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作者: nickmum 時間: 12-6-28 22:06 標題: 升學美國
有冇人用過學貫中西攪仔女去美國升學，有冇用？
作者: ScholarAndCo 時間: 12-7-5 10:41
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作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-5 22:56
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To be honest, the effect of engaging a consultant is limited. If you buy a book concerning the US colleges admission, you know what the consultants tell you. A book costs you $200 to $300. Even if you buy 3 books, the cost is not more than $1,000.00. The costs of engaging a college consultant is between $80,000 to $120,000.00 What a big difference.
If there is a big effect, maybe it is worthy to do so. The true fact is unless you are holding an American passport and have GPA more than 3.8 and SAT more than 2,200 and many leadership and service experience, I do not think a consultant can make any significant difference to the admission result.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-7-6 01:32
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To be honest, the effect of engaging a consultant is limited. If you buy a book ...
Hi, Shootastar,
Could you tell us more?
(1) Are you saying "holding an American passport + having GPA of more than 3.8 and SAT of more than 2,200 + many leadership and service experience" is the minimum threshold? If you can't meet it, no consultant can get you into a good US college.
(2) What if you are able to meet these criteria? Would it be worthwhile then to engage the service of a consultant?
I understand that the consultancy fees for US college admission range from $100K to $300K nowadays. It is infinitely more expensive than buying a few books on the subject. I bought well over 10 books on US college admission myself. But the problem is that the more I read, the less confident I become of handling the application by myself. It's mainly because each book will tell you something "new" which is not mentioned in the other books. I am aware that these "secrets" are there to boost the sales. But you never know if you've missed out some "tricks" or "shortcuts" that are fatal to your application. 
I know having perfect or near perfect scores and grades is the minimum requirement as almost all applicants have them, To me, the most difficult part of the application process is the "leadership and activities" part. They want someone who "shines". But with lots of students doing all kind of unusual or even weird activities nowadays, how could one become outstanding and stand out from the crowd? I heard that many consultants would tailor-make activities for their students. But again, when you have lots of applicants doing all kinds of "unique" activities, how could you possibly distingush yourself? 
Bobby
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-6 11:07
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(1) If you do some researches on the number of international students admitted by Ivy colleges, you will find that their incoming classes have around 8% of international students. On average, the class size of each Ivy college is around 1,200 to 1,600, with the exception that Cornell admits 3,200 and UPenn admits 2,400 freshmen each year. Take the example of Cornell, the international students it admits each year is about 300 while the other Ivies admit about 130 to 150. On average, they could only admit one student from one country. I have to stress that it is just an average figures. Assuming each college admits 2 HK students (not holding US passport), the total number of student (not holding US passport) is around 15 to 20. There are at least more than 100 local students have the statistics I mentioned (or its equivalent, such as IB 42 or above, or 4 to 4A* (A-level) plus 9 to 11 A to A (IGCSE). If you do not have the statitics (which I think is minimum), the chance of being admitted is very slim with or without the assistance from a college consultants. If you hold an US passports, you will be in the other pool. Each colleges admits more than 1,400 students, you will have better chance.
(2) If you have the statistics I mentioned and hold a US passport, it is worthwhile to engage an admission consultant although I doubt very much about the effect. If the consultant is of ethics, he cannot write any application essay for you. He can only explain and advise you the best way to make a very competitive application., You will find the same information from books.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-6 11:25
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I continue to share with you my experience.
I had gone through college application twice, one for my S and the other for my D. I engaged no college consultant in both occasions. My S obtained 4 offers from UK top law schools and he was even in the winter pool of Cambridge. He made 9 applications to US colleges. He was successful on 2 applications, one from a state U and the other from a second tier private college. Al;though his statistics were more or less the same as his classmates, they were admitted to Ivies (including Columbia, U Penn and Princeton) because all of them hold US passports.
