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標題: 報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血 [打印本頁]
作者: elbar 時間: 13-8-19 15:18 標題: 報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血
http://paper.wenweipo.com/2013/08/19/YO1308190014.htm
——入學費達2萬不設退還 教界籲增財政透明度
部分香港家長對國際學校趨之若鶩，這類學校除競爭激烈、學費較貴外，其報名及相關的「入場」費用門檻之高亦受到關注。本報翻查約20所國際校資料顯示，報名費用已達500元至3,000元不等，又同時增設「評估費」、「入學費」等，部分甚至高達1萬至2萬元，而且幾乎全部不設退還。換言之，若學生未獲錄取，絕大部分學校會將費用「袋袋平安」。有教育界人士直言，國際校學額向來「求過於供」，質疑學校收取高昂報名及留位費的合理性和必要性，並呼籲校方加強財政透明度；家長代表則期望政府加強監管學校收費情況。
報名評估入學費 名目繁多
按多所國際校網頁顯示，學生如有意報名入讀，須先繳交一大筆費用。其中以加拿大國際學校收費名目最為繁多，除要繳交2,350元報名費，也因為要接受校方提供的能力評估測試，再交1,650元「評估費」；如學生被錄取，也需要支付1.25萬元「入學費」，意味仍未真正接受該校的教育，家長已要預先付出1.65萬元。該校網上通告更列明，所有款項將不獲退回或轉移為學費的一部分，而有關費用均待教育局批准。
另香港學堂國際學校學生入學前需繳交2,800元報名費和高達2萬元的入學費，合共2.28萬元；哈羅香港國際學校亦要求新生繳交1,500元報名費及1.2萬元入學費，共1.35萬元；啟歷學校亦要求新生預先繳交2,500元報名費及1.5萬元入學費。上述學校所收取的費用，一律不獲退還，而除啟歷學校的1.5萬元入學費會在第一個學期的學費中抵銷外，其餘學校均無表明所收費用會否用作抵銷學費。
漢基報名費倍增至2,000元
另部分國際學校報名費價格也有上調，增幅最多達100%，且同樣不設退還。如美國國際學校報名費增至今年1,500元，升幅50%；而漢基國際學校報名費更大幅上調1倍至今年2,000元，本報曾就此致電該校查詢，但校方未有回應。
學額「求過於供」 收費非必要
香港教育政策關注社主席張民炳認為，國際校在學費外以面試和筆試等名目收取高昂報名及入學費用，做法值得商榷。他表示，部分學校相關收費與「留位費」作用近似，但象徵意義大於實際需要，欠缺必要性，特別是本港國際學校學額向來「求過於供」，家長較少隨意放棄學位。他又指，即使是自資專上院校，收費情況都要按程序公開，並向公眾交代，故期望國際學校亦能加強財政透明度。
國際校屬私營 政府難監督
灣仔區家教會聯會主席顧羅素君表示，國際校屬私立經營，政府難全面監督，而該類學校質素及師資等都具「品牌效應」，收取高昂費用亦無可厚非，「這也符合自由市場的運作，因為報讀國際校的學生都來自有錢家庭，不介意繳交相對高昂的學費；但在於家長立場，當然不樂見這情況發生」。而就部分國際校有濫收入學費之嫌，她期望政府透過「抽樣調查」等方式加強監管。
國際校收費情況（部分）
學校 收費類型 金額(元)
香港學堂國際學校 報名費 2,800*
入學費 20,000*
加拿大國際學校 報名費 2,350*
評估費 1,650*
入學費 12,500
香港澳洲國際學校 報名費 1,500*
留位費 15,000
哈羅香港國際學校 報名費 1,500*
入學費 12,000*
香港國際學校 報名費 2,000
入學費 15,000
啟歷學校 報名及評估費 2,500*
留位費 15,000(可用作抵銷首學期學費)
新加坡國際學校 報名費 3,000*
入學費 13,000
德瑞國際學校 登記費 2,800*
評估費 3,200*
漢基國際學校 報名費 2,000*
美國國際學校 報名費 1,500*
*列明不設退還
資料來源：各學校網頁
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-8-19 15:55
本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 14-3-20 20:07 編輯
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作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-19 16:15
報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血
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边位写手甘肤浅, 作得出如此title!
