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作者: cpbank 時間: 12-11-27 15:18 標題: 已決定放棄St. Pauls' Co-ed的正取生資格
痛苦的決定，容易的選擇....有嘢想分享，希望大家明白。小女為N無人仕，但仍能打入決賽，仲成功獲得取錄。但其實收到信前，已同家人商量，無論怎樣，都唔會讀Co-ed，因為覺得整個過程都感覺不爽，十分之不公平。First interview,有關係人仕有權見校長，機會大約五揀一;街外人就唔係Blue-blood，唔該見老師，自己打生打死後，五十揀一，當然係精英。當時，同D家長傾開，已覺成個遊戲係玩緊我哋，大家好似做場show咁。又奇怪，竟然call我哋2nd interview,去到等，感覺奇怪，大部份嘅小朋友都坐唔定，究竟點揀人，再望望家長們，咦，個個滿頭白髮，平均年齡四十以上，行頭十足，校長見完佢哋都90度敬禮，唔知係唔係自己友。到我哋，唔知點解校長態度180度改變，咁又冇呼喝我哋，不過明顯唔同囉，話哂我哋唔係藍血人。
好嘞,完哂interview,立刻開家庭會議，大家都話有D唔對路，決定展開全面research，周圍問。點知發現以下現象:
喺某一高級會所，撞到個朋友，傾起偈嚟，佢話自己個女First interview見校長，原因係佢叫咗自己law firm嘅阿頭寫信，哇!!!第二日,同班舊同學食飯，傾開考學校，有個好Friend嘅同學話，佢個女都係N無人仕，不過都有得見校長，原因係有終審法院李國X封信，仲入埋2nd interview添，哇哇!!!一個星期前，同D讀緊Co-ed嘅家長傾，佢哋話，校長講就話任何學生都唔會感到經濟壓力,但實情係試過有兩次，班主任上課時玩數人情，讀出每位學生所捐出嘅銀碼，最少的有$500，最多有$25,000，個仔返到屋企咪問爸爸點解你捐得$1,000呀，哇哇哇!!!
寫到這裡，其實仲有嘢想講，不過怕大家悶。Let me type Eng. now as I am really slow with Chinese, the whole passage is about how unfair it is of this prestigious school. No doubt, it is still a good school, not the top school of course, no way it can reach the top with this kind of admissions process, you can see their academics and sports results comparing with other real top schools. No. 2, I have to stress that I am not a poor parent either, financially well-off, but I can't stand the attitudes of the parents in this school, I can foresee if my daughter gets in, there will not have any kinds of real close-friendship gatherings at all. Don't want to live in a cool world. No. 3, the headmistress said in the interview, her students don't need to study very hard as long as they have a basic foundation, wow, it's good, but only after I found out with the parents. They said what the teachers taught in the class are really basic stuff, no one can survive in this school without going out to learn from private tutors at least 3 times a week. Exam. questions are not based on the stuff they learned in the class, more so, if you can't get good grades, oops, it's your faults. Enough said, I want to stress again though, it is a above average school, but not suitable for our family, that's all....for those who want to keep the acceptance offers, good luck to you, but think whether it is good for your kids or it just makes you feel good to have kids studying in that school.......my advice is "DO NOT BE SELFISH, ESPECIALLY TO YOUR KIDS, OTHERWISE, YOU'LL REGRET 20 YEARS LATER".
作者: fishmeow 時間: 12-11-27 17:13
cpbank, your comment is very detail, your daughter should be very very smart who can bit the other 3000 candidates. I believe she has already got one or more other offers. I really want to say thank you to you on behalf of the people in the waiting list. My son did not have a chance to have the 2nd round interview. However, this school is our dream school! Thanks for your sharing.
作者: zooma 時間: 12-11-27 18:10
pls share more!! pls pls pls its interesting!!
作者: YRK 時間: 12-11-27 21:10
I have two children studying at St. Paul Co-ed and want to share my view on your words. I am teaching at one of the universities in Hong Kong and will use a very objective view to give my comments.
