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作者: elbar 時間: 12-8-21 13:14 標題: 港產IB狀元15人 男拔最標青 本地生表現佳 平均分超全球
除中學文憑試外，不少港生亦透過IB（International Baccalaureate，國際文憑）試爭取入大學。
根據12間學校提供的IB成績計算，本港今年最少出產15名狀元，當中以首次應戰IB試的拔萃男書院最標青，狀元比率和學生平均分，均冠絕所有學校。
港生整體表現亦優秀，平均分達34.8分（滿分為45分），高於全球平均水平。
現時本港約有25間學校提供IB文憑課程，包括國際、私立和直資名校，當中約17間因開辦課程滿兩年，已有學生應考IB試。
男拔首應試 平均分達38分
根據IB機構向本報提供的資料，以持香港護照學生或永久居民計算，今年5月份的考試共出產10名「地道」香港狀元，狀元比率達1.6%，高於全球平均。
然而，尚有個別在港讀書的外籍學生奪得滿分，根據本報所獲、12間本港學校的應屆IB成績，今年香港最少出產了15名狀元。
「地道」港生整體表現理想，平均分達34.8，較全球平均分高出5分；考獲40分或以上的尖子比率亦達23%，遠超全球平均比率的6.4%。
根據本港IB學校提供的資料，首次出產IB考生、僅33人報考的拔萃男書院，成為後起之秀，平均分達38分，躋身眾校之冠，該校亦誕生一名45分滿分狀元，狀元比率同樣冠絕各校。
男拔發言人表示，校方決定開辦IB時，曾作長時間研究，並走訪澳洲、美國等地；亦設一年IB預備班，供學生自中四開始修讀，及早訓練與別不同的學習模式，並要經常自我反省及應用知識，因此正式升讀IB課程開始，已掌握一定技巧。
控制收生數目以控制質素亦十分重要，校內、校外生均可於中三申請修讀IB課程，校方設有筆試及兩次面試，以學生時間管理、對社會事物了解及社交技巧等作收生準則。
該校IB課程師生比率為1:1至1:22，讓師生有更多交流機會；再加上不少導師本身亦為IB課程核卷員，所以對應試技巧、評分準則等十分了解，可以針對課程要求教授。
英皇佐治五世 4人獲滿分
英基學校表現亦不俗，當中英皇佐治五世學校及南島中學分別出產4及3名狀元，港島中學和沙田學院亦各有2名。此外，滬江維多利亞學校、啟思中學、英基西島中學亦分別出產一名狀元。
至於其他地區，上海、北京和台灣IB尖子比率，分別為16.5%、11%及8.8%，低於香港的23.2%。
IB機構表示，考生成績受多項因素影響，包括教師經驗和質素、同輩和兄姐影響、學校設施、家長和政府支援等，難以簡單解釋各地區學生成績差異。
機構又認為，不應只着眼於公開試的成績，亦要着重學生如何從學習經歷之中，裝備自己以應付未來大學的生涯。
作者: Mighty 時間: 12-8-21 13:24
其実想一想、DBS大家都知道是本地名校、圧力大、会谷、反観ESF学校、学生都是比較HEA下HEA下的、BUT成績都算OK鴉。
作者: manstap 時間: 12-8-21 15:46
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作者: clara1477 時間: 12-8-21 17:08 標題: 回覆：港產IB狀元15人 男拔最標青 本地生表現佳 平均分超全球
DBS 人數少，收尖子。
作者: Littleho 時間: 12-8-21 17:37
CIS just released 2012 results
http://www.cis.edu.hk/cisnews.asp?lang=e&detailpage=1&docid=120
作者: Ving 時間: 12-8-22 00:20
It seems that ISF IB result is bit disappointed.
作者: Mighty 時間: 12-8-22 11:26
Ving 發表於 12-8-21 19:20 
It seems that ISF IB result is bit disappointed.
haha 係disappointing but you are disappointed.
作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-8-22 13:03
從另一角度看，其實那些比較新的學校（包括RC，維記，ISF），每間top10 percentile的學生都拿到40分或以上，算係吳錯，起碼證明學校有培養好成績的平台。
作者: Littleho 時間: 12-8-22 13:12
For some schools, their academic results are affected/distorted by the depth and breath of their sholarship programs.
作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-8-22 13:17
Which schools u refer to?