人家要吃五十万一餐饭是人家的事, 没打算吃, 又或很想吃却没钱吃的人, 不要在人家门前, 哗! 哗! 哗!, 分析人家的餐单, 分析营养, 指指点点, 打莸别人的雅兴!!!!!
作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-8-19 16:30
This is an article on SCMP C1 today complaining the recent transport arrangement of HKIS. Students are not allowed to be lifted by private car, only school bus or on walking
作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-19 16:52
Not worth the paper this is printed on ...
作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-19 17:08
The heavy traffic has been serious within some International schools neighborhood for years, such as Red Hill, 宝马山, 桥福道, Borret Road, 南朗山 during early morning and afternoon, and therefore those intl schools would highly recommend students taking school bus instead.. It is a reasonable arrangement in case you don't want taking over an hour to drive up to 宝马山.
Meanwhile, there's unofficial parking lot for drivers to stay at the school in CIS and I assume HKIS would have similar arrangement. Once you're so rich to have a driver who can afford to standby at school, all transportation arrangement is not an issue then.
作者: corgihk 時間: 13-8-19 17:09
文匯報.......hahaha
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-19 19:06 標題: 回覆：報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血
唔 Update，GSIS 今年報名費加考試費八千大元。
作者: 小之爸 時間: 13-8-19 21:47
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作者: cocokan2004 時間: 13-8-20 04:02
本帖最後由 cocokan2004 於 13-8-20 04:03 編輯
香港學堂國際學校 scholarship fee 2,800* (anually pay)
Admission fee 20,000*
Levy Captial 18,000 (anually pay)
另外學費每年14-17萬.
if u join from kindgerten and finish grade 12, u need to pay 2.5million in total... so expensive!!
作者: 小之爸 時間: 13-8-20 10:42
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作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-8-20 11:09 標題: 回覆：cocokan2004 的帖子
好的教育是無價，一個願打，一個願捱。
作者: Ononma 時間: 13-8-20 12:40
// 如果用250萬,可買15年優質教育。子女唔需要受各式各樣嘅教育改革干擾,並說得一口流利外語到海外升學。每月多付$15,000家庭開支,對唔少中產家庭嚟講絕對值得。//
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小之爸，你講曬我嘅心聲啦！
作者: 小之爸 時間: 13-8-20 15:00
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作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-8-20 15:33
本帖最後由 samsam123321 於 14-4-4 12:30 編輯
Del.
作者: himching 時間: 13-8-20 18:40
仔女無價寶, 佢地讀得好而父母又俾得到, 就唔覺一頸血啦.
作者: himching 時間: 13-8-20 18:46
小女都俾過評估費, 佢地收得高都唔會hea住做, 聽過有兩兄弟同時apply一間IS, 結果一個收, 一個唔收, 父母條氣唔順(我估的), 問點解唔收其中一位, 佢地可以講得出評估時, 邊到邊到白紙黑紙唔達標. 所以唔收佢. 父母當然被秒殺.
作者: himching 時間: 13-8-20 18:52
有啲local D乜D物嘅名校, 報名費幾廿蚊, 下午茶價錢, 又如何, 等就等半日,interview 5 分鐘都唔使, 目測幾秒就知你仔女龍定虫,鳳定係鸡, 真係睇相都冇咁快, 高人也! 你話平定貴?