My D had SAT 2,200+ plus 3 SAT II subject tests 800. She had 4AP "5" at the time of making the application last year. She was the editor in chief of the year book. She was the captain of the badminton school team. She was also a service team leader in a charitable organisation. Her GPA is amongst the top 5% in her class. She had very strong recommendations from school counslor and teacher. Her application essay was proof-read by her English teacher and school counselor. It appears to me that she has a very competitive application. The result is quite disappointing because none of the 5 Ivies (or Ivy equivalent) she applied admitted her. The reason is most obvious. She is not an American. She made application to UK medical school as well. She had 2 offers from 2 UK medical schools. She also made applications to medical school in HK. My D had offers from both local medical schools.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-6 11:47
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I continue to share with you my experience on service and leadership.
In my view, the admission officers would like to see your passion. how and why you choose a particular service and what do you learn or gain from them. You need not to do some weird activities or service to boost up your application.
Some traditional activities or services may have bettter effect. For example, your kid could form a club providing tuition to lower class students on science subjects. He could ask his classmates join the club, For example, every day after school, the team-members would stay in the classroom to wait for the students who are in need of assistance on the science subjects. Each member would be on duty once a week. As a leader you kid can stay twice a week. If your kid can do so for a period of time, it can show that he has the leadership, he has the passion to help others. He needs to revise his science subjects before he is on duty. In a way he is helping himself. I think he could make a good application by making a reflection on the formation of the club, the chance for him to practice and grow, Of course this is one of the examples I wish to share with you. There are many other ways to show your activities and leadership. The college admission officers can distinguish some leadership and activities which could be :"bought" or gained as a result of the passion to do great thing.
作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-7-7 02:56 標題: 回覆：Shootastar 的帖子
Thanks for your advice.
I will pm you later to seek for your comments on US applications.
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-7-7 17:03
Shootastar, thanks!
作者: Pigmama1012 時間: 12-7-25 23:01 標題: 回覆：升學美國
睇下你想報中學定大學。駛乜搵中介，如你有心水學校，上學校的網站看admission info. 我中學大學都在美國讀書，從來冇找agent or consultant.
作者: Chess 時間: 12-7-26 01:55
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Hi Shootastar,
Your replies are very informative. Do you mind to tell if your daughter studies in an international school in HK?
Do you think it will make a difference if, with all things unchanged, your daughter studied in a top tier private school in US like Andover?
作者: kkbbkk 時間: 12-7-26 10:56
Cheer,
Re your question.
It makes a big difference if the student is from a US reputable Private high school (they call pre-school), not necessarily be as top-notched as Andoer. This explains why there are students year by year from HKIS transfer to study in the US from grade 9.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-26 11:40
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It is a pleasure to share experience with dedicated parents.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-26 11:53
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Chess
My D studies in an international school in Hong Kong.
I cannot say whether my D' case will change if she studies in an American boarding school such as Andover, Exeter, St. Paul or Deerfield. All I can say is there are two pools for American and foreign students. My S and D have classmates who switched to the boarding school in UK after grade 9. Both of them (holding UK passports) were admitted to U Penn. Maybe diversity worked.
I wish to stress that it is not important for local students to be admitted to Ivies or their equivalents. However, the odd is definitely lower if you compare an American with the same statistics.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-26 11:55
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kkbbkk
For non-Ivies or their equivalents, I agree that it may make a difference. But if you apply for Ivies or their equivalents, I need statistics before I can draw my own conclusion.
作者: Chess 時間: 12-7-26 12:22
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kkbbkk & Shootastar, thanks!
I am curious to know in the case of a HK student (w/o foreign passport) studying in a US reputable private school, will the chance of being admitted to ivy league be bigger, i.e. he or she is not competing with international students for the limited places.
Shootastar, kindly share if you find relevant statistics.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-26 12:34
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Chess
For classification purpose, the college would make the classification of domestic or foreign applicant solely on the base of their passports, not on the base of place where you receive your education.
Even if you study in a top 10 boarding school in USA, you are still a foreigner if you do not have an American passport or a Green Card.
