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標題: 李寶椿聯合世界書院 IBDP 2012 成績 [打印本頁]
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-16 00:22 標題: 李寶椿聯合世界書院 IBDP 2012 成績
LPCUWC 網站已更新資料，轉制後的成績仍保持水準，希望學校再接再厲。我亦對新校長發佈今年成績的方式非常欣賞，在Calendar內 9月份海外大學不斷探訪，海外獎學金支持程度，可以暫時見到LPCUWC IBDP 教學方式及成績在香港應是最好的。
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-16 00:47
Sevenoaks 固然是好，但聯繫著中國關係概念而言，海外學生選擇報讀，這點亦是考慮的關鍵。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-16 01:40
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LPCUWC發佈成績方法跟以往有那些不同? 我感覺跟往年一樣?
教學方法應該暫時是全香港最好。
因為缺少會考基準收本地生，整體成績輕微下跌，今年仍守住第二，明年加上SPCC，可能第二不保。
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我只清楚highlight 那一段，全文沒有刪改!
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-16 10:52
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ANchan59, 不同意你的觀點. 我留意到閣下兒子之前試考LPCUWC, 到Challenge Day 便止步, 最初你對學校評價是中肯的, 亦同意配對的講法, 之前我小朋友申請報考時, 都開始留意有關討論, 到未公佈資料以前, 我更懷疑自己的決定, 但後來了解整幅圖畫之後, 我放心了. 若果只著重成績, 所講全才便失去了意義, 整套觀感似被扭曲了, 更否定十多二十年學校植下的珍貴價值.
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-16 11:14
有一些優點我想LPCUWC是獨特的:
1) UWC的世界觀
2) 文化交流, 擔當橋樑角色
3) CAS 的多元化
4) 可持續性探究
5) 住宿(非寄宿)生活體驗
6) 海外大學對LPCUWC觀感及支持性
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-16 11:24
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不同意你的觀點. ??
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請解釋清楚!
妳再看清楚我的原文，我分開教學方法及成績。
由始至終，我都欣賞LPCUWC的教學，寄宿，男女校及多元文化仍是全港最優秀。(妳有時間，可以翻看我的日誌，我一向對LPCUWC推崇備之。)
成績只是以事論事，絕無扁低LPCUWC之意，而事實上舊生及教師早已知曉，選LPCUWC應該欣賞該校的教學模式以非已成績為主。
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我相信自己的分享是持平，小兒入不到就是入不到，亦無因此扁低其他學校，妳多心了。
希望妳孩子享受在LPCUWC的學習生活，同時有優異IBDP成績!!!
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-16 11:45
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http://www.edu-kingdom.com/home.php?mod=space&uid=107125&do=blog&id=1552
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作者: ivankan 時間: 12-9-16 17:50
幸好本地生成績保持有３８．８分..全港第一。恭喜。恭喜！！！！
http://www.lpcuwc.edu.hk/uploads ... n_in_IB_Results.pdf
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-16 18:11
Even local students, LPCUWC may not the no. 1 in HK.
作者: ivankan 時間: 12-9-16 19:48
幸好ANChan59你的兒子入不到LPCUWC！！！.留在ＤＢＳ讀IBDP！！！
真幸運.下年ＤＢＳ一定是全港第一・有可能是全球第―！！！恭喜。恭喜！！！！
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-16 20:28
ivankan 發表於 12-9-16 19:48 
幸好ANChan59你的兒子入不到LPCUWC！！！.留在ＤＢＳ讀IBDP！！！
真幸運.下年ＤＢＳ一定是全港第一・有可 ...
I guess next year may be:
SPCC
DBS
LPCUWC
CIS
SIS (Singaporean)
......
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-17 00:31
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資料由網友評價罷了.
正如上文提及, 學校自身有自己的立腳點, 獨特之處, 作為家長, 既然孩子早具潛質, 讓他多走多看無妨, 而我覺得LPCUWC 跟其他學校特別之處, 是賦予學生一個足夠空間(而不是既定路線或思想領域)去拓展自己, 這一點含量我起碼會比較看重, 不然只是死物一件, 正如閣下所謂實事求是而已.
我想遴選過程是精心設計的, 包含評委, 老師, 舊生及學生的心機, 有很多應考學生只能應付而已, 相信閣下應該了解.