作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-8-20 19:50
如果讀國際學校對家庭構成很大財政壓力, 便不應該送子女去國際學校
作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-8-20 19:55
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去殖民地化，事在必行！
作者: 小之爸 時間: 13-8-20 20:43
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作者: 金瑪姬 時間: 13-8-22 10:02 標題: 回覆：報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血
當年弘立報名費一千，而家五千，講真，五千我5捨得！
作者: cecilau 時間: 13-8-22 10:08
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唔係呀, 學校WEBSITE 都係1千蚊報名費呀.
http://www.isf.edu.hk/en/admissions/admissions-procedure/
作者: ngwy 時間: 13-8-22 14:44 標題: 回覆：報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血
仔女是父母的無價寶，負擔得起自然要確保他們受到良好敎育，我們一群願意付出的家長，不需要別人助我們發言和影響社會和諧。
作者: Jane1983 時間: 13-8-22 16:24
吾關IS定LS事，系家長希望在能力範圍内比最好的教育小朋友。如果男女拔話捐300萬包入，一樣吾少家長願意比。
作者: 金瑪姬 時間: 13-8-22 16:38 標題: 引用：回復+金瑪姬+的帖子
唔係呀,+學校WEBSITE+
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唔係呀, 學校WEBSITE 都係1千蚊報名費呀.
作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-22 16:53
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看新闻的当年今日, 昨日镜头下的普通市民的形神语态, 充满包容和谅解, 温和说理, 相对上今天读书人多了, 自由度更大, 却总是凶巴巴的. 抚今追昔, 究竟我们的香港是在进步, 或是倒退?
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-22 19:21 標題: 引用：吾關IS定LS事，系家長希望在能力範圍内比最
原帖由 Jane1983 於 13-08-22 發表
吾關IS定LS事，系家長希望在能力範圍内比最好的教育小朋友。如果男女拔話捐300萬包入，一樣吾少家長願意比 ...
作者: Jane1983 時間: 13-8-22 20:24
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打個比喻而已，無謂話國際學校劏人，根本再貴都係求過於供。
作者: eryca 時間: 13-8-23 08:58 標題: 引用：仔女是父母的無價寶，負擔得起自然要確保他
原帖由 ngwy 於 13-08-22 發表
仔女是父母的無價寶，負擔得起自然要確保他們受到良好敎育，我們一群願意付出的家長，不需要別人助我們發言 ...
Now a day many people just 唯恐天下不亂.
作者: smallfoothk 時間: 13-8-23 18:02
都係果句：願者上釣。
最緊要學校有教學質素,好看學生求學態度，全港免費傳统學校學費比國際,約是o:250萬,如果免費傳统肯收生250,給佢地先,因佢地師兄師姐在商政己一定成就,俗語講出外靠朋友
作者: 小之爸 時間: 13-8-23 20:39
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作者: ngwy 時間: 13-8-23 21:14 標題: 回覆：報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血
小之爸認同你的見解，講出了中產父母的心聲😊
作者: smallfoothk 時間: 13-8-23 21:32
本帖最後由 smallfoothk 於 13-8-23 22:36 編輯
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講得好,但大家經過大風浪的人,地球末日倒數,97回歸,金融風暴,又豈可怕強國來臨,俗語說有危又有機,香港雖然冇之前一枝獨秀地位,雖然身處彈丸之地,外國公司想香港是一個好發展中心,另到處楊梅一樣花,外國掃地都是大學生,很難找工作....講多少少,香港的大學在世界排名很高,很多大國國民來香港讀大學的.傳統名校的優勢只在香港這個市場....太狹窄了???剛剛相反...是優勢,就取數學一談,math公開賽,香港學生是大豐收,少數能直入著名國際大學,英文程度都不弱,因香港傳統名校教學方法比外國好好多.是時候居安思危,用250在國際學校/出國/投資好,因很多朋友孩子讀完書,找不到工作,多年閒在家中,如用在投資如買2手摟,250可達,真要好好考慮考慮方向?????