I am also interested to know the statistics of admission by Ivies or their equivalents of non Americans, who study in elite boarding schools in USA.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-26 12:37
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Chess
作者: kkbbkk 時間: 12-7-26 12:56
Dear Shootaster:
True that it is difficult to draw a conclusion especially that we don't have figures. I just posted my observations. Here are some more examples. All are friends of mind and my son's classmates:
Three US passport holders:
1) Brother from HKIS to Deerfield ---> better results .----> not addmitted to Ivy league (but another very good Uni in 2010)
Younger brother from HKIS to reputable US prep-school -------> results not as good as elder brother --> admitted to Ivy League in 2012
2) HKIS to reputable prep-school ----> Ivy League in 2012
This girl, her father and all her siblings are Ivy League graduates. She has "double" legacy.
Non US passport holders:
1) A girl from HKIS to reputable prep-school -----> good results -------> Ivy League in 2011
2) from ESF to prep-school
Elder brother from a reputable prep school ------->to good university in 2011
Younger brother studying in Andover , a rising Senior. let's wait and see what university he enters.
All these are HK students.
I also know that for MIT, only those US passport holders can apply for Early Decision (this means the 1st phase of admission will be granted to US passport holders) . I don't know if any other IVY Leagues have the same policy.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-26 16:42
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Thank you for your sharing.
It would appear that it is easier to be admitted to Ivies if you are from a top-notched boarding school in the States than from a local school or international school in Hong Kong
作者: Chess 時間: 12-7-26 20:20
Thanks for you guys!
A phenomenon that more friends of mine sent their children to UK than to US. I hearsay that UK universities (including oxbridge) prefer overseas students to local because overseas students are paying a higher school fee. Thus it is easier to get into UK top tear universities than into ivy. Do you have any insight?
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-26 22:03
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I have reservation that Oxbridge would admit more overseas students than the local people because of the fees. As a matter of fact, they only admit about 10% of overseas students each year.
作者: CATHERINEAUNTIE 時間: 12-7-28 02:11
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作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-28 10:39
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Can you share what is the college and its annual tuition fee or its tuition plus boarding fees?
作者: CATHERINEAUNTIE 時間: 12-7-28 23:32
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作者: nabi 時間: 12-7-31 18:17
Thanks for sharing, Shootastar 
May I ask some advice on my case. My daughter has US passport, she will be a S3 student in Sept. She has been doing quite good in Hong Kong with participation in different extra curricular activities. I have been thinking whether she should stay to finish her secondary school and apply for university. We also consider to let her go after S4 (I know it should be better after S3) and go for a non-private high school. Which will give her a better opportunity to be accepted in an Ivy League school?
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-7-31 18:45
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Honestly, it is difficult to tell which way will give you a better chance to be admitted to an Ivy. Some parents quoted examples that it is easier if the kids study in a US high school. However, many elite local schools always report that they have students being admitted to Ivy.
No matter where your kids receive education, I think the most crucial factor is your academic performance amongst your cohort. If you are always top of the class in an elite school in Hong Kong or USA, you will have better chance. However, apart from academic performance, you need to show that you have leadership, passion on a particular activity or activities, persistent record of services. Of course you need good score of SAT I (2,200+) and 3 SAT II subjects test (760+) or ACT (33+).
If your daughter has such statistics, I feel she may have a reasonably good chance of being admitted because she is in the queue of domestic applicants.
If your daughter plans to study in a US high school, I feel the earlier is the better because it can help to buiild up the profile. Whether you believe or not, all Ivies or their equivalents know the Hong Kong education system very well. They can make the distinction of whether the applicant is in the top of his cohort.
作者: ivyscyip 時間: 12-8-1 11:43
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I believe that it is easier to go to a top school if you go to high school in the U.S. Both my husband and I went to MIT. I moved to the U.S. when I was 10, and attended a public school in Texas. My hubbie went to MIT straight from Hong Kong (#1 in Queen's College, and received 10As on HKCEE). From what we can see, each year, <10 students go to MIT straight from Hong Kong (inclusive of international students with foreign passports). This year, we know that there will only be 4. Yet, in my high school alone, we had 4 attending in my year. We will definitely move back to the states before our kids enter high school to increase the chance of attending a top school.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-1 12:20
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Thank you for your sharing.
My comment was made according to my observation on my S and D's matriculation lists. My point is that if you are holding an US passport or green card, you will be classified as domestic applicants and if you do not have such documents, you are a foreign applicants.
