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作者: ChiChiPaPa    時間: 12-7-26 19:22     標題: IB還是HKDSE？

男拔和啟思在兩個考試的賽果是否清楚顯示應選IB？
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作者: WYmom    時間: 12-7-26 21:08

I don't think so. IB will lead to non-Jupas and DSE will be Jupas...IB students usually target more at overseas universities... so all depends on your plan of further studies.
作者: doraemonMa    時間: 12-7-27 08:52

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作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 10:31

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Could you share which HKU course your relative was admitted on the strength of his/her IB score of 30?
作者: WYmom    時間: 12-7-27 10:45

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What is the equivalent of IB score 30 to HKDSE or AL?  As I remember, it is like 3A?? Not sure, but it is not a low equivalent.

For those local schools with better IBD results than HKDSE, I believe it is to certain extent related to the selection of students into the 2 schemes.  There are many more students taking HKDSE than IBD in HK, majority of HKDSE students are not qualified for universities.  If the quota of non-jupas remains to be 20%, the competition of IBD students will be more intense in the future as more and more schools send students to take IBD.  For now, students have to work very hard to get IB score of 35+ if they want to enter some more desirable faculties.
IBD is nothing easy, of course you can send your kids to take IBD if they are more confident with taking it than HKDSE.
作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 10:59

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The quota for Non-Jupas is about 20% of the places available. Since each year the Us may admit about 10% of its places for Mainland applicants, so the remaining places for IBD applicants and others are around 10% only. This year each of CU and HKU has admitted more than 320 Mainland applicants.
作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 11:12

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If we use UCAS points as a reference (which was prepared by a group of educational experts in UK after studying different programme over a period of years), it is easy to make the comparison of IB scores and HKDSE.

IB 30 (for 6 subjects and TOK) is equivalent to 392 UCAS points.

For 6 subjects of HKDSE, four subjects of "4" and three subjects of "3" is equivalent to 400 UCAS points.

I think it is a good comparison.

Hong Kong Diploma of Secondary Education*
GradeTariff points
All subjects except MathematicsMathematics compulsory componentMathematics optional components
5**No value pending receipt of candidate evidence (post 2012)
5*1306070
51204560
4803550
3402540

*Tariff points are available for the Hong Kong Diploma of Secondary Education for entry into higher education from 2012 onwards.

International Baccalaureate (IB) Diploma
IB Diploma pointsUCAS Tariff
45720
44698
43676
42654
41632
40611
39589
38567
37545
36523
35501
34479
33457
32435
31413
30392
29370
28348
27326
26304
25282
24260



作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 11:15

Shootastar 發表於 12-7-27 11:12
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If we use UCAS points as a reference (which was prepared by a group of educationa ...

I made an error: 4 subjects of "4" and two (not three) subjects of "3" is equivalent to 400 UCAS points.
作者: WYmom    時間: 12-7-27 11:24

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Thanks, but interestingly, universities only count 4 subjects of HKDSE or HKAL, for IBD, will they also look at the scores of Eng, Chinese, Maths and one selective more heavily instead of looking at an average of the 6 subjects?
For IBD, score 4 out of 7 is only a pass, but in HKDSE, score 2 out of a scale of 7 from 1 to 5** is already a pass...so is it easier to pass in HKDSE?  Or do you mean HKDSE is more difficult than IBD?  I doubt it.


作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 11:47

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Since there is no more local AL, let us focus on the HKDSE and IB.

The minimum entrance requirement for local Us on the strength of HKDSE is 3322 plus two subject of "2" from electives. In other words, you need the score of 6 subjects to decide whether you are entitled to make an application to local Us.

In case of HKU, you can see that they would consider the higher score of 5 subjects (out of the 6 best) and some faculty would require the scores of 6 subjects. If you do not have an aggregate of score 20 (based on the best 5), it is unlikely that you are offered a place by HKU.

In case of CU, you can see that the minimum score for an interview (medicine course) is 5 subjects of score "5*" - a minimum aggregate score of 30.

In case of IB, the standard offers by different Us (both local and overseas, not US) would be based on an overall IB score plus a minimum score from HL subjects. So you need a minimum score (based on 6 subjects plus TOK) to satisfy the first conditions before you would be assessed based on your score of HL subjects.

In other words, in my views, all Us would consider the scores of 5 to 6 best subjects from the result of HKDSE and the scores of all 6 subjects from IBD.
作者: doraemonMa    時間: 12-7-27 12:00

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作者: WYmom    時間: 12-7-27 12:02

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For medicine, the IBD score required is 40+, so more or less equal to HKDSE's requirements of five 5*... so no matter studying which exam, need to get the same good results... in my opinion, since the quota of non-Jupas for local IBD students is a lot lower than HKDSE , taking HKDSE maybe more economical and beneficial.
作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 12:04

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Now I answer your query as to the passing rate of HKDSE and IBD.

