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作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-5-25 01:40 標題: 選國際學校你最著重什麼？純屬分享，無對錯

我覺得揀IS 難過LS，因為無分band. 聽學校介紹佢地一定話自己好，我本身無太多朋友子女讀IS, 所以我少少依賴感覺，參觀完自己直覺，你地呢？

作者: sschiu 時間: 13-5-25 07:42 標題: 回覆：GentooMama 的帖子

The language education (e.g. level of Chinese taught) and may be exam results and university acceptances.

作者: hkparent 時間: 13-5-25 08:42 標題: 回覆：sschiu 的帖子

Student mix

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-5-25 10:14

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Do you mean student mix from different ethnic groups? I also like a true "international" school rather than just an English school teaching another curriculum. Nowadays seems difficult. Most schools that I have paid visit have more locals than foreigners. I hope my kid can have a global exposure.

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-5-25 10:17

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Yea. Now there are more new schools. Very difficult to assess these information. It is easier to get into new school which lack these information. It is much more difficult to get into we'll established schools nowadays

作者: hkparent 時間: 13-5-25 10:47 標題: 回覆：GentooMama 的帖子

Students from different cultures, not necessarily ethnic groups, not just Chinese families speaking English at home.

作者: md23 時間: 13-5-25 13:19

languages and location.

作者: pollybell 時間: 13-5-25 14:04

真係咁多機會任揀就好，有個位都難求。

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-5-25 14:23

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係呀！好無奈！

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-5-25 15:04 標題: 引用：Students+from+different+cultures,+not+ne

原帖由 hkparent 於 13-05-25 發表
Students from different cultures, not necessarily ethnic groups, not just Chinese families speaking ...

Is there a reason you put student mix even before, say, university placement, Chinese curriculum or faculty?

作者: hkparent 時間: 13-5-25 16:00 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子

All these can be provided by good local schools.

作者: tcbobo 時間: 13-5-25 16:05 標題: 回覆：GentooMama 的帖子

本帖最後由 tcbobo 於 13-11-19 13:42 編輯

好多時都係學校選你而唔係你選學校(那些明顯不受歡迎的學校例外）
我覺得華人學生多就最好, 香港家長管教比較嚴, 學生會乖d, 老師就要西人多的好, 教中文的就要源自國內的好

作者: elmostoney 時間: 13-5-25 18:14

本帖最後由 elmostoney 於 13-5-25 18:18 編輯

個人想孩子進is, 主要不喜填鴨教育對達標的重視, 小學而言, 特別是低年班, 比較著重學校愛心和對學生關心, 一班人數不要太多, 功課不要太多, 讓孩子有足夠時間看書和放學後去玩. 對學術重視和少功課/快樂童年, 其實是兩難全的. 我自己也為這兩個目標掙扎, 誰不想兩樣兼得?

到中學就不同了, 當然是成績比較重要.

至於品行和規矩, 西人多的學校不一定不好, 我想學校的宗旨最重要. 比較有歷史的學校中, kellett school 的學生出名有禮行為良好, 學術也不錯. 再者, 家教有很重要. 再好的學校, 一心只打算讓學校負責起教孩子德行的父母, 就不要期望太高了.

我家兩孩兒讀的is是新校, 對德育很重視 (我相信一班人數少也有一定影響, 老師能看得緊一點) 我所認識的洋人家長很多也教子有方, 將來我不敢說, 但是這兩年超讚! 反而亞洲人(包括本地人) 不一定要求孩子有禮.

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-5-25 18:16

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我都諗過但咁同直資好似無乜分別

作者: tcbobo 時間: 13-5-25 19:01 標題: 回覆：GentooMama 的帖子

行IB的LS 如蔡繼友我都喜歡, 維多利亞也不錯

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-5-25 20:28 標題: 引用：All+these+can+be+provided+by+good+local+

原帖由 hkparent 於 13-05-25 發表
All these can be provided by good local schools.

The discovery approach of IS cannot be provided by local schools, right? If you want discovery approach education instead of exam oriented local schools, then you choose IS, right? When looking at ISes, you would put student mix as the most important criteria?

Just want to understand.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-5-25 20:31 標題: 引用：好多時都係學校選你而唔係你選學校(那些明

原帖由 tcbobo 於 13-05-25 發表
好多時都係學校選你而唔係你選學校(那些明顯不受歡迎的學校例外）
我覺得華人學生多就最好, 香港家長管教比 ...