I think whether MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanley or other Ivies or equivalents would set a quota (although they said no) for the foreign students.When compared with my S and D's statistics with their classmates (i.e. SAT 2,200+ , 3 SAT (780+), GPA 3.9 from a competitive local international school, persistent commitments on services (about 300 hours throughout high school period), strong leadership posts (service team and sport captain) for 2 years, school sport team members for 3 years, NHS, excellent recommendations from counsellors plus 2 teachers, regrettably, they did not receive any offers. (Each of them submitted 3 applications to Ivies or equivalent). Whereas, their classmates of similar statistics were admitted by Ivies or their equivalents. I therefore have the conclusion that the difference is the type of their passports. Most (but not all) of them hold US passports. For thosee who do not have US passports, they were winner of competition of a national level.
I have a friend whose two Ds were admitted to MIT based on their local curriculum but they were born in the US.
If I know you earlier, I would consider sending my kids to the US boarding school.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-1 13:02
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ivyscyip
Can you share how many of the 4 admitted students this year from Hong Kong hold US passport or green card and how many hold the foreign passports?
In your high school, are those 4 admitted students US citizens and how many of them are foreigners?
As a matter of fact, I overhear that two of the Hong Kong students admitted to MIT this year are studying in one of the Ten Schools in the US and hold US passports. More than that, they have strong legacies. I should emphasize that I hear the same from grapevine. Please therefore correct me if I am wrong.
The class size of MIT is around 1,200 and each year MIT admits around 100 foreigners. If we divide the number of countries by 100, on average, less than one student would be admitted to MIT from each country. Your hubbie has 10As and he is the top 10 of his cohort in Hong Kong and it is truly a exceptionally high honor on national level. No doubt, he was admitted to MIT and became your classmate (?).
作者: bobbycheung 時間: 12-8-1 15:10
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Shootastar,
You said you think the most crucial factor is the kid's academic performance amongst his cohort. I also have this question. Let's say my kid is absolutely outstanding in his school eg getting a SAT score of 2,300 and so on (I am sorry to say that he's not and it's just an example), he stands way above everyone else in his class in Hong Kong. But if he goes to a top top boarding school in US, his academic result won't be as outstanding as compared with his cohort because there will be lots of classmates having results similar or even better than his. I guess Ivy Leagues won't accept too many people from the same school in the same year. In that case, will his chance of getting accepted into Ivy League be actually mproved by going to a top top US boarding school? Wouldn't he be better off by staying in HK and adopt the apprach of 寧為雞口 莫為牛後?
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-1 15:52
bobbycheung
It is a difficult question to answer. The views are diversified. Because each year we can learn that some local students (without US passport) are admitted to Ivies or equivalents. Personally I know some. One is of IB 45 (although his IB result is not yet known when he is made an offer) while the other is of 40 points of 6 best subjects of HKDSE (although his result of HKDSE is not yet known when he is made an offer). I mention this to show you the qualities of the students Ivies or equivalents would admit. These two guys do not have US passports.
I do not know whether they would perform as good as they are in Hong Kong if they study in elite US boarding schools. I have studied the matriculation list of TJ (the no,1 public school in US) two year ago. About 1/3 of its graduation class (size about 300) were admitted to Ivies or equivalents, still there are 200 students studied in other leading colleges.
Admission to Ivies and equivalents needs a game playing plan. There are a number of factors to be considered. I agree with your comments in Chinese. You will see the successful case of the hubbie of ivyscyip who was the top of the local cohort of his graduation year. If you are not the top top top, I tend to agree that it is easier to be admitted to an Ivy than in Hong Kong (assuming of the same comparable statistics).
作者: nabi 時間: 12-8-1 18:12
Thanks for sharing! There is so much to learn in preparation for her academic path. Sounds like it is an advantage holding US passport. The earliest time for my D to leave is after S4, so how may I try to shorter the gap? How may I try to better prepare her profile? I understand it is significant to have excellent academic performance, consistent services and special talent. My daughter is not a top top top student, she has some of everything in an esteem school. I wonder how well the US school would know the system of foreign students.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-8-1 18:41
Nabi
Every ivy or its equivalent says that its admission knows very well every education system in the world and if you think there is something which it may not know, you are welcome to share the same with it. I agree with this statement.
