教育王國

標題: gifted child and grade skipping [打印本頁]

作者: eryca 時間: 13-9-18 18:02 標題: gifted child and grade skipping

Does anyone has experience with skipping grade at ESF primary school after your child is tested as gifted child?

This is to ask on behalf of a friend whose child in the process of joining ESF year 1 from another country. Her child is recently tested and found out that he's gifted. They will be moving back to HK and joining ESF primary school's year 1 class toward the end of the year as a transfer student. I thought I could help gather some thoughts and views from some experienced parents of gifted child...
(They didn't know the kid is gifted when they applied to enroll ESF. )

Please if you could share how you did it, how u spoke to the relevant people in the school, would they allow such thing as skipping grade at ESF? If not, are there any special arrange within the classroom or extra classes/ supports given by the school?

Thanks.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-9-18 21:21 標題: 回覆：eryca 的帖子

為何check到是資優就要跳班呢？
孩子屬那類資優？數學、語文、體育、繪畫、社交？
若是插班的回流學生還要適應生活細節和中文問題，不用心急於跳班。完成year one再由學校評估吧。
在ESF的學校有special education need的老師，既照顧補底、也提供拔尖。
另外ESF的primary school行IB課程（PYP), 對資優學生來說已提供了空間讓他們學習farther and deeper.

作者: eryca 時間: 13-9-18 22:05 標題: 回覆：Radiomama 的帖子

Thanks Radiomama for your reply. True there are some adjustments needed in transition. I will let them know the situation/ resources at ESF school and they can also take what you have shared to discuss with the school in much detail later.

作者: joys2334 時間: 13-9-18 23:37

quite a number of gifted kids in ESF. The management won't let you skip grades easily. I have seen ONLY one case in all these years. That kid was born January, so basically there is not much age difference between him/her and the youngest kids of the year.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-9-19 08:21 標題: 回覆：joys2334 的帖子

同意，仔仔學校裏真的有不少資優學生，上任校長認為每位學生都是gifted & unique, 所以不認同走elite class的方向。
個人認為年幼學生不應跳班，打好基礎，更要學習自理和情緒管理。反而高中之後可因應表現和成績向大學拔尖或直升二年級埋手。

作者: GIPW 時間: 13-9-19 09:58

Think it is not good for the kid to know that they are gifted. They will have enoromous pressure both from outside and inside. If you let the kids skipped grade then he himself and also his friends will start to put " unseen " pressure on him.

Having read some article from the parents here or 'grown up' , it seems that the IQ test only for the parents to know how to guide their child in the future. Grading or marks might not necessary be rightly applied onto the gifted children as they might not look upon this so much.

作者: eryca 時間: 13-9-19 12:56 標題: 回覆：gifted child and grade skipping

Thanks everyone for your kind replies.
His mother is worrying about if everything is too "simple" for the kid, he would become bored and disturb the class or cultivate destructive ego/ behavior.

I think some of you have pointed it out clearly that there are other things he needs to learn with kids of his age now, academic is not the whole thing.

作者: GIPW 時間: 13-9-19 15:56

If he is good at Maths, maybe he could join outside course to gain some satisfication. I told him school and home work is for revision and tideness and outside maths is for some advancement and some his own satisfication

作者: girlsmama 時間: 13-9-19 23:51

ESF has its own system in assessing kids for acceleration in terms of grade skipping. They don't simply accept an IQ test result as a reason for acceleration.
There are other form of acceleration like pullout class but this is labour intensive and really depends on the manpower of the school .
Parents can also arrange online gifted course and other local course for the kid if the school is not providing enough for the kid
mildly gifted kids are usually not a problem
Only for those who r highly gifted or above can be a big problem both academically and socially.

In my own opinion, letting the gifted kids know that they r gifted is important.
Then they will understand why they may think or learn differently from the other kids, so that they won't think that they r outcasts.
However, both parents and the gifted kids must understand tat being gifted does not mean that they r more superior or better than other normal kids.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-9-20 08:22 標題: 回覆：girlsmama 的帖子

Well said! Agree

作者: eryca 時間: 13-9-22 23:04 標題: 回覆：girlsmama 的帖子

Thanks girlsmama for that useful insights!

作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-9-24 11:30

My experience may be useful for reference. I have two 'so-called' gifted kids who finished primary school in ESF. My elder daughter did not encounter any problems in primary school. She was not even tested for IQ. She was quite self-disciplined and hard-working. She was not aware of being more clever than others. I gave her many after school activities. When she went to college, she realised she was top student. Because she wanted to be taught by good teachers, she went to boarding school in UK to study.
My younger son was lucky to be tested earlier in young age. He was described as not concentrating and active in class. His performance in primary improved bit by bit every year. He quite enjoyed his primary school life. When he went to college, his academic performance ' jumped' quickly.
In summary, I want to say that gifted kids need suitable environment and time for them to live happily. Do not 'pull' them out of normal life and expect them to 'learn and run' very fast at younger age. My choice is absolutely correct to let my kids to study in ESF primary school.

作者: girlsmama 時間: 13-9-24 18:39

本帖最後由 girlsmama 於 13-9-24 18:39 編輯

回復 Choisumwong 的帖子

You are lucky to have kids who behave well and perform well academically.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-9-24 19:38 標題: 回覆：gifted child and grade skipping

One more point:
Gifted kids are smart in some areas but they are not 'born-to-know-everything'!
Mozart practiced piano everyday even he's a genius!

