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作者: dais 時間: 12-11-7 09:19 標題: What is so good about CKY 蔡繼有？

I was at their talk and have tried to understand more. This is one of the top heat school these years. Why? They do not have students having top IB result and achievement/university admission tracking is short (due to short history).

Can someone help? Thank you.

作者: MCLIAN 時間: 12-11-7 09:40

I am also not certain why it is a popular school. However, they just start year 12 this year? So, no IB result yet. Nor University adm. Said to have good IGCSE results. Can anyone help to interpret the results more? (the reported results were just above average or really good)? Also, whether it is good on average or whether it is very good just for a few students really makes great difference. I think there are other schools in HK which also have students taking IGCSE. Can anyone share their experience?

作者: Mayandrew 時間: 12-11-7 09:42 標題: 回覆：What is so good about CKY 蔡繼有？

Parents want CHANGE? Better CHOICE? History? Each school has DAY 1. Let's think HKUST 20 years ago? Would we foresee it could become one of the leading universities in Asia? Management, teaching staff and curriculum design......will make history! :)

作者: smellycat 時間: 12-11-7 10:01

from my understanding this is a school which focus on happy learning. they also provide a perfect bilingual environment, they school cares much about the student more than their academic results.If the parents focus more on the academic results,I think CKY is not their cup of tea.

作者: koala_choco 時間: 12-11-7 10:54

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作者: Mayandrew 時間: 12-11-7 12:52 標題: 回覆：koala_choco 的帖子

True! Most parents do expect good academic results. Many friends of mine at CIS, SIS keep sending their kids to different tutorial classes. Do expect kids will have their weekly schedule filled :)
After all, kids these days are facing keen competition and will have busy life either way.

作者: momama 時間: 12-11-7 12:54 標題: 回覆：What is so good about CKY 蔡繼有？

校舍勁大又靚，公務員讀好平！

作者: MCLIAN 時間: 12-11-7 14:18

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校風應該ok , 雖然我在open day 都見到很 " 公主病" 的學生 , 但相信現今香港每間學校都會遇到一些。

作者: chunyatmama 時間: 12-11-7 14:22 標題: 引用：校舍勁大又靚，公務員讀好平！ +

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校舍勁大又靚，公務員讀好平！

Disagree with this comment as all the new recruited civil servants have no advantage over the others. No subsidy or discount on tuition fee.

作者: dwkw333 時間: 12-11-7 14:40

dais 發表於 12-11-7 09:19
I was at their talk and have tried to understand more. This is one of the top heat school these year ...

Suggested to take a look of the following blog. You may know more about the School. Good luck.

http://find-kindergarten.blogspot.hk/2011/04/blog-post_8893.html

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 12-11-7 17:26

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dwkw333 發表於 12-11-7 14:40
Suggested to take a look of the following blog. You may know more about the School. Good luck.

http ...

可能俾Herbert攪熱左蔡繼有都唔定，因為要幫個囡囡搵小學，就開始寫下blog，跟住有人搵佢出埋書，而家係電台開埋咪。

話時話，點解咁多人搵Herbert傾心得，因為講得中肯囉。

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 12-11-7 17:45

http://www.dmx.hk/program/65

作者: 四隻貓 時間: 12-11-7 17:47

kyliema2006 發表於 12-11-7 17:26
可能俾Herbert攪熱左蔡繼有都唔定，因為要幫個囡囡搵小學，就開始寫下blog，跟住有人搵佢出埋書，而家係電 ...

都係0架, 我同朋友都有追佢既Blog, 佢既分享真係好好.

我暫時認識既小學部既家長,對CKY都係讚不絕口, 但中學果邊既家長我就唔識, 只是之前見CKY討論區中學果邊既家長表示有些憂慮.
我認識在其他IS 讀IB 的高中學生, 所得到既資訊係, 到高中開始準備考IB文憑試時會相當辛苦, 老師既經驗同質素亦非常重要.
在CKY 的情況又是如何的呢?
如果可以多一點中學果邊既家長分享賜教下就好了.

作者: MCLIAN 時間: 12-11-7 19:02 標題: 回覆：四隻貓的帖子

要在中學或CKY那边開個post至得

作者: hoihoima 時間: 12-11-7 19:34

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Did you visit the school during open day?  Did you attend the briefing session?  If you did both of the above but still cannot find an answer to your question, then CKY is not your cup of tea.