作者: nickmum 時間: 12-8-8 16:19
Thanks All. Your information and comments are very useful. I have attended seminars organized by agents and got an impression that other than very good academic results, which are must, it is very important to package the student in the application to the top universities in US in order to increase the chance for being admitted. Although the argument should be considered with a grain of salt, I believe that there is not a simple formular for how the top Us select students. It is logical that students having US passports should have the priority, as the Government should protect interests of their citizens. However, most schools should have a quota for foreign students. We should aim at getting a place within the set quota.
作者: Dedemom 時間: 12-8-27 15:54
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Dear Pigmama,
You said "中學和大學都在美國讀". 請問你覺得中一才到美國讀書會唔會比美國人歧視呢, 因為我都想送仔女去美國讀書, 但係又驚比人蝦? 可不可以講下你個經歷呢? 謝謝!
Dedemom
作者: ckh689 時間: 12-9-1 20:46
Shootastar 發表於 12-8-1 15:52 
Admission to Ivies and equivalents needs a game playing plan
Can you share your experience on how to play the game and how you plan for it? Many thanks,
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-3 15:01
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There is no fixed and fast rule. If you buy 2 to 3 books on US college admission, you will know how to play the game. The consultants always exaggerate that the admission is very complex and mischievous so you have to engage them to help you - payment of USD 10,000 to USD30,000
My personal view is what they can do for your kid can be done by yourself. Do not trust the education consultants unless you are a "water-fish". Just read the books you buy.
作者: nickmum 時間: 12-9-4 13:51
Shootastar 發表於 12-9-3 15:01
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There is no fixed and fast rule. If you buy 2 to 3 books on US college admission ...
Dear Shootastar,
I can't find any relevant books in the bookstore. Could you advise where can I find these books?
Nickmun
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-4 14:44
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Hi nickmum
You can search Amazon website, by entering the following words
"A is for Admissionn" in the search box.
Thereafter you will find a number of relevant books for admission.
You may click the following link as well.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_18?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=a+is+for+admission&sprefix=A+is+for+admission%2Caps%2C507
作者: nickmum 時間: 12-9-8 08:40 標題: 回覆：Shootastar 的帖子
Thanks Shootastar. I suppose there is no book on Hong Kong experience sharing. I mean sharing by a student in HK applying for US college.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-8 09:49
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nickmum, I have not found any book in Hong Kong and in web about a Hong Kong student sharing his experience of making application to Ivy colleges. However, for the past few years, I read from the Sing Tao (Education Corner) some of the successful stories of Hong Kong students who were admitted by Yale, Princeton etc.I do not know whether they have US passports or green cards. However, they all appeared to me that they were the top of cohort,
作者: acdad 時間: 12-9-8 17:46
Hi,
Does anyone know where I can get the IB and SAT scores information of those HK students accepted by US colleges ?
Thanks.
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-10 10:34
The US colleges gave the admission offer in December (early admission/decision application) and in March (regular application) so the admission is not based on the result of IB (the result of which is released in early July). So there is no score information relating to IB can be found.
Regarding SAT, nearly most of the colleges would publish their 25 to 75 quartile of the SAT scores (for the admitted students and in some cases for the applicants) in their websites. So just surf the webpages of your target colleges and find out the information you need.
作者: andykwan 時間: 12-9-11 16:09
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Dear Shootastar,
Do you think University like UC berkeley or UCLA is less competitive in admission compared to the top U you mentioned above?
My daughter is studying in a local gal school for primary and she is expected to get US green card after few years (application in process). My planning is to send her to bay area for middle/ high school once get the green card and aim for one of university under UC system for her undergraduate.
Can u advise any preparation in her stage now?
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-11 17:12
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The admission rate of UCLA and UC-Berkeley was reported to be less than 20% this year. The admission rate of Ivy colleges or equivalent is between 6% to ten odd % this year. By comparing this 2 sets of figures, it appears that the admission to UC is still "easier" than that of Ivies.
