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作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-9 11:35 標題: ISF Parents Discussion

What do everyone think about the increase in class size?

作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-9 12:47

I'm not ISF parents. But my experience is :如果人手协调得当, 这点绝不是关键问题. ESF 30 students per class , 基本的问题不大, 除非个别孩子需要特别关顾,不然其教与学的影响不大.

有些妈妈在家看管三四个孩子兼没有佣人, 家庭安排头头是道, 有些妈妈照顾一个, 又加上佣人帮忙, 咪一样叫苦连天,到今天我都唔明白.....

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-9 13:33

I agree with you, only thing to consider is whether the school has been promoting small class as their competitive edge. If they did, and now they say it is ok to become a large class, the school has a lot to explain.

Note: I am not a ISF parent.

作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-9 13:45

学校愈来愈多客, 暂时还是容易入, 原来香港甚多有钱人呢,

你唔读还有大把人排紧队要招呼, 家长重点要考虑是人多左有否对你的孩子有坏影响, 如果无, 我就当无事发生, 随遇而安吧! 多收几个又醒又劲又有家教的, 我是高兴也来不及, 得福也! 凡事睇定D, 无好甘快滕鸡啊!

小女的year 1 班中得14人, 上到year 6 就28 人, 多些好朋友, 好家长, 老师就辛苦D, 其他没有实际改变.

作者: 金瑪姬 時間: 13-8-9 13:58 標題: 回覆：ISF Parents Discussion

15~18人一班，可以接受。

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-9 21:53

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I think acceptable in higher grades as well since the best way to draw good students is through lateral admissions. The increase in class size at the FY level is concerning though. Not sure if they can manage an increase from 15 to 18 especially given the need to teach hanyu pinyin and phonics at the same time.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-9 21:54

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Going up to 20!

作者: caa 時間: 13-8-9 22:44

Why does the school need to increase the class size, given there are already 8-10 classes each grade? Are they going to have 200 students per grade at lower grades? What a big number

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-9 22:50 標題: 引用：回復+金瑪姬+的帖子 Going+up+to+20!

原帖由 HKTHK 於 13-08-09 發表
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Going up to 20!

What was the official reason for increasing class size given by the school?

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-9 23:09

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Excess demand

作者: elock 時間: 13-8-10 19:58 標題: 回覆：HKTHK 的帖子

I was disappointed by the increase in class size. Their reason of excess demand is not acceptable. How come the school has not asked for parents' opinions before deciding the increase?

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-11 00:29

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Need to ask around but I was not aware of any consultation with parents

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-11 03:14

Parents are debenture holders and should have a say in important school matters.

作者: caa 時間: 13-8-11 11:16

I guess small class benefits younger kids than older ones. So it is only logical to increase the class sizes as the grades go up but not vice versa. And determination of class size should be based on what is most beneficial to the kids instead of reasons due to overwhelming demand especially when the school is charging top fees

作者: nintendo 時間: 13-8-11 11:52 標題: 引用：I+guess+small+class+benefits+younger+kid

原帖由 caa 於 13-08-11 發表
I guess small class benefits younger kids than older ones. So it is only logical to increase the cla ...

重點是：
1。當初學校有沒有promise每班最多有多少人數
2。法律上是否容許多收人數（每個班房應有卦文件說最多可容納多少學生）

如果學校依例辦事，我又覺得很難反對；客觀現實，如果人多了而安排好，問題不大，最重要是學校多唔多students with special needs。

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-12 10:45

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I don't think any school would "promise" or put into contract any such things. I don't know the population of special needs students and have not come across that number being disclosed.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-12 13:17

HKTHK 發表於 13-8-12 10:45
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I don't think any school would "promise" or put into contract any such things. ...

No, no school is able to promise or put it in a contact. However, if the school has been heavily promoting small class and its benefits as the school's competitive advantage, then they have to explain the change in the philosophy and how big a class is considered to big. It is about staying true to their ideals as a school.

作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-12 14:08

如果ISF的PTA影响力大. 应该及早要求学校在增加班数, 每班人数上, 要PTA 或家长投票才可通过的.

市场需求是外面的大众事, 学生和家长是学校的真正持分人, 没可能不受影响的, 怎可以哓过家长的容许而干此转变啊!