佢地d行為我唔想comment啦

Xxxx

言則所有鬼仔姝有行為問題，所有本地學校生沒行為問題？本地學生的問題在學校在家庭被「壓」下去吧了。

作者: hb12699 時間: 13-5-26 10:25 標題: 回覆：選國際學校你最著重什麼？純屬分享，無對錯

其實大家也可看看一套叫waiting for superman 嘅documentary 講美國的教育制度，內𥚃是我們家長面對的問題，如. 師生比例，大班好定小班好，資源豐富的學校是否一定有好成績，免費教育帶來的社會問題，抽籤派位是否公平（小孩的學習道路由抽獎來安排）等等。這套片的片段可以在YouTube 找到。在此向大家分享，或者有家長看完亦可在此分享

作者: Jane1983 時間: 13-5-26 12:10

朋友間都有一種謬誤，就係喜歡某些IS，但又怨學校中文吾夠。其實那些學校從無話自己係bilingual school，對人對己都係，合理期望好緊要。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-5-26 12:14 標題: 引用：朋友間都有一種謬誤，就係喜歡某些IS，但又

原帖由 Jane1983 於 13-05-26 發表
朋友間都有一種謬誤，就係喜歡某些IS，但又怨學校中文吾夠。其實那些學校從無話自己係bilingual school，對 ...

有些人是不會滿足的，到學校中英雙絕，佢又話數學唔夠。

作者: annie40 時間: 13-5-27 13:57

要求简单: 间学校正正常常就已经好好啦! 重有千万不要听家长指指点点.......

作者: annie40 時間: 13-5-27 14:09

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有些人是不會滿足的，到學校中英雙絕，佢又話數學唔夠。
****** ******
Less is more.

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

How rich you are is how less you need.

以上是成功人士的话, 我得闲就傻傻的想吓................

作者: tcbobo 時間: 13-5-28 05:02 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子

"佢地d行為我唔想comment啦 Xxxx 言則所有鬼仔姝有行為問題，所有本地學校生沒行為問題？本地學生的問題在學校在家庭被「壓」下去吧了。 "

是家長管教孩子, 改正不當行為，不是壓, 打壓不能解決問題

作者: tcbobo 時間: 13-5-28 05:11 標題: 回覆：tcbobo 的帖子

大班也未必是壞事, 小孩會從同學身上學習, 多些同學, 等同多些學習機會

他們會交換書看, 輪流做小老師教同學玩遊戲, 分享經歷

作者: gracedolly 時間: 13-5-28 08:17

小時候，家和學校相距甚遠，費了不少交通時間，回家亦已很累。
所以距家太遠的，不考慮了。一條龍也較好。

作者: Jackieson 時間: 13-5-28 11:15

GentooMama 發表於 13-5-25 10:14
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Do you mean student mix from different ethnic groups? I also like a true "inte ...

同意, 喜歡一間"真正"的國際學校, 但亦要認同及接受學校的風氣, 學生的行為.
覺得讀真正的國際學校主要是風氣自由, 壓力少(比較LS), 英文說話能力好, 但學生的行為並不是很多本地家長可以接受的.
曾多次到訪以及觀察其中一間認為是"真正"的國際學校, 很少華人面孔, 從學生當中沒有聽到一句廣東話, 只說流利純正的英語. 特意找幾個華人面孔的學生傾談, 因想用廣東話溝通比較方便, 怎料有些不懂說廣東話, 有些則半咸半淡, 說話時轉數慢半拍. 在校園總見到學生的歡笑臉...
但至於學習中文, 的確很弱, 正如樓上家長說很難做到中英雙絕. 以及學生的行為, 我也總算接受到. 反正如果讓子女出國留學(如果經濟許可), 亦是如此. 留下香港讀國際學校, 有家長monitor住仲好! 但能否入讀, 亦要隨緣.

作者: mouton 時間: 13-5-28 11:18

History, culture, facilities and atmosphere.

作者: hkparent 時間: 13-5-28 12:35 標題: 回覆：Jackieson 的帖子

Agree. Otherwise, local school with IB can do.