1. About the interview process, the first interview lasts for more than one hour on average for each student. The purpose is to give sufficient time to let the interviewers look at each interviewee carefully via different activities. There is no difference for headmistress or other teachers to attend the interview because they are using score cards to obtain objective assessment. In my experience, the first interview is more than important than the second one as many “blue blood” I know personally failed the first one.
2. As far as I know, the majority of so-called “blue blood” is the ones with sisters or brothers studying in the school, I see it’s natural to give preference to those “blue blood”; many schools are doing the same from long time ago.
3. We did not experience any pressure to our children for donation; neither did we hear others’.
4. I admit that some parents are very rich and what attitudes they adopt are totally the reflection of their personalities, the same happens in other school, the same happens in our society! Our children and we have no problem to find good friends without building on any financial interests.
5. The things Co-ed teaches and examines are not easy, as far as I know, the teachers really teach the difficult parts at school as I tried to test my children’s understanding of the math, and they did understand the details! I don’t let my children have any private tuition because the workload is already heavy in terms of difficulty, not the quantity.
6. The headmistress is a devoted and fair person, we like her very much. I sent my first child to study there and then my second child. They enjoy school life though the homework is demanding. This is my first hand feeling, we are not rich either and we are not “blue blood” anyway.
7. I agree that St. Paul Co-ed is not suitable for every child, of course not for every parent.
作者: CKBCHU 時間: 12-11-27 22:04
Cpbank:
希望你不要放棄這個機會，不要因為打聽得來的消息而作出決定。俾個機會你女兒同co-ed，你覺得唔好唔代表不適合你女兒。你女兒so smart,五十選一都能取錄，你應該相信校長及她的團隊。
如果不喜歡，P2轉校也可以。
我不相信會玩數人情，可能是小朋友之間互相問捐款而已，至於其他家長可以不理，只要你女兒讀得開心就得啦！
我好相信interview係好公平，有reference letter入second inv都未必有得讀！
作者: YRK 時間: 12-11-27 22:07
One more thing I want to add:
The quality of teaching in terms of teachers' love to the students and teaching methodology is most appreciated by us. We are lucky to have our children in this Christian school, thanks God!
作者: dolphin123 時間: 12-11-27 22:43
Total agree with YRK. We have a child in P.4 and we're not 'blue blood' either. We are just regular family with both working parents. We make a lot of good parents and become good friends and no one care about their family background. Most parents seems very nice. About the cirriculum, it's not easy to be honest but the teachers teaches very well and the kids can understand all the stuff and the exams are exactly what they taught in class not something more difficult (except comprehension). Also, I never heard any students have private tuition coz it's good enough to study what they taught in class for the exams. So I don't understand why there are some many rumors out there and all the above are personal experience.
作者: interview 時間: 12-11-28 10:28
其實今年幾多號註冊....出這post是別有用心？
但如果我是以小人之心度樓主，我非常戥樓主小朋友可惜家長聽一些片面之詞放棄這機會。
我在這裡再舉手，多加一個non blue blood 家長。完全贊同以上其他真正用家comment
我們都是零補習，的確有些小朋友是很多額外補習，但感覺他們多是父母缺乏安全感為補而補（小一已經開始，都未試過唔補）。
作者: joannelee 時間: 12-11-28 11:26
Before I voice out my opinions, I must declare that I have a kid now studying in coed and another one just be admitted.
Though always being regarded as group 1 persons, I personally feel and experience that the school is, amongst all others, fair in the selection process. At least, I have not heard about any comments or feedbacks that the 1st interview, which focused mostly at students' ability, was a kind of show only. Every kid has a chance.
It is right that there are many rich and famous students (or parents) in coed, from XX 集團, XX 高官, living in the Peak, etc, But surely this happens in many, not all, DSS or private schools. That said, most coed parents are working ones from the middle class who are educated and most importantly, care much about the education and whole person growth of their kids. Why accuse them/us so hardly?
After all, I personally love the school much because I can feel that the school, from down to caretakers to top to headmistress, possess a sense of care to students and a Christian mindset. And as parents, I think we have to pass judgements only after having concrete evidence and not only hear-say or posts.