If your daughter enters into the UC system several years (probably in High School) later, you should not worry about the way to improve her chance of being admitted to UCLA or Berkeley. I think the school would prepare her well.
To be competitive, her GPA on a rigorous curriculum should be 3.8 or about on a 4.0 scale, SAT I: 2100+, 3 SAT II: 750 or above, 250 voluntary work hours during the high school period, 2 to 3 leadership posts. There is fixed and hard rule on how to secure an admission. However, if you are a Californian and you have reach a certain index (the rough statistics I mentioned, you would have a place in one of the 10 UC colleges).
作者: Julie_HongKong 時間: 12-9-13 22:17
So glad I found this post... We are a Chinese American family recently relocated to Hong Kong. My son's in kindergarten now and I'm debating whether to send him to an IB school or a school following the American system. There are many more options for the former, and I like the IB curriculum very much from what I know so far. My only question/concern is, whether going to an American system school would eventually give him better chance at getting in a top college in the US... Does anyone have any comments?
I know it's still early in the game, and I probably shouldn't worry about it until I've got some offers. But well, have to say that I've been overwhelmed by the competition in the HK school scene, from truly the very beginning. Would really appreciate if someone could share some insights.
作者: Scotman 時間: 12-9-19 11:38
what made you think the consultant knows better than you in the application progress ? probably you know more about it than these experts by reading more books!
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-19 11:42
The more you read, the more you know about the game of admission. The consultants have the figures, but you can download the same from any college you are interested. Why paid US$10,000 to US$30,000 to the consultants which you can do it yourself by spending HK$500 to HK$1,000 on the books and reading them.
作者: acdad 時間: 12-9-19 13:46
For those who plan to qualify for paying CA residency tuition rate, please read below. It contains info which may be useful to you.
http://ucop.edu/ogc/documents/student-information-sheet.pdf
http://www.ucop.edu/ogc/documents/ten-things.pdf
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, OFFICE OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL
10 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT CALIFORNIA RESIDENCE FOR PURPOSES OF TUITION AND FEES
1. Upon admittance to the University of California, your resident or nonresident classification is determined for purposes of tuition and fees only after you have completed and submitted a Statement of Legal Residence to the campus Residence Deputy.
2. If you are an undergraduate under the age of 24 and your parent(s) are not California residents, it is unlikely that you will be able to qualify as a California resident for purposes of tuition and fees.
3. The term “California resident for purposes of tuition and fees” comes from the University’s residence regulations and differs from other definitions of California residence. For example, a person who is a California resident for tax or voting purposes will not necessarily be a resident for purposes of tuition and fees. Admissions and Financial Aid definitions of resident also differ. They do not confer residence for purposes of tuition and fees.
4. You do not become a resident for purposes of tuition and fees simply by living in California for 366 days or more. The length of time you attend the University of California or live in California is not the sole determining factor of residency.
5. In order to establish residence in California for purposes of tuition and fees, you must have the legal ability to establish a permanent domicile in the United States, meaning that you must be a citizen or permanent resident of the United States or hold a valid, qualifying nonimmigrant visa.
6. The UC residence regulations require that you and your parent(s), if they claim California residency, prove: 1) At least 366 days of physical presence in California with 2) concurrent intent to permanently remain in the state. If you are an undergraduate under the age of 24 and are not dependent upon California-resident parent(s), 3) you must be able to confirm financial independence for two full years immediately preceding the term you wish to enroll.
7. To prove financial independence, you must be able to document that you have not been claimed as an income tax dependent by any individual for two tax years immediately preceding the term, and that you have been totally self-sufficient for two full years prior to the residence determination date, supporting yourself, for example, through jobs, financial aid, commercial/institutional loans in your name only, and savings from your earnings. You must be able to document that you have paid rent and all other expenses from your own earnings.
8. You normally cannot establish California residence for purposes of tuition and fees while maintaining legal ties to another state or country (e.g. state tax liability, driver’s license, voter’s or vehicle registration). Further, if you have moved to California primarily to attend the University of California, you are here for educational purposes and so are not eligible for a resident classification for purposes of tuition and fees.
