - requirement to study both humanities and science) but not software (lack of teaching methodology and training of teachers). They lack integrity as they push forward policies they actually don't believe in by sending their own children to overseas or international schools.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-7 20:53
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-10-7 21:03 編輯
FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-7 12:41
That was not my point. I did not say these "new style" DSS schools are not popular, in fact schools ...
If Hongkongers never had any influence or say, then Hongkong education would have been like that in Britain, but it was not.
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That is a again a bold assumption that British, given a chance, would implement what they use back home in HK.
Ask around, how many of you or your local friends had any input to the DSE curriculum? How many of you or your local friends did not agree to removing Chinese History as a compulsory subject. How many of you or your local friends had any input to the way liberal studies is taught or exam'ed?
I am saying HK parents under british or chinese administration never really took part in shaping the HK education system. If you think otherwise, can you give examples how HK parents influenced the education system pre- or post- handover?
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-7 20:58
21Ckid 發表於 13-10-7 11:56
I don't think we are talking about parents' preference for the type of schools. I don't know about f ...
I agree with what you said. I just don't agree that HK parents have been key in shaping the education system in HK, or that the local schools are what HK parents today ask for. See the influx of local families in IS in recent years? See the frustration of the local schools from parents in EK? These are signs of discontent from HK parents.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-10-7 21:44
shadeslayer 發表於 13-10-7 20:53
Ask around, how many of you or your local friends had any input to the DSE curriculum? How many of you or your local friends did not agree to removing Chinese History as a compulsory subject....
I was not talking about relatively trivial things like what subjects are or are not compulsory in which curriculum, but an education system built on rote learning and model answer based exams that had been in use in Hongkong for decades if not a century. How did it come about, if not from Chinese Hongkonger's own cultural roots in 科舉 and 八股文.
If you have a theory that Hongkongers never had any influence and this system just happened by chance, or was forced upon Hongkongers by the Brits, then feel free to start a new thread to tell us your theory {:1_1:}
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-10-7 23:00
FattyDaddy 發表於 13-10-7 21:44
Again, we have drifted far enough from the original topic, so I'm going to end with this post.
I wa ...
You are right, we are repeating ourselves.
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