作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-8-23 22:29
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今時今日, 為人父母, 真不容易. Demand and Supply, 大部分IS都over price, 信唔過local system, 貴都要讀
作者: Ononma 時間: 13-8-23 22:42
其實香港之前嘅 local system 吾錯，問題只是信吾過今時今日班朝令夕改嘅官員。
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-23 22:49 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+smallfoothk+於+13-8-23+22:12
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我對這結論有保留。我認為兩種制度訓練出兩種不同的人，難言「好」。其實何謂「好」？只看成績？香港學生成績好是正確，但一般人的創意思維呢？多角度思考呢？如果中小學成績好等如事業好，做人成功，香港人會多拿諾貝矣獎，發明 Facebook, iPhone 都應該有我地份。為何我唔覺得香港學生大學畢業後比外國大學生競爭力強？看誇國企業，尤其投資銀行，在香港請的分析員，大部份是非本地大學畢業的。
作者: 菠蘿媽媽 時間: 13-8-23 22:53 標題: 回覆：報讀國際學校 先劏一頸血
傳統名校谷出好國際性嘅好成績唔係奇事，但我個人認為有國際視野&懂得予人溝通更緊要。
讀書叻唔代表工作叻，好多讀書叻嘅，唔識同人溝通，interview自以為是，往往因為咁見唔成工，真係大有人在！
而學費方便，睇自己能力吧！
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作者: luingan 時間: 13-8-24 00:36 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子
你幾耐無係ibank做，入去望下咩人最多先講啦
香港唔係無創意，年青人afford唔起唔打工去take risk啫
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-24 07:46 標題: 引用：你幾耐無係ibank做，入去望下咩人最多先講
原帖由 luingan 於 13-08-24 發表
你幾耐無係ibank做，入去望下咩人最多先講啦
香港唔係無創意，年青人afford唔起唔打工去take risk啫
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作者: NKpa 時間: 13-8-24 08:49
本帖最後由 NKpa 於 20-9-30 15:04 編輯
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作者: NKpa 時間: 13-8-24 09:15
追求國際學校的目的不是為了流利英文、海外留學，因為有錢誰都可以留學，海外生活幾年有心的一定英語流利，至少是有口音地流利。
入國際學校主要是避開主流教育制度，即使因此犧牲了中文水平、傳統文化。當然，傳統文化不是統統都優越，中文不是處處都需要高水平，但錯失了就是錯失了。
主流教育有甚麼弊病非出走不可？有如此重病豈非禍害香港下一代？
作者: lui 時間: 13-8-24 11:19 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+smallfoothk+於+13-08-23+發
原帖由 shadeslayer 於 13-08-23 發表
因香港傳統名校教學方法比外國好好多.
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作者: caa 時間: 13-8-24 12:58
lui 發表於 13-8-24 11:19 
基本上不會請本地畢業的做分析員，雖然現在轉為請國內人，也不會請香港畢業生
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作者: lui 時間: 13-8-24 16:01 標題: 引用：Quote:lui+發表於+13-8-24+11:19+基本上不
原帖由 caa 於 13-08-24 發表
請國內人也是留學海外那些吧?
作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-8-24 16:25
shadeslayer 發表於 13-8-23 22:49
因香港傳統名校教學方法比外國好好多.
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作者: luingan 時間: 13-8-24 16:44 標題: 回覆：lui 的帖子
都有請本地畢業國內生，都是國內生多不論海歸、或來自國內或本地大學
作者: luingan 時間: 13-8-24 16:47 標題: 回覆：fanfanbb 的帖子
因人而異啦，精神緊張就一定架啦
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 13-8-24 17:39
I will again try to clarify a few facts.
HK locals are almost "extinct" now in ibank (in particular in banking side), though a tiny fraction strive to survive in the analysts/ fund manager route. It all goes to "genuine" gwei or mainlanders as connection and cultural proximity rules everything. It has nothing to do with english. Also, among mainlanders, 海龜 are being less popular (esp US returnees!! as they talk more than they do), and HK tertiary educated mainlanders are having upper hands.