We applied for CKY last year.  To me, I really appreciate that CKY uses story books to teach English and Chinese.  My child loved reading very much.  He was so happy when he saw stories books everywhere outside the classroom in CKY.  He read and read and read....  The library is a paradize to him.  I have never seen a better kids library than the one in CKY.  We were so impressed.  I believe that he can have much time to read books if he studies in CKY.  I also appreciate the language environment there, students are expected to speak in English ONLY on Monday, Wed and Fri, and PTH ONLY on Tue and Thur.  Not sure about the implementation though.

Despite all the above good points, we did not accept the offer.  We do not want to force ourselves to the corner that we almost must send our child (and children) to study abroad for university education. I also do not like the policy that the school would not announce the ranking of the student at school.  The school says that they want to encourage students to help each other, and do not want to have competition amongst students.  However, I do like competition, it enables us to improve ourselves, and I would like to know how my child is doing as compared with other kids.

If my child cannot sustain in traditional schools, then it is possible that we may send him to CKY as a way out, but definitely not from the beginning.

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-11-7 20:07 標題: 回覆：dais 的帖子

只要信，不要問。

作者: dais 時間: 12-11-7 21:36 標題: 回覆：hoihoima 的帖子

Hoihoima, I feel exactly like what you said. So it means for parents who 100% believe in "happy learning" will go for this school.

作者: lui 時間: 12-11-7 21:58 標題: 引用：Quote:dais+發表於+12-11-7+09:19+I+was+at

原帖由 dwkw333 於 12-11-07 發表
Suggested to take a look of the following blog. You may know more about the School. Good luck.

http ...

I disagree that the maths level is lower than local school. Instead they are far deeper, in terms of the scope. Maths is divided into mental maths,maths challenge and maths calculation ( the curriculum of local school). They use Longman for math calculations. The mean of maths is around 90. So even getting 8x may result in "m" - score is from ex,s,m,I,r. Even you get all correct in math cal, doesn't mean you get high scores. Maths challenge ( some can be as hard as s1 in a local school, but it is y4 level at cky)and mental maths are not easy.
The school doesn't rank students, but all subjects have their grades.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-7 22:26

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What would you consider to be the benefits of knowing a child's ranking vs others?

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 12-11-7 22:57

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我覺得小學是語文的鞏固期，小五寫完論文，基本上孩子需達到一定的語文能力。

到初中，小兒是七年級，就訓練其思考，logical thinking， critical thinking。作為家長也要接受孩子那狠狠的一跌。自問孩子英文不賴，但今天老師告知其英文的predicted grade竟是那麼低，真是晴天霹靂。我會覺得要求的層次不同了，老師要求他們的文章要有邏輯，要求個人見解，這是深層次的訓練，學老師話齋，it's a path of learning。初中要調較學生的學習態度，以預備高年級的公開試。若你問我，調教過程是痛苦的，學生及家長都會迷失，但訓練思考的學習模式遠比填鴨式教育有意義得多。

都係嗰句，有人讀得稱心如意，亦都有人讀得甚是吃力。都要看看各人的造化及家長的功力。

今天去完parent evening好攰，講住咁多先。

作者: lui 時間: 12-11-7 23:10 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+kyliema2006+於+12-11-7+22:59

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我覺得小學是語文的鞏固期，小五寫完論文，基本上孩子需 ...

I would say CKY is definitely not an easy one. My girl needs to pay much effort to do a fair grade.

作者: MCLIAN 時間: 12-11-7 23:28

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Is your girl a primary or secondary school student?

作者: hoihoima 時間: 12-11-7 23:30

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I think in addition to the absolute points or grade, knowing the ranking is important, since I want to know how my child is doing as compared with others. Ideally, we should only be competing with ourselves to strike for excellence. However, the reality is that we are living in competition. The children need to compete for university offer, compete for jobs, and so on. If I only know that my child gets 90 points in a certain paper, then I would not know whether that paper is very easy, and he is the worst in his grade, or he is the average or top student.

作者: lui 時間: 12-11-7 23:33 標題: 引用：回復+lui+的帖子 Is+your+girl+a+primary+

原帖由 MCLIAN 於 12-11-07 發表
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Is your girl a primary or secondary school student?

She is at year 5.

作者: MCLIAN 時間: 12-11-7 23:43

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OIC. 但開始寫論文未？我常想小五生怎自己分析和寫論文? 語文能力高到自己寫千多字文章?

是否父母老師要幫很多，我相信學校不打算隨他們東抄抄、西抄抄....