作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-9-24 19:41

I feel that most parents of gifted kids in Hong Kong are expecting too much from their kids at very early stage. ESF is definitely not demaning and selective. It's primary schools is very suitable for most kids to enjoy and develop. But for secondary schools, gifted and ambitious students are not quite suitable and they are prone to underachievement.

作者: girlsmama 時間: 13-9-24 22:22

回復 Choisumwong 的帖子

So in your opinion, which secondary school is more suitable for gifted kids ？Overseas？

作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-9-25 09:46

It depends on many factors such as area of strength, kids' maturity, parents'education, education system etc. There is no one size fit all case. The better approach will be balanced education at early age and selective and enrichment education at later stage.

作者: 浩霆豬豬 時間: 13-9-25 10:31

心理學家有提意我仔可跳班，不過我話唔想，原因我覺得佢IQ高，但心智行為未成熟，我怕有反效果。

作者: picture 時間: 13-9-25 11:38 標題: 引用：心理學家有提意我仔可跳班，不過我話唔想，

原帖由 浩霆豬豬 於 13-09-25 發表
心理學家有提意我仔可跳班，不過我話唔想，原因我覺得佢IQ高，但心智行為未成熟，我怕有反效果。 ...

I think it is not desirable to.skip grades at early age too. He should make friends and grow up with friends as friendship is very valuable and strong lasting lines usually formed in school.

作者: girlsmama 時間: 13-9-25 13:13

But then on the other hand, gifted kids usually feel more comfortable with elder kids whom they can communicate better. ie similar intellectual level.
If keep them in their grade , they may tend to either tune down their ability and conversation to meet their classmates or become a lone ranger and have difficulties to make friend.
Gifted kids need friends who can communicate with them intellectually as they are mentally more mature but physically and emotionally younger .
After saying this, parents know their kids the best. Or instead talk to kid himself to see if he likes the idea and his opinion. You will be surprised what they have to say.

作者: girlsmama 時間: 13-9-25 13:14

回復浩霆豬豬的帖子

你的小朋友讀幾年班？

作者: 浩霆豬豬 時間: 13-9-25 14:54

Radiomama 發表於 13-9-18 21:21
為何check到是資優就要跳班呢？
孩子屬那類資優？數學、語文、體育、繪畫、社交？
若是插班的回流學生還要 ...

其實我想知邊知佢係哪一方面資優呢？佢個test係：verbal comprehension,perceptual reasoning,working memory,processing speed,只知我仔working memory同processing speed係屬very superior，verbal係superior,perceptual屬high average，咁係屬哪類？thx！

作者: 浩霆豬豬 時間: 13-9-25 15:09

girlsmama 發表於 13-9-25 13:13
But then on the other hand, gifted kids usually feel more comfortable with elder kids whom they can ...

跳級呢個問題我會等佢上中學先考慮，我而家最著緊係佢情緒問題，佢好無安全感，人際關係開始有問題！我好擔心！

作者: 浩霆豬豬 時間: 13-9-25 17:06

girlsmama 發表於 13-9-25 13:14
回復浩霆豬豬的帖子

你的小朋友讀幾年班？

三年級

作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-9-25 17:37

回復浩霆豬豬的帖子

我唔係臨床心理學家答唔到您。

不過working memory係講一個人的記憶力，好似有d人過目不忘咁，而processing ability 是指他工作速度及準確性，即所謂快而準喇。
我個仔是reasoning & processing speed > very superior; verbal & working memory > superior，但iq score只是一個分數，還應觀察日常表現才能配合發展。

綜合來說我仔仔對數學、science、art、engineering、chemistry、游水、球類運動、單車、溜冰、english writing & reading都有濃厚興趣，但唱歌五音不全、彈琴七零八落、演說馬馬虎虎、中文超級無記性，這些都要mami自己觀察再以學校成績互相印證，然後才再考慮重點培訓或自由發展。

當然我絕對認同先攪好情緒和個性，再放眼學術發展。

作者: 浩霆豬豬 時間: 13-9-25 18:08

Radiomama 發表於 13-9-25 17:37
回復浩霆豬豬的帖子

我唔係臨床心理學家答唔到您。

多謝你解答！心理學家有提議我留意阿仔係邊樣專長，就循住個方向發展，咁我留意住佢先！

作者: wantan 時間: 13-9-26 06:58 標題: 回覆：Radiomama 的帖子

見你地講開score,我個仔VCI, VSI 同 PSI 係 very superior, 但WMI 只係 average , 你話佢記性一般，我覺得係選擇性，好似佢兩嵗去旅行住乜野酒店房號，佢今時今日仲記得，所以我同意 score 只係 reference , 做評估時做正佢嘅喜好可能就高分d。

作者: lillymarie 時間: 13-9-26 09:11

WMI working memory 提指短期性的記憶
例如一次過叫小朋友做幾件事，又或者教他全新的知識。WMI高的小朋友，一次就OK。相反就要講多幾次才能記住或明白。有少少像電腦的RAM。

這和長期記憶不同。

作者: wantan 時間: 13-9-26 12:18 標題: 回覆：lillymarie 的帖子

Thanks for you elaboration

歡迎光臨教育王國 (/)