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作者: clifflam 時間: 13-5-25 18:14 標題: Spoken English at CKY

My friend's daughter is studying at CKY. Her written English is good but spoken English sucks. Is it a common phenomenon for students at CKY?

作者: sschiu 時間: 13-5-25 21:33 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

Unbelievable! Students have so many opportunities to speak English at school and have to do presentations in English frequently. Perhaps she is just too shy or she really needs extra help then.

作者: clifflam 時間: 13-5-26 00:30

Hi sschiu, your understanding is correct when we compare with students at LS. Yet the real english speaking opportunities at CKY may not be as many as you and I expected, based on my understanding from my friend's daughter and what my spouse observed on CKY's open day.

作者: fatgoat 時間: 13-5-26 06:39 標題: 回覆：Spoken English at CKY

如果担心这个问題，乾脆讀国际学校好了。

作者: sschiu 時間: 13-5-26 08:28 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

本帖最後由 sschiu 於 13-5-26 08:46 編輯

Hi clifflam, bear in mind most of these children speak Cantonese at home and they are learning English as a second language. The student mix is not what it is like in international schools. Also, CKY is a "bilingual school", not an English-medium school like ESF. The school wants students to aquire high standard of English and Putonghua at the same time. Therefore, the students are speaking a mixture of Cantonese, Putonghua and English in the school. Hope it explains a bit.

作者: clifflam 時間: 13-5-26 16:58

fatgoat 發表於 13-5-26 06:39
如果担心这个问題，乾脆讀国际学校好了。

Disagreed. CKY is an IB School, isn't it!?

作者: clifflam 時間: 13-5-26 17:20

Hi sschiu, yes what you said is right and also clarifies to some parents who might have had a misperception CKY is "nearly" international. Thanks for sharing!

作者: siubchumama 時間: 13-5-27 09:42

本帖最後由 siubchumama 於 13-5-27 19:20 編輯

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It may varies from class to class..
I had a couple of times with the kids (in my girl's class) outside school. They normally only speak English or Putonghua, and a lot of my friends agreed that they cannot distingush their English with international school students.

However, I also heard from some of the parents in CKY that the kids speak cantonese in school when teachers are not there.

I think it varies from class to class, for most of the cases I encountered, they always speak English (much more prefer than putonghua) even when they were playing outside school (i.e. Birthday party)

just my observation....

作者: kunggi201 時間: 13-5-27 14:20

CKY’s vision is: “In our school, every kid is good at something.”

It doesn’t say: “In our school, every kid is good at English speaking.”

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 13-5-27 19:07 標題: 回覆：Spoken English at CKY

良莠不齊有何其。問題是高水準的水平如何，水平差的又如何。以我所見，spoken english整體上是不錯的。但每班也有些唔多講英語的學生。

學校係一個環境，都要靠家庭的配合。

作者: clifflam 時間: 13-5-27 19:16

siubchumama 發表於 13-5-27 09:42
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It may varies from class to class..

I see. Thanks for sharing your observation.

作者: clifflam 時間: 13-5-27 19:23

kunggi201 發表於 13-5-27 14:20
CKY’s vision is: “In our school, every kid is good at something.”

It doesn’t say: “In our scho ...

Thanks for your quality response.....

作者: clifflam 時間: 13-5-27 21:04

kyliema2006 發表於 13-5-27 19:07
良莠不齊有何其。問題是高水準的水平如何，水平差的又如何。以我所見，spoken english整體上是不錯的。但每 ...

Agreed. Self-discipline is also crucial in language learning.

作者: catyoyo 時間: 13-5-28 02:36 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

Yes, while we are cantonese speaking family, my son and his classmates only talked in English even when doing their group project at my home during holiday, as well as their field trip, in order to follow the ECECE rule. But it heard that the higher levels may not follow strictly.

作者: clifflam 時間: 13-5-29 22:37

catyoyo 發表於 13-5-28 02:36
Yes, while we are cantonese speaking family, my son and his classmates only talked in English even w ...

My friend's daughter is at Year 7. She said all classmates speak cantonese outside the classroom. Teenage rebellion....

作者: Chima 時間: 13-5-30 11:26

Hi, my girl is now in year 8. Actually, they can switch channel easily. They can speak fluent English, Mandarin and Cantonese, of course. My girl has some friends studying in IS and they chat in fluent English and getting along well. I think the beauty of CKY is that the students can speak English well and learn Chinese well. With the increasing influence of Asia, certainly China, learning Chinese and speaking good Mandarin is actually a privilege.

作者: bc8006 時間: 13-6-2 11:46

My boy's English changes when meeting diff people. At home, with maid, HK style, with native eng speaking classmates, become native, he doesn't know he changes. Putonghua learns from yr 2, great progress, all speak in PTH. Outside school, change back to Cantonese/English. But the Chinese wording in Cantonese uses some PTH vocabulary. The PTH environment changes his use of words.

作者: bc8006 時間: 13-6-2 11:50

So far in year 1 and 2, except ECECE, they use English more when playing. 愈得興奮, 愈用英文.

作者: ourbaby 時間: 13-6-3 13:37

clifflam 發表於 13-5-25 18:14
My friend's daughter is studying at CKY. Her written English is good but spoken English sucks. Is i ...

over 1.3 billion people speak potunghua in china alone, i guess you are the worst in the world.