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-11-8 00:00

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IB所指論文不是大學標準的論文，較為接近長文而已，跟thesis and desertation 不同程度。
當然由一般4-500字進步到1000字亦唔簡單，起碼在構思，觀點，如何串連及演繹都是很好的訓練。

家長參與多少各人原則不同，好難評論。

如果是英文書寫的功課，小兒要交兩份，一份電郵給老師，另一份要上載一個軟件網站，檢查有否過份抄襲，如你所說東抄抄，西抄抄，軟件會查得出來。我相信大部份lB學校有買這個軟件使用權，中文就好似沒有。

作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-8 00:06

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My kids don't go to CKY but I think they are using standards based assessment/reporting. In a standards based report card, you don't even know that your child has received 90 points. It is rather an assessment of whether you are meeting specific rubrics of the grade-level standards. But even if you know your child is say top 3 in the class, I know it brings joy to most parents, but what else does it actually tell you? To be comfortable with a top 3 ranking, wouldn't there need to be some implicit assumption about the quality of the school and the class?

作者: lui 時間: 12-11-8 00:08 標題: 引用：回復+lui+的帖子 OIC.+但開始寫論文未？我

原帖由 MCLIAN 於 12-11-07 發表
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OIC. 但開始寫論文未？我常想小五生怎自己分析和寫論文? 語文能力高到自己寫千多字文章?: ...

下學期才寫。上年中文已寫小論文，也有千字，我只參與少許，俾問題佢諗，自己寫想法。

作者: MCLIAN 時間: 12-11-8 07:53

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對小學生來說，是一項艱深的功課!

作者: MCLIAN 時間: 12-11-8 07:54

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Thanks. I now understand more. Good practice for the children though difficult!

作者: simpleway 時間: 12-11-8 11:10

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作者: mirage 時間: 12-11-8 11:13

I think for an primary school student , we could put a low standard on plagiarism . CKY student will chat in Cantonese in school from what I observed in Open day and form application day( I follow a group of senior students when they walk outside the school to have pe lesson, all their dialogue are in Cantonese)

作者: lui 時間: 12-11-8 11:19 標題: 回覆：MCLIAN 的帖子

我不知其他小學現在的程度，但寫小論文或論文，老師他也說是他大學時才學。我也是。當然他們不是一寫便寫，前期學習是有鋪排的。無論中英寫作，現在均有大量pervasive writing.

作者: lui 時間: 12-11-8 11:24 標題: 引用：I+think+for+an+primary+school+student+,+

原帖由 mirage 於 12-11-08 發表
I think for an primary school student , we could put a low standard on plagiarism . CKY student will ...

I think speaking Cantonese is fine after all we are all HKers. My girl speaks mandarin, English, and Cantonese with her classmates. She speaks English with good accents( she doesn't before entering CKY). My hubby's friends who are us born Chinese or Korean said she has the is accents) they communicate with each other very well. ( guys with girl).

作者: ABCdoreme 時間: 12-11-8 11:56 標題: 回覆：lui 的帖子

我自己從小接受非常傳統的教學，那麼我會否不懂得引導小朋友去做這些功課？？家長即是都要重新學過一套學習的方法？

作者: mirage 時間: 12-11-8 12:56

I don't want other parents have expectations that students in cky will use English to chat in school like some branches in ESF,so I stated here.

作者: evacalbee 時間: 12-11-8 14:07

寫論文要識好多字，咁英文串字中文默書係咪常有?

作者: Mayandrew 時間: 12-11-8 14:20 標題: 回覆：What is so good about CKY 蔡繼有？

I can tell even CIS (high school) students do speak lots of Cantonese (if they are local Chinese) but they all can speak fluent English and Putonghua. Don't worry about the trilingual situation in Hong Kong. Parents may rather worry if their kids' Chinese proficiency is not up to good standard.

作者: catyoyo 時間: 12-11-8 14:21

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I don't know why and I also find it queer. But it's a fact that quite frequent they may chat and play in English, even in recess and school picnic, may be some of the classmates they used to speak english at home.

作者: simpleway 時間: 12-11-8 14:30

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作者: catyoyo 時間: 12-11-8 14:44

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As mine is still in lower form, my observation may not comprehensive, may I refer the 2 links for your reference.

http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2359804&extra=page%3D3

http://www.edu-kingdom.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1674599&extra=page%3D7

作者: mirage 時間: 12-11-8 15:02

學校policy 話一三五校內用英文所以我認為同學自己用廣東話不太好，並不是我想孩子做假西人。另一方面，個人覺得CKY 淨係學繁體中文同用番中國人教中文已好過九成IS.ESF的中文有幾好大家知，我見過G5獸肉當一詞語教。

作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-11-8 16:14

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A friend told me the school requires all students to take Chinese A. His son wants to change to Chinese B but finds that the Chinese B classes clash with other subjects he takes. Not sure whether he finally manages to change.

