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標題: 請問那間國際學校學生考IBDP中文，程度與LS較接近? [打印本頁]

作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-5-28 22:06 標題: 請問那間國際學校學生考IBDP中文，程度與LS較接近?

Anyone knows?

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-5-29 00:54

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What do you mean exactly?

作者: arielle.w 時間: 12-5-29 07:06

Chinese A Language and Literature should be more like local school Chinese level. Chinese A Literature may actually be a little bit more difficult than average local school Chinese level, unless the student has a very strong foundation and is good at Chinese (especially writing).

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-5-29 08:38

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IBDP also has syllabus B, which is much lower than LS's Chinese.
For Literature, I am not sure, but I would say like Chi Literature. As my son takes L&LS only, its a bit harder than local syllabus as the scope is wider and not the same as local.

作者: Chole 時間: 12-5-29 12:33

I heard there's a change in IB Chinese. Anybody has ideas?

作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-5-29 17:46

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請問邊間IS比較多學生可以考syllabus A？

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-5-29 17:48

Chole 發表於 12-5-29 12:33
I heard there's a change in IB Chinese. Anybody has ideas?

Same as English, Syllabus A with two streams - Literature, Literature and Language Studies and then HL and SL. No more A1 and A2.
Syllabus B, HL and SL.

作者: arielle.w 時間: 12-5-29 23:58

yes, the change is a general one for all IB language A course. So for Chinese, now they got Chinese Literature and Chinese Language & Literature to replace Chinese A1 and A2.

I think if more students at CIS, CDNIS or some more "local" IS take Chinese A.

And yes, Chinese B would be way too easy comparing to LS level.

P.S. I'm currently taking IB English Literature HL and self-taught Chinese Literature SL.

作者: Chole 時間: 12-5-30 11:50

ANChan59/arielle.w,

Thanks. I need to talk to the school to see what they will offer for Chinese.

作者: slamai 時間: 12-5-30 12:05

There is a distinction between 可以考Language A and choosing Language A. Some students 可以考Language A but choose Language B because (i) there is no need to choose Language A for their university applications, (ii) they don't care to get a bilingual diploma and (iii) they anticipate to get a higher score in Language B than in Language A which will enhance their chance in university admission. Some other students choose Chinese Language A because choosing English Language A will be more disastrous ...

Jane1983 發表於 12-5-29 17:46
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請問邊間IS比較多學生可以考syllabus A？

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-6-2 08:56

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你的意見合情合理。
但是你最後一段有些不明白，中文及英文選擇A或B是獨立考慮，無須因為英文選B，而中文要選A。我是否理解錯。

我都好留意不同學校的中英文AB的比率，及Bilinguial Diploma的%，有些學校平均分唔錯，但學生選修科目的組合亦有頗大差距。

作者: arielle.w 時間: 12-6-2 10:56

If I'm not mistaken, in the IB DP programme, you need to have at least one Language A. So if your child only speaks 2 languages, s/he has to choose one as a Language A, and for the other, s/he has the choice of taking it as Language A or B.

作者: slamai 時間: 12-6-2 22:44

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You got it! The combination of language choices is either AA or AB but not BB. The first language of the student is supposed to be chosen as Language A.

作者: cchristieee 時間: 12-6-3 23:48

at least one language A, either Lit or Lang. Lit.
for Chinese A Lang. Lit., students are going to learn literature appreciation skills in class anyways, which is the same set of skills as in Chinese A Lit. But in addition, Lang. Lit. students need to handle skills for two more areas like culture, media, etc.
A Lit. requirements are indeed higher than A Lang. Lit. in terms of literature appreciation. Yet, it should not be a big problem for most local school students with fine Chinese foundation.
Personally think that A Lit. is a better choice when compared with A Lang. Lit.

Chinese B is really quite intermediate in which usually those who have really poor Chinese foundation or are not local students take. If you are only caring about getting a firm grade 7 for Chinese, then take it. If you want to learn something out of the Chinese course, given that you have the ability, do try a Chinese A course.