If you are planning your kids' future, forget about ibank, and by the same logic, forget about corporate law.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-24 18:19
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-8-24 18:23 編輯
HK locals graduating from HK universities have never been a favourite in ibanks (at least from the few banks I know better) as analysts since I came into contact with this industry many years back. They hire graduates from US, UK, Australia, Mainland, Korea, Japan, Philippines, but very few HK locals from a HK University. I don't think it is English as there are bound to be near native HK kids from famous local secondary schools like DXS, La Salle, etc. I never understood why this is the case.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-24 20:04 標題: 引用：追求國際學校的目的不是為了流利英文、海外
原帖由 NKpa 於 13-08-24 發表
追求國際學校的目的不是為了流利英文、海外留學，因為有錢誰都可以留學，海外生活幾年有心的一定英語流利， ...
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都不一定「避開」。當有更好，更適合的學校，就轉。
作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-8-24 22:11
Anyway, working in Ibank is not a big deal now, my hubby left few years ago. We can't use ibank as a benchmark, esp banking is on a downward trend recent years.
作者: 21Ckid 時間: 13-8-24 23:39
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From what you write, i am pretty sure you know very little about the industry now, or 10 year or 20 years back. You better do some homework before claiming you know.
Back many years ago, they never hire undergraduates. Nonetheless, there are quite a group of HK degree holders who then do post graduate (most in US, but some in HK - especially for the research side where entrance is less selective than the corp fin side), then become trainees (some firstly in London or US then posted to HK later). But then, in the past 10 years, things changed a bit, the ibanks (even the first tier except GS) start recruiting a large bunch of Hk locals, not directly after graduation, but a few years later from accounting firms, consulting firms or 2nd tier Ibanks (those names you sometimes see with 财经演员). They start as analysts (the name of the post, not the research analysts) or associates. This is the heyday of HK locals. English is irrelevant. They need hands, the good executors.
But these days are gone (after 2007). Today, HK locals in ibanks, especially in corp fin, are, as i joke to them dying.....
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-25 00:10
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-8-25 00:15 編輯
I just told what I saw, I am not claiming this or that. The majority of people on the trading floors are not HK locals (who attended HK Unis) 10 years back and that has not changed today, for the banks that I have seen personally.
Regardless of the change in percentage of HK locals in ibank, the point I was making was that for some reasons, ibanks like to hire a large number of non local graduates. Do you by any chance know why?
作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-8-25 10:55
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NKpa 發表於 13-8-24 09:15
追求國際學校的目的不是為了流利英文、海外留學，因為有錢誰都可以留學，海外生活幾年有心的一定英語流利， ...
Del.
作者: Mrslot 時間: 13-8-25 12:27
samsam123321 發表於 13-8-25 10:55
主流教育的問題係，我地成日強調兩文三語，但偏偏我地的主流教育的畢業生，兩文兩語就成日被人批評弱雞。 ...
讀is或去外國讀書，就算唔係都盡量比讀直資因學校有較多教學上同運作上既自由。我以前都係教育
界（係大學教），好多年前亦有代課教過中小學，有好多教育界既朋友，bb未出世已決定比佢讀is，
英文好唔係重點，讀local名校英文都可以好好，而係太清楚local school既問題，exam oriented，
限制左小朋友既天賦潛能發展，無左自發性，無創造力，只為考試而讀書（簡直唔可以稱為學習），
得到既知識未必識運用，童年已活在壓力中。我認為幼童只應eat,sleep,play,shit，而唔係幾個月已經
買咩oxford path disney world english去學習，好多人都覺得我好奇怪
作者: 小之爸 時間: 13-8-25 12:32
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作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-8-25 13:28
21Ckid 發表於 13-8-24 17:39
HK locals are almost "extinct" now in ibank (in particulaar in banking side), though a tiny fraction strive to survive in the analysts/ fund manager route. It all goes to "genuine" gwei or mainlanders as connection and cultural proximity rules everything. It has nothing to do with english. Also, among mainlanders, 海龜 are being less popular ...