ISF 的advantages 是有大大幅地皮来加建班房, 本来是篮球场, 就在上面起多栋大楼, 然市场上甚缺合格的国产中文老师, 学千金易得, 一将难求, 现在已经常向LC & DSS 的普通话老师招手, 水平是良繡不齊, 刚好小一二学生遇上位有点水份的老师, 要学好的汉语拼音的理想, 便容易泡汤了.

还有ISF的名堂还未打好, Billigual 的理想还未落实, 有点收生上的阔容, 必然影响公开试的总体成绩, 既然交不出稳定性的实力, 未来初中, middle school 的好学生必然加入逃亡潮. 那时卖大包都没人要吧! 结果是恶性循环呢!

向来认为ISF是匹黑马,成绩是指日可待, 可惜如此急促扩张, 是艺未见而人胆大之作.  ISF的家长们倒要警醒啊, 作多手准备.......

p.s. 之前提过小女的class size 由14 to 28,(class max .30)  亦念过小班教学的学校, 基本是分别不大, 然师资水平和各方面配合的补足的其没影响的关键,  因此class size 没影响未必能成立.

作者: NoahArk 時間: 13-8-12 14:39 標題: 回覆：ISF Parents Discussion

My dear Annie, I bet you don't have the list of new Chinese teachers in front of you, do you?

作者: nintendo 時間: 13-8-12 14:40

HKTHK 發表於 13-8-12 10:45
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I don't think any school would "promise" or put into contract any such things. ...

舉例，英基一向說是每班 <30 人，耀中就是每班 <20 人。如果我記錯，請指正，但一定有一個上限。一，是學校對學生和家長的承諾；二，是消防條例問題。總之就一定有個數目，不可能說多人申請就加。

作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-12 15:54

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I am not ISF parent and may have over-exaggerated the real situation. It would be better for ISF parents to look into this matter personally. In case my words has discomforted ISF families unfairly, I would give my apology.

作者: 金瑪姬 時間: 13-8-12 18:20 標題: 回覆：ISF Parents Discussion

學校宣傳片話一班15~20人

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-14 11:35

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I don't think this is necessarily a problem but they certainly have some explaining to do

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-24 01:43

Looks like the school will implement a new way of Chinese character recognition on a trial basis called "李虎兒童自主識字法". It will only be for G1 though. Have only heard of the recognition system invented by Prof Tse at HKU and this one looks to be more popular in China. A random google find an interesting school visit by the creator of the system and his thoughts on the Chinese curriculum:

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_645723af0101e5sj.html

作者: hahasun1973 時間: 13-8-24 21:30

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Looks good

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-24 21:47

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HKTHK 發表於 13-8-24 01:43
Looks like the school will implement a new way of Chinese character recognition on a trial basis cal ...

How does it work exactly?

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-24 23:12

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No idea

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-25 00:00 標題: 引用：回復+shadeslayer+的帖子 No+idea+++++

原帖由 HKTHK 於 13-08-24 發表
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No idea

I quickly searched Internet and there were many hits. But I could not find details of this method. It seems like some form of flash card system with game cards.

作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-26 13:48

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ISF 的中文教学真的很好, 我也听过这套教材, 可惜是颇贵, 其他IS暂时未必愿意购置!

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-26 14:37 標題: 引用：回復+HKTHK+的帖子 ISF+的中文教学真的很

原帖由 annie40 於 13-08-26 發表
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ISF 的中文教学真的很好, 我也听过这套教材, 可惜是颇贵, 其他IS暂时未必愿意购置!

Annie,

You know how it works? I guess everybody can follow the principles, right?

作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-26 14:56

Shadeslayer,

你搅错了! 学野是弱项, 八挂才是我的强项, 转载的是二三手消息而已!

如果看过一点内容的人就用得着,懂得教, 边处重有人买教材???

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-26 16:34 標題: 引用：Shadeslayer,+你搅错了!+学野是弱项,+八挂

原帖由 annie40 於 13-08-26 發表
Shadeslayer,

你搅错了! 学野是弱项, 八挂才是我的强项, 转载的是二三手消息而已!

我連最基本的點 work 及其理論也不知。

作者: caa 時間: 13-8-26 17:22

本帖最後由 caa 於 13-8-26 17:28 編輯

Seems like a flash card system to aim at letting the kids learn thousands of words over a short period of time at early age, developed from mainland. Something like baby can read from the west?