作者: nintendo 時間: 12-6-4 09:16

本帖最後由 nintendo 於 12-6-4 09:17 編輯

部份學校對 language a 和 b 的選擇，都執得很緊
根據 ibo 的 policy，老實說，本地成長的孩子，如果自小學就學中文，是必須要讀 language a 的，不是說可以為一個 7 分，將自己降格讀 language b (要降，不如降為 ab initio，連 preparation 都唔洗)
另一方面，例如如果學生的確早已學過 modern language 如 french 或 spanish，亦不能隨自己選擇讀 ab initio
即使 esf 也有很多學生會讀 chinese a. 當然，個別學校/學生有自己的做法，這我不便批評

作者: nintendo 時間: 12-6-4 09:42

" 請問那間國際學校學生考IBDP中文，程度與LS較接近? "

答番樓主問題
如果係 IBDP 課程的 CHINESE A ，應該比 LS 中文深少少，因為即使係 LANG & LIT ，讀的文學都讀得深入很多
CHINESE B 就容易得多，我個人覺得可能最多只有初中水平

我想說的，是當家長選校時，不要單看學校的中文夠唔夠深
國際學校學生，有好多可以讀得上 CHINESE A，亦有好多早就放棄學中文，轉讀其實語文
要中文好，唔係話學校有中文堂就得，家長都要諗下，自己有冇能力和決心幫小朋友學好中文

作者: slamai 時間: 12-6-4 13:18

While my previous post might have oversimplified the case, I'd like add some comments below:

nintendo 發表於 12-6-4 09:16
部份學校對 language a 和 b 的選擇，都執得很緊 [Yes, mostly because of the language teachers]
根據 ibo 的 policy，老實說，本地成長的孩子，如果自小學就學中文，是必須要讀 language a 的，不是說可以為一個 7 分，將自己降格讀 language b (要降，不如降為 ab initio，連 preparation 都唔洗) [Yes and No. IBO has such a policy but not as strict as described. Take the example of ESF schools, they teach Chinese right from primary one but still many students are taking Chinese Language B for their IB DP. In fact, ESF teaches Chinese at different levels to suit individual students of various (language) backgrounds.]
另一方面，例如如果學生的確早已學過 modern language 如 french 或 spanish，亦不能隨自己選擇讀 ab initio
即使 esf 也有很多學生會讀 chinese a. 當然，個別學校/學生有自己的做法，這我不便批評

作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-6-4 23:04

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Nintendo:

我本來想幫個小朋友報ESF的KJS，打去了解吓，個Admission Offer告訴我佢地d中文好基本。去RC睇過，佢小、中學一條龍，中文學習較有連貫性，但聽朋友講話學術好似吳夠其他ESF學校好。

喜歡國際學校的理念，我們家庭亦幫到小朋友中文，但都希望學校比較重視。
但有吳想讀弘立（萬三元一個月，我有兩個，真係太貴），你有什麼建議？謝謝

作者: bloglo110 時間: 12-6-4 23:22 標題: 回覆：Jane1983 的帖子

我都覚得ISF太貴，KCIS呢？

作者: nintendo 時間: 12-6-5 17:54

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我先前的 MESSAGE 可能講得太精簡。
IBO 的 POLICY 很明顯：不能報讀不合自己水平的 LANGUAGE CLASS。
明明中文水平高，就要讀 CHINESE A，不應該讀 CHINESE B。
國際學校學生很多係讀 CHINESE B 係因為佢地一向當 CHINESE 係 SECOND LANGUAGE。ESF 很多學生真係講都未識講，佢地讀得上 CHINESE B，其實算叻。

我想講的，係不可以為了有高 D 分，而唔讀 CHINESE A ，改讀 CHINESE B。
我只係唔想有人誤會，以為可以將自己中文水平降落去 CHINESE B，可以有高 D 分。
一個負責任的 IB 老師，一定唔會批准學生咁做。
我知有國際學校曾經容許一 D 本地學校插班的學生，選 ENGLISH A + CHINESE B，結果成績有個怪現象，就係 ENGLISH A 只有 5 但 CHINESE B 有 7。
其實大學睇總分之餘，亦會睇學生選邊 D 科，比你走精面，讀 CHINESE B 拎多兩分，都唔代表大學會收你。
教仔女誠實選科，都係教育，影響深遠。
純個人意見。

作者: nintendo 時間: 12-6-5 17:57

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我仔女大晒，而家小學情形真係唔係好知。
我有朋友話 KJS 中文而家真係唔淺。
其實中文讀得好唔好，都要睇小朋友和家長有冇心讀；如果唔嗲唔吊，讀完六年小學可能都係學緊 "你好嗎"；但如果肯學肯努力，我覺得應該唔會太差。
選學校，要睇可多因素，錢肯定行先，再來先看地點，學制等。
香港地，幾好幾差的學校都有學生讀緊。
每個人狀況唔同，我建議你自己同家人商量。

作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-6-5 20:24

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KCIS個校園好舊，聽朋友講話佢中學規模細，資源吳夠，所以吳係好prefer。

作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-6-5 20:36

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Thanks Nintendo.