作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-5-28 16:20

我認為國際學校唯一的好處是自由選擇的空間。小朋友可以用自己的學習進踱，父母有親子的機會。這想法是一半學習，一半家敎的概念。香港不設家敎，但外國很常見。國際學校可以提供很有弾性的學校空間，家敎可以提供很實用的知識。

作者: meimei223 時間: 13-5-28 20:47

Yes, I totally choisumwong's point of view, if we only rely on the school to teach, probably IS is not enough for our kids, but if we can teach our kids at the same time, they are learn different things according to their progress, it is much better to force them to follow a pre-setted program, each one of them have differet talents and progess on different aspects.

作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-5-28 23:04

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Thank you for your agreement with my view. My view is fully supported by my own experience. I have two kids. My elder daughter is now grade 9 in UK and my younger son is grade 7 in IS. The reaon as mentioned before for IS is my kids can choose how to study and when to study. I gave a lot of activities and enrichment programmes to my kids. My daughter was more mature and standed out earlier in primary school. Her excellent progress and academic performance reached the top in grade 8. Then she chose to study in top UK boarding school. My younger son was not mature. He was day dreaming from grade 1 to grade 5 according to his teachers' school report. I did not worry too much about his under-performance. Actually, I had wonderfal memories with my kids, e.g. travelling aboard, farms, parks. My son this year entered college and fitted very well to school life. His talent was much appreciated by his teachers. Both my kids are gifted and talented, but they thrive because they are given room and time and my effort as well. I believe if you push your kids in wrong way like LS. most of them will underperform in their lifes.

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-5-29 01:44

I am deeply impressed by what I saw in one IS. The students in the same class were split into groups. Each group carried out different activities, the principal told me it was because the learning progress of the students were different and so they were learning at their own pace even they were in the same class. They honoured the difference among students and admitted that each student was unique. This was the moment that I was determined to send my baby to IS.

作者: tcbobo 時間: 13-5-29 06:23 標題: 回覆：GentooMama 的帖子

非常同意，在因材施教這方面IS做得幾好, 水平高的老師會不斷給他們新挑戰, 令學生不會覺得悶, 水平低的又可有特別照顧（extra EA, support service, 不過唔知要唔要比$）。分班時又分到每班都有能力高和能力低的學生, 沒有精英班, 但有從各班挑選能力特別高的學生去參加特別活動(problem solving, creativity development)。我只有
IS經驗, 所以唔清楚LS的拔尖補底是否一樣好。

作者: poonseelai 時間: 13-5-29 08:23

The beauty of mixing students of different ability level is twofold: weaker students can learn from the stronger ones and the stronger students can reinforce what they have learned through explaining to others. IS students are used to work in groups and researches show that students learn best in group of 4 to 6.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-5-29 12:23 標題: 引用：The+beauty+of+mixing+students+of+differe

原帖由 poonseelai 於 13-05-29 發表
The beauty of mixing students of different ability level is twofold: weaker students can learn from ...

Also happen in some local, aided primary schools.

作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-5-29 13:24

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It seems that your point is ideal for education in IS. However, this is not one size fits all. In reality, the problems of grouping and group work will appear in upper form and in talented students. It will put disadvantages for those students who want to learn more and who work hard. Stronger students will waste time to help weaker students. Teachers will spend more time on weaker groups. It is hard to say fair or not. But this is fact. This method of education exists for decades in public schools in UK. But people prefer independent schools if they can afford.

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-5-30 20:27 標題: 引用：回復+poonseelai+的帖子 It+seems+that+yo

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It seems that your point is ideal for education in IS. However, this is not ...

I think it depends on how much resources are put on. In public schools of UK, the failure is because the they have less resources than private school . Therefore, it is quite successful in IS in HK because all are private schools which charge high and hence have enough resources to modulate the mixing. There are many advantages of having smarter kid teaching the less smart one. There is always something to learn when you teach (I am a teacher). The kid will learn to be more patient when they teach and they can realize that they can help each other

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-5-30 22:03

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Agree, though I think this works much better in primary years than higher grades. In IBDP, for example, streaming happens automatically as a result of subject and HL/SL selection.

作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-5-31 09:01

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I agree that more resource in IS would definitely benefit students. In the issue of grouping, smarter students will no doubt have something to learn. This seems all right within a non-selective school. As a teacher, it is even perfect.But in reality, smarter students are just average students by standard of selective schools. If they compete for the same exam, they are at disadvantage position. I just heard a story. A so called top student in X college surprisingly found that his academic performance was below standard when he was tested for UK entrance exam. I repeat my point that grouping and mixing is good at primary school and lower form. Upper form definitely needs different approach in IS. Nowadays in upper form in some IS, it is not smarter students teach less smart students, but average students teach below average students. I am sorry that my point may upset you as a teacher.