恕我直言, 數字分析正如何永煊講, 結果參考價值要看整套基數搜集質量, 基數大少, 出發點不同往往結果便有差異.
家長眼睛是雪亮的, 相信 LPCUWC 仍會發揮其獨特之處.
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-17 00:39
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成績好都需要多方面肯定，你可以了解到今年獎學金的情況便清楚.
http://www.lpcuwc.edu.hk/uploads/10-12_scholars.pdf
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-17 10:37
本帖最後由 Shootastar 於 12-9-17 14:57 編輯
No doubt, IPCUWC is the best, if not the second, IB college in Hong Kong as at today.
However, the number of scholarships granted to a college's students may not necessarily reflect that the college is the best. It is only one of the indicators. Many of my kid's classmates were also granted scholarships from overseas elite colleges as well as local universities.
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-17 14:10
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在此作點補充, UWC舊生網絡以我所了解是較為團結的, 參與事務亦很多, 因此, 在長遠發展方面都提出很多意見, 我相信對學校會有幫助, 良性競爭底下, 得益最終會是學生.
我之前對其他IS了解不多, 認為穩定及往績會給予一些指引, 例如獎學金 UWC Davis Scholarship 贊助人拜訪; 或側重於本土學生獎學金的美國大學, 頒發獎學金予LPCUWC 學生, 都會使我覺得, 如孩子成績好, 日後進入大學門路選擇性會更廣, 認受性亦較強.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-17 15:07
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"在此作點補充, UWC舊生網絡以我所了解是較為團結的, 參與事務亦很多, 因此, 在長遠發展方面都提出很多意見, 我相信對學校會有幫助, 良性競爭底下, 得益最終會是學生." Good comment.
If you are a US citizen, invariably, the US colleges would give some sort of scholarships to the applicants if they give you an admission offer. If you apply for financial aid, it is rare that you would not have some sort of grant.
If you are not an american, the US colleges would not give you financial aid (save for about 10+ colleges which extend their financial aids to non citizen such as Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Duke, etc), but they would give some sort of scholarships to successful applicants.
Many local universities would give successful non-jupas students scholarships to attract them to stidy if they are admitted. Personally, I know 2 of my son's classmates (from IS in Hong Kong) obtained $60,000 each year (for 3 years) from HKU to study LLB (some 5 years ago).
作者: annie40 時間: 12-9-17 15:29
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Fair comment. I like it. Sometimes we parents are too sensitive on the subject of acadamic results that cloud our mind to see things clearly. I do the same mistake occasionally.
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-17 17:04
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多謝 Shootastar 的 good comment.
記得自己的年代, 要取一條[船]去讀書不是那麼容易的事; 十二三年前, 當我的孩子仍是兩三歲, 讓他們讀國際學校更是遙不可及. 現在報讀國際學校已愈見普及, 但是, 怎樣利用/選擇好這塊跳板, 使他們通過這個契機, 創造好自己呢? 我對這個問題現在仍然跟著孩子一起摸索, 探討(有時很激烈), 雖然困難處處, 結果暫時是大家滿意的.
我記得Parent Orientation 當日, 其中一位老師(她亦是校友, 亦是家長)提醒, 讓他們選擇自己的路吧, 因為他們喜歡, 所以最終的效果會是理想的. 雖然擔心, 但深信Transformative Education 會把孩子有更好的轉變, 當然跟孩子良性互動亦要記緊. 期望孩子改變, 在大學學習道路上會更好走, 更順利.
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-17 17:14
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有時候覺得, 或者是一些人或資料提醒, 平衡是好的, 令自己或感染身邊的人不要過份, 拿捏不易, 但生活在現今社會, 我覺得會有用處. 再者內涵更要日積月累.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-17 17:42
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我記得Parent Orientation 當日, 其中一位老師
(她亦是校友, 亦是家長)提醒, 讓他們選擇自己的路吧, 因為他們喜歡, 所以最終的效果會是理想的. 雖然擔心, 但深信Transformative Education 會把孩子有更好的轉變, 當然跟孩子良性互動亦要記緊. 期望孩子改變, 在大學學習道路上會更好走, 更順利.
I totally agree with you that we should let the children fly. I am sure that LPCUWC could give a good runway to him to excel in the future.