作者: cat_house 時間: 13-6-4 20:12 標題: 回覆：Spoken English at CKY

When you realize that they speak better English than Chinese, it is time for you to worry that you will need double effort to get them back to Chinese.

作者: kunggi201 時間: 13-6-5 16:32

cat_house 發表於 13-6-4 20:12
When you realize that they speak better English than Chinese, it is time for you to worry that you w ...

Agreed.

9年前我幫兒子選校時，考慮到一個問題：

「10年後、20年後甚至30年後，大公司請人，要員工精通甚麼語言？」

英語是國際語言，是香港人的搵食工具，當然不可缺少
而所有國際公司和香港公司都看重中國市場，不會普通話只怕搵食艱難
不說遠只說近，我公司在很多年前，請文員也要求有普通話能力了

作者: clifflam 時間: 13-6-10 00:20

ourbaby 發表於 13-6-3 13:37
over 1.3 billion people speak potunghua in china alone, i guess you are the worst in the world.

Such a blunt and offensive response. No sense. Wrong spelling. Hopeless....

作者: fatgoat 時間: 13-6-10 09:53 標題: 回覆：clifflam 的帖子

同意大家有理性回应。我的观察是家長不用太担心英语的问题。女儿唸初小，见他们玩得忘形时是讲英文的，女儿再话，ecece 他们在c day 很多时也会犯规讲英文，常被扣分。前陣子，有—在外国長大的親戚在家居住，大家用英语对答，親戚话第一两天还有少少沙石，第三天就非常地道了。补充—点，女儿並不是很突出那类。

我们—班家長，現在反而担心中文的书写(現在社会对小朋友的要求提高了)，普通话应该比传统学校好，但书写可能要在暑假写多点日記了。

总体而言，孩子在相对轾鬆下，双语发展良好，我是很滿意的。读书循序漸进，父母不是超人，不可能要求子女也是超人。

作者: kunggi201 時間: 13-6-10 22:18

本帖最後由 kunggi201 於 13-6-11 09:19 編輯

The world is fair - every kid has 24 hours a day.

The world isn’t fair - some kids may have special language talent, but most are not.

The world is fair – even if a kid doesn’t have language talent, he/she must have other talent 天生我材必有用

The world isn’t fair, is it? Those people who speak good English may not be the one in the top management/leadership.  Is Li Ka-shing speaking native English? How many native English people are working for him? How many Americans are working for Japanese companies?

Every kid is having equal time to learn.  They can devote 100% of their time to learn English, or Putonghua, so as to be very fluent, or nearly native speaking, in particular language. It is their choice, or more accurately to say, it is the choice of their parents.

To me, my choice is, I would rather see my kid achieving a good balance of various skills, not limiting to language.

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 13-6-10 22:37 標題: 引用：The+world+is+fair+-+every+kid+has+24+hou

原帖由 kunggi201 於 13-06-10 發表
The world is fair - every kid has 24 hours a day.

The world isn’t fair - some kids may have specia ...

又再次展現了一貫的公子風範，果然有見地。

地道d講：一樣米養百樣人
阿媽會話：同枱食飯，各自修行

作者: kunggi201 時間: 13-6-11 09:43

本帖最後由 kunggi201 於 13-6-11 16:15 編輯

kyliema2006 發表於 13-6-10 22:37
又再次展現了一貫的公子風範，果然有見地。

地道d講：一樣米養百樣人

慚愧慚愧！只不過是維園阿伯吹吹水而矣

CKY的教學理念是「All-RoundEducation」，是劉校長的理念，並不是我的見解

但是，很奇怪的是，很多非CKY家長，甚至是家長，把學校視作國際學校，或和國際學校比較。

以我理解，IB課程著重訓練學生的理解能力及邏輯思維，幫助學生適應大學學習模式，學生是要在多方面（語言、科技、藝術甚至參與社會活動）平衡發展，而「英語」只是學習過程中的一種媒介。當然，英語能力好，學習效率也高。

我傻傻地想，假如／如果／萬一／有天，IB課程改為中文授課，香港家長會不會仍對IB課程趨之若鶩？

「港燦家庭」的子女能夠說得一口native English，是bonus；未能達到「native level」，也沒有大不了。可能我在外國住過多年，又在某國際機構打工N年，天天接觸不同國籍的同事和客戶，聽不同口音的英語。以我所見，英語是否native，與工作能力和升職機會基本上沒有關係。

作者: 四隻貓 時間: 13-6-11 10:20

kunggi201 發表於 13-6-11 09:43
慚愧慚愧！只不過是維園阿伯吹吹水而矣CKY的教學理念是「All-RoundEducation」，是劉校長的理念，並不是 ...

正解!!
理解力, 分析力和說話技巧比發音是否Native 更重要. 成口標準語音但內容空洞又有咩用...
當然, 大家都希望最好有標準語音+良好說話技巧+言之有物....
不過幾樣野之中, 標準語音在工作上的影響應該算比較細.

啟思小學部好似就係主要用中文的IB school. 近年都幾受家長歡迎.

作者: fungwongphie 時間: 13-6-11 11:04 標題: 引用：Quote:clifflam+發表於+13-5-25+18:14+My+f

原帖由 ourbaby 於 13-06-03 發表
over 1.3 billion people speak potunghua in china alone, i guess you are the worst in the world.

Please respect others when joining a discussion here.

作者: dada123 時間: 13-6-11 16:11

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