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作者: gigglelela 時間: 13-3-9 12:04 標題: 點解咁多人想入Rc

新手媽媽想問咁多Is點解Rc咁受歡迎

作者: tofusiuming 時間: 13-3-9 12:14 標題: 回覆：點解咁多人想入Rc

Why do u think RC is so hot?

作者: hkparent 時間: 13-3-9 12:45 標題: 回覆：gigglelela 的帖子

Much cheaper than other real IS

作者: lolokei 時間: 13-3-9 13:12 標題: 引用：Much+cheaper+than+other+real+IS +

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作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-3-9 13:36 標題: 回覆：lolokei 的帖子

Through train, IB PYP/MYP/IBDP; managed by ESF which is the biggest IS organization in HK means better resources and experience; traditional Chinese, cheap, good location for those live in East NT; and usually a backup for those also applying ESF primaries.

作者: andrewwcng 時間: 13-3-9 13:53

But, you have to pay the nomination fee, 500K.

作者: Radiomama 時間: 13-3-9 14:01 標題: 回覆：andrewwcng 的帖子

Not a must!
Many kids received offers without buying NR.

作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-3-9 14:03 標題: 回覆：andrewwcng 的帖子

It is not a must to pay but not buying. The NR which should be 400k guarantee an interview as I know many don't have chance to interview because they pick kids for interview randomly unless you have priority (ESF KG, siblings and teacher staffs' kids).

作者: Maoku 時間: 13-3-9 15:43 標題: 引用：Much+cheaper+than+other+real+IS +

原帖由 hkparent 於 13-03-09 發表
Much cheaper than other real IS

What is a real IS?

作者: tofusiuming 時間: 13-3-9 23:21

Yes, I wanna know what your meaning of "Real IS"? Pls.

作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-3-9 23:26 標題: 引用：Yes,+I+wanna+know+what+your+meaning+of+"

原帖由 tofusiuming 於 13-03-09 發表
Yes, I wanna know what your meaning of "Real IS"? Pls.

I think real IS have more than 50% parents are non Cantonese speakers. IS and LS are relative. LS should be most parents are Cantonese speakers.

作者: hkparent 時間: 13-3-10 00:17 標題: 回覆：Shrimpiggy 的帖子

Yes, the international mix of students. If most (70% or more) are HK Cantonese speaking families, it's more like a hybrid between LS and IS.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-3-10 01:17

How about this list from the Government?

ESF and International School Prospectus

作者: iseult 時間: 13-3-10 01:33

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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-3-10 03:27

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-3-10 03:33 編輯

With so many PIS offering IGCSE/IB only curriculum, the demarkation between local PIS and International school is not clear these days. However, I think an IS is an IS because not only their international curriculum, but also their international faculty and students. If we only look for international curriculum and call it an IS, then both Creative and PLKCKY are IS. This "may" stretch the definition of IS too far.

Anyway, I don't think the definition of IS is very important and the term "real" IS is not useful.

In the old days, it is less confusing. See an old education report from the HK government below and excerpt from the report.

Education commission report

4.3 Types of private secondary school.
......
(b) private independent secondary schools are entirely self financed. In September 1987 there were 67 such schools :
42 with bought places in Secondary 1 to 3 and 25 without
bought places; and
(c) "international" schools are schools operated with curricula
designed for the needs of a particular cultural, racial or
linguistic group or for students wishing to pursue their
studies overseas. Some of them have received help from
the Government in the form of favourable land47
grants, some are sponsored by their own governments
and/or communities and some have received assistance from
both quarters. There are 12 such schools at secondary
level.(18)

作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-3-10 10:33 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+shadeslayer+於+13-3-10+03:33

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 13-03-10 發表
本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-3-10 03:33 編輯

With so many PIS offering IGCSE/IB only curriculum, ...

Though this is the official definition but it is true that if foreigner students is the majority, the teachers alone can't affect the children as peer group influence is more important. Imagine that your kid go that an Italian class today for birthday, celebrating Diwali next month and having you kids best friend a Japanese boy invite your kid for his elder sisters Japanese style wedding in Japan next year. Racial difference is the essence for internationalization.....

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-3-10 11:50 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shadeslayer+於+13-03-10+發

原帖由 Shrimpiggy 於 13-03-10 發表
Though this is the official definition but it is true that if foreigner students is the majority, th ...

Celebrating Diwali is pushing your luck as there are typically not that many Indians in popular IS. But agree with you, that is why I said international faculty and student community is also important.

However, if you look at the EDB international school prospectus I gave earlier, even the official list of IS have schools having 40+% local HK and 70+% local + Chinese, eg YC, KCIS. Even the ESF schools in the Kowloon side have a much higher local percentage. Are they more international than say ISF, Discovery college, or Renassence college? I am not sure.

Again, as I said definition is not important and we should include YC, KCIS, DC, RC, ISF, VSA, CKY, Creative in IS discussion as they run non local curriculum.

作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-3-10 12:40 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子

Yes, Only HKIS where only 7% locals, GSIS are real IS but I won't use the term "real IS".

作者: Maoku 時間: 13-3-10 16:37 標題: 回覆：點解咁多人想入Rc

Perhaps EDB's definition is more on whether the school follow local curriculum. If not, they are all treated as international school, no matter they are subsidized ESF / LPC or PIS like RC / DC or those follow curriculum of other country like JIS SIS CDNIS. So there is no such school as real IS or not.