作者: Ciz 時間: 12-8-22 14:20
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Apart from being new, these schools have a much higher percentage of students doing bilingual diploma (RC 60%+, ISF 70%+) which is more difficult, whereas ESF schools only have 10%+. This may be one reason why their results are not as impressive. But this leads me to wonder: does getting a bilingual diploma help with university admission? Or only the score counts?
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-8-22 15:11
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Apart from being new, these schools have a much higher percentage of students ...
Bilingual DP means a student takes 2 Literature papers (ie Eng Lit and Chinese Lit for most of the HK students).
As far as I know, no added benefit.
There is hearsay that some Us will discount the IB points if a Chinese student (or a student with a Chinese name!) only takes the Chinese Language paper which is perceived as easier than the Chinese Literature paper.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-8-22 16:34
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I remember we had a discussion about this subject in BK previously. There's a passage from SIS's Handbook which says "Chinese students taking Language B Chinese need to be aware that this may not be considered to be a foreign language by some universities."
http://www.sis.edu.hk/sites/sis/ ... ook%202011-2013.pdf
For these universities, I guess doing Chinese does not only confer no benefit; it is in fact a drawback as the students could have taken a Language Ab Initio course in another language instead which would then be counted as a foreign language.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-8-22 20:39
bobbycheung 發表於 12-8-22 16:34
I remember we had a discussion about this subject in BK previously. There's a passage from SIS's Ha ...
Thanks bobbycheung. This is the first "official" mentioning of the risk for a Chinese student taking Chinese B. Are you aware of any real cases where students were rejected by Us because of this?
作者: HKTHK 時間: 12-8-22 20:46
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Not sure about college admission but wouldn't dual language proficiency helps with getting a job and just enjoying life in general? Just have a tough time believing it is easy to find good employment these days without a second language like Mandarin.
作者: Ciz 時間: 12-8-23 00:14
I'm still trying to understand this. In the spirit of education, these schools' effort in promoting bilingual proficiency is admirable. But when others are taking the easy way, these students are at a disadvantage. Of course, it's another story if the student does really well in Chinese but this is not the case for most international school students.
Nevertheless, I can think of one instance when the bilingual diploma may be of significance. It's when the student is applying for HK universities. Such degrees as law and medicine do require a certain level of proficiency in Chinese. Having Chinese A may then put the candidate in a better position providing the score is reasonably good. Am I correct?
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-8-23 10:13
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poonseelai,
Sorry, I've got no idea. I guess it's real because otherwise SIS wouldn't have said it. Perhaps SIS parents or students could tell us which universities adopt this view.
作者: slamai 時間: 12-8-23 11:29
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In the SIS document concerned, it refers to the plausible case of Foreign Language courses only of some Us rather than courses in general of these Us. If in doubt, better discuss with your school's U counselor.
作者: Ciz 時間: 12-8-23 12:20
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I meant taking Chin B, which presumably is easier. I'm not comparing IB with DSE/HKAL. My question is, if bilingual diploma (i.e. Eng A + Chin A) offers no advantage, what's the point of doing it as is encouraged by these newer int'l schools? Why not go for Chin B?
Anyway, you're right. I should better understand with my kids' school when the time comes. Thanks all.
作者: hkparent 時間: 12-8-23 13:01
If you apply for UK Us, I think it's better to take French/Spanish/German as foreigh language rather than Chinese. Chinese can be learnt easily outside of school (private tutor, centres etc.) but other foreign languagues are not so.
作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-8-23 13:13
Ciz 發表於 12-8-23 12:20
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I meant taking Chin B, which presumably is easier. I'm not comparing IB with DSE/H ...
Based on my limited knowledge, the difference between language A and B is on the focus: A more on the analytical skill and B on the use of the language.
Most people would think A is more difficult but this is not my understanding.
Language A is supposed to be a student’s first language (or the mother tongue) and B a foreign language.
What should be the first language for most HK students then?
In addition to A and B, there is now a third choice, Language and Literature.
Need to find out more about this.
作者: WYmom 時間: 12-8-23 13:59
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Lang and Lit is also Chinese A... the choice are:
Chinese A Lang and Lit
Chinese A Lit
Chinese B
Same choices for English A and B.
Choosing A or B depends on the student's ability and afforts/time they have on this subject... as I know, A is more difficult than B.
作者: Annie123 時間: 12-8-23 15:55
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-8-23 16:25
Annie123 發表於 12-8-23 15:55
I have looked at that section of the SIS booklet and that section seems to be tackling subject (ma ...