作者: carmanken 時間: 12-11-28 12:12
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這個決定有點片面，爽的是家長，除非有其他好學校等緊你女，否則點會這麽輕易就放棄呢？你不怕你女兒將來問你爲什麽不給她試一試！這個正取生機會是她打拼來的，即表示她一定有些特質是適合這間學校的，你都話小女為N無人仕，但仍能打入決賽，仲成功獲得取錄，這就說明了這間學校有一定的公平性。遊戲是有多種玩法的，間間學校都有關系人士啦！有地寫到明噶，舊生或校董推薦有加分，何況這些神級學校學位有限，也不是個個關系人士子女都錄取！我仔2nd interview時其他家長包括我沒白頭哦，等候時也見不到校長對某人士90度敬禮，交談時也親切有禮。我侄仔在這間學校剛讀完6年已升中，雖然家長說起也覺有壓力，功課要跟的好緊，但現在中一想跟也無法跟了，學校已訓練學生靠自己了，侄子很喜歡Co-ed這間學校，所以鼓勵我仔努力，這個星期四我們會爲個仔注冊這個學校！
作者: interview 時間: 12-11-28 12:21
carmanken 發表於 12-11-28 12:12 
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這個星期四我們會爲個仔注冊這個學校！ ...
噢，原來未到註冊日。。。。
作者: bblovebb2 時間: 12-11-28 12:31 標題: 回覆：已決定放棄St. Pauls' Co-ed的正取生資格
作為Coed非有錢非blue blood家長，我可以肯定話你聽，你收來的資料完全不正確！
作者: TSTung 時間: 12-11-28 15:51
Are you suggesting other parents to give up the offer?
作者: jerry117 時間: 12-11-28 16:13 標題: 引用：作為Coed非有錢非blue+blood家長，我可以肯
原帖由 bblovebb2 於 12-11-28 發表
作為Coed非有錢非blue blood家長，我可以肯定話你聽，你收來的資料完全不正確！
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作者: lin624 時間: 12-11-28 19:31
我想你不認識這間學校，才會有這樣的誤解。
我大仔當年考也是無任何背景或宗教或舊生關係。
叧外，我同老公都只30 幾歲wor...
這麼出名的學校，有出名的人去考並唔出奇呀…
但唔代表全140 學生都係。
你諗多了………
作者: TSTung 時間: 12-11-28 22:51
小女都是無關係，無信仰，唔係Blue Blood，最後一批去interview, 第一Round無見校長。我和太太Under 40歲。小康之家。
我Second interview的時候，校長非常有禮貌，一直跟我們講解上一次面試情況，和小女的表現。面試完畢的時候還撫著小女的頭送我們出門。
很幸運，明天就會去註冊。
放棄是你個人選擇，我想好多家長都有自己想發。應該唔會被其他人影响呢個20年的决定。
P.S.我想好多waiting list嘅家長會好開心你嘅决定。
作者: CKBCHU 時間: 12-11-28 23:23
What is blue blood?紅十字會有冇得捐？come on, 21 世紀仲有冇呀？如果係叻。家族由自己這一代開始！
作者: KITTYbbb 時間: 12-11-29 01:53
CKBCHU 發表於 12-11-28 23:23 
What is blue blood?紅十字會有冇得捐？come on, 21 世紀仲有冇呀？如果係叻。家族由自己這一代開始！ ...
作者: gwengwen 時間: 12-11-29 05:37
首先, 1st interview唔係有關係人士先可以見校長, N無人士都好多由校長接見。我哋也是N無, 但之前也分享過, 校長好有心咁睇每一個小朋友1st interview的comment, 也有睇我在portfolio寫既嘢對答如流。
而且, 我們當日2nd interview在場一齊等候的10數個家長都係約3X的中年家長, 外表都是有教養的人士(我意思係, 絕對無啲大大聲既師奶或者港男/女), 亦見唔到90度躹躬的場面。中途校長行咗出房, 也用友善的笑容向在等候的家長們一一點頭示好。
陰謀論一點, 如果cpbank咁唔喜歡第一二輪面試, 點解今日先嚟話自己give up offer, 叫人都考慮放棄? 既然2nd interview一入門口咁難受, 直接同校長講你唔讀, 或者一早上嚟分享咗...