作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-3-10 16:41 標題: 回覆：Maoku 的帖子

CDNIS majority is IB, not Ontario....

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-3-10 17:26

gigglelela 發表於 13-3-9 12:04
新手媽媽想問咁多Is點解Rc咁受歡迎

I once asked a similar question here ... Given that Renaissance College and Discovery College are so alike, both are PIS under the ESF umbrella following very similar curriculum, how come we see so much discussion and interest in this forum regarding RC but hardly any mentioning of DC? The answer can be summarized in a single word, demographics.

People who attend DC are likely to be living in Disco Bay and they probably won't participate in a predominantly Chinese forum like this one, hence we don't see a lot of discussion regarding DC here. In short, a school might appear popular (or unpopular) depending on which particular group of people one asks.

作者: Maoku 時間: 13-3-10 17:38 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子

RC becomes popular perhaps because:

1.  it is more affordable to HK middle class parents.

2. It teaches traditional Chinese and Putonghua almost everyday.

3. It's a through train IB school that offers PYP, MYP and IBDP.

4. It's under the ESF umbrella but also admits a lot of students other than those from ESF kindi.

5. It's interview is selective where all people can apply. It doesn't use the Cat 1/2 system as in other ESF schools.

6.  Comments on its international faculty, parent community, student mix, facility are quite positive so far.  The IBDP results, thou still lagging behind SJS KGV, the trend is going up, that keeps it at the mid stream.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-3-10 19:02 標題: 引用：Quote:gigglelela+發表於+13-3-9+12:04+新

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-03-10 發表
I once asked a similar question here ... Given that Renaissance College and Discovery College are so ...

Of course. RC posts in this forum are 10 times more than CIS, GSIS, HKIS combined. Nobody in their right mind would think RC is more popular than CIS, GSIS, HKIS combined.

作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-3-10 19:56 標題: 引用：Quote:gigglelela+發表於+13-3-9+12:04+新

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-03-10 發表
I once asked a similar question here ... Given that Renaissance College and Discovery College are so ...

I like "Disco bay".....this name.

作者: umom 時間: 13-3-10 22:06 標題: 引用：Quote:gigglelela+發表於+13-3-9+12:04+新

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-03-10 發表
I once asked a similar question here ... Given that Renaissance College and Discovery College are so ...

Yes, I think it's really the participant demographic here in this forum.
You probably don't see lots of discussions here about other ESF schools on the HK Island, such as the Peak School, Glenealy..., but that doesn't mean these ESF schools are not as good/ sought after for in HK.

My understanding is also that RC has an agreement with the government to reserve not less than 70% of its placements for the locals.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-3-10 22:16

umom 發表於 13-3-10 22:06
Yes, I think it's really the participant demographic here in this forum.
You probably don't see lots ...

My understanding is also that RC has an agreement with the government to reserve not less than 70% of its placements for the locals.

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It is not a special agreement with the government. All PIS, ESF or not, have to have 70% HK residents.

作者: umom 時間: 13-3-10 23:38 標題: 回覆：shadeslayer 的帖子

Oh thanks for clarifying this!

When you say PIS, does this include ESF schools (non-PIS) and international schools like Harrow, American IS, CDNIS, Singapore IS..?

Are PIS in HK such as VSA, ISF, HKIS?
What about PLK-CKY, is this more a DSS?

Please advise. Thanks in advance!

作者: yeung2212 時間: 13-3-10 23:49

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Thanks a lot!
It is very useful for me.
This is the first time I know RC isn't an IS.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-3-11 00:17

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-3-11 00:19 編輯

umom 發表於 13-3-10 23:38
Oh thanks for clarifying this!

No, PIS does not include ESF-subsidized, Harrow, AIS, CDNIS, SIS, CIS, GSIS, HKIS..... These are traditional IS in the strictest sense.
CKY is a PIS, and all PIS, VSA/ISF included, has a 70% HK residents rule.

Again, use this strict sense of IS in this forum is inappropriate. Some PIS like ISF/RC/DC/CKY they run "exclusively" non local curriculum so they should be discussed here instead of 小學雜談 or 初中教育

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-3-11 01:31

Personally, I think it is pointless to debate what is an IS and which one is real. For schools that do not offer DSE, they should all be called non-traditional schools with the understanding that it is a broad spectrum. Branding some as real, implying that others are fake, will just poison the discussion and make it unnecessarily contentious.

As for the popularity of RC, I actually think it is very easy to understand. Many parents, especially those who have experienced traditional schools themselves, want a non-traditional education for their children that is not based on rote learning, drills and remedial classes outside of school. At the same time, many do not want to give up Chinese as a language either. So those schools that offer non-traditional education with Chinese have all become extremely popular.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-3-11 02:55

Except Harrow, DBIS and Kellet, I think pretty much all IS in HK nowadays take Chinese seriously, using mainland textbooks for Chinese high-flyers. Even those came from local schools are suitably challenged.

作者: Shrimpiggy 時間: 13-3-11 08:22 標題: 引用：Personally,+I+think+it+is+pointless+to+d

原帖由 HKTHK 於 13-03-11 發表
Personally, I think it is pointless to debate what is an IS and which one is real. For schools tha ...

Agree!

作者: cakids 時間: 13-3-19 00:20

does anyone mention the facilities in RC are good and modern? Kids always use iPad and Mac. by the way, RC is not cheap though it's not very expensive.

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