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標題: ESF raises application fee to $2000 [打印本頁]
作者: Mom2One 時間: 13-8-31 01:12 標題: ESF raises application fee to $2000
Just read that ESF has raised its primary application fees from $150 to $2000! Part of it relates to the costs of introducing a new parent interview into the process (which apparently applies to all applicants including ESF teachers' kids and ESF siblings) although some believe it's also to deter parents from applying as a back-up since the previous fee was so low. In any case, that is a pretty serious price hike!
From the ESF website:
"Effective from 1 September 2013, the ESF application fee is HK$2,000. This is a non-refundable, non-transferable administration fee which covers the cost of the system, commissions paid to our ePayment service provider and admissions administration costs. The collection of this fee does not constitute any assurance that a school place will be offered. Method of payment is by credit card through PayDollar, our online payment service provider."
作者: pppwong 時間: 13-8-31 09:08 標題: 引用：Just+read+that+ESF+has+raised+its+primar
原帖由 Mom2One 於 13-08-31 發表
Just read that ESF has raised its primary application fees from $150 to $2000! Part of it relates t ...
作者: CapricornO 時間: 13-8-31 10:30
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作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-8-31 12:17
CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 10:30 
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agree!! they just want to become a normal profitable international school now. ...
ESF was reasonably cheap because they were receiving subvention from the Hongkong government, and when that is removed it is only natural that they do what other international schools do to raise money.
Has ESF ever considered low income people (ex-pats and locals alike)? Sure, they were fighting for the subvention to be sustained. For those people who said nothing or even agreed that the subvention be removed, they have no right to complain about fee hikes now.
作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-8-31 14:39 標題: 回覆：CapricornO 的帖子
Would it be too strong to say these words?
'What a shame' is HK gov't whom has no policy/ view about the expat's education.
作者: sschiu 時間: 13-8-31 14:39 標題: 回覆：CapricornO 的帖子
I don't understand why people think increasing fees means the school wants to earn profits? Do you know how costly it is to run a school? Who pay the teachers' salary, school administration, furniture, equipment, facilities and campus repairs & maintenance? Govt schools and DSS can charge lower fees because they receive subsidies from govt, doesn't mean it is because they are non-profitable. If parents want quality education, they must understand there is a cost.
作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-8-31 14:40 標題: 回覆：sschiu 的帖子
Agree no more!
作者: tay 時間: 13-8-31 21:13
interestingly RC's application fee is only $800, so I am thinking it **could** be a typo with the extra zero at the end by mistake...?
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-31 21:42
CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 10:30
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agree!! they just want to become a normal profitable international school now. ...
作者: alpham0m 時間: 13-8-31 22:04
I would say the shame goes to...The Education Bureau of HKSAR. Period. Full stop.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-31 22:08
alpham0m 發表於 13-8-31 22:04
I would say the shame goes to...The Education Bureau of HKSAR. Period. Full stop.
作者: alpham0m 時間: 13-8-31 22:11
You can interpret that anyway you want. 
作者: CapricornO 時間: 13-8-31 22:18
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-31 22:38
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alpham0m 發表於 13-8-31 22:11
You can interpret that anyway you want.
I have my own opinion. You openly criticized EB but are unwilling to explain? Useful comments. Nice.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-31 22:47
CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 22:23
Actually, ESF education is not famous for "quality".... it 's just becos some children cannot speak ...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-31 23:02
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CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 22:23
Actually, ESF education is not famous for "quality".... it 's just becos some children cannot speak ...
Who are these people and why do the HK government have obligations to serve their education needs? If some of them are HK residents, there are a number of aided schools and DSS who can look after these children. Why does it have to be ESF? If it is not about quality of ESF, there are some IS whose fees are similar to ESF, eg KCIS.
There is nothing wrong with not being able to afford something, right? Not able to afford normal IS, not able to afford DSS, not able to afford a car, not able to afford private medical services, not able to afford a luxurious apartment.
作者: eryca 時間: 13-8-31 23:22 標題: 回覆：CapricornO 的帖子
""Actually, ESF education is not famous for "quality"..""
Are you referring to a specific ESF school or do you mean all ESF schools are "not famous for quality"? Why do you think so? Please share..
作者: sschiu 時間: 13-8-31 23:31
CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 22:23
Actually, ESF education is not famous for "quality".... it 's just becos some children cannot speak ...