作者: judymama 時間: 13-5-31 10:49 標題: 回覆：選國際學校你最著重什麼？純屬分享，無對錯

校風和教學質素

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-6-2 08:22

Choisumwong 發表於 13-5-31 09:01
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I agree that more resource in IS would definitely benefit students. In the i ...

Oh! No upset at all. Hope my previous response was not offensive. We are all sharing our experiences here. Our experiences are like pieces in the puzzle. The more we share, the more complete our picture is. Thanks for your sharing. I agree if the student are not that "smart", it is not ideal to do so. My baby is very small and so I mainly only consider the junior education now. Yours are very good point that i need to conside when she enters senior years.

作者: elizatyy 時間: 13-6-2 08:31

我希望週末是family day, 可以一家人去

作者: elizatyy 時間: 13-6-2 08:35

郊外走走、去參觀博物館、欣賞音樂會。希望小兒成長後、還覺得我是他心目中可愛的媽媽、enjoy family time.

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-6-3 22:52

elizatyy 發表於 13-6-2 08:35
郊外走走、去參觀博物館、欣賞音樂會。希望小兒成長後、還覺得我是他心目中可愛的媽媽、enjoy family time ...

唔好意思我不太明白！你既意思係揀IS可令你做上述活動？

作者: 紅紅 時間: 13-6-4 22:21

GentooMama 發表於 13-6-3 22:52
唔好意思我不太明白！你既意思係揀IS可令你做上述活動？

我諗佢意思係如果讀LS, 課餘都要應付好多功課, tests, dictations, exams ... 讀IS就唔會課餘都被學業縛住可以做自己喜歡的事情...

作者: lyhung 時間: 13-6-6 12:30

其實真係要睇下小朋友適合那類學校, 香港現在係越來越多國際學校, 學费和質素不一定成正比, 有些也大量請亞州人教, 語文,文化和教學理念都並非大家預期般理想, 對學生也不一定大家預期般caring, 學生往往表現得很自我

作者: lyhung 時間: 13-6-6 12:59

其實真係要睇下小朋友適合那類學校, 香港現在係越來越多國際學校, 學费和質素不一定成正比, 有些也大量請亞州人教, 語文,文化和教學理念都並非大家預期般理想, 對學生也不一定大家預期般caring, 學生往往表現得很自我

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-6-6 19:03 標題: 引用：其實真係要睇下小朋友適合那類學校,+香港現

原帖由 lyhung 於 13-06-06 發表
其實真係要睇下小朋友適合那類學校, 香港現在係越來越多國際學校, 學费和質素不一定成正比, 有些也大量請亞 ...

I agree that now IS is very diversified. Some IS in my opinion are more like English Schools taught by non-Chinese rather than a true international school

作者: judymama 時間: 13-6-7 15:12 標題: 引用：要求简单:+间学校正正常常就已经好好啦!+++

原帖由 annie40 於 13-05-27 發表
要求简单: 间学校正正常常就已经好好啦! 重有千万不要听家长指指点点....... ...

Yes.太多怪獸家長

作者: judymama 時間: 13-6-7 15:13 標題: 引用：郊外走走、去參觀博物館、欣賞音樂會。+希

原帖由 elizatyy 於 13-06-02 發表
郊外走走、去參觀博物館、欣賞音樂會。希望小兒成長後、還覺得我是他心目中可愛的媽媽、enjoy family time ...

作者: filicity 時間: 13-6-9 11:31

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阿女有個開心,愉快既童年!

作者: monchuBB 時間: 13-6-10 15:37

本帖最後由 monchuBB 於 13-6-10 15:38 編輯

揀小學會考慮校風,中文程度(個人偏好揀繁體字作中文教學),其次是師資(不過呢D控制唔到,好既老師成日周圍走) ; 揀中學好自然想揀學術成績好, 其次是ECA多元化的學校。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-6-10 19:42 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+monchuBB+於+13-6-10+15:38+編

原帖由 monchuBB 於 13-06-10 發表
本帖最後由 monchuBB 於 13-6-10 15:38 編輯

揀小學會考慮校風,中文程度(個人偏好揀繁體字作中文教學), ...