Roughly the percentage of obtaining a "2" or above in HKDSE is in the region of 75% for most subjects.

For IBD, the percentage of obtaining a "4" or above is in the region of 75% to 85% for most subjects (whether HL or SL).

From the statistics, I am of view that the difficulty in obtaining a "2" in HKDSE or a "4" in IB is more or less similar although a "2" is not allocated any UCAS points.

Higher LevelStandard LevelCore requirements*
GradeTariff pointsGradeTariff pointsGradeTariff points
71307703120
6110659280
580543140
450427010
320311

From the above table, you can see that a "4" of HL is allocated 50 UCAS points and a "4" of SL is allocated a 27 UCAS points.

A "3" of HKDSE is allocated 40 except maths which is allocated 25 for the compulsory and 40 for the extended part. So a "3" of HKDSE is of 13 UCAS higher than a "4" of SL of IBD but 10 UCAS points lower than a "4" of HL of IBD.

I hope the above will give a scientific analysis of the two examinations results.

作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 12:07

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Agree. Admission to BA course is relative easy. My son's classmate was admitted to a BA program of one of the top 10 UK university on the strength of BCC GCE-AL 3 years ago.
作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 12:10

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Agree. If you aim is not studying overseas, HKDSE appears to be a good choice. If you have good results, you can study locally or be admitted to overseas elite college. My D's ex-classmate (studying in one of the top girl school in Kowloon) is admitted to an Ivy league college based on her HKDSE curriculum.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-7-27 14:09

How come Ivy leagues still need DSE results?
作者: penguin_chick    時間: 12-7-27 14:40

If you need good U place, both IB and DSE are good. If you need good education, I chooce IB.
作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-27 15:16

While IB could provide a good education but not all students could afford to pay $50,000 to $150,000 annually. Even if you could afford to pay, the competition for an IB place is very keen in deed.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-7-29 02:36

penguin_chick 發表於 12-7-27 14:40
If you need good U place, both IB and DSE are good. If you need good education, I chooce IB.
Totally agree.
Some parents lost track why their kids taking IB at the beginning.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-7-29 02:38

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Shootastar
I still think financial resource is important but not the most critical one. Understand what is IB before considering it or not.

Some schools provide IB in a reasonable cost, of course, may have a few years to demonstrate their performances and deliverables.

ANChan59
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-7-29 02:48

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Did you consider how many students sit for IBDP and HKDSE? 4-5000 vs 70,000.
More than half of IBDP graduates go for overseas. You can check the admission data of LPCUWC, very small percentage go for medicine, as same scores, you can go for Ivy League and Oxbridge with some scholarships, why bother HKU medicine.
作者: WYmom    時間: 12-7-29 08:49

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Yes, I have said that most IBD students target more for overseas universities in my previous messages, so parents choosing IBD or HKDSE depends on their future planning for their kids.
For medicine and law, some IBD students will choose to study in HK if they want to carry on their career in HK in long term as overseas graduates have to go through more exams and/or studies if they come back to HK to work...



作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-7-29 12:27

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Good we are on the same page.

Put my son as example, his target PG aimed for medicine in G10-11. After he achieved a reasonable grade in PG, doors open up, medicine may not be the best choice among more good potential offers. It's pretty aligned with some old boys' comment from LPCUWC.
作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-29 15:21

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I cannot agree with you more. You should consider your future plan before you take a particular curriculum IB or HKDSE.
作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-29 15:30

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Could you please share why your son changes his plan of studying medicine after obtaining a reasonable PG? If he wants to study medicine, he has to show the admission officer his passion of becoming a doctor which should be supported by his activities, services and commitment.
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-7-29 15:37

Shootastar 發表於 12-7-29 15:30
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Could you please share why your son changes his plan of studying medicine afte ...
I just say have a reasonable good results, so many opportunities. He still have time to pick the better choice.
In previous posts, I shared with parents that medicine may not fit his character, law, economics or finance may fit him more. Of course, we allow him to make the final shot.......

His attachments not just medicine, but also in law and finance...... His EE will be related to medicine and macro-economics...

The coming months will be tough for the whole family, make a right choice ........
作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-7-29 15:50

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Two weeks ago, we talked to a University Admission Consultant in HK. After knowing our safety net tactics, he can't help to write a strong Personal Statement for 2 or 3 focus....
Talk to you later when back to HK.
作者: Shootastar    時間: 12-7-29 15:51

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My best wishes that you son could find out his true passion in months to come.

作者: ANChan59    時間: 12-7-29 17:22

Thanks so much.



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