大家做人父母, 希望喺度分享都以心對人, 唔好開新account搞事好嗎?
作者: cpbank 時間: 12-11-29 11:01
After reading 2 days comments, I am really happy to see that it helps to promote healthy arguments here in BK. With the helps of the other parents here in BK, I know what to do now. BTW, the things that I said before are my true personal experience and those I heard from my close friends, no other motives behind. Anyway, we will go for the English assessment next month but we have to give up the 自行收生所分派的學位 though. We are catholics and we love Marymount and HKUGA. Hope that DGJS will give us a good reply and that will help to solve all the anxieties.....
作者: YRK 時間: 12-11-29 11:33
Dear cpbank:
As I know you are Catholics and you have other choices, I recommend you to try Marymount because it is also a very good school with the same religion, please be reminded that DGJS is a Christian school.
In my opinion, if I were you, I will try my best to find a comparable school with the same religion of myself, especially Catholics and Christian believe in the same God, and SPCCPS and Marymount are comparable, why not let your child study in a Catholics school.
The above viewpoint is from a religion believer, pray before you make a decision. May God bless you and family.
YRK
作者: CKBCHU 時間: 12-11-29 22:55
Cpbank
So you are taking the seat, right?
Good for you and your daughter. If you really want to give up the seat of SPCC. Please tell the school earlier. Please don't hold seats from many schools. Leave a chance to someone else.
Once again, congratulations and good luck.
作者: ubc1999 時間: 12-11-30 19:21 標題: 回覆：已決定放棄St. Pauls' Co-ed的正取生資格
My son doesn't have second interview but he was interviewed by the Headmistress. Mine is a gentle and quiet kid. I don't think only 'blue bloods' are invited to meet with the principal in first in. We were very disappointed after knowing we are rejected. But it's the school's discretionary in selecting student.
作者: helenachan 時間: 12-12-1 02:11 標題: 回覆：cpbank 的帖子
cpbank我好明白妳嘅感受，每年都有二三千人去做場show,當年我個仔入到St Paul Co-ed, 都是靠些人際關系，如果唔喺，真的要打生打死都未必考到入嚟，因為N無人仕的quota並不多。如果無錢無背景都好難考到入嚟，就好似校長的姪孫咁，聽聞不是很叻，但前年都入到嚟。
作者: CKBCHU 時間: 12-12-1 17:13
我相信每一間小學都有關係的學位。津校都有。
作者: KaHeiBaBa 時間: 12-12-2 23:25
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作者: 新爸 時間: 12-12-4 00:34
坦白講，第一眼看到這個post， 真係又興奮又心酸！這所是我們的dream school！ 現在正是其中一個心急如焚的備取生，經過第二次的面試，總帶著期待，但當收到waiting list letter後心就沈了下來，每天等待著2555xxxx字頭的電話，盼望有人放棄而有後補位，當然六十個備取生中自己小朋友可能不是頭幾個，加上DGS、DBS未公佈，哪裡會有人放棄？想收到電話簡直奢望！這個post給我們一絲毫的希望，不久就幻滅了！心酸的是我們這些真正愛這所學校，同意其教育理念，欣賞其德育培訓的家長就落空！明白自己小朋友不及別人優勝，只有靜待著奇蹟出現，期望著正取生被最心儀的學校取錄！或許這就是痴心錯配！
作者: interview 時間: 12-12-4 12:10
新爸 發表於 12-12-4 00:34
坦白講，第一眼看到這個post， 真係又興奮又心酸！這所是我們的dream school！ 現在正是其中一個心急如焚的 ...
Many will opt for DBS/ DGS if they live in Kowloon or if they have same gender siblings following
作者: steven819 時間: 12-12-4 21:07
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Sorry to disappoint to disappoint some of you. Usually the drop out rate isn't that high, Majority of the drop out are those with offer from famous Subsidery / governament schools like St Joseph/ Wah Yan, particularly those with sibling because they will automatically got the second seats.