Emigrate to US/Europe? But that is no use because that won't make anyone a "genuine" gwei, and English skill is irrelevant.
Emigrate to China? Well, it is possible to then pass off as a mainland Chinese culturally but that is not much use either, because the mainland Chinese who are in the field are there not so much because of their skills but because of their connections, or to put it bluntly because their 爸 is 李剛, and no Hongkonger is going to build up that kind of connections.
Hence, are you saying Hongkongers should simply forget a career in investment banking?
作者: Mrslot 時間: 13-8-25 13:34 標題: 引用：Quote:21Ckid+發表於+13-8-24+17:39+HK+loc
原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-08-25 發表
So, assuming investment banking is a desirable career, what could a Hongkonger do to get into this f ...
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-8-25 13:40
Mrslot 發表於 13-8-25 13:34
Actually I know some hong kongers who are ibankers, some graduated from most famous foreign universi ...
作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-25 21:31
本帖最後由 HKTHK 於 13-8-25 21:33 編輯
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At US bulge bracket firms, US returnees are always preferred over local U grads. In the old days, local U grads are hired as research assistants and not into the proper analyst programs. Only real way for local U grads to enter ibank frontline is to go to a brand name MBA program first.
Agree with your conclusion that it will be very difficult for HKers to enter banking today. But HKers are not extinct. Still know plenty of people on the corp fin and sales/trading side though most are MDs already.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-25 21:38
本帖最後由 HKTHK 於 13-8-25 21:38 編輯
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I would agree that HKers should forget about the corp fin side. If you really want to get in on your own merit (as in not rely on a billionaire father), a good resume from an Ivy League may still have a small chance.
作者: Fish777 時間: 13-8-25 22:22
21Ckid 發表於 13-8-24 17:39
I will again try to clarify a few facts.
HK locals are almost "extinct" now in ibank (in particula ...
作者: clifflam 時間: 13-8-25 23:09
shadeslayer 發表於 13-8-22 19:21
如果 300萬包入，我反而有錢都唔想入。
Me Too!!!
作者: honeybunny7 時間: 13-8-26 11:01
本帖最後由 honeybunny7 於 13-8-26 11:04 編輯
It is interesting that from the subject of this thread, we've eventually diverged into the topic of "how do iBanks pick new hires?"
My hubby and I have been involved with hiring analysts / associates within the past 3 years at the top US ibank and the top European ibank, and here's what we've seen:
Top European iBank case:
- MBAs not much priority (in final decision and salary, and usually during 1st round MBAs and other master/PhD-degree holders are grouped together in handling so that means they compete with each others instead of compete with the undergrads) - Top US schools preferred, top EU schools also acceptable but probably hired through local branch instead of directly by the HK branch
- Yes to local HKers from HKUST
- Haven't seen mainlanders from local HK schools, but yes to mainlanders from top US firms
Top US iBank case:
- MBA preferred
- Top US schools preferred, heavy on-campus recruitment push
- Yes to local HKers from HKUST
*Note that the above is not meant to be comprehensive and is not an attempt in drawing any conclusion. Please feel free to add your own observation as well.
作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-26 11:21 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+honeybunny7+於+13-8-26+11:04
原帖由 honeybunny7 於 13-08-26 發表
本帖最後由 honeybunny7 於 13-8-26 11:04 編輯
It is interesting that from the subject of this thre ...
作者: honeybunny7 時間: 13-8-26 11:34
本帖最後由 honeybunny7 於 13-8-26 11:36 編輯
In my experience, hiring at iBanks and consulting look for independence and critical thinking, which HK traditional school training doesn't provide. But HK students possess drive, strong financial understanding and interest, and the ability to handle both the Eastern and the Western at ease, and that's a selling point to banks and consulting practice in HK.