What I said about quality education comes with a cost is a general point of view rather than talking about just ESF.
Moreover, I think what you said about parents who are "finding a way-out" DO want quality for their children's education, including those that go to ESF. Correct me if I have the wrong perception...I can't believe any parents who can tolerate dangerous campus, broken classrooms and unprofessional teachers...even if the fees are low...
If there should be cheaper education which is affordable for lower- income expats in order to keep them in HK, my view is that it is the responsibility of the government rather than ESF's. It was the government who gave ESF subsidies from the beginning and now decided to take it away. Perhaps they have got another solution for the expats?
I have watched the Pearl Report! Very insightful!
作者: alpham0m 時間: 13-8-31 23:34
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Okay, okay, if you insist. The shame goes to EB for messing up the local school system and taking the subvention away from ESF so it is no longer an affordable option for many parents who cannot afford expensive international school.
I am not into debate, so this is it. I just want to chill out in the weekend. Chill, mate.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-9-1 01:43
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CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 22:18
my opinion is subvention being taken away has nothing to do with their admission requirement ...
Sorry to say, you're wrong on this, the removal of the subvention has brought about 3 radical changes in ESF's Primary and Secondary school admission policy this year:-
(1) The Cat 1 / 2 prioritization is abolished.
(2) At least 70% of their student population must possess foreign citizenship, and they now verify passports.
(3) They now interview both parents to assess the suitability of the family as a whole, previously they only interviewed the child.
When ESF was receiving subvention from the Hongkong government, they had a real or at least a moral obligation to serve Hongkong's general public, regardless of nationality, and they largely fulfilled that by being low cost and non-selective, and indeed, the bulk of their students were HK permanent residents from middle income families.
Yes, there was this Cat 1 / 2 prioritization which favoured children who don't speak Cantonese, causing many Hongkongers to feel excluded, but now I suspect this prioritization was not ESF's own desire but put there by the Hongkong government, so as to minimize the number of Cantonese speaking local children escaping from local education.
Now that the subvention is ceased, ESF no longer needs to do the government's bidding, and surprise surprise, they dropped the Cat 1 / 2 prioritization. They have also said goodbye to their non-selective days and now operate just like any private international school with full control of their admission policies.
作者: CapricornO 時間: 13-9-1 08:29
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作者: Mom2One 時間: 13-9-1 08:56
本帖最後由 Mom2One 於 13-9-1 09:01 編輯
Agree with Fattydaddy on his points 1 and 3. I also feel that the cat 1/2 priorities were likely a govt stipulation rather than ESF preference and that the current system of whole family assessment (ie. student and parent interview) better serves its need to determine suitability of the family to ESF schooling.
Regarding point 2 about the 70% foreign passport holder requirement, I believe that is an Education Bureau requirement (as stated on ESF website) and was in place prior to the removal of the subsidy.
Personally I don't necessarily think its a bad thing to raise the application fee if this will serve to reduce the number of applicants by sifting out those for whom ESF is not a serious choice or who do not really have a chance. Nowadays the "herd mentality" of applying to all schools everywhere is really putting a huge strain on everyone, not just the schools but also the applicants.
作者: CapricornO 時間: 13-9-1 09:27
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-1 09:52
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-9-1 09:52 編輯
CapricornO 發表於 13-9-1 09:27
Not totally true. I have a friend whose daughter only speaks english. She couldn't get into a loc ...
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本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-8-31 23:23 編輯 \Quote:CapricornO 發表於 13-8-31 22:23
Actually, ESF education is not famous for "quality".... it 's just becos some children cannot speak ...
Who are these people and why do the HK government have obligations to serve their education needs? If some of them are HK residents, there are a number of aided schools and DSS who can look after these children, eg TSL, 李. Why does it have to be ESF? If it is not about quality of ESF, there are some IS whose fees are similar to ESF, eg KCIS.
There is nothing wrong with not being able to afford something, right? Not able to afford normal IS, not able to afford DSS, not able to afford a car, not able to afford private medical services, not able to afford a luxurious apartment.
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There are 70 government and aided schools in HK which are registered in EB they are able to support non Chinese speaking children. And there are a number of DSS and private schools who can do that.
No choice? It is an exaggeration.