9. It is your burden to prove, by clear and convincing evidence, that you have satisfied all applicable UC residence requirements. Financial hardship cannot be considered in evaluating whether you are able to qualify for California residence for purposes of tuition and fees.
10. This is only a summary of the four main UC regulations for California residence for purposes of tuition and fees. Please access the UC Residence Policy for details
作者: andykwan 時間: 12-9-20 14:43
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Thanks acdad. your info is useful. I think UC is more affordable to common family.
作者: acdad 時間: 12-9-21 11:37
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andykwan,
Here is an alternative path entering UC via the community college transfer. I have friends using that path sending their kids to the UC system recently, especially if you are not aiming for the Ivy Leagues, Berkerly and UCLA. Take a look and it may provide inputs altering your plan.
[url=wlmailhtml:{41E9F8D1-893B-446C-842A-89C8283CC6F6}mid://00000395/!x-usc:http://www.universityofcaliforni ... uarantee/index.html]http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/transfer/guarantee/index.html[/url]
作者: JadaYuen 時間: 12-9-24 07:12
Having relatives that have been admitted to Cal and UCLA in recent years, I think if anyone is interested in applying to the UCs these few days, just do it! The admission rate has gotten considerably higher because the UCs lack funding and are accepting more international applicants (because tuition fees are more expensive for them).
However, due to the fact that they need money, there has been an increase in tuition fees so i am not sure if UCs are cheaper.
Summing up the points you guys discussed above, I do think consultants help but at the end of the day, you or rather your kids have to do the hard work to ensure they end up in a decent college because it is getting increasingly competitive with more and more people applying. Here are some useful websites regarding US applications:
1. http://www.petersons.com/college ... n-universities.aspx
2. http://hkedu.wordpress.com/2012/ ... hong-kong-students/
3. http://www.internationalstudent. ... pplication-process/
Hope that helps!
Jada
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-24 10:47
本帖最後由 Shootastar 於 12-9-24 10:47 編輯
Consultants are helpful (at the costs of USD10,000 to 30,000) but you can find out the information from various websites (without costs) or from books (which cost you USD100 or a little bit more).
UCLA or Berkeley is not easy to be admitted although UC colleges need money. Each of them admits less than 200 international students each year. If you have statistics of GPA 3.7, SAT I (2,100+), 3 SAT II subjects (760+) and a brilliant list of leadership and service experience, just do it. If not, it is a matter of wasting time and money on UCLA or Berkeley, although it is easier to be admitted by the other 8 campuses.
作者: andykwan 時間: 12-9-24 17:31
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The "Smart Parents" of singtao daily stated the "quality boarding schools" in current issue. The school fee of those prestige high schools is really high... and i don't think common HK family can afford it...
Is it a big difference, in term of teaching quality and admission rate to "good university", between public school and private school system in US?
In San Francisco, public high school like Lowell do very good as well... is it difficult to get admitted?
作者: Shootastar 時間: 12-9-24 18:20
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"Is it a big difference, in term of teaching quality and admission rate to "good university", between public school and private school system in US?"
I have no kids who studied in US high schools so I have no direct experience to share. However, from the information I got from my friends, there are very good public and private high school in the US. For the big names of private school such as Exeter, Andover, Lawrenceville, Deerfield......, I think HK parents should be familiar with.
If you click the US News website on best high school, you can also find top 1 to 100 public high schools in different states. I believe that the odds of being admitted to "good university" are the same so long as your high school is a good one, no matter it is a public or private high school. My friend's kid studies at TJ High, the top in the US News ranking. Each year, about 50 - 60 graduates are admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, not to mention other big names such as MIT, Stanford, Columbia...... Again you click into the webpage of Andover or Exeter, you will find that about 30 to 40 graduates are admitted to Harvard, Yale and Princeton.
In San Francisco, public high school like Lowell do very good as well... is it difficult to get admitted?
Again I have no idea about the difficulty in getting into a famous public high. My feeling is unless you are an American, there is no way for foreign to be admitted to a public high. If you are interested in "Lowell" perhaps you can click its website and find out the statistics of admission,
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