Mainlanders returning with a degree from top US schools are fluent in Mandarin, and somewhat okay in English, and they understand the local Chinese culture, making them perfect for conducting businesses in the fields of iBank-Corp Fin, Consulting (particularly the SOE teams), and Private Equity for example. iBank-Research also requires super strong Mandarin fluency so Mainlanders would have edge, but there are some local HK grads with that level also. But in my observation, the mainlanders can sometimes appear to be so ignorant and arrogant and naive that they get dinged after the first round. Being self-centered and non-team-player is their biggest enemy if they want to work for somebody, but HK students also suffer the same shortcoming albeit in lesser degree.
iBank-sales & trading requires more technical
skills (quantitative in trading / quants, soft quantitative but strong sales ability in sales) and English-speaking, so you can go without any ability to speak in Mandarin in some cases. From this point, strong HK students can get in, though banks often look for top overseas grads. Particularly in sales jobs such as deriv sales, young, smart, good-looking girls get the job done.
With all that said, I'd not want my kids to be in banking, and many of my banking friends would concur... so why bother?
作者: honeybunny7 時間: 13-8-26 11:58
本帖最後由 honeybunny7 於 13-8-26 14:52 編輯
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Well, i wouldn't say that's a resounding Yes. I just wanted to confirm that we did hire from HKUST undergrad. I'm not sure if we hire from HKU and CU, but I did interview a handful from HKU though they were not impressive. HKUST has programs that feed well into some sections in banks so the cream of their crops do get selected. It also seems that HKUST in general expose students to more project-based learning.
But, you have to know, the hiring in these past few years have been scarce when compared to the heydays of banking, so the sample size I'm referring to is really small.
In terms of why not or few from HK schools, here are some observations:
- During college years, my friends from HKU and Imperial College used to talk about how hard they must study the past papers of each professor and memorize the answers, because the professors often recycle exam questions. I laughed at such laziness of the professors. At Penn that never happened, learning is through weekly projects, and there's nothing to memorize, as we are all allowed to create our own cheat sheets. US schools want students to learn to apply and manipulate knowledge, not just to memorize them.
- At a top global consulting firm, US-based, undergrads at top US schools are recruited as analysts, but only master degree or PhD degree holders from top EU schools (Cambridge, Oxford, etc.) are considered for analyst posts, with the same pay. Why doesn't the firm hire undergrads from top EU schools? Because students from these schools are considered as lacking the ability to solve problems independently and work in teams. This is probably true to some HK uni.
- Under the HK school systems, which focus so much on marks instead of actual learning, everyone wants to take short-cuts. Relatives working as professors / researchers at HKU / CU / PolyU told me stories how their labs' people would cite each others' papers for NO good reasons just to pump up the "overall citing counts". That's such a shame! During my undergrad years I worked for researchers whose ground-breaking research get cited across the globe, so a small potato like myself could get my name on published papers via hard work. Cutting corners like that is like cheating, to me.
Note that my observations above may be limited, so if you have other ideas please do share.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-26 12:05
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Almost everyone I knew who worked at ibanks before would agree that they don't really want their kids to go into banking
作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-26 12:10
最唔想阿女做的工作:
1) Banker
2) Doctor
3) Accountant
4)...........
作者: honeybunny7 時間: 13-8-26 15:00
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Yes definitely. Most of us got into banking for the same reason - $$$,
and then we get tired of banking for different reasons.
作者: Fish777 時間: 13-8-26 15:34
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basically totally agree with you. Except dr is ok if she can choose something more lay back like dermatologist. Ibanker no even for a boy. No offend but I just think working for money alone is meaningless, while being a dr at least can help people.
作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-26 16:01
最唔想阿女做的工作的原因:
1) Banker - 人在江湖,身不由自己,说大话机会大. 对精神唔健康
2) Doctor -长期的读得辛苦, 工作上压力大, 对身体唔多好! 在美国医生的离婚% 是普通人的八倍,自杀% 又高很多!