Annie123, you are right. The comments re Chinese apply in particular to application to UK universities.
作者: Annie123 時間: 12-8-23 16:36
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作者: Annie123 時間: 12-8-23 16:39
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作者: Ciz 時間: 12-8-23 17:53
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Thanks for the detailed explanations and fair comments. My apologies for my choice of words if it sounds offensive.
Actually I'm not thinking about fairness; rather it's about the strategy or making the right choices in order to secure a better score. If my child's Chinese is of a standard high enough to do Chin A but tells me that he opts for Chin B to play safe and increase his chance of getting into his desired U, I don't think I have reason to object. Whether the school allows him to do so is another matter (but why wouldn't it?). I'm only wondering why these schools place so much emphasis on bilingual diploma which, as many of you said, has minimal practical value. In both ISF and RC's websites, the bilingual diploma is described as 'prestigious'.
作者: slamai 時間: 12-8-23 18:15
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The bilingual diploma is prestigious as it signifies proficiency in the two languages concerned. However, U admission is more than a language matter.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-8-23 18:18
Sorry, everybody.
"Foreign Language courses ask for one Language and often prefer two at diploma level" 咁大隻字都睇唔到. There is really no excuse. 抵打!
作者: Annie123 時間: 12-8-23 19:26
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作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-26 11:47
Mighty 發表於 12-8-21 13:24
其実想一想、DBS大家都知道是本地名校、圧力大、会谷、反観ESF学校、学生都是比較HEA下HEA下的、BUT成績都 ...
我不想比較誰谷誰hea, 因為各人樣本不同，難以比較，無謂口水戰。反而従實際的角度看lB。
我識得的朋友，如果有孩子讀lBDP，每人都說十分辛苦及有挑戰性，不論是LPC，IS，ESF或DSS學校，所以hea是較困難，如果是天才，又當別論。小兒讀了一年lB預備班，及完成lBDP第一年，因為功課量及多完化，老師的要求配合lBO的理念，用在功課時間是多了，睡眠時間少了，交功課時間較複雜，所以時間管理是明顯進步了。
在DBS，所有學生都可以選lB及NSS，學生在面試時已知道功課是不少，要求亦高，不要以為比NSS輕鬆。部分考試精明的學生不一定選lB。
語文訓練方面，我十分慶幸小兒在相對低水平，在老師諄諄教導下，進步十分鼓舞，令我們看到合適環境及師訓下，小班教學是有果效的。
老師挑戰他們的觀點，讓他們的視野拉闊，明白不同文化背景對同一事件的不同角度；學懂欣賞及尊重其他人的觀點，學識如何善意批評或給同學的正確反饋。
我看到學生的豐盛得著，遠超於38，
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-27 08:00
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另一位家長去信IBO想了解B，AB如何區分，lBO的回覆是靠學校的判斷及老師的經驗。
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-27 13:02
Littleho 發表於 12-8-22 13:12
For some schools, their academic results are affected/distorted by the depth and breath of their sho ...
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-27 13:07
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slamai Taking Chinese B HL should be sufficient for most cases unless to opt for a Chinese language degree.
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[color=rgb(153, 153, 153) !important]My som shared withbme， even you go for Chinese B, but your EE on Chinese, up to certain grades, you still can have Bilingual Diploma..... I didn't cross check the validity, just for another reference.
作者: joys2334 時間: 12-8-29 11:17
Mighty 發表於 12-8-21 13:24
其実想一想、DBS大家都知道是本地名校、圧力大、会谷、反観ESF学校、学生都是比較HEA下HEA下的、BUT成績都 ...
吓我一d都唔覺得佢地hea (不過大部份親戚朋友都覺得讀IS的人十分hea冇野做冇乜壓力)
但事實上是相反(當然有一部份學生係選擇唔做或打機, 咁都唔会死得, 起碼佢地行出黎滿口也是流利英語)
試想如果佢地係hea 根本唔會在public examinations 中取到好成績, 講緊係public exam喎
事實上佢地係讀到死死吓, 除了考試, 功課, projects, ,又要ECA, volunteering, summer jobs, SAT, etc., 因外國大學要看, 有時真覺得他們邊有咁多時間, 5-6點才放學返屋企
不過IS students 都好識work life balance, 所以比人感覺咪hea囉
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-29 11:45
joys2334 發表於 12-8-29 11:17
吓我一d都唔覺得佢地hea (不過大部份親戚朋友都覺得讀IS的人十分hea冇野做冇乜壓力)
但事實上是相反(當然 ...