作者: interview 時間: 12-12-4 23:51
though not a very big sample size, out of the 5 waitlisted kids I know from the past 2 years, 3 was admitted finally.
作者: gwengwen 時間: 12-12-5 02:17
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In this case that means they will have released the seats already as 自行收生 has announced result? If success to get a famous government school, people should release now or once they register at SPCC their seats at 自行and 抽獎will be cancelled. (As stated in the note sent to us with the registration notice)
I also think not many will give up the seat easily even after DBS/DBS release result as SPCC is also a top school with same high banding. If location is a concern, they would not have applied or registered. But even your kid is on the waitlist, don't give up. He/she has alread been doing very good to be in the 200 shortlisted applicants!
作者: gwengwen 時間: 12-12-7 16:26
KaHeiBaBa: 要等小朋友都Zzz晒才能上網啊...做人父母甚艱難, 嘻嘻! 你仲"早"過我!
作者: CKBCHU 時間: 12-12-7 22:26
我諗應該好少人會放棄!
我已經覺得自己個囡好叻，可能係我哋second in 表現得唔好！所以唔收，累咗個囡！
•••••just kidding. 平常心啦！
作者: bblovebb2 時間: 12-12-8 09:18 標題: 回覆：CKBCHU 的帖子
不要放棄，天父必有安排。我女兒已讀了半年了，她很喜歡學校生活，希望你女兒能成為我女兒的同學仔。
作者: CKBCHU 時間: 12-12-8 17:51
不強求，也不會跟別人一樣不停發信！隨緣！
作者: Haymama 時間: 12-12-19 00:51
很久沒有上來EK了，被樓主的題目吸引了，相信很多人都有好奇為何樓主願意放棄千萬人的DREAM SCHOOL。又聽說朋友今日收到DGS OFFER 信，有興趣知道樓主是否同樣中獎﹖若然是，恭喜你﹗因從樓主的留言似乎DGS 才是你的FIRST CHOICE。
我雖然不明白為何樓主對SPCC 有以上的看法，小女兩年前就是在SPCC 與DGS中選了前者，與大部份的家長一樣覺得這選擇沒有錯，但我總相信不同的學校適合不同的人，既然樓主對SPCC有那麼多的不滿，實在應該三思是否讓女兒入讀，要知道父母的看法會直接影響小朋友將來校園生活及表現。更加希望你儘早通知學校放棄學位，你女兒能考入SPCC又有DGS 2ND IN，一定是叻女，在哪裡讀書都必定出色，要家長與小朋友一起屈就在一所不喜歡的學校六年甚至十二年，倒不如找一間自己讀得舒服的，讓位給那些真心喜歡這所學校的家長和小朋友。要知道那些WAITING 的小朋友可能也HOLD 住其他學位，這是一個CHAIN REACTION，影響好多人，要為別人設想，吾好等到開學先放棄﹗
正在WAITING的家長，不要灰心，總有機會﹗
作者: 新爸 時間: 12-12-19 16:28
祝樓主DGJS有好消息！😜 Please be considerate and call the school to give up seat ASAP!
作者: cpbank 時間: 12-12-29 21:57
如題，Happy New Year!!
作者: bblovebb2 時間: 12-12-30 01:02 標題: 回覆：cpbank 的帖子
你返來啦！有決定未？anyway, happy new year too!
作者: 小豬8233 時間: 12-12-30 11:02
我们是清貧的家庭，当校长提名小儿时，我们怕小儿感到經濟壓力，更怕其他小朋友很多額外補習，而我們零補習，家里没有语言環境，上学能跟上吗？直到收到学校要小儿參加英文銜接課程。终感到梁校長是真心帮助的。（我们对半年哪里參加補習，能跟上課程是一籌莫展？） 間間學校都有經濟好－－－以后你能打拼得好的環境是靠自己的,你是非常好！
作者: cyyea 時間: 12-12-30 23:07
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作者: 小豬8233 時間: 12-12-31 11:59
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谢谢！看你信手拈来的英文真令我羨慕。
作者: 新爸 時間: 13-1-11 19:26
cpbank 發表於 12-12-29 21:57
如題，Happy New Year!!
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