3) Accountant - 太苦闷!
4).............
相对而言, 我的想法是非常自私的妈妈心态, 跟making the world better and making more money 完全无关矣! 当然如果孩子们觉得以上工种快乐,满足又多fun, 咪去做咯! 是她做又不是我上班.
作者: Mrslot 時間: 13-8-26 16:21 標題: 引用：最唔想阿女做的工作的原因:1)+Banker+-+人
原帖由 annie40 於 13-08-26 發表
最唔想阿女做的工作的原因:
1) Banker - 人在江湖,身不由自己,说大话机会大. 对精神唔健康
作者: Fish777 時間: 13-8-26 16:26
annie40 發表於 13-8-26 16:01
最唔想阿女做的工作的原因:
1) Banker - 人在江湖,身不由自己,说大话机会大. 对精神唔健康
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-8-26 17:15
honeybunny7 發表於 13-8-26 11:01
Top US iBank case:
- MBA preferred
- Top US schools preferred, heavy on-campus recruitment push
- Yes to local HKers from HKUST ...
If investment banks have no interest in HK talents, then I see no reason why they bother to set up shop in HK at all, I mean, HK isn't exactly cheap, and renting the kind of premises which these banks like to occupy costs an arm and a leg, so if the bulk of their business interests are in China and they are just parking their US and China employees in HK, they might as well relocate to China completely and save tons of money.
作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-8-26 17:48
annie40 發表於 13-8-26 16:01
1) Banker - 人在江湖,身不由自己,说大话机会大. 对精神唔健康
Famous saying, "香港人有咁耐風流 ...", can't remember whether he said the remaining half, but that was enough to cause an uproar, and then what did he say? "我係番書仔, 我中文唔好". What a weasel 
作者: honeybunny7 時間: 13-8-26 18:02
本帖最後由 honeybunny7 於 13-8-26 18:05 編輯
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Not sure about this, tax and regulation could be big reasons to stay in HK.A friend told me her PE firm has the whole team working in Shanghai, but still keeps ~one person and an office in HK for tax reason. Not a tax expert myself but that's what I heard.
Anyway, I don't think we should discount the HK talents completely. People dramatize about everything nowadays. Just relax, we are (still) fine. :p
作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-26 18:09
点解甘多人搶人住认中文唔好, 难度中文唔好就等于英文好到'飞天'吗?
其实他的那口英语还是'麻麻地', 够竟正确一点的说法应否是:
我係'番薯', 我中文唔好,英文唔算好, 不过够高大威猛.(同骑师比), 口才了得, 因此娶得跳水皇后 ,入籍中国, 我唔算是香港人了, 因而可以继续風流快活呢!
作者: honeybunny7 時間: 13-8-26 18:21
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Another way to look at it - as parents we're gonna sacrifice ourselves, go into these disgusting / boring professions and make a lot of $$, so that our kids won't have to choose these professions if they don't want to.
Who doesn't wish that they had just given birth to another Steve Jobs / Yo-Yo Ma / Lang Lang?
作者: Fish777 時間: 13-8-26 18:30
honeybunny7 發表於 13-8-26 18:21
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Another way to look at it - as parents we're gonna sacrifice ourselves, go into ...
作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-26 18:32
She doesn't need to be another Steve Jobs/Yoyo Ma/Lang Lang. In my point of view she is unique and would be more precious than all of them. In 'Steve Jobs' biography, I saw a man who was so fierce to be successful because he worried too much to be a failure. I took pity on him honestly.
作者: clubmed 時間: 13-8-26 21:35 標題: 回覆：annie40 的帖子
"不过够高大威猛.(同骑师比)", 高過啲騎師都係， 但大就........, 我見好多騎師都手瓜起展噃， 佢係咪呀? 排骨仔來的。
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