作者: annie40 時間: 13-8-26 17:58

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ISF 几乎是最花努力和时间去研究中文教学的学校,中英语流利的博士学位老师不少, 如果套教材不成气候, 按文人经常喜欢相欺的人性, 应该不容易过到教学组的关卡吧!

讲左甘耐, 其实我都未见套curriculum, 如果有用, 用高出三四倍价钱(像外国奶粉) 卖去外国给鬼老学中文也好!

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-27 11:10

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I do agree that there Chinese curriculum is in decent shape. Not sure where English is though. Probably will need to spend more time with teacher to understand.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-8-27 13:25 標題: 引用：回復+annie40+的帖子 I+do+agree+that+the

原帖由 HKTHK 於 13-08-27 發表
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I do agree that there Chinese curriculum is in decent shape. Not sure where En ...

Does "李虎＂form the core of ISF Chinese curriculum?

Thanks.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-8-27 13:32

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I don't think Li Hu is a curriculum but rather just games for word recognition

作者: type409 時間: 13-9-3 12:04 標題: 引用：What+do+everyone+think+about+the+increas

原帖由 HKTHK 於 13-08-09 發表
What do everyone think about the increase in class size?

The reason is out and clear now. Due to the govt requirement towards the total student no. ISF has to raise the class size in each grade. So that ISF can renew the land lease.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-9-3 12:11

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I will have to look at the numbers in the presentation again but seems that they will be able to get to the target irregardless of increasing class size?

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-9-3 15:23 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+HKTHK+於+13-08-09+發表What+

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-9-3 22:47 編輯

原帖由 type409 於 13-09-03 發表
The reason is out and clear now. Due to the govt requirement towards the total student no. ISF has t ...

Can't they increase the # of classes instead. It seems bizarre that government controls the class size to higher than 25.

作者: nintendo 時間: 13-9-3 15:30 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+HKTHK+於+13-08-09+發表What+

原帖由 type409 於 13-09-03 發表
The reason is out and clear now. Due to the govt requirement towards the total student no. ISF has t ...

Why is there such an unfair requirement? There are other schools that have fewer than 25 students in one class.

作者: stepio 時間: 13-9-5 12:03

20 is good size, and i recalled that isf provides assistant teacher for each class, so you are talking about reasonable class size i presume.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-9-5 14:10

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If I remember correctly, assistant teacher only in FY and G1

作者: newbkmember 時間: 13-9-6 07:36

I'm a new ISF parent, do anyone here know any good nanny bus from mid-level to school? Tks.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-9-6 09:29

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I have only seen school bus but not any other nanny bus at school

作者: Alex媽咪 時間: 13-9-6 10:39

I agree with you

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-9-18 13:30

Amazing turnout this morning. Both the Lihu presentation and the morning coffee this morning has probably broken all attendance records. Can't imagine the last time I saw so many parents for a morning parent event.

作者: type409 時間: 13-9-18 14:11 標題: 回覆：ISF Parents Discussion

What is it about? I heard about that too.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-9-18 14:14

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Just a normal morning coffee but big turnout of over 120 parents. It was so big that it has to move to the cafeteria!

作者: type409 時間: 13-9-19 01:19 標題: 回覆：ISF Parents Discussion

Guess a lot of new parents in foundation year are flexible in their schedule.

作者: LeeMama328 時間: 13-9-25 10:48

HKTHK 發表於 13-9-18 13:30
Amazing turnout this morning. Both the Lihu presentation and the morning coffee this morning has pr ...

Any key points about Li Hu to share???

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-9-25 10:55

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It is a word recognition system that uses pictures to help kids recall pinyin of words. Tough to explain without seeing it but each piece of paper can be easily folded to find the correct pronunciation.

作者: LeeMama328 時間: 13-9-25 11:13

HKTHK 發表於 13-9-25 10:55
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It is a word recognition system that uses pictures to help kids recall pinyi ...

Thanks. I know what it is and I have seen it. What I asked was in the Li Hu seminar held at the School, what were the key points parents took home besides the general description of what it is and how to use it???

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-9-25 17:46

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It was more an introduction of what it is and how to use it. So not much key takeaways.

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