人地樓主問那樣最重要，你講左五六樣，好貪心下。

作者: readingbee 時間: 13-6-10 21:23

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絕對同意。LS功課太多，家長沒有時間再加入任何想輔助或新的東西，應付功課考試已經喘不過氣。IS給孩子和父母空間去幫孩子自我増值。

作者: GentooMama 時間: 13-6-11 00:10 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+monchuBB+於+13-06-10+發表本

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 13-06-10 發表
人地樓主問那樣最重要，你講左五六樣，好貪心下。

嘻嘻唔緊要啦！我都想貪心，不過一位難求！

作者: victoryu19 時間: 13-11-18 18:03

1.  Language teaching (both English and Mandarin)
2.  Minimal pressure to the kids (i.e. no homework, marks aren't important, etc)
3.  Caring teachers and instructors
4.  Big classroom + fewer than 20 students in a class
5.  Good facilities (ex: outdoor playing area, etc)

作者: Fish777 時間: 13-11-18 21:14

Thks for starting up this important topic.
For me I think language and a happy childhood and more freetime are more important. But I may be a bit greedy, I hope my kid will maintain interest in learning chinese and chinese culture.

作者: Markean 時間: 13-11-18 21:28 標題: 回覆：選國際學校你最著重什麼？純屬分享，無對錯

http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/discussion/school-starting-age-the-evidence#sthash.UEBojOsi.dpuf

This is the latest longitudinal research in Cambridge on how to become a best learner and problem solver.

作者: Fish777 時間: 13-11-18 21:55

Markean 發表於 13-11-18 21:28
http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/discussion/school-starting-age-the-evidence#sthash.UEBojOsi.dpuf

This ...

Thanks for the excellent article! I think the local schools are heading to the wrong direction!

作者: CapricornO 時間: 13-11-18 23:15

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作者: Shummamapapa 時間: 13-11-19 07:26 標題: 引用：我認為國際學校唯一的好處是自由選擇的空間

原帖由 Choisumwong 於 13-05-28 發表
我認為國際學校唯一的好處是自由選擇的空間。小朋友可以用自己的學習進踱，父母有親子的機會。這想法是一半 ...

Totally agree. We can hardly achieve real ethnic mix in hk. I would say the curriculum and padegogy respect more the natural development milestones of kids and place importance on nurturing thinking skills.

作者: mama530 時間: 13-11-19 10:07

我希望小朋友可以享受和喜愛學習, 保持求知的好奇心!

作者: himching 時間: 13-11-19 11:38

tcbobo 發表於 13-5-25 16:05
好多時都係學校選你而唔係你選學校(那些明顯不受歡迎的學校例外）
我覺得華人學生多就最好, 香港家長管教比 ...

好多時都係學校選你而唔係你選學校(那些明顯不受歡迎的學校例外） ==> 十分同意.

我覺得華人學生多就最好, 香港家長管教比較嚴, 學生會乖d, 那些鬼仔鬼妹轉校快, 佢地d行為我唔想comment啦, ==> 目測依家環境, 十分有保留, 眼見所謂乖d嘅學生, 係大人面前就會, 大人後面就..我亦唔想comment啦.

師就要西人多的好, 教中文的就要源自國內的好 ==> 十分同意, provided that 佢地識教. 朋友喜歡搵乜乜物物國家隊教佢地仔女各項運動. 但本人就覺得搵教國家隊嘅教練先係正路.

作者: lw1123 時間: 13-11-20 00:19 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+tcbobo+於+13-11-19+13:42+編

原帖由 tcbobo 於 13-05-25 發表
本帖最後由 tcbobo 於 13-11-19 13:42 編輯

好多時都係學校選你而唔係你選學校(那些明顯不受歡迎的學校 ...

超認同

作者: Choisumwong 時間: 13-11-20 15:53

我覺得孩子細的時候，選擇國際學校是對的。每年小學見家長，我小兒的老師都會說小兒不專心上堂，好像每天在發白日夢。老師其實不比本地老師好好多，，對小朋友的認識，尤其是資優的小朋友其實很少。本人好在看了很多關於栽培孩子的書，又相信自己孩子的能力。小兒小學愉快地過去，到中才發力讀書，名列前茅。今年還考到英國頭十名的中學，很難得了。

作者: elizatyy 時間: 13-11-20 18:13

當你遇上一間學校每天有8~10樣功課、每星期中·英默、一年4測4考、就知LS 和IS 的分別。

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