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 12-11-9 22:40 標題: 回覆：What is so good about CKY 蔡繼有？

說實話，小學尤其是初小學生會遵守語言規則。到中學，學生私底會說廣東話。話雖如此，我覺得中學部更近似國際學校。八、九成科目是英語教授，而老師來自世界各地，學生已習慣隨時轉台，亦習慣了不同英語的口音。而學校的文化、視野亦頗國際視野，與傳統教學大相徑庭。

作者: mirage 時間: 12-11-9 23:33

剛剛同朋友講開，她大仔cky, 細esf kinder 準備升，esf primary school,我問佢點解去esf,佢話esf 有政府subsidize ,感覺資源多D,佢話如果中文唔好同個細補中文。

作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-9 23:57

Realistically, how many school's playground language is Mandarin?

作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-9 23:59

Can any current parent help me with the follow questions?  I tried to ask it on the CKY board but it doesn't look that active there.

1)  Are most homework in lower primary reading?

2)  For grade 1, can the children read the Chinese books by themselves or is it supposed to be read by/with parents?

3)  How does the school bridge the gap between reading with parents and self-reading?  I would imagine for some lower primary students, they do not yet have the ability to read by themselves due to lack of vocabulary or comprehension.  How do these students then complete their reading?  Is it by parents or do they make use of books with either pinyin or zhuyin?

4)  At what stage is hanyu pinyin or zhuyin taught?

5)  What are the typical Chinese books being read in Grade 1 and 2?  Are these picture, bridging or chapter books?

6)  What are the typical English books for G1 and G2?

Thank you

作者: kyliema2006 時間: 12-11-10 10:10 標題: 回覆：What is so good about CKY 蔡繼有？

試下答啦。基本上小一每天都有閱讀的功課，如朗讀worksheet或書本幾次。這類的閱讀應該是孩子可以自行完成。另一類是借閱圖書，視乎孩子喜好自行借閱的讀物，孩子未必能自行完成，所以最好每晚都有親子時間陪讀，起碼到高小。其實讀完，最好也討論文章內容或要求孩子說說感受。

至於課本是甚麼讀物，初小的書一定是圖文並茂，影刷精美。甚麼小一新生，媽媽的顏色，

幾時教普通話，一年級。漢語拼音幾時教，唔多知，不過高小已經叻過我幾條街，縱管孩子小一是普通話白痴。

作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-10 22:51

Thank you, I will try to look up those books. It also sounds like reading with your child is a critical part of everyday homework.

作者: penguin_chick 時間: 12-11-11 03:34

Atually we didn't need to read with my girl since she was in P1 anymore, she just needed to read some passage for about 5 times to us. That was just part of her homeworks.
The books will become harder and harder gradually so there was no so called bridge before she read the chapter books. Normally the books loaned from school in the reading scheme were easier even at P5, most of girls read "The rainbow fairy" at P2, started reading Roald Dahl at late P2, some boys read Harry Potter, Horrible series at P3, etc, I can't remember more.

作者: lui 時間: 12-11-11 08:04 標題: 引用：剛剛同朋友講開，她大仔cky,+細esf+kinder+

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剛剛同朋友講開，她大仔cky, 細esf kinder 準備升，esf primary school,我問佢點解去esf,佢話esf 有政府sub ...

Esf 中文冇得同CKY 比，我覺得讀得Is,預左中文差。

作者: lui 時間: 12-11-11 08:09 標題: 引用：試下答啦。基本上小一每天都有閱讀的功課，

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試下答啦。基本上小一每天都有閱讀的功課，如朗讀worksheet或書本幾次。這類的閱讀應該是孩子可以自行完成 ...

普通話勁，常指出我讀錯什麼，令我也不好意思

作者: simpleway 時間: 12-11-11 08:40

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作者: lui 時間: 12-11-11 09:42 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+simpleway+於+12-11-11+08:43+

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As my girl is p5 only, I didn't explore their higher form ability. However, her writing skills in Chinese is good and has a lot of opportunity to the use of Chinese. Quite a lot of writing every week. Also, the story book they read is not easy. At p5, they are reading "who stole my cheese", a lot of implied meaning to be explained and interpreted.

作者: blueblueclub 時間: 12-11-11 09:46

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讀得CKY, 我諗家長要相信"愉快學習". 若果家長習慣用分數排名或以學校的功課量去做標準, 讀CKY或者其他國際學校一定會很迷惑不安.

以下分亨一下小女在CKY讀書的情況.