真係難唸，想小朋友embraces外國先進的values，但弄得不好，整個吳識中文，只係學外國開放濫交的連x x出來，真係吳知點算。
我係全職媽媽，對兩個仔女跟到實，但深知peer influence的影響！

作者: ChiChiPaPa 時間: 12-6-5 20:37

耀中和蘇浙都有超過八成學生取得雙語IB文憑。

作者: nintendo 時間: 12-6-6 00:26

Jane1983 發表於 12-6-5 20:36
Thanks Nintendo.

真係難唸，想小朋友embraces外國先進的values，但弄得不好，整個吳識中文，只係學外國開放濫交的連x x出來，真係吳知點算。
我係全職媽媽，對兩個仔女跟到實，但深知peer influence的影響！

大部份人對國際學校，都有批評學生的 (1) 中文 (2) 德育
不過我又唔覺得讀本地學校的學生個個都中文好
濫交？我認識的國際學校學生，個個都好乖
上報紙的問題學生，大部份都係 local 學生

其實國際學校好積極的教學生關於 drugs problems，sex education，甚至你講的 peer influence
我識幾個讀不同國際學校的學生，都話學校有用好多時間同學生討論呢 d issues
不過學校唔一定大鑼大鼓話比外人聽，外邊 d 人就以為國際學校冇理德育

話說回頭，外人的誤會，好多國際學校家長都唔 care 就真
講真，有時偏見就係偏見，解釋亦無謂
如果你真係有疑慮，咁就唔好選國際學校喇，無謂提心吊膽

作者: Jane1983 時間: 12-6-6 10:24

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都係，Local school都有壞學生，都有緩交，剩係講IS吳公平。我朋友的仔仔讀IS都十分純品。

見步行步啦，做人父母好難，出心出力，吳望回報，只係希望佢識appreciate父母的付出。

作者: slamai 時間: 12-6-24 02:14

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I don't know why it is necessary to mention 誠實選科 as it is irrelevant here given that, a
s far as I know, the language policy mentioned is not mandatory (re:
not publicised in the public domain for parents and students)
but only serves as guidance for school administration and teachers. The policy works well for Chinese students in China and English students in England who'll take Chinese A and English A respectively as their language choices. In Hong Kong, students' Chinese language ability is inferior to their counterparts in China and Taiwan while English is not their native first language even though it is used as the language for all other IB subjects. As such, there is a dilemma in choosing their language choices for IB DP. Yes, choosing Chinese B for a local Chinese student in Hong Kong may be 走精面 but it should be borne in mind that s/he is also taking the challenge of English A in competition with other native English students.

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我先前的 MESSAGE 可能講得太精簡。
IBO 的 POLICY 很明顯：不能報讀不合自己水平的 LANGUAGE CLASS。
明明中文水平高，就要讀 CHINESE A，不應該讀 CHINESE B。
國際學校學生很多係讀 CHINESE B 係因為佢地一向當 CHINESE 係 SECOND LANGUAGE。ESF 很多學生真係講都未識講，佢地讀得上 CHINESE B，其實算叻。

我想講的，係不可以為了有高 D 分，而唔讀 CHINESE A ，改讀 CHINESE B。
我只係唔想有人誤會，以為可以將自己中文水平降落去 CHINESE B，可以有高 D 分。
一個負責任的 IB 老師

，一定唔會批准學生咁做。
我知有國際學校曾經容許一 D 本地學校插班的學生，選 ENGLISH A + CHINESE B，結果成績有個怪現象，就係 ENGLISH A 只有 5 但 CHINESE B 有 7。
其實大學睇總分之餘，亦會睇學生選邊 D 科，比你走精面，讀 CHINESE B 拎多兩分，都唔代表大學會收你。
教仔女誠實選科，都係教育，影響深遠。
純個人意見。

作者: poonseelai 時間: 12-6-24 10:31

據我所知，中文A以文章分析為主，香港有水準的作者和報刊太少，大陸和台灣多但學生未必可投入文章內容，所以老師選材料亦不易。

作者: ANChan59 時間: 12-6-24 20:33

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Well said.
In previous posts, I also asked similar questions related to bilingual diploma and not just take note the total score, but also the combination of syllabus and electives.

作者: 112200 時間: 12-6-28 11:41

Hey , anyone have view in singapore international re the PTH ( chinese ) standard ?

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