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-9-1 10:43
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Del.
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-9-1 10:46
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Del.
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-9-1 11:05
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Del.
作者: sschiu 時間: 13-9-1 11:39 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+shadeslayer+於+13-9-1+09:52+
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Please refer to what u said earlier.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-1 12:44 標題: 引用：97年回歸前無人會覺得ESF+係無價值，97後，
原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-09-01 發表
97年回歸前無人會覺得ESF 係無價值，97後，中國藉官員當家作主，就覺得ESF 係多餘。不要忘記，香港法定語文 ...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-1 12:45 標題: 引用：而且，本地學校跟本提供唔到足夠的除中文外
原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-09-01 發表
而且，本地學校跟本提供唔到足夠的除中文外的第二語言，好似法文，西班牙文咁，是不是因為中國藉香港人佔香 ...
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-9-1 13:28 標題: 引用：回復+pppwong+的帖子
agree!!+they+just+w
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agree!! they just want to become a normal profitable international school now. ...
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-9-1 14:13
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Del.
作者: nintendo 時間: 13-9-1 14:46
samsam123321 發表於 13-9-1 14:13
有得讀外文，唔代表能有足夠的學位吸納晒所有esf 學生。這同文革破四舊立四新又有咩分別？將舊有行之有效的 ...
esf 幾時有破舊立新？現在的 so called 改變，就要問問班非 esf 家長先喇
esf 由 97 後一路都係咁 run，係出面非 esf 家長話 esf 唔應該有資助，先傾下傾下變到今日的局面
講真，我覺得 esf 呢壇野，d 官唔係個個想搞，因為點搞都會比人鬧
本來好地地，係 d 非 esf 家長塘邊鶴嘈嘈閉
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-1 15:08 標題: 引用：有得讀外文，唔代表能有足夠的學位吸納晒所
原帖由 samsam123321 於 13-09-01 發表
有得讀外文，唔代表能有足夠的學位吸納晒所有esf 學生。這同文革破四舊立四新又有咩分別？將舊有行之有效的 ...
取消資助，人均約缺少了二千多元一個月。萬多英基家庭全部家庭收入拉拉緊？現今香港，如果學費由七千加到九千幾，家庭就頂唔順，咁我只可以說這些家庭計得太盡了。何況，真正邊緣的家庭，我懷疑不是很多。何況有一些平價，收生不是太好的 IS 可選，例如 KCIS, KIS, DELIA。更有官津DSS 可給邊緣家庭選。咁都唔夠？
同文革比，有無咁上綱上線呀。
DSE 是課程改革。課程改革是必須的。舊的 HKCEE and A level 專門填鴨有餘，語文通識不足。改革是要的，只是執行力的問題。
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-9-1 15:09
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作者: nintendo 時間: 13-9-1 15:33
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samsam123321 發表於 13-9-1 15:09
不是，我想指出ESF 有存在價值，其它學校暫時都無能力取替。硬要取替，就只係破壞但無建設。 ...
唔知你想講乜
人多位少，就當然會有人失望
唔通我入唔到男拔女拔又嘈，話村口間學校唔可以取待男女拔？
我係唔係又可以鬧鬧鬧？
你有冇更好的改革建議？還是應該本來唔應該改 ( 不應取消資助 ) ？
其實 esf 家長，或其他國際學校家長一般都冇乜意見，因為大家可以話係 "上了岸"
只係一直都係出面有 d 人嘈
佢地好多係未有 esf 學位，其他國際學校 (就算平過 esf ) 亦未必收
結果就拿 esf 為目標鬧
而家連資助都冇埋，但對未入到 esf 的就可以會更失望
不過當日唔知係邊個嘈，搞到咁？
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-1 17:49 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+samsam123321+於+13-9-1+15:10
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不是，我想指出ESF 有存在價值，其它學校暫時都無能力取 ...
作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-9-1 21:52
My personal view is that all IS (I know) is overpriced but no choice - 願者上釣. Or the EBD is so crap that we simply have no choice
作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-9-1 22:12 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子
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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-2 01:11
ckwliu 發表於 13-9-1 22:12
教學理念、胸襟、包容都係Dss冇法做到！
作者: alpham0m 時間: 13-9-2 14:02
shadeslayer 發表於 13-9-2 01:11
There are new DSS which follow new philosophies. If you don't like DSS, there are other IS who char ...