作者: ivankan 時間: 12-9-18 07:33
thanks a lot
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-9-18 11:13
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"However, the number of scholarships granted to a college's students may not necessarily reflect that the college is the best. It is only one of the indicators."
Some people might say one of the other "indicators" is the universities the graduates go to. Judging by this criteria, I think CIS did better than LPC for 2011/2012. (By the way, my family has no connection with either CIS or LPC. I make the statement based on the information available on the 2 schools' websites)
"No doubt, IPCUWC is the best, if not the second, IB college in Hong Kong as at today."
To me, the best school is not the one that has the best academic results or the most scholarship or whatever. Rather, it is the one that brings out the best in the students. If it could help the students to achieve their full potential, then I would call it the best school.
作者: ivankan 時間: 12-9-18 11:24
good point!!!!!!!
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-18 12:33
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"Some people might say one of the other "indicators" is the universities the graduates go to. Judging by this criteria, I think CIS did better than LPC for 2011/2012. (By the way, my family has no connection with either CIS or LPC. I make the statement based on the information available on the 2 schools' websites) "
I agree that one of the indicators is the college placements of a school. Arguably, CIS might did better then LPCWUC in 2011 as far as college placements are concerned. However, if we look at fhe figures for the last 5 years, I have the impression that LPCUWC is still better than CIS on college placements.
"No doubt, IPCUWC is the best, if not the second, IB college in Hong Kong as at today."
I share with you the philosophy that the best school is not the one that has the best academic results or the number of scholarships its students have or whatever. If we have to compare different schools, we have to compare a number of common indicators and add the marks of each indicators before we can come to a conclusion.
To me I would measure a school by
(1) the examination results;
(2) the college placements;
(3) the training it provides to the students;
(4) the admission percentage;
(5) its school philosphy on education and whether it can deliver according to its philosophy;
(6) the recognition by well known or elite colleges around the world;
(7) the equipments, facilities, services provided by the school;
(8) the scholarships its students obtain each year;
(9) the faculty and student ratio;
(10) cultural exchange experience provided to the students.
Having summed up the above factors, my personal view is LPCUWC could help the students to stretch their potentials to their limits and provide them an experience of international horizon, which allow them to fly in the future. That is why I said "No doubt, LPCUWC is the best, if not the second, IB college in Hong Kong as at today."
Lastly, I have to declare my interest that I have no kids who studied, study or will study in LPCUWC.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-9-18 13:02
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-9-18 13:03 編輯
I note that a number of LPC students go to the really top US colleges. I wonder how many of them are actually HK students or are they mostly from overseas?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-18 19:15
bobbycheung 發表於 12-9-18 13:02
I note that a number of LPC students go to the really top US colleges. I wonder how many of them ar ...
作者: ivankan 時間: 12-9-18 20:31
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http://www.lpcuwc.edu.hk/uploads/2004-2012_comparison_in_IB_Results.pdf
49 LOCAL STUDENTS
72 OVERSEA STUDENTS
作者: CHAN-2 時間: 12-9-18 22:15 標題: 回覆：ivankan 的帖子
"幸好ANChan59你的兒子入不到LPCUWC！！！.留在ＤＢＳ讀IBDP！！！
真幸運.下年ＤＢＳ一定是全港第一・有可能是全球第―！！！恭喜。恭喜！！！！"
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如果LPCUWC在各方面條件都好好，收生又嚴選尖子，IB results 卻無法超越ＤＢＳ，何解？
既然LPCUWC遴選過程是精心設計的，如果入唔到LPCUWC，卻能夠在ＤＢＳ取得佳績，那只能說明ＤＢＳ是較高增值的。否則，那裡出了問題？
作者: ivankan 時間: 12-9-18 22:38
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我都説下年ＤＢＳ一定是全港第一・有可能是全球第―！！！！
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-9-18 23:40
本帖最後由 bobbycheung 於 12-9-18 23:46 編輯
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ANChan59,
So you are saying they are mostly from overseas. Right?
(唔好以為唔答就無事, 有時唔答都會死. 係比我害死. 