小女現就讀CKY一年級, 每天都快快樂樂上學. CKY功課量不多, 尤其是抄寫的功課不多, 至今仍沒有傳統本地小學的測驗考試. 小朋友的功課很多時要求她回家在家長面前朗讀, 最近有個"SHOW AND TELL"習作, 要求小朋友以英文在同學面前作一個數分鐘的分享. 遲些會有Science project, 小朋友要搜集資料及做一個英文的presentation.

最近有一次機會見到小朋友上課程況, 英文老師講"Cloudy with a chance of meatballs"這本書, 一邊講一邊問問題, 小朋友全部很主動踴躍舉手答問題. 老師問的是一些啟發性的問題, 要求小朋友用想像力去回答, 例如: 若果天空下降食物, 會有甚麼問題出現? 你們喜歡甚麼食物下降?

除了功課, CKY有教德育, 要求小朋友有責任感及愛整潔, 小女要自己執書包, 自己洗澡, 很多時我們想幫下, 她都不准.

CKY亦要求小朋友練習一種樂器(管絃樂器), 小女現在會自己整合單簧管及練習, 她亦很著緊自己的練習時數(因作紀錄).

課外書的情況, 小女很喜歡闆讀, 她在圖書館找到一本"老鼠日記"(The Quest for Paradaise by Geronimo Stilton), 愛不釋手. 她可以自己闆讀及聆聽英文, 遇到深字會求問, 例如睇兒童報紙見到"We're doomed"會問doomed怎解; 聽到"catastrophe"亦會讀出來問.

題外話. 一些很個人的睇法. CKY的IGCSE成績我看過後覺得小朋友在語方科目方面比數理成績好 (整體成績比較, 但不是說數理成績不好).

作者: MCLIAN 時間: 12-11-12 00:02

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I also have such feeling for your last comment. The language subjects scored far better than the Science and Maths subjects and the choices of subjects are not that many. Does anybdy know whether the school has plans for more subjects in the coming years?

作者: blueblueclub 時間: 12-11-12 21:22

本帖最後由 blueblueclub 於 12-11-12 21:38 編輯

今日CKY學校安排了家長觀課日, 令我對CKY的教學有進一步的了解及知道自己的女兒在以甚麼的方學習.

科學堂(全英語): 老師先講解牙齒構造, 及為何要保持牙齒清潔的重要. 之後同學要做一個實驗, 就是用兩隻雞蛋, 一隻用牙膏擦過及一隻沒有放進acid會有甚麼分別. 小朋友學了如enamel, plaque, tar, gum等生字, 最後工作紙要求小朋友寫信給tooth fairy, promise自己要如何愛護牙齒. 整過實驗過程小朋友都很投入, 知道明白這個科學實驗的基本原則及結果.

英文堂(全英語): 老師跟同學討論描述appereance及personality的生字, 小朋友會學到一些較深的生字, 如persistent, arrogant, 最令我佩服是一個小朋友可以好簡單用一句英語解釋greedy的意思.

中文堂(廣東話):老師講述部首及部件的分別, 然後用不同部首拼合部件造生字, 及學習如何查中文字典.

不同課堂小朋友都很投入學習, 積極舉手爭取回答老師問題, 亦有很多小組討論的機會.

真的不知道現在本地傳統小學的模式是不是也是這樣, 但比起我以前那種"填鴨式","背誦式"及被動的學習方法, 我覺得CKY這種"探索式"很適合小女. 我很驚訝CKY小朋友的語文能力是如此強, 英文老師的說話速度從來並沒有特別減慢去遷就小朋友, 而小朋友亦並沒有跟不上的問題.

至於中文, 小女知道小二上中文課會說普通話, 所以她現在也經常在家跟我們說普通話, 她自己也常讀中文圖書時除了用廣東話讀出, 亦嚐試用普通話讀出課文, 所以我想並沒有如上邊幾位朋友擔心CKY的中文程度不夠的問題. 當然, 中文是十分難學的一種語文, 我想在抄寫方面CKY的小一學生現在應該比不上本地傳統學生. 可是, 我相信這方面並不是太大問題. 我覺得並不需要在小朋友太年幼時作大量抄寫的家課.

作者: blueblueclub 時間: 12-11-12 21:36

MCLIAN 發表於 12-11-12 00:02
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I also have such feeling for your last comment. The language subjects scor ...

Although IGCSE provids a very wide range of subjects (mostly foreign languages) to students, I don't think Hong Kong students/parents are interested in those subjects like Arabic, Latin, Greek and other non-European languages. You can check the list of subjects at below website and find that most of the popular subjects have been provided at CKY.

http://www.cie.org.uk/qualifications/academic/middlesec/igcse/subjects

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