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-2 18:58 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-9-2+01:11+Th
原帖由 alpham0m 於 13-09-02 發表
請問這類新的DSS有沒有測驗及默書？
作者: newdaddy 時間: 13-9-3 10:23 標題: 回覆：ESF raises application fee to $2000
Everthing is interconnected. If ESF charges higher, there may be many foreigners who cannot afford the school fees. Then we will face a shortage of native speakers and teachers and people who see things from a global perspective.
Furthermore there are not many choices for English speaking kid who has autism or behavioual problems and yet needs IS schooling.
作者: Mighty 時間: 13-9-4 11:34
我覚得２０００＄報一間小学一D都５過分、有心讀、就願意比、亦予知不会退的、以前収２００大元、収得少、無人笑、只覚得理所当然、EE＋只係収番市場価格。 ESF老師的INCOME是５差的、一切同市場看斉、無MAAK５妥。
作者: himching 時間: 13-9-4 11:54
以前150元好似好平, 但其實如果唔係cat 1, 兼好彩先有得in, 150元申請費跟本係捐款. 依家2000元好似係一定有得In, 有得In就有希望入, 另外, 提高2000元起碼可以趕絕一些係又報, 唔係又報嘅申請, 個人覺得合理.
作者: himching 時間: 13-9-4 11:59
睇今日報紙, 有申請家長批評, 申請費咁貴, 又唔係一定有得入. 嘩, 依啲老逢又要平又要正嘅家長應該唔少, 所以2000元幾合理.
作者: himching 時間: 13-9-4 12:01
但有啲家長都合理, 只要有得in, 都有50:50機會, 合理呀. 哪依啲家長祝佢仔女成功.
作者: himching 時間: 13-9-4 12:55
有啲家長(包括我自己經驗)真係唔知自己仔女係唔係適合讀IS, 就算適合都唔知適合邊間IS, 曾經俾過3千幾報名in某間IS, 結果in完之後失敗, 先重新睇下自己仔女係唔係適合讀依間IS.
作者: joycheung801 時間: 13-9-5 01:58 標題: 回覆：ESF raises application fee to $2000
邊個話$2000就一定有得in？冇sibling都未必有得in，一樣當捐款
作者: sweetheartb 時間: 13-9-5 08:39 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+FattyDaddy+於+13-9-1+02:04+
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作者: ckwliu 時間: 13-9-6 16:16
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作者: sschiu 時間: 13-9-6 19:34
ckwliu 發表於 13-9-6 16:16
回復 shadeslayer 的帖子
For people who have never suffer in the HK system it's very easy to disrega ...
作者: pppwong 時間: 13-9-6 19:41 標題: 引用：我覚得２０００＄報一間小学一D都５過分、
原帖由 Mighty 於 13-09-04 發表
我覚得２０００＄報一間小学一D都５過分、有心讀、就願意比、亦予知不会退的、以前収２００大元、収得少、 ...
作者: thomastaxi 時間: 13-9-6 19:43 標題: 回覆：ckwliu 的帖子
Agree
But the chance of getting in is slim
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-6 20:14
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-9-6 20:20 編輯
ESF has been serving Hong Kong for many years and I have nothing against them. But to say no other IS or new DSS can provide comparable education is a bold claim.
Also, the subvention per head is two thousand something if the increase in fees is similar, and the family is thrown into chaos by this level of increase, then my opinion is that the family is running too tight a ship with the existing fees already. Simple things a family can do is cut back on ECA spend and or holiday spend. Again if the family is already not spending any money on ECA or never goes to holiday because of the existing fee, then the ship is already too tight to begin with. What if salary increase is freezed for 3 years and the school keep increasing its fees, you run into the same financial turmoil, right? if this is the case, ESF is out of the family's financial means before the increase.
I am not saying this applies to you as a family because I know nothing about your family's finance. I am saying this in general.
作者: CapricornO 時間: 13-9-7 14:18
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作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-9-11 22:43 標題: 回覆：CapricornO 的帖子
Demand and supply. Though many people think education is not trading we choose school based on the reputation, U placement, and brand names. What's wrong if the registration fee is $20,000? Or explicitly several hundred thousands for debenture or NR. It is not fair but it is the reality.
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