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作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-9-18 23:44
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Thanks, ivankan. I know HK students' average score is a lot higher than the overseas students'. But when it comes to US colleges, the admission officers look at many factors in addition to the academic results. So I am just wondering what the real situation is like there.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-18 23:46
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"如果LPCUWC在各方面條件都好好，收生又嚴選尖子，IB results 卻無法超越ＤＢＳ，何解？"
For the time being LPCUWC is still better than DBS as far as IB results are concerned. However I am not surporsed that DBS may overcome LPC or become No.1 in the world next year. Why? It is because of its class size. DBS has about 35 students in the class and LPC has about 120 students. If the sample is larger, it is difficult to pull up the average by a small portion. However, if the class size is small, an increase of two to three students of IB 44 or 45 would make the average higher.
"既然LPCUWC遴選過程是精心設計的，如果入唔到LPCUWC，卻能夠在ＤＢＳ取得佳績，那只能說明ＤＢＳ是較高增值的。否則，那裡出了問題?
If we consider the IB results only, I agree that DBS might have an apparent increase in the average of IB scores next year. No doubt, DBS is one of the top IB schools in Hong Kong. However, if we want to compare DBS with LPCUWC, I think we need to compare the 10 indicators I mentioned in the previous post. If we compare all the indicators, I would choose LPCUWC as the best IB school although its average IB result may be a little bit lower than DBS next year.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-18 23:51
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Base on your indicators, I will write up some observations in my blog.
Here, parents are too sensitive.......
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-18 23:52
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Listen to the unheard...
作者: CHAN-2 時間: 12-9-18 23:52 標題: 回覆：Shootastar 的帖子
Thanks for your patient reply and analysis.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-9-18 23:56
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Stop laughing! Or else I would be listening to the dead.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-19 00:06
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Shootastar
I agreed with your first comment, it's sensible and true. The best IB college in UK is a girl school and also student number less than 50. That's the limitation of DSS and nothing to do with DBS and other DSS.
For the second comment, it's more complicated. As you said more students from overseas, they are much easier to get into their local elite universities and much easier to get scholarships. Other considerations of those indicators:
1. History of the IB school, how can you compare a brand new IB college with a 18+ years established UWC;
2. Value and number of scholarships, US$2,000 vs US$50,000;
3. Number of overseas students....
4. Placements also interlinked with history of the colleges.
5. Co-edu vs boys.....
6. Difficult to compare philosophy and mission among schools
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I always enjoy to discuss and share with you, your views always enlighten me.
ANChan59
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-19 00:35
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Add one more point, DBS and SPCC have Pre-IB and really help students to tune in IB learning method, even not taking MYP in middle school.
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-19 00:40
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作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-19 00:41
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作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-19 00:49
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同意 Shootastar 在 sample size 及 多元方面的解釋.
作者: ivankan 時間: 12-9-19 07:46
一句講哂.要成績-DBS.香港學校求成績是一流的!!!要多元発展-LPC!!!
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-19 10:56
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"I agreed with your first comment, it's sensible and true. The best IB college in UK is a girl school and also student number less than 50. That's the limitation of DSS and nothing to do with DBS and other DSS."
Yes, that is why I always think that the best IB school in UK is Sevenoaks.
For the second comment, it's more complicated.
Yes, it is a bit complicated because of the number of factors.
As you said more students from overseas, they are much easier to get into their local elite universities and much easier to get scholarships.
This is true. This is a strong point of LPC as well.
Other considerations of those indicators:
1. History of the IB school, how can you compare a brand new IB college with a 18+ years established UWC;
I have high regard to DBC's IB average of 38, the first IB cohort of DBS. However, if we compare schools, LPC is in a better position simply because of its history.
2. Value and number of scholarships, US$2,000 vs US$50,000;
For Ivy league or elite collegs (I mean top 10 to 15), they would not give scholarships to the students to avoid the unhealthy competition for students. They only give you financial aid so long as they admit a student who needs financial aid to study in that school. The exception is the small number of scholarships established by alumni or other organisation but the amount of which is not as high as US$50,000.00. Usually such scholarship is in the region of US$10,000 (th highest) to US$1,000 or S$2,000.00 If one who is granted a financial aid of US$50,000.00 each year, this factor should be reflected in the college placement factor.
3. Number of overseas students...
This is the strong point of LPC because it provides a diversity to the learning environment.
4. Placements also interlinked with history of the colleges.
DBS and LPC both have long history. I think both schools are well known amongst elite colleges in the world.