There is no one kind of school which is more superior than the other types of schools. There are a number of good IS as well as a number of local schools. It depends on what types of schools are best fit to your kids.
作者: Annie123 時間: 12-8-30 10:42
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作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-30 11:59
Whether a student "hea" in ibdp is quite different to whether it is possible for him to"hea".
For example, even the average performance of DBS (which is the second, if not the best average in Hong Kong) is 38, there are students below 38, some even got 33 or 34. How can we describe such students? Their ability is not suitable to take ibdp? or what?
作者: hkparent 時間: 12-8-30 12:49
33 or 34 is not bad, if you understand the requirements of ibdp. With such scores students can enter 2nd-tier univ in the UK.
作者: Annie123 時間: 12-8-30 13:16
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作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-30 13:37
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You and I still consider LPCUWC still the front runner of IBDP in HK.
That's good for the kids, they have a target to hit.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-30 13:41
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Well said, my target for my boy is 38+/45. MBBS HKU, Economics in LSE or Cambridge are all fine to me.
I like the curriculum design, and he enjoys and embraces the challenges, the results will follow.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-30 15:19
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We are not discussing whether 33 or 34 score is good or not. To me 33 or 34 is quite good. I have a nephew who scored 29 several years ago. This year he graduated with a 2:1 LLB from a second tier UK university.
What we are discussing is whether an IB student can "hea" or not. Using your example, the DBS students were screened (for their ability and interest) before they are admitted to take the IBDP. If they have the ability to study and not interested in scoring 40+ for Harvard or HKU medical school, why their score is so "low" if they are not "hea"?
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-30 15:25
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The standard offer of LSE and Cambridge for Economics is 38 with 766 or 776 in HL. There is no interview by LSE. If your son's interview is fine with Cambridge, I have pretty certain that he has an offer from either or both school.
Regarding MBBS or MB ChB of the two local medical schools, I think they would invite your son for an interview if his PG is 40/42. Given the increase of spaces from 160 to 210 for each medical school (totally an increase of 100), I think the competition is less fierce than the year before.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-30 15:42
For LSE, very sure to have an offer, only Cambridge is questionable.
I guess he will get at least one medicine offer in HK.
HKUST BBA as safety net.
作者: Annie123 時間: 12-8-30 16:46
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作者: annie40 時間: 12-8-30 17:07
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joys2334,
你讲左我多年想讲的话, 谢! Mighty 的女儿还年少, 他用hea字来形容日常生活, 亦无可厚非.
这个'hea'字, 跟大家羡慕人家孩子非常乖又出色时, 话你就好彩啦, 那个'好彩'二字差不多. 世界上那有甘多好彩, 人家父母背后是有学问的,发了功而不着跡吧!
错觉以为IS孩子时常'hea', 是因为他们大部分时光也是做着自己喜欢的事. 小学时看书看到天婚地暗, 如果把看书时光,量化如其他教育体系的功课+温习, 他们花的努力,随时是同辈群组的top 2%. 中学时是一边听歌一边做功课, 做 project, 专心做, 很少投诉, 无论多忙, 照样生活, 不会轻易放弃钟爱的sports, music and hobbies. 因此也是超忙碌的, 他们每天是干着钟爱的事, 表现轻松, 神态自若, 旁人不明所以, 便用'hea'字来形容, 看真点, 是善用时间, 那有''hea'过才真.
天下那有不劳而获的事情, 下次我们觉得人家好彩数或'hea' 下已经很出色,不妨再查究背后的因由.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-30 17:09
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Thanks for your best wish,
Definitely, I will share the good news with you all next year.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-30 17:18
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In short, they are taking a "hea" life style whether or not he is taking IBDP or not.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-8-30 22:04
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有意思，這個世界那裡有這麼多符碌。no pain, no gain.
作者: martie 時間: 12-9-1 23:09
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annie40 發表於 12-8-30 17:07
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joys2334,
One thing I notice is IS students always enjoy what they do and excel in that whilst some local students strive very hard to reach the top. The difference is the former enjoy what they do and the latter suffer during the process. That explains what people see "hea" for the IS students and hard working or "pain" in local students.
作者: jackfruit 時間: 12-9-28 12:38
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Thank you!
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