5. Co-edu vs boys....
I tend to think that most if not all elite colleges would not take this factor into account when they decide to admit an applicant.
6. Difficult to compare philosophy and mission among schools
Yes it is difficult if they have similar philosophy and mission, However some schools would stress, apart from learning, on sport, musics, services, science or all rounder.
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I always enjoy to discuss and share with you, your views always enlighten me.
It is also my enjoyment to discuss and share with you. In fact, I appreciate your effort in sharing all relevant education matters to the parents who really want to assist their kids and place them in a better position in this competitive society.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-19 11:01
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I think both DBS and LPC can provide a comprehensive education to the kids. It is extremely difficult to get into any one of them. No matter which one you kid studies, I am sure that your kid would receive an education which would enable him to excel in the future.
P.S. I declare my interest that I have no kid who studied, study or will study in DBS or LPC.
作者: Annie123 時間: 12-9-19 11:59
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作者: annie40 時間: 12-9-19 12:08
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Chan-2,
十多年来认识不少就读各国的United World College & LPCUWC 的孩子, 除了读书, 他们同辈之间常常讨论是'如何把世界变得更美好', 最cool 的同学就是把热血+ 知识+ 行动去帮助其它弱群的几位年青人, 不少同学情愿犧牲温书的时光, 持续举办一些慈善,和励志的projects. 他们相信干有义意的事, 考试成绩单因此而少两三分也是值得的. 学校亦是非常支持同学参与这类课外工作, 要保证拿取极高的平均分,成为'第一'大阿哥, 不是LPC的办学目标. 这点从他们收取学生标准可见一斑, 並非按成绩佳者为优先选择的.
时刻盘算考试分数的孩子和家长, 或许入读UWC会是失望而回 ! 人各有志, 我想往后其它IB学校的成绩优于LPC也是很正常啊!
annie
p.s. I am not UWC or LPCUW parent.
作者: CHAN-2 時間: 12-9-19 12:36
回復 annie40 的帖子
Thank you.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-9-19 13:17
回復 Shootastar 的帖子
"As you said more students from overseas, they are much easier to get into their local elite universities and much easier to get scholarships.
This is true. This is a strong point of LPC as well."
This might be a strong point for overseas students, but necessarily for HK students. In fact, this is what I have been asking. Which universities do the high-scoring HK students normally go to?
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-9-19 16:33
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Thanks so much for your comments and sharing.
I guess only annie40 and you understand my thoughts on LPC, I am one of the first parents to share more on LPC's screening process and others, I don't even mind to share my son's failure case except.
Annie40 is right, no point to be frank and tell the true in EK.
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-19 23:29
UWC, Happy 50th Anniversary!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nUxwICw4aLY
作者: annie40 時間: 12-9-20 12:15
回復 ANChan59 的帖子
Add one more point, DBS and SPCC have Pre-IB and really help students to tune in IB learning method, even not taking MYP in middle school.
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Yes, it must add hundred * for those students and teachers in DBS and SPCC. It's amazing to see they really make it beautifully.
作者: ivankan 時間: 12-9-21 19:21
thanks a lot
作者: kathyvomama 時間: 12-9-30 00:15
回復 ANChan59 的帖子
Apologies. I’m not supposed to view such of these hobbling and misrepresenting messages like ANCHAN59 circulated, absolutely unfair and groundless. There are totally different about education scenarios and I believe every single professional reviewer should beware before address opinions. I think Parents joining EK have their expectation to view comments with quality and of course minimal civility. Respect and don’t ruin like these. Ugliness.
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-11-10 23:28
I have come across quite a number of UWC graduates, both from LPC and other colleges, and they are all first class students and individuals. I really cannot think of a much better group (only possible exception being SEO interns) to belong to. How I wish I had gone there myself!
While CIS is indeed a good school and has very good IB scores as well, I do not believe its college placements is as good as LPCUWC. CIS does very well at college placements but one also has to take into account additional assistance from 1) legacy students: whose parents' went to elite colleges themselves and the admission rate for their child are obviously higher, 2) donation/influence: many CIS parents are very wealthy and powerful and that open doors. If they try hard enough, they will be able to get to a board member of their desired university to at least get a better hearing. If one were to adjusted for these, I think LPCUWC would do better but of course, this is just IMHO.
作者: simpleway 時間: 